but with a very open mind. Perhaps so open that one may think I don't believe in God or a god which will make me either an Atheist or an Agnostic.
Atheist means no belief in any god. There is no god you could believe in and still be Atheist.
Agnostic means you don't believe anything can be known. You can be a Christian Agnostic or an Atheist Agnostic. There are very few religions that force you to be a Gnostic follower. (Most, in fact, perfer that you are Agnostic. :/ )
I'll sway more in the directions of an Agnostic if I have to choose. I for one believe in Evolution; I may not have any knowledge in this field but my logic dictates that Evolution is the only way man came to be where it is today. I'm a science man. Facts trumps beliefs (for me that is). If there's good evidence that evolution exists or that the earth is >6000 years old I'll believe it regardless of what the Bible says.
Evolution has nothing to do with religion or lack thereof. Hell, the Vatican finally admitted that Evolution "might, possibly, kinda be true. If you squint your eyes a little bit." And the Vatican is, as we know, a Catholic church/city thing where the guy with the funny had is at.
I didn't have Biology in school so I have no clue whether they were taught about Evolution or Creationism (I'll actually have to ask some of my friends some time). Also, here in South Africa we're not big on the Evolution/Creationism arguing.
I was going to comment on Edwards v Aguillard, but that's an American case, not a South African case. So never mind. Lol.
Anyway I don't know how or what they teach in American schools, but I'll have to think it's kind of a big thing USA (I've numerously seen news about the Evolution/Creationism in schools dilemma; that which I can remember). You'll never be able to satisfy both parties when it comes to an topic like this. There will ALWAYS be a problem/angry mob of old Christian pensioners. How are this handled in American schools? (Not rethorical).
It's super illegal and unconstitutional to teach creationism in schools. But courts in America tend to turn the other way, because jeebus wants all the little boys and girls. (Sorry, I'm an asshole. )
But as the others said, I don't mind what people believe in or not believe in.
At the risk of sounding geekish (Fat chance considering we are all geeks here at DFans, amirte? :D), I'd like to quote Sheldon from Big Bang Theory: "I cry because other people are stupid and that makes me sad."
I don't mind teaching the consideration that an amorphic intelligence is possibly behind all of creation which could be defined as God. Creationism however is specifically an ultra conservative Christian attempt to inject specifically Christianity into the classroom. Really just bizarre stuff, and I know some really nice people who are friends who completely believe the earth is 6000 years old
They will tell you carbon dating is inaccurate (although they can't say exactly how it is) and believe all of the recent discoveries of early homosapiens dating 160,000 and now even 400,000 years ago are hoaxes or flat out wrong. They believe dinosaurs and man peacefully coexisted in the garden of Eden before Eve egged Adam into getting some forbidden knowledge. If you question them what carnivores did with there claws and teeth during that period the conversation become more ridiculous, like oh they picked fruit and ate grass.
Again I like these people, but I really do have to concentrate just to keep a straight face when they begin to talk about the origins of the universe.
That's one thing about narrow minded religious people (mostly Christians). They will stick with their beliefs or what the Bible says even when they are presented with contradicting facts. This can be good though, because they are faithful in whatever their believes are. But it can also be bad, not being prone to accept new ideas in general (not just religious).
It's funny. Christians (Generalizing here, get over it) say that Atheists refuse to accept any new data. A lot of us were celebrating because it was looking like we might of been wrong about the Higgs Boson. We celebrated anyway because we were right. (Less of a celebration because we reaffirmed what we knew instead of learning something completely new, but a celebration none-the-less.)
LOL! Yeah I'm at that moment in life where I don't know what to believe anymore. And I blame the internet. With free speech anyone can write a convincing argument for the existence of God/a god or against it and people will believe the most recent one (not really, but through personal experience my mind has swayed to both ends of that argument.)
Do what I did. Study the Bible. Read it. Learn it. Study the Quran. Read it. Learn it. Study the TaNaKh. Read it. Learn it. Study Science. Read everything. Learn everything.
Only when you have learned can you make an informed decision. (But don't trust pastors. They will lie. I took a passage to my pastor when I was religious and he told me it was a typo... (Apparently six bibles have the same typo...)
Anything should be scared of a big teethy mouth. Sometimes I wonder how the humans survived long enough to evolve (hehe) into what we are now.
