You're supposed to use that BS to maintain equipment comparable for your level. Once you're in NM, you should also have significant gem upgrades which can make a world of difference as well for socketed weapons at that difficulty bracket.
Yep, that is theoretically correct. Of course, in practice, completely incorrect. You hit a wall in, say, Hell. What do you do?
1. Grind for hours/days/weeks to get better gear so that you can progress.
2. Spend a bunch of gold on the BS in hopes that one piece rolls well.
3. Go to the AH and spend 10k on an OP weapon. Proceed to annihilate everything in your path until you hit inferno.
#3 is the obvious choice, and #3 is what 99% of people will chose. So, in practice, that is the design, regardless of the developer's original intent. What you're "supposed to do" is irrelevant. Why would anyone waste time/gold when I have a sure-fire route to success via the AH?
I am in almost total agreement with you Big.
The BS provides ALL upgrades throughout hell difficulty. People see the option of using the AH, and they see better items on AH than they get via BS and they assume those are what they need. Hell difficulty can be played through completely off the BS. I have done it on most of my 60's while selling good drops for other classes on the AH.
Loot in this game is RNG. Eventually you will hit a soft cap on your gear where upgrades drop so rarely that they seem to never drop. Whether Bliz ups the quality of drops or not people will still bitch and complain about this. It is a lose lose situation. That being said, the item quality of drops in D2 were even shittier than in D3. How often in D2 did you get a rare drop? I mean seriously? 90% of the loot that dropped in D2 was blue. In my expansive time playing D2 I dropped more legendaries than useful rares. Every person I know or have played with will say the same thing in a heartbeat so long as they aren't wearing their rose tinted nostalgia glasses.
The only reason loot seems to be worse in D3 than in D2 is because D3's difficulty is infinitely higher than it was in D2. D2 was a game created for autistic blind monkeys when compared to D3. D3 having such a higher difficulty means that loot and gear actually matters. In D2 you could clear all of normal, nightmare, and a majority of hell "EASILY" while wearing the immortal Kings set. Immortal kings in D2 was a pre lvl 20 set. That speaks volumes about how terribly different D2 and D3 difficulty is.
Unfortunately some people are not intelligent enough to understand this and instead will make crybaby posts on unofficial forums.
Also, your comment about "supposed to do" hits the nail on the head. OP talks about "supposed to" or "should be able to" or whatever other nonsensical bullshit he has been spouting. Fact is that I did not receive a rulebook with the game telling me how I was supposed to do anything in the game. Retarded assumptions and ignorance IMO.
I'm discussing the same issue on battlenet with posters there too, I think (and I knew this before I posted it) the issue is I have to go to the fricken AH for my gear, which I think royally sucks because I haven't found it in the game. So that is really my gripe here, I should be able to find everything I need in game. I'm in the Fields of Misery and I have found only 1 thing, some chest armor which stats are only partly better than my old armor in normal mode.
I have no interest in the AH, I have no plan on visiting Sanctuary's version of Ebay. I should be able to find adequate gear in the game, like both earlier versions of Diablo did, that would solve the problem right there. If Jay is so hell bent on people using the AH he could have at least integrated the feature with the merchants inside the game, that way at least you don't feel like you are being herded into some cheesy tool.
ORIGINAL POST 08/24/12
You should watch the youtube video (showing patch 1.0.4) before reading my comments.
When Diablo 1 launched in 98, I bought it and loved it. The game was entertaining; game-play scaled well keeping it interesting as I descended further down into the dungeon.
When Diablo 2 launched I bought that too, as before the game was entertaining and scaled well between each act and as you progressed from normal to nightmare. Hell mode was more than I cared for and I never bothered playing hardcore mode. I was happy with the normal and nightmare mode for a long time.
Diablo 3 launches, I play normal mode with all 5 characters first pass and I love it! Then I move onto nightmare mode, I quickly realize it’s a little tougher than nightmare mode in Diablo 2 but it’s still fun and think I’ll grow to like it. After taking out Leoric and moving onto the fields of misery it becomes apparent that the mini-bosses have crossed the line from challenging to just fricken ridiculous.
