Things you could do in Diablo 2 (Post 1.10 patch) :
-Endless Andy Nm runs for SoJ's
- Endless Meph hell runs to get regular uniques.
-Endless Pindle Runs to get the best uniques.
-Baal runs for xp/ball kill for best uniques
These are all basically the same thing. Running a boss over and over for loot. You can do that with D3 too, funnily enough. Except You need NV stacks to get the boss to drop loot that is worth anything. We need to embed more posts into this one quote, it's going to be legendary. Also, i dont see how the need to kill some trash before the boss is actually an issue...
-Cow Runs for runes and moo's - Whimyshire is the same thing. Uhhhh its not the same at all??? There are no runes or cows?No offense, but that has to be the dumbest counter-argument ever.
-Act 1 Pit
-Act 1 Countess for runes
-Act 2 Sewers
-Act 3 Lower Kurast chest runs
-Act 3 Kurast council for runes/loot
-Unique clearing in act V
Again, you're just listing stuff that you can do in D3. You've got 4 acts to clear for loot in D3 as well. Those runs were specificaly done for the runes and chests. What's with your obsession with runes? It's just an item like gems that drops and you dont see us do runs and say "Those runs were specifically done to get flawless square gems and tomes of secrets"
-Nihlathak runes
-Uber runs
-Search for Diablo clone
I've read about the ubers and admittedly, D3 does not have this. But neither did D2 at launch, so. You obviously didn't play d2 if you had to "read" about it.You obviously didn't play D3 if you had to "complain" about it...wait, that doesn't make any sense. Then again, yours didn't either so we're even.
-Break every single chest in a tc 87+ area. - You can do this in D3... But you will get NOTHING for breaking that stuff in D3I don't remember getting anything from chests in D2 either, They were mostly crap or had 150 gold, which back then was even more worthless than now.
-PvP in any part of the world in a 8 player game - PvP is coming in patch 1.1. Should have been there @launchIt should but it got delayed boohoo sad story. At least they warned you 3 months before releasing the game about it...
-Play with ridiculous and fun builds (Infinity sorc come to mind) - You can do this in D3, provided you don't go into Inferno (as D2 only went up to Hell as well: if D2 had Inferno, trust me, you wouldn't have all these 'wacky builds' floating around) In D2 Hell was Inferno. But once you were lvl 70-80 you were advanced enough with your character to pown stuff. @ lvl 60 in D2 you couldn't do a wacky build. Also blizzard were the ones saying they wanted 28,000 viable builds in their game. If it's not viable in inferno its not viable......That's what he's saying, in D3, Hell is hard, but when you get to 60 you are advanced enough to pown stuff. If D2 had a Level 99 Only difficulty, things might not have been viable for long, which wouldve sucked considering you wouldve needed to re-level to 99 before you could try again.
-Collect low level sets for alts (Sigon <3) - there are low level sets in D3 too, go ahead and collect those... I agree here, I see no problem with this but you gata have an alt, and my main hasn't even beat'n the game yet so no alt yet, aka not colecting alt junk.Low Level Sets Patterns for the blacksmith drops from Inferno only.
-Have fun having tons and tons of uniques (They where mostly useless if you where looking for the perfect one...but....hell..they dropped like hot candy). - there are tons of uniques in D3 too, and you don't even seem concerned with their quality, so you can go ahead and collect them in D3 as well GO ahead and collect them off the AH for 10x what they are worth??
-Gamble for uniques/uber yellows - blacksmithing is the same system NO..... No it is not, not even close...... You should go play D2 and so you can apear to know what you are talking about.You're right its not even close. Gambling SUCKED compared to crafting, It's like you're a glutton for punishment or something.
-Gamble with horadric cube for charms
-CHARMS...CHARMS...OMG WHERE ARE THE CHARMS !
-Finding white socketed items for runewords (And finding the perfect ones)
-Socket and name your items
Not in D3, but this doesn't sound all that important to me, so whatever. So if something isn't important to you it doesn't matter?? How bout them polar ice capps??? Charms, horadric cube, and runeswords were awsome!!!!Weren't awesome enough to be in the new installment.
-Do meaningful, rewarding quest ( Ania's resistance quest come to mind...) - there's a bunch of sidequests in D3, and the story is better in D3, in that it actually exists. The story in D3 could be transplanted over the top of D2 and you wouldn't know the diffrence. 3 of the 4 acts in D3 came from D2. Instead of having you go to Hell for the last act(D2) in D3 you go to heaven.
-If you wanted too....clear the whole game within the same game - which you can do in D3... You dont know what the OP means, and neither do I...