Well, the Biologists can explain it better then I can, but basically we existed long enough to evolve by screwing anything that moves. Rabbits learned from us.
LOL! Yeah I'm at that moment in life where I don't know what to believe anymore. And I blame the internet. With free speech anyone can write a convincing argument for the existence of God/a god or against it and people will believe the most recent one (not really, but through personal experience my mind has swayed to both ends of that argument.)
I've yet to hear a convincing argument for the existence of a divine being that did not hinge on simply denying empirical facts or accepting "on faith," the idea one simple does exist in spite of there being no need.
The fairy tale gods of every major religion can be easily dismissed by reason. A completely nebulous god-in-name-only, which presents almost none of the qualities traditionally ascribed to divine beings, is within the realm of possibility, but such a thing would mean religion is pointless.
If the internet facilitates a majority of the world's population coming to this realization then it may truly be the greatest invention of all time.
LOL! Yeah I'm at that moment in life where I don't know what to believe anymore. And I blame the internet. With free speech anyone can write a convincing argument for the existence of God/a god or against it and people will believe the most recent one (not really, but through personal experience my mind has swayed to both ends of that argument.)
I've yet to hear a convincing argument for the existence of a divine being that did not hinge on simply denying empirical facts or accepting "on faith," the idea one simple does exist in spite of there being no need.
The fairy tale gods of every major religion can be easily dismissed by reason. A completely nebulous god-in-name-only, which presents almost none of the qualities traditionally ascribed to divine beings, is within the realm of possibility, but such a thing would mean religion is pointless.
If the internet facilitates a majority of the world's population coming to this realization then it may truly be the greatest invention of all time.
It may very well be possible that there may of been a "first cause" god (or goddess). We really don't have a tangible idea as to what caused the Big Bang or why the four fundamental forces split up. (With the discovery of the Higgs Boson, we may figure it out soon enough, though.) That being said, the idea of a personal god that loves you and wants to save you from a hell he created is laughable at best.
But, while I am still an Atheist and will be until proof surfaces proving otherwise, I do accept that the Deists at least have a claim.
And yet, I still agree that Theistic beliefs are laughable at best. >.>
And so it was on Page 667 of URT The great prophet Vegasrage pleaded with the one and only lord of page 667. Vegasrage let out a shuddering roar that was heard in the surrounding villages as "Daemaro". Vegas rage pleaded for his lord to show him a sign. A sign of his acknowlegement. A sign of his Omnipresence
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And it was Done. And Lo! Vegasrage held the first scripture, hand drawn by the Lord Daemaro. The Lord Daemaro upon a triceratops.
You should read this article. This discovery could mean that everything we thought we knew about the birth of planets is wrong. It's quite interesting! No evidence though, so still takes hundreds of thousands or millions of years for planets to form.
That's one thing about narrow minded religious people (mostly Christians). They will stick with their beliefs or what the Bible says even when they are presented with contradicting facts. This can be good though, because they are faithful in whatever their believes are. But it can also be bad, not being prone to accept new ideas in general (not just religious).
I hope you weren't offended, my antics wasn't directed at Christian's per say but rather Christians who believe 100% of the the Bible is literal truth. Reading your post you seem to share that sentiment as well. My father is a non denominational Christian who leans far into the evangelical, believer of miracles, won't discount speaking in tongues kind of a Christian. I've had more than the average childhood bible thumping inculcation in my life by him.
After many years of consideration and thought I have come to believe the bible is part history, part mythology. If you were to ask me do I think we need Christianity I would answer yes so long as it does not infringe on others beliefs. Many people need that structure and hope, without it we would have a lot more hopeless and rudderless people.
I read that story, while I acknowledge some of the scientific community trade jabs with the religious as to our origins. I would argue science merely asks one question, what has occurred. Then science through all its tools and mathematics attempts to figure out what occurred. What I like about science is its theories, they are just that, theories. When new evidence presents itself, science humbly revises its theories to accommodate the new findings. It is capable of admitting it's wrong.
Having grown up in a devoutly Christian family I could not help but notice Christianity always asserts its infallible accuracy. The bible is truth and therefore always right and does not ever consider it is wrong. To do that would be to say God is somehow wrong. To me such a postulate is concerning. Where the bible loses me, is it fails terribly at providing cogent explanations which satisfy my comprehension.