As you can see in the video I defeat them without dying, but instead of charging ahead with some challenge I have to fall back again and again to while firing on them. I don’t find this kind of game-play very fun at all, I’m supposed to be the !@# kicking hero of sanctuary; instead I’m the struggling hero who defeats my enemies by laughably beating them to death with my fly swatter while running for my life. It’s obvious my weapons and attacks do way too little damage.
Before anyone tells me I need to go to the auction house to buy better swag, or to build my character a special way, or play in a group setting understand I didn’t really need to do that in Diablo or Diablo 2. I don’t think I should have to go to the auction house to get good bling; I should be able to find that in the game like I always could before. I don’t think I should have to become character build expert to defeat nightmare mode, which was the original appeal to Diablo over other RPG games. I have a job and a lot of responsibilities, I don’t have time to obsess over my character build.
I love Diablo 3 normal mode. 10 years of anticipation and $320.00 buying a copy for me and each of my family, I kind of feel like I got robbed, it’s very disappointing.
Instead of charing in with some challenge....ur a demon hunter. What do you expect .....
To be facetanking all mobs and still be a ranged class. As ranged you have to keep the distance between you and you will have to kite.
If you want to charge in take monk or barb....dont whine that a game is not fun when you expect to go melee with a ranged class.
You think standing in one place 24/7 as a dh and shooting stuff is more fun than having to actually think a bit where to move?
You're supposed to use that BS to maintain equipment comparable for your level. Once you're in NM, you should also have significant gem upgrades which can make a world of difference as well for socketed weapons at that difficulty bracket.
Yep, that is theoretically correct. Of course, in practice, completely incorrect. You hit a wall in, say, Hell. What do you do?
1. Grind for hours/days/weeks to get better gear so that you can progress.
2. Spend a bunch of gold on the BS in hopes that one piece rolls well.
3. Go to the AH and spend 10k on an OP weapon. Proceed to annihilate everything in your path until you hit inferno.
#3 is the obvious choice, and #3 is what 99% of people will chose. So, in practice, that is the design, regardless of the developer's original intent. What you're "supposed to do" is irrelevant. Why would anyone waste time/gold when I have a sure-fire route to success via the AH?
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+1, agreed. I actually was neglecting the BS now that I think about it. I jumped on my low level monk and the BS gives nice upgrades early in the game.
You're supposed to use that BS to maintain equipment comparable for your level. Once you're in NM, you should also have significant gem upgrades which can make a world of difference as well for socketed weapons at that difficulty bracket.
Yep, that is theoretically correct. Of course, in practice, completely incorrect. You hit a wall in, say, Hell. What do you do?
1. Grind for hours/days/weeks to get better gear so that you can progress.
2. Spend a bunch of gold on the BS in hopes that one piece rolls well.
3. Go to the AH and spend 10k on an OP weapon. Proceed to annihilate everything in your path until you hit inferno.
#3 is the obvious choice, and #3 is what 99% of people will chose. So, in practice, that is the design, regardless of the developer's original intent. What you're "supposed to do" is irrelevant. Why would anyone waste time/gold when I have a sure-fire route to success via the AH?
Although you're technically correct, it's worth pointing out that #3 isn't an addition Blizzard tacked on for D3, it's a replacement for D2's "3rd option" of hitting the trade channels and/or item-selling sites.
Although I have no qualms about using the AH myself, I definitely agree that the AH's problem isn't its existance per se, it's just that it's so much more efficient than any other path... but the solution isn't "No AH", it's (IMHO) "better crafting".
Having said all that, in the context of the Normal->NM transition, crafting works fine... a fact that I'd completely forgotten, as I only used it for my first character... I guess that highlights the problem very nicely.
...and to those who think it's just a crybaby post, good for you for being able to enjoy bogus crap.
There are only 4 possibilities here.
a. You have found far better gear than I have in normal mode
b. You had it crafted
c. You didn't mind going to the auction house to buy what you couldn't find or craft
d. Or you enjoy hitting the same elite monster 100 times before it falls
Vendor. They sell some +4-8 damage rings/amulets all the time. Those get boosted by your dex, so you can up your damage quite a bit with them. Also, if you don't want to kite so much, rapid fire with the slow rune seems to work quite well for gunning down single enemies.
In case you didn't know, crafting is part of the normal, single-player game. So you should use it too. And vendors. They're very good up until the last acts of Hell.
