Everything seen from a view-point other than the character (1st person) or another in-game character (2nd person) is 3rd person. Diablo just happens to be isometric 3rd person, as are SC and WC. The only exception I can think of to this (kinda) is Super Mario 64, where the cameraman is a defined character, even if he does nothing but hold the camera. It's still 3rd person.
Everything seen from a view-point other than the character (1st person) or another in-game character (2nd person) is 3rd person.
thats what i was getting at.
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No. 3rd person and top-down may seem like they are the same thing but they are very different in terms of gameplay. 3rd Person is not used as the typical meaning here.
And then there is 2nd person which people also call 3rd person. That's more like PoP and TR but I did not play those long enough to be sure.
Prince of Persia and Tomb Raider. I palyed neither of them so dunno.
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2nd person has, to my knowledge, yet to be used very well in more than a handful of games.
Second person is present in games where you may see your character looking at you ready to jump and stuff. It's just not presented directly because 2nd person cannot be used in FPS. 2nd person is for quests and slow jumping games.
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And strictly speaking, top-down is 3rd person.
A top down game cannot be third person because it has no fulcrum... LOL... While games like NWN are 3rd person because you can even use that Driving Camera Mode...
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Super Mario 64.
I think those are scrollers.
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EDIT: Does PoP mean Prince of Persia? Because that game is not 2nd person.
That's what it seemed to look like. A mix of 3rd and 2nd person. MGS also fits this category. How many times does your character slide against a wall with gun ready and you are pretty much seeing him at his front?
Heretic II is complete 3rd person because you'll never see your character's face. That's to point out the difference between PoP and a full-3rd person game.
1st person: See from your own characters viewpoint
2nd person: See from the viewpoint of another character in the game
3rd person: See from the viewpoint of something completely outside the game.
If you want WoW gameplay Bat-Wing, go play WoW. Blizzard now has an RTS (2?), MMO and an RPG. Let's leave it that way. All they need is a platformer and a shooter. They have Lost Vikings though.
If you want WoW gameplay Bat-Wing, go play WoW. Blizzard now has an RTS (2?), MMO and an RPG. Let's leave it that way. All they need is a platformer and a shooter. They have Lost Vikings though.
I dont think they are missing much due to Lich king and SC2.
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If you want WoW gameplay Bat-Wing, go play WoW. Blizzard now has an RTS (2?), MMO and an RPG. Let's leave it that way. All they need is a platformer and a shooter. They have Lost Vikings though.
Well, when i meant WoW gameplay..i meant the whole third person-ish, view type thing. And besides...a battle between Heaven and Hell interests me more than the everlasting battle of the Alliance and the Horde. And the Diablo classes are much more interesting.
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1st person: See from your own characters viewpoint
2nd person: See from the viewpoint of another character in the game
3rd person: See from the viewpoint of something completely outside the game.
What does that have to do with video games? They don't function by normal human roles.
I mean, you can say that almost every game is an RPG because you are playing a role of a character but we are not calling FPS RPG's...
So does FPS, TPS, hybrids, racing games, and more and more and more fit into RPG.
The problem is, having only those 3 viewpoints for games is NOT USEFUL. If you say that a game is 3rd person it will mean a TPS/quest/whatever. If you say top-down it means isometric RPG/isometric RTS. I mean if you just leave 3 viewpoints it's just going to be organization for the sake of it.
thats what i was getting at.
And then there is 2nd person which people also call 3rd person. That's more like PoP and TR but I did not play those long enough to be sure.
2nd person has, to my knowledge, yet to be used very well in more than a handful of games.
And strictly speaking, top-down is 3rd person. It's just a subdivision, like isometric or whatever you call it in Super Mario 64.
EDIT: Does PoP mean Prince of Persia? Because that game is not 2nd person.
Second person is present in games where you may see your character looking at you ready to jump and stuff. It's just not presented directly because 2nd person cannot be used in FPS. 2nd person is for quests and slow jumping games.
A top down game cannot be third person because it has no fulcrum... LOL... While games like NWN are 3rd person because you can even use that Driving Camera Mode...
I think those are scrollers.
That's what it seemed to look like. A mix of 3rd and 2nd person. MGS also fits this category. How many times does your character slide against a wall with gun ready and you are pretty much seeing him at his front?
Heretic II is complete 3rd person because you'll never see your character's face. That's to point out the difference between PoP and a full-3rd person game.
He's talking about the 3D platformer mario games. Not the tradtional ones, which are side scrolling.
those still arent like diablo, the camera rotates it isn't in a fixed position.
2nd person: See from the viewpoint of another character in the game
3rd person: See from the viewpoint of something completely outside the game.
Well, when i meant WoW gameplay..i meant the whole third person-ish, view type thing. And besides...a battle between Heaven and Hell interests me more than the everlasting battle of the Alliance and the Horde. And the Diablo classes are much more interesting.
We want Diablo style action. Diablo MMO? Ok, just make D3 first, then D4 immediatly after the MMO.
As for WoW viewpoint, how will we break our mice with hack-and-slash like that?
I mean, you can say that almost every game is an RPG because you are playing a role of a character but we are not calling FPS RPG's...
The problem is, having only those 3 viewpoints for games is NOT USEFUL. If you say that a game is 3rd person it will mean a TPS/quest/whatever. If you say top-down it means isometric RPG/isometric RTS. I mean if you just leave 3 viewpoints it's just going to be organization for the sake of it.
It's like canceling out 2.5D.
True...i completely forgot about the clicking for attack
Ok...then i change my mind. An oblivion mixed with diablo 2 would be great. (For gameplay)