"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
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-Winged
So Umpa, as you can see you came back just in time for more religious talk! Yaaaay.
Damnit guys this was supposed to be about Jesus doing awesome things like riding a harley over a pit of sharks with a bandolier, super ripped abs, an american flag bandana, some sunglasses, smoking a cigar and firing off two assault rifles into the air while an eagle soars majestically in the background, not serious talk about how laughable religion is.
I met a blind and mentally challenged boy and his mother on the bus a couple of days ago. He was 6 or 7 years old. We introduced ourselves to each other and he asked me questions like "what's my favourite music" (he tended to repeat the same question more than once). He couldn't see anything so the noises on the bus startled him, but his mother would explain what the noises were.
I gave him a few high fives after showing him where my hand was. It was an amazing experience to meet such a special child and I hope that he has a good life. Pretty much made my day. He was a very sweet kid and his mother was quite nice as well.
Thought I'd share. You may now continue with the religious discussion!
Edit: I like where this discussion went. I have a major soft spot for dinosaurs.
So Umpa, as you can see you came back just in time for more religious talk! Yaaaay.
Damnit guys this was supposed to be about Jesus doing awesome things like riding a harley over a pit of sharks with a bandolier, super ripped abs, an american flag bandana, some sunglasses, smoking a cigar and firing off two assault rifles into the air while an eagle soars majestically in the background, not serious talk about how laughable religion is.
Now see, I now have two choices. I can either tackle this reply in a serious tone, stating that it's laughable that people think this dark-skinned anti-governmental Middle Eastern Jew would be pro-America and even wear an American Flag Bandana...
Or I can tackle this reply in a silly tone and point out that it wasn't Jesus that jumped the pit of sharks, it was Penn Jillette, and that it's okay for the confusion because they both got long hair.
Decisions, decisions...
Then there's the last part, where I could tackle how laughable religion is by pointing out silly things in the Bible. Or I could tackle that by poking fun at other religions like Scientology for being so fucking funny...
I met a blind and mentally challenged boy and his mother on the bus a couple of days ago. He was 6 or 7 years old. We introduced ourselves to each other and he asked me questions like "what's my favourite music" (he tended to repeat the same question more than once). He couldn't see anything so the noises on the bus startled him, but his mother would explain what the noises were.
I gave him a few high fives after showing him where my hand was. It was an amazing experience to meet such a special child and I hope that he has a good life. Pretty much made my day. He was a very sweet kid and his mother was quite nice as well.
Thought I'd share. You may now continue with the religious discussion!
I work with handicapped people, and in my line of work, I can pretty much say that the kid most likely is going to have a shitty life, and many people will avoid him. People are cruel and heartless like that. Hell, many will try to take advantage of him because of his disabilities.
America and Americans fucking suck in that regard.
So Umpa, as you can see you came back just in time for more religious talk! Yaaaay.
Damnit guys this was supposed to be about Jesus doing awesome things like riding a harley over a pit of sharks with a bandolier, super ripped abs, an american flag bandana, some sunglasses, smoking a cigar and firing off two assault rifles into the air while an eagle soars majestically in the background, not serious talk about how laughable religion is.
but with a very open mind. Perhaps so open that one may think I don't believe in God or a god which will make me either an Atheist or an Agnostic.
Atheist means no belief in any god. There is no god you could believe in and still be Atheist.
Agnostic means you don't believe anything can be known. You can be a Christian Agnostic or an Atheist Agnostic. There are very few religions that force you to be a Gnostic follower. (Most, in fact, perfer that you are Agnostic. :/ )
I just had to point that out. o.o
Yeah that was my bad, I do know the difference, just didn't add the "Perhaps so open that one may think I don't believe in God or a godwhich will make me an Atheist or since we can't prove or disprove his existence (I'm a factious person [as stated below]), an Agnostic, "
I'll sway more in the directions of an Agnostic if I have to choose. I for one believe in Evolution; I may not have any knowledge in this field but my logic dictates that Evolution is the only way man came to be where it is today. I'm a science man. Facts trumps beliefs (for me that is). If there's good evidence that evolution exists or that the earth is >6000 years old I'll believe it regardless of what the Bible says.