...and to those who think it's just a crybaby post, good for you for being able to enjoy bogus crap.
There are only 4 possibilities here.
a. You have found far better gear than I have in normal mode
b. You had it crafted
c. You didn't mind going to the auction house to buy what you couldn't find or craft
d. Or you enjoy hitting the same elite monster 100 times before it falls
There are many bad design choices in Diablo III, but most of the things you complain about can be fixed with giving just little thought to your gameplay, without using external resources or the AH. Stop denying your fault in the grand equation, and accept that you could have done better.
So you forgot possibility e:
"e. You don't suck at the game as I do."
Sorry OP, but as long as game designers feel forced to balance for everyone, you're one of the reasons why we can't have nice things.
Sorry but none. Never did a quest/zone twice while leveling and even skipped all the side dungeons. Followed main quest and did a few events i found on the way. Never crafted anything from the blacksmith and my gear was not good either. Many pieces had only 1 useful stat. As mentioned in my earlier post, 1st time visited AH in a3 hell for one reason - i was rushing it, i wanted to finish it faster cause i like to hit max level fast in every game i play. Well for the option D. fine i wasnt one shotting everything, but wheres the fun in that? I remember having problems on Izual (hell) where i died about 10 times cause he was killing me in 2 hits. He was my biggest trouble during all leveling, followed by Belial (hell).
Diablo is just not your type of game. You don't get anywhere by level-rushing. It's a gear grind. Deal with it.
I did the exact opposite of what you did and combed every single area and dungeon I could find to get as many blue and gold items as I could. I would then either use them or salvage them for blacksmithing. And I checked the vendors every single time for if something good showed up. End result? I blasted through Nightmare and Hell with ease. Not even elite packs were that much of a problem.
...and to those who think it's just a crybaby post, good for you for being able to enjoy bogus crap.
There are only 4 possibilities here.
a. You have found far better gear than I have in normal mode
b. You had it crafted
c. You didn't mind going to the auction house to buy what you couldn't find or craft
d. Or you enjoy hitting the same elite monster 100 times before it falls
A: "far better gear" is just perspective. Getting through normal and nightmare is nothing more than a matter of facerolling your keyboard. Even most of hell is fairly easy. As to getting far better gear, when so low in difficulty the range of stuff you can drop for yourself is so large that it is almost impossible to not drop your own upgrades fairly reliably. Did you clear everything or just power through quests? This is a Diablo game and it awards fully clearing every single area, not powering through the quests. If you fully cleared each area there is no way in hell you would be having a gear problem.
B: "you had it crafted"..... Are you kidding me kid? They put the blacksmith in the game IN ORDER FOR YOU TO USE HIM TO GET GEAR. Not so you could stare at him. Not using the Blacksmith is the same as not using the other vendors. Simply stupid.
C: "AH" Again, it is part of the fucking game. I am not sure what is so hard to understand about this. Are you really so pigheaded as to think they added the AH for no reason at all? Give me a break. Please, at least attempt to "think" before you continue posting.
D: HAHAHAHAHA. I have never had an issue killing elites until I hit Inferno. On any of my characters, even my tanky tank monk. You are playing a DH and you are complaining about hitting a NM elite a hundred times to kill it? Okay, this isn't even a matter of gear because you can walk up to the vendors and BUY a bow that will carry you through NM. This is a matter of you simply not utilizing the right gearing strategy or the right skills. This is not a game problem, this is a "you" problem.
Ya know, after reading all your drivel I have to say you are either one hugely successful troll of epic proportions. I mean you should be in the troll hall of fame or something. Either that or you really are just a terrible gamer that has absolutely no clue wtf he is doing. In the time you have spent spouting all the crybaby QQ in this thread you could have done something productive, like reading the DH forums looking for hints and tips so you can actually learn to play your class. But you would rather cry. GG.
f. You weren't using your hatred properly. I said it in the last post, but I will drive the point home. Use something that actually hurts a lot, like impale or rapid fire.
f. You weren't using your hatred properly. I said it in the last post, but I will drive the point home. Use something that actually hurts a lot, like impale or rapid fire.