-Low level uniques where used, you could farm for them in Nightmare... - again, can do this in D3. I used a unique/legendary on my low level Demon Hunter for about 10 levels.
Wow you found one of those? Or you bought it off the AH???I found at least 3 low-level legendaries while leveling alts, and they used them for a few levels. I never bought things off the AH unless its 60.
If you're going to bash D3, at least don't appear so hopelessly one-sided and biased.
If your going to try and bash on what a person think's or say's, at least KNOW what they are TALKING about...... /FAIL You're* /FAIL.
If your going to try and bash on what a person think's or say's, at least KNOW what they are TALKING about...... /FAIL
NV stacks to get bosses to drop anything worthwhile: bosses without NV has the same chance to drop stuff as D2 bosses did. So NV is just a bonus, nothing more. You can get rares without NV. Besides, not like it's difficult to get
Whimsyshire vs cow level: they're both secret levels that you farm for loot. The type of mob is irrelevant: if you're seriously upset that it's ponies instead of cows, then there's nothing that anyone can say to console you. As for the runes... It's a type of loot to farm, at its basic level. You farm loot in the cow level, farm loot in Whimsyshire. That's it.
Running specific places for specific loot: we don't know yet if there's specific places for specific loot in D3, if there is any at all. Even if there aren't, that just means you have choice. You don't have to farm that one boss you hate: you can do the bits you love instead. Or mix it up. You have choice, not rigid rules.
I didn't play D2: oh noes, my dark sekrit. I'm still allowed to have an opinion, and I am quite knowledgeable about D3 by this point (at least as much as anyone else who has played it a lot over the past month). I'm comparing the things the OP mentioned to actual things in D3, because if that's all the evidence he's going to provide, then it's all anyone can logically use.
PvP should've been in at launch: yeah, probably. But it wasn't, so what's the point in crying about it now? It's coming ASAP, end of story.
D2 Hell = D3 Inferno: if you're able to severely overgear D2's Hell, as you state, then no, it's nowhere close to D3's Inferno. With lesser difficulty means more viable builds: if content is more difficult, then fewer builds will be able to defeat it. D2 Hell = D3 Hell. Inferno is something else entirely.
Can only collect alt gear on alts: nothing stopping you changing difficulties and going back on your main to farm that stuff.
Collecting uniques/legendaries on the AH: so the same way you could buy items from dodgy third party sites or trade for them in D2? Blizzard have implemented a convenient method of getting loot. You don't have to use it: you can farm for everything yourself. Takes longer, but isn't that what you want? More content/time spent?
Blacksmithing/gambling comparisons: again, you're saying they're different just for the sake of saying they're different. Let's break it down.
In D2, you went to that NPC, bought an item from him, identified it, maybe got something cool.
In D3, you go to the blacksmith, craft an item, maybe get something cool.
Both cost gold, both have an element of randomness. Basically the same thing. You can look at two rocks and say they're entirely different things: doesn't change the fact that they're both rocks.
Stuff I said wasn't important: tell me why they're awesome. Did they honestly add meaningful depth to the gameplay, or were they just unnecessary complexities?
For the rest you haven't actually disagreed with me, so meh.
If you're going to bash D3, at least don't appear so hopelessly one-sided and biased.
Thank you, I was just about to post nearly the same thing until I read your post. These posts are so biased, and if you identify the list one by one, it is easily countered by D3 having the same content other than pvp (coming), ubers, charms, etc. Most of this didn't exist at launch, but biased man children are biased. +1 for Kisho and Chaoslux. -1 for akmrgreen for telling people they don't know what they are talking about while not knowing what he is talking about.
He's not bashing the game or blizz. Do us all a favor and L2read....
Hes obviously bashing one of them. He either thinks the game is crap compared to d2 which is bashing d3 or he thinks blizzard couldve done a better job which is bashing blizz. Maybe even both at the same time.
Any company should have done better than this. If tomorrow they release Baldur's Gate III would you spect it to be a Dragon Age 2 clone ? (For putting an example of a good franchise vs a utter terrible game).
There's no excuse for what they did. You just can't release a game w/o the -good- features it predecesor had. You now...it reminds me of EA milking the hell out of "The Sims" customers over and over again with the "Same" expansions for Sims 2 - Sims 3 instead of releasing a baseline sims 3 with all sims 2 features and trying to have some imagination for expansions....
The sad thing is that 90% of The Sims customers are just farmville users with no clue about gaming at all. I really DON'T like being told what to do in a game nor being fooled by "We want you to have fun".
God damn....this thread de-railed and it wasn't my intention, it wasn't my intention to try and prove my point with my subjetive view...well....I will edit the thread so i can make it more "Diablo 3" friendly. Let's just try to keep it civil k ?