Evolution has nothing to do with religion or lack thereof. Hell, the Vatican finally admitted that Evolution "might, possibly, kinda be true. If you squint your eyes a little bit." And the Vatican is, as we know, a Catholic church/city thing where the guy with the funny had is at.
Well I wouldn't say nothing. Creationism is based on the belief that a Divine being created everything, thus eliminating Evolution as possible for the most hardcore Christians/Catholics whom will stand with their faith regardless. But there are also many
Christians/Catholics, I believe, which do believe in Evolution rather than Creationism.
That's one thing about narrow minded religious people (mostly Christians). They will stick with their beliefs or what the Bible says even when they are presented with contradicting facts. This can be good though, because they are faithful in whatever their believes are. But it can also be bad, not being prone to accept new ideas in general (not just religious).
It's funny. Christians (Generalizing here, get over it) say that Atheists refuse to accept any new data. A lot of us were celebrating because it was looking like we might of been wrong about the Higgs Boson. We celebrated anyway because we were right. (Less of a celebration because we reaffirmed what we knew instead of learning something completely new, but a celebration none-the-less.)
Data that might prove God exist? Or data that is pro-Christianity?
"We have discovered the God particle."
Stoopid religious people 1: "Take that Atheists!"
Stoopid religious people 2: "Christians 1 - Atheists 0."
Stoopid religious people 3: "Where is your god now Atheists?!" (Made this one up, but I'm sure someone quoted something similar)
LOL! Yeah I'm at that moment in life where I don't know what to believe anymore. And I blame the internet. With free speech anyone can write a convincing argument for the existence of God/a god or against it and people will believe the most recent one (not really, but through personal experience my mind has swayed to both ends of that argument.)
I've yet to hear a convincing argument for the existence of a divine being that did not hinge on simply denying empirical facts or accepting "on faith," the idea one simple does exist in spite of there being no need.
The fairy tale gods of every major religion can be easily dismissed by reason. A completely nebulous god-in-name-only, which presents almost none of the qualities traditionally ascribed to divine beings, is within the realm of possibility, but such a thing would mean religion is pointless.
If the internet facilitates a majority of the world's population coming to this realization then it may truly be the greatest invention of all time.
You may say I'm easily convinced...also internet IS the greatest invention of all time. :Thumbs Up:
I hope you weren't offended, my antics wasn't directed at Christian's per say but rather Christians who believe 100% of the the Bible is literal truth. Reading your post you seem to share that sentiment as well. My father is a non denominational Christian who leans far into the evangelical, believer of miracles, won't discount speaking in tongues kind of a Christian. I've had more than the average childhood bible thumping inculcation in my life by him.
No not at all! As you said I share your sentiments about narrow-minded religious people. And I thought that article was quite interesting, yet ironic to our discussion.
After many years of consideration and thought I have come to believe the bible is part history, part mythology. If you were to ask me do I think we need Christianity I would answer yes so long as it does not infringe on others beliefs. Many people need that structure and hope, without it we would have a lot more hopeless and rudderless people.
Yeah have to agree with you. The thing about the Bible is that it's a book that's (thousands of years old?) and contains parts of the Hebrew Bible and maybe of other religious texts. The original "Bible" or parts thereof was most likely changed/altered through time, or passages were added/removed the first time the conglomerate Bible were made.
I don't know the history of religion, so this might be common knowledge (I'll use Christianity as the "religion"): I'll say that religion were invented some time ago by some dude that probably knew life had no meaning at that point of time, that you just lived your life and eventually died off. But with religion, you had a reason to live and a reason to die; to spend eternity with your god after you die. Who wouldn't want to live an eternity with the one you think created everything?!
Having grown up in a devoutly Christian family I could not help but notice Christianity always asserts its infallible accuracy. The bible is truth and therefore always right and does not ever consider it is wrong. To do that would be to say God is somehow wrong. To me such a postulate is concerning. Where the bible loses me, is it fails terribly at providing cogent explanations which satisfy my comprehension.
It's like the miracles that occurred in the Bible. I do not believe in miracles; it doesn't mean if you recover from an incurable disease overnight without any medical explanation, that it's a miracle. There can always be an medical explanation for something that happened, BUT just because the doctors haven't been aware of or had no knowledge about it, doesn't mean it's a miracle.