I have, impale works better than most, rapid fire for the best gear I have found started to Nerf in normal mode once I got to heaven. I have tried a number of combinations. What has been lost in all these posts is most commenting here don't realize is I don't really have time to know everything about D3. I play for an hour or two before doing some type of work.
Again for me, and I'll put my points in bold so maybe others will see it before they post.
It's not that I can't get through the game, I can, and have done so without dying.
The problem is the weapons I have found or crafted do Nerf gun like damage in Nightmare mode
Both above points have made the game simply not enjoyable for me to play
I seriously don't have time to sit and read or watch videos on how to build my character
Why I am I bitching about it? Because I know as much about D2 as I do D3 and yet getting through nightmare in D2 by just playing and finding swag worked just fine again, and again.
So far, I've played 3 characters to level 60, and have a level 41 HC no-AH one as well, and my experience just doesn't match yours at all. For each character, I was still using crafted gear and drops at that stage but the transition from Normal to Nightmare was so smooth it was almost underwhelming. Even the elites just didn't feel that threatening, as two affixes doesn't give much room for RNG screwovers.
Some of your characters either need a trip to the BS or the AH, but I honestly can't see how you could be having as bad a time as you say. It honestly feels like you're either trolling, doing something horribly wrong, or just don't like the game and have picked this particular issue to hang that dislike on.
f. You weren't using your hatred properly. I said it in the last post, but I will drive the point home. Use something that actually hurts a lot, like impale or rapid fire.
I have, impale works better than most, rapid fire for the best gear I have found started to Nerf in normal mode once I got to heaven. I have tried a number of combinations. What has been lost in all these posts is most commenting here don't realize is I don't really have time to know everything about D3. I play for an hour or two before doing some type of work.
No you weren't. Your hatred bar is full 80% of the time in your video. Mine is usually 1/2 empty. Anyways, I went and have a look at your profile. You can switch that 1 handed xbow to a 2 bow/xbow for more damage. You can still use the quiver with it, by the way. You can also switch all your defensive passives to ones that gives more damage, seeing how you have no problem surviving.
It's not that I can't get through the game, I can, and have done so without dying.
The problem is the weapons I have found or crafted do Nerf gun like damage in Nightmare mode
Both above points have made the game simply not enjoyable for me to play
I seriously don't have time to sit and read or watch videos on how to build my character
You are the prototypical pessimist. You spend more time complaining about your problems than doing anything to fix them. That is why you're not having fun. The only reason you are not having fun is because of YOU. If you channeled half of the time you spent posting about how awful life is into reading about your class, or even trying to farm some mats to have another shot at crafting a weapon you'd probably not be anywhere near as disappointed with the game as you currently are.
...I don't really have time to know everything about D3. I play for an hour or two before doing some type of work.
And of those two hours, not a single minute can be spared to do any kind of research into how to better one's self to enjoy a game more than they currently are.
*airplane noises* That's the spoon flying in to feed you.
-Edit- but plenty of time can be spent on the forums bringing constant rebuttal to those who have offered plenty of legitimate suggestions into how to fix your "problem".
You may have been able to play through the entirety of Diablo 1 & 2 with just what you found HOWEVER you typically had to run multiple times to get drops and to level up some. It was not a simple run through the game start to finish with no overlap and not have any trouble. Especially for hell mode. This is the exact same as it is in Diablo 3, and you don't have to do many runs to be well enough geared out.
I'm also convinced that a lot of people are remembering Diablo 1 & 2 from the time when they'd been playing for years and had mules with piles of equipment to make it easy for any new character and where they basically had a solid understanding of all aspects from hundred+ hours of play.
Alright, then. This thread has run its course, it's not going anywhere else.
So, Vegas, you've gotten pretty much every possible idea to improve your experience with Diablo 3, from using the AH (which is a tool we had in D2 as well, sometimes we would even get gear for free by checking the chat), you can use the blacksmith to greatly improve your "drop ratios" (essentially getting "free" drops), and you can also improve both your skill build synergy and execution skills, which some have argued to be lacking (probably by Inferno standards, though).
In the end, though, it's your call to use them or not.