First, yay for first post after months of lurking.
Second - I also loved d2 like crazy! but there's somthing we all need to remember: d2 before LoD was very different... I dont know if all of you guys know this, but in classic d2 those sigon's you were talking about were The best items you could get on your max level (95 by the way) char...
I'm also sometimes disapointed with things in d3, but to this point - every patch was a significant improvmant and I hope they'll keep it up!
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NV stacks to get bosses to drop anything worthwhile: bosses without NV has the same chance to drop stuff as D2 bosses did. So NV is just a bonus, nothing more. You can get rares without NV. Besides, not like it's difficult to get
Whimsyshire vs cow level: they're both secret levels that you farm for loot. The type of mob is irrelevant: if you're seriously upset that it's ponies instead of cows, then there's nothing that anyone can say to console you. As for the runes... It's a type of loot to farm, at its basic level. You farm loot in the cow level, farm loot in Whimsyshire. That's it.
Running specific places for specific loot: we don't know yet if there's specific places for specific loot in D3, if there is any at all. Even if there aren't, that just means you have choice. You don't have to farm that one boss you hate: you can do the bits you love instead. Or mix it up. You have choice, not rigid rules.
I didn't play D2: oh noes, my dark sekrit. I'm still allowed to have an opinion, and I am quite knowledgeable about D3 by this point (at least as much as anyone else who has played it a lot over the past month). I'm comparing the things the OP mentioned to actual things in D3, because if that's all the evidence he's going to provide, then it's all anyone can logically use.
PvP should've been in at launch: yeah, probably. But it wasn't, so what's the point in crying about it now? It's coming ASAP, end of story.
D2 Hell = D3 Inferno: if you're able to severely overgear D2's Hell, as you state, then no, it's nowhere close to D3's Inferno. With lesser difficulty means more viable builds: if content is more difficult, then fewer builds will be able to defeat it. D2 Hell = D3 Hell. Inferno is something else entirely.
Can only collect alt gear on alts: nothing stopping you changing difficulties and going back on your main to farm that stuff.
Collecting uniques/legendaries on the AH: so the same way you could buy items from dodgy third party sites or trade for them in D2? Blizzard have implemented a convenient method of getting loot. You don't have to use it: you can farm for everything yourself. Takes longer, but isn't that what you want? More content/time spent?
Blacksmithing/gambling comparisons: again, you're saying they're different just for the sake of saying they're different. Let's break it down.
In D2, you went to that NPC, bought an item from him, identified it, maybe got something cool.
In D3, you go to the blacksmith, craft an item, maybe get something cool.
Both cost gold, both have an element of randomness. Basically the same thing. You can look at two rocks and say they're entirely different things: doesn't change the fact that they're both rocks.
Stuff I said wasn't important: tell me why they're awesome. Did they honestly add meaningful depth to the gameplay, or were they just unnecessary complexities?
For the rest you haven't actually disagreed with me, so meh.
Thank you, I was just about to post nearly the same thing until I read your post. These posts are so biased, and if you identify the list one by one, it is easily countered by D3 having the same content other than pvp (coming), ubers, charms, etc. Most of this didn't exist at launch, but biased man children are biased. +1 for Kisho and Chaoslux. -1 for akmrgreen for telling people they don't know what they are talking about while not knowing what he is talking about.
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Any company should have done better than this. If tomorrow they release Baldur's Gate III would you spect it to be a Dragon Age 2 clone ? (For putting an example of a good franchise vs a utter terrible game).
There's no excuse for what they did. You just can't release a game w/o the -good- features it predecesor had. You now...it reminds me of EA milking the hell out of "The Sims" customers over and over again with the "Same" expansions for Sims 2 - Sims 3 instead of releasing a baseline sims 3 with all sims 2 features and trying to have some imagination for expansions....
The sad thing is that 90% of The Sims customers are just farmville users with no clue about gaming at all. I really DON'T like being told what to do in a game nor being fooled by "We want you to have fun".
God damn....this thread de-railed and it wasn't my intention, it wasn't my intention to try and prove my point with my subjetive view...well....I will edit the thread so i can make it more "Diablo 3" friendly. Let's just try to keep it civil k ?
First, yay for first post after months of lurking.
Second - I also loved d2 like crazy! but there's somthing we all need to remember: d2 before LoD was very different... I dont know if all of you guys know this, but in classic d2 those sigon's you were talking about were The best items you could get on your max level (95 by the way) char...
I'm also sometimes disapointed with things in d3, but to this point - every patch was a significant improvmant and I hope they'll keep it up!