Jesus healing dying people of incurable diseases, turning stuff into wine and bread, being dead for 3 days and awakening after that (most of these are probably figurative meanings but still). I don't believe these kind of miracles because I can't comprehend it (like you said), since it doesn't happen in our world.
Any religion that needs to create hundreds of different sects (cough Christianity) that aligns to their views or preferences holds no meaning or value to me for guidance. I might as well make my own religion so I can then feel happy with the decisions of in my life.
Back to the original point, teach both view points and let kids question and decide or them selves. They would at least have a chance to question something rather than be spoon fed one opinion.
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Back to the original point, teach both view points and let kids question and decide or them selves. They would at least have a chance to question something rather than be spoon fed one opinion.
The problem with teaching both "opinions," (I assume we're talking about creationism vs. evolution in biology exclusively) is that only one of them is an unfounded opinion. The myth of creationism is an ignorant opinion while the theory of evolution is as close to an empirical fact as you will find in science. Decades of research have substantiated the claims of evolutionary theory. There is no such data to lend credence to creationist arguments.
I think people labor under the oft-repeated myth that science simply spouts new highly-contested theories left and right, throwing all of them into highschool textbooks as they please. In reality, only substantiated theory makes it into grade school classrooms.
In other words, there is simply no foundation to the "teach the controversy," agenda. Outside of rote evangelical drama and the inability to accept the world as it is, there is no controversy at all.
The problem with teaching both "opinions," (I assume we're talking about creationism vs. evolution in biology exclusively) is that only one of them is an unfounded opinion. The myth of creationism is an ignorant opinion while the theory of evolution is as close to an empirical fact as you will find in science. Decades of research have substantiated the claims of evolutionary theory. There is no such data to lend credence to creationist arguments.
I think people labor under the oft-repeated myth that science simply spouts new highly-contested theories left and right, throwing all of them into highschool textbooks as they please. In reality, only substantiated theory makes it into grade school classrooms.
In other words, there is simply no foundation to the "teach the controversy," agenda. Outside of rote evangelical drama and the inability to accept the world as it is, there is no controversy at all.
I know that it would be obvious which choice kids would make, but i think it would beneficial to show each side of the story (no matter how silly one could be). It's like how the internet or some documentary's now work "rawr these points are dumb because of x so my points are awesome." Science for the most part is hard to disprove but everything we know isn't truly correct either, I just find value in not accepting everything your told... then again I guess that would go against the foundation of schools huh
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I know that it would be obvious which choice kids would make, but i think it would beneficial to show each side of the story (no matter how silly one could be). It's like how the internet or some documentary's now work "rawr these points are dumb because of x so my points are awesome." Science for the most part is hard to disprove but everything we know isn't truly correct either, I just find value in not accepting everything your told... then again I guess that would go against the foundation of schools huh
Yeah, it makes about as much sense as teaching the theory that the moon is made of cheese. I'm sure you could find just as much to substantiate that claim as for creationism.
I laughed my ass off at that. I'll have to try that with my kid when I get around to spawning another little bit of evil into the world.
I am so sorry.
Atheist means no belief in any god. There is no god you could believe in and still be Atheist.
Agnostic means you don't believe anything can be known. You can be a Christian Agnostic or an Atheist Agnostic. There are very few religions that force you to be a Gnostic follower. (Most, in fact, perfer that you are Agnostic. :/ )
I just had to point that out. o.o
Evolution has nothing to do with religion or lack thereof. Hell, the Vatican finally admitted that Evolution "might, possibly, kinda be true. If you squint your eyes a little bit." And the Vatican is, as we know, a Catholic church/city thing where the guy with the funny had is at.
I was going to comment on Edwards v Aguillard, but that's an American case, not a South African case. So never mind. Lol.
It's super illegal and unconstitutional to teach creationism in schools. But courts in America tend to turn the other way, because jeebus wants all the little boys and girls. (Sorry, I'm an asshole. )
At the risk of sounding geekish (Fat chance considering we are all geeks here at DFans, amirte? :D), I'd like to quote Sheldon from Big Bang Theory: "I cry because other people are stupid and that makes me sad."