I hope you do, because the harder difficulties (and specially Inferno Acts 2-4) are a lot more intense than Nightmare. The feeling of being on your toes saving that last use of Smokescreen because you already blew Preparation and the champion could at any moment Vortex you into a dozen freezing blasts and arcane rays is simply awesome
I'll close this thread now. If you want to discuss anything else in particular (instead of the generic nature of this one), feel free to create a new one.
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I am in almost total agreement with you Big.
The BS provides ALL upgrades throughout hell difficulty. People see the option of using the AH, and they see better items on AH than they get via BS and they assume those are what they need. Hell difficulty can be played through completely off the BS. I have done it on most of my 60's while selling good drops for other classes on the AH.
Loot in this game is RNG. Eventually you will hit a soft cap on your gear where upgrades drop so rarely that they seem to never drop. Whether Bliz ups the quality of drops or not people will still bitch and complain about this. It is a lose lose situation. That being said, the item quality of drops in D2 were even shittier than in D3. How often in D2 did you get a rare drop? I mean seriously? 90% of the loot that dropped in D2 was blue. In my expansive time playing D2 I dropped more legendaries than useful rares. Every person I know or have played with will say the same thing in a heartbeat so long as they aren't wearing their rose tinted nostalgia glasses.
The only reason loot seems to be worse in D3 than in D2 is because D3's difficulty is infinitely higher than it was in D2. D2 was a game created for autistic blind monkeys when compared to D3. D3 having such a higher difficulty means that loot and gear actually matters. In D2 you could clear all of normal, nightmare, and a majority of hell "EASILY" while wearing the immortal Kings set. Immortal kings in D2 was a pre lvl 20 set. That speaks volumes about how terribly different D2 and D3 difficulty is.
Unfortunately some people are not intelligent enough to understand this and instead will make crybaby posts on unofficial forums.
Also, your comment about "supposed to do" hits the nail on the head. OP talks about "supposed to" or "should be able to" or whatever other nonsensical bullshit he has been spouting. Fact is that I did not receive a rulebook with the game telling me how I was supposed to do anything in the game. Retarded assumptions and ignorance IMO.
Instead of charing in with some challenge....ur a demon hunter. What do you expect .....
To be facetanking all mobs and still be a ranged class. As ranged you have to keep the distance between you and you will have to kite.
If you want to charge in take monk or barb....dont whine that a game is not fun when you expect to go melee with a ranged class.
You think standing in one place 24/7 as a dh and shooting stuff is more fun than having to actually think a bit where to move?
+1, agreed. I actually was neglecting the BS now that I think about it. I jumped on my low level monk and the BS gives nice upgrades early in the game.
Although you're technically correct, it's worth pointing out that #3 isn't an addition Blizzard tacked on for D3, it's a replacement for D2's "3rd option" of hitting the trade channels and/or item-selling sites.
Although I have no qualms about using the AH myself, I definitely agree that the AH's problem isn't its existance per se, it's just that it's so much more efficient than any other path... but the solution isn't "No AH", it's (IMHO) "better crafting".
Having said all that, in the context of the Normal->NM transition, crafting works fine... a fact that I'd completely forgotten, as I only used it for my first character... I guess that highlights the problem very nicely.
...and to those who think it's just a crybaby post, good for you for being able to enjoy bogus crap.
There are only 4 possibilities here.
a. You have found far better gear than I have in normal mode
b. You had it crafted
c. You didn't mind going to the auction house to buy what you couldn't find or craft
d. Or you enjoy hitting the same elite monster 100 times before it falls
Vendor. They sell some +4-8 damage rings/amulets all the time. Those get boosted by your dex, so you can up your damage quite a bit with them. Also, if you don't want to kite so much, rapid fire with the slow rune seems to work quite well for gunning down single enemies.
There are many bad design choices in Diablo III, but most of the things you complain about can be fixed with giving just little thought to your gameplay, without using external resources or the AH. Stop denying your fault in the grand equation, and accept that you could have done better.
So you forgot possibility e:
"e. You don't suck at the game as I do."
Sorry OP, but as long as game designers feel forced to balance for everyone, you're one of the reasons why we can't have nice things.
I did the exact opposite of what you did and combed every single area and dungeon I could find to get as many blue and gold items as I could. I would then either use them or salvage them for blacksmithing. And I checked the vendors every single time for if something good showed up. End result? I blasted through Nightmare and Hell with ease. Not even elite packs were that much of a problem.