QFT
It's funny. Christians (Generalizing here, get over it) say that Atheists refuse to accept any new data. A lot of us were celebrating because it was looking like we might of been wrong about the Higgs Boson. We celebrated anyway because we were right. (Less of a celebration because we reaffirmed what we knew instead of learning something completely new, but a celebration none-the-less.)
Do what I did. Study the Bible. Read it. Learn it. Study the Quran. Read it. Learn it. Study the TaNaKh. Read it. Learn it. Study Science. Read everything. Learn everything.
Only when you have learned can you make an informed decision. (But don't trust pastors. They will lie. I took a passage to my pastor when I was religious and he told me it was a typo... (Apparently six bibles have the same typo...)
Well, the Biologists can explain it better then I can, but basically we existed long enough to evolve by screwing anything that moves. Rabbits learned from us.
I've yet to hear a convincing argument for the existence of a divine being that did not hinge on simply denying empirical facts or accepting "on faith," the idea one simple does exist in spite of there being no need.
The fairy tale gods of every major religion can be easily dismissed by reason. A completely nebulous god-in-name-only, which presents almost none of the qualities traditionally ascribed to divine beings, is within the realm of possibility, but such a thing would mean religion is pointless.
If the internet facilitates a majority of the world's population coming to this realization then it may truly be the greatest invention of all time.
It may very well be possible that there may of been a "first cause" god (or goddess). We really don't have a tangible idea as to what caused the Big Bang or why the four fundamental forces split up. (With the discovery of the Higgs Boson, we may figure it out soon enough, though.) That being said, the idea of a personal god that loves you and wants to save you from a hell he created is laughable at best.
But, while I am still an Atheist and will be until proof surfaces proving otherwise, I do accept that the Deists at least have a claim.
And yet, I still agree that Theistic beliefs are laughable at best. >.>
I hope you weren't offended, my antics wasn't directed at Christian's per say but rather Christians who believe 100% of the the Bible is literal truth. Reading your post you seem to share that sentiment as well. My father is a non denominational Christian who leans far into the evangelical, believer of miracles, won't discount speaking in tongues kind of a Christian. I've had more than the average childhood bible thumping inculcation in my life by him.
After many years of consideration and thought I have come to believe the bible is part history, part mythology. If you were to ask me do I think we need Christianity I would answer yes so long as it does not infringe on others beliefs. Many people need that structure and hope, without it we would have a lot more hopeless and rudderless people.
I read that story, while I acknowledge some of the scientific community trade jabs with the religious as to our origins. I would argue science merely asks one question, what has occurred. Then science through all its tools and mathematics attempts to figure out what occurred. What I like about science is its theories, they are just that, theories. When new evidence presents itself, science humbly revises its theories to accommodate the new findings. It is capable of admitting it's wrong.
Having grown up in a devoutly Christian family I could not help but notice Christianity always asserts its infallible accuracy. The bible is truth and therefore always right and does not ever consider it is wrong. To do that would be to say God is somehow wrong. To me such a postulate is concerning. Where the bible loses me, is it fails terribly at providing cogent explanations which satisfy my comprehension.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Damnit guys this was supposed to be about Jesus doing awesome things like riding a harley over a pit of sharks with a bandolier, super ripped abs, an american flag bandana, some sunglasses, smoking a cigar and firing off two assault rifles into the air while an eagle soars majestically in the background, not serious talk about how laughable religion is.
I gave him a few high fives after showing him where my hand was. It was an amazing experience to meet such a special child and I hope that he has a good life. Pretty much made my day. He was a very sweet kid and his mother was quite nice as well.
Thought I'd share. You may now continue with the religious discussion!
Edit: I like where this discussion went. I have a major soft spot for dinosaurs.
Now see, I now have two choices. I can either tackle this reply in a serious tone, stating that it's laughable that people think this dark-skinned anti-governmental Middle Eastern Jew would be pro-America and even wear an American Flag Bandana...
Or I can tackle this reply in a silly tone and point out that it wasn't Jesus that jumped the pit of sharks, it was Penn Jillette, and that it's okay for the confusion because they both got long hair.
Decisions, decisions...
Then there's the last part, where I could tackle how laughable religion is by pointing out silly things in the Bible. Or I could tackle that by poking fun at other religions like Scientology for being so fucking funny...