This is just how you play this game.
A: "far better gear" is just perspective. Getting through normal and nightmare is nothing more than a matter of facerolling your keyboard. Even most of hell is fairly easy. As to getting far better gear, when so low in difficulty the range of stuff you can drop for yourself is so large that it is almost impossible to not drop your own upgrades fairly reliably. Did you clear everything or just power through quests? This is a Diablo game and it awards fully clearing every single area, not powering through the quests. If you fully cleared each area there is no way in hell you would be having a gear problem.
B: "you had it crafted"..... Are you kidding me kid? They put the blacksmith in the game IN ORDER FOR YOU TO USE HIM TO GET GEAR. Not so you could stare at him. Not using the Blacksmith is the same as not using the other vendors. Simply stupid.
C: "AH" Again, it is part of the fucking game. I am not sure what is so hard to understand about this. Are you really so pigheaded as to think they added the AH for no reason at all? Give me a break. Please, at least attempt to "think" before you continue posting.
D: HAHAHAHAHA. I have never had an issue killing elites until I hit Inferno. On any of my characters, even my tanky tank monk. You are playing a DH and you are complaining about hitting a NM elite a hundred times to kill it? Okay, this isn't even a matter of gear because you can walk up to the vendors and BUY a bow that will carry you through NM. This is a matter of you simply not utilizing the right gearing strategy or the right skills. This is not a game problem, this is a "you" problem.
Ya know, after reading all your drivel I have to say you are either one hugely successful troll of epic proportions. I mean you should be in the troll hall of fame or something. Either that or you really are just a terrible gamer that has absolutely no clue wtf he is doing. In the time you have spent spouting all the crybaby QQ in this thread you could have done something productive, like reading the DH forums looking for hints and tips so you can actually learn to play your class. But you would rather cry. GG.
f. You weren't using your hatred properly. I said it in the last post, but I will drive the point home. Use something that actually hurts a lot, like impale or rapid fire.
Again for me, and I'll put my points in bold so maybe others will see it before they post.
So for me sadly D3 is close to being over.
Some of your characters either need a trip to the BS or the AH, but I honestly can't see how you could be having as bad a time as you say. It honestly feels like you're either trolling, doing something horribly wrong, or just don't like the game and have picked this particular issue to hang that dislike on.
You are the prototypical pessimist. You spend more time complaining about your problems than doing anything to fix them. That is why you're not having fun. The only reason you are not having fun is because of YOU. If you channeled half of the time you spent posting about how awful life is into reading about your class, or even trying to farm some mats to have another shot at crafting a weapon you'd probably not be anywhere near as disappointed with the game as you currently are.
And of those two hours, not a single minute can be spared to do any kind of research into how to better one's self to enjoy a game more than they currently are.
*airplane noises* That's the spoon flying in to feed you.
-Edit- but plenty of time can be spent on the forums bringing constant rebuttal to those who have offered plenty of legitimate suggestions into how to fix your "problem".
HERP DERP
Did I not tell you to think before you post? Like seriously.
If you knew as much about D3 as you claim to know about D2 you would never have felt a need to make this QQ rant thread FFS.
I'm also convinced that a lot of people are remembering Diablo 1 & 2 from the time when they'd been playing for years and had mules with piles of equipment to make it easy for any new character and where they basically had a solid understanding of all aspects from hundred+ hours of play.
So, Vegas, you've gotten pretty much every possible idea to improve your experience with Diablo 3, from using the AH (which is a tool we had in D2 as well, sometimes we would even get gear for free by checking the chat), you can use the blacksmith to greatly improve your "drop ratios" (essentially getting "free" drops), and you can also improve both your skill build synergy and execution skills, which some have argued to be lacking (probably by Inferno standards, though).
In the end, though, it's your call to use them or not.
I hope you do, because the harder difficulties (and specially Inferno Acts 2-4) are a lot more intense than Nightmare. The feeling of being on your toes saving that last use of Smokescreen because you already blew Preparation and the champion could at any moment Vortex you into a dozen freezing blasts and arcane rays is simply awesome
I'll close this thread now. If you want to discuss anything else in particular (instead of the generic nature of this one), feel free to create a new one.