Goddamn, so much good potential!
Edit:
I work with handicapped people, and in my line of work, I can pretty much say that the kid most likely is going to have a shitty life, and many people will avoid him. People are cruel and heartless like that. Hell, many will try to take advantage of him because of his disabilities.
America and Americans fucking suck in that regard.
Yeah, I'm pretty much done with this place. I have a lot of reasons why and they all weave together like a sad, sad quilt.
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
If you are talking about Dfans, I appologize? o.O
If you are talking about America, then yea, I understand.
How's this for a start
Noted.
Yeah that was my bad, I do know the difference, just didn't add the "Perhaps so open that one may think I don't believe in God or a godwhich will make me an Atheist or since we can't prove or disprove his existence (I'm a factious person [as stated below]), an Agnostic, "
Well I wouldn't say nothing. Creationism is based on the belief that a Divine being created everything, thus eliminating Evolution as possible for the most hardcore Christians/Catholics whom will stand with their faith regardless. But there are also many
Christians/Catholics, I believe, which do believe in Evolution rather than Creationism.
Data that might prove God exist? Or data that is pro-Christianity?
"We have discovered the God particle."
Stoopid religious people 1: "Take that Atheists!"
Stoopid religious people 2: "Christians 1 - Atheists 0."
Stoopid religious people 3: "Where is your god now Atheists?!" (Made this one up, but I'm sure someone quoted something similar)
You may say I'm easily convinced...also internet IS the greatest invention of all time. :Thumbs Up:
No not at all! As you said I share your sentiments about narrow-minded religious people. And I thought that article was quite interesting, yet ironic to our discussion.
Yeah have to agree with you. The thing about the Bible is that it's a book that's (thousands of years old?) and contains parts of the Hebrew Bible and maybe of other religious texts. The original "Bible" or parts thereof was most likely changed/altered through time, or passages were added/removed the first time the conglomerate Bible were made.
I don't know the history of religion, so this might be common knowledge (I'll use Christianity as the "religion"): I'll say that religion were invented some time ago by some dude that probably knew life had no meaning at that point of time, that you just lived your life and eventually died off. But with religion, you had a reason to live and a reason to die; to spend eternity with your god after you die. Who wouldn't want to live an eternity with the one you think created everything?!
It's like the miracles that occurred in the Bible. I do not believe in miracles; it doesn't mean if you recover from an incurable disease overnight without any medical explanation, that it's a miracle. There can always be an medical explanation for something that happened, BUT just because the doctors haven't been aware of or had no knowledge about it, doesn't mean it's a miracle.
Jesus healing dying people of incurable diseases, turning stuff into wine and bread, being dead for 3 days and awakening after that (most of these are probably figurative meanings but still). I don't believe these kind of miracles because I can't comprehend it (like you said), since it doesn't happen in our world.
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Back to the original point, teach both view points and let kids question and decide or them selves. They would at least have a chance to question something rather than be spoon fed one opinion.
The problem with teaching both "opinions," (I assume we're talking about creationism vs. evolution in biology exclusively) is that only one of them is an unfounded opinion. The myth of creationism is an ignorant opinion while the theory of evolution is as close to an empirical fact as you will find in science. Decades of research have substantiated the claims of evolutionary theory. There is no such data to lend credence to creationist arguments.
I think people labor under the oft-repeated myth that science simply spouts new highly-contested theories left and right, throwing all of them into highschool textbooks as they please. In reality, only substantiated theory makes it into grade school classrooms.
In other words, there is simply no foundation to the "teach the controversy," agenda. Outside of rote evangelical drama and the inability to accept the world as it is, there is no controversy at all.
I know that it would be obvious which choice kids would make, but i think it would beneficial to show each side of the story (no matter how silly one could be). It's like how the internet or some documentary's now work "rawr these points are dumb because of x so my points are awesome." Science for the most part is hard to disprove but everything we know isn't truly correct either, I just find value in not accepting everything your told... then again I guess that would go against the foundation of schools huh
Yeah, it makes about as much sense as teaching the theory that the moon is made of cheese. I'm sure you could find just as much to substantiate that claim as for creationism.
I have no reason to think there is a man on my back.
Oh come on... you set this up.... top?