Well if it becomes an issue for PVM CO-OP Public Random players that random people are dueling in their game, doesn't that just prove that people at large would appreciate a dueling system? Just saying. Make note that I have no problems with an instanced arena for all pvp where it won't ever bother anyone, as I clearly stated in a topic I made which is dead in the water.
Right, his theory does separate the community. No person would ever make a public game other then to do 1 specific quest then if they only get to play portions of the features. Is it that hard of a concept that people like to duel? Is it that hard of a concept that people might like to mess around once in a while? Is it that hard of a concept to see that this feature does less to harm the game and stall it then trading or lore stopping does? Or are you guys just that damn ignorant?
About the game being hard at later difficulties, I won't hold my breath on that, this is Diablo buddy. You are a 1 man army god, the game is completely soloable. If you suck then yea im sure you can't run ahead and kill the game, however I don't see that happening. Nothing other then developer tweaked game videos proves that you will actually die if you go off on your own.
I don't know why I bother haha, you guys that post in this section are so oblivious to the mechanics of Diablo and so oblivious to anything outside of PvM.
People aren't supposed to make PvM public games for anything but doing quests. That is the point of PvM public games. What is so hard to understand about this concept? Public games are for progressing on the storyline, period. They aren't for trade markets or open PvP, and this is evident by the Auction House and Arena. Lore stops are an intentional part of the game and are obviously considered as part of the downtime implemented into the game.
Its not hard to grasp the concept of dueling, but it is hard to grasp how it would benefit the overall community. In the past, features like that tend to create a hostile atmosphere for those that don't want to PvP. They encourage people to bully other players for duels in order to prove their superiority. It ends up even worse in Diablo 3 where the game is tuned for all four players to fight together to progress as now a duel doesn't only bother the one bullied into it, but the remaining players as well.
As for the game difficulty, Blizzard said themselves that they are expecting MONTHS before someone beats inferno. So don't expect to just easily grind through all difficulties. In addition, in four player matches the Rare/Elite monster packs have been tuned to REQUIRE three to four players to actually defeat. You don't notice this in the beta because you outlevel the content quite a bit, but Blizzard has stated you'll notice the difficulty a lot more after launch.
This means that everyone that joins a public game is expected to fight together towards the goal of progressing. There is no one person going ahead and completing everything ahead of the group like there was in Diablo 2. There is no fiddling around in town and expecting others to beat the content without you. Joining a public game is like joining an instance in WoW...you're expected to complete the goals involved or you're likely to get kicked (when the vote kick system is implemented). This is how Diablo 3 is designed and due to this design there is no place for a public duel system.
A private duel system I could understand as playing with your friends means you all likely have some interest in dueling together. Such a system wouldn't have a horrible impact on the overall community and would allow for players to make up their own rules for duels. Seems like a fine way to implement duels to me. Again, the only reason I can see to implement public duels is if a player purposely wants to bully someone into a duel. Essentially it'd be no different then adding hostility, and hostility is not a good feature for the game...period.
There will be dueling in arenas, I have no doubt about it. Its a simple thing to add and no reason not to do it. There will never be a hostile feature for all the reasons that have been mentioned. People need to disregard Adon, he is pretty much either trolling or ignorant in all of his posts. He knows that the vast majority of people here view D3 as a PvM game with side PvP but he just likes to stir things up.
There will be dueling in arenas, I have no doubt about it. Its a simple thing to add and no reason not to do it. There will never be a hostile feature for all the reasons that have been mentioned. People need to disregard Adon, he is pretty much either trolling or ignorant in all of his posts. He knows that the vast majority of people here view D3 as a PvM game with side PvP but he just likes to stir things up.
Yup. Arenas are exactly where duels would be appropriate. However, I am not opposed to private game open duels. This is mostly because it'd be a nice way to support those crazy people that play hardcore and want to duel to the death. If they were to add such an option to the Arena PvP though, I suppose I'd see little reason for private dueling as well.
As for Adon, I am mostly posting to explain why his viewpoints are wrong for the new people that enter the discussion later. I hope by explaining why things are the way they are and why PvP features in PvM gameplay are a bad idea, I will be able to stem the flood of identical posts. So far, it seems to work pretty well as the amount of threads complaining about the same things has slowed down. So, I'll continue to post responses unless the thread is closed.
There will be dueling in arenas, I have no doubt about it. Its a simple thing to add and no reason not to do it. There will never be a hostile feature for all the reasons that have been mentioned. People need to disregard Adon, he is pretty much either trolling or ignorant in all of his posts. He knows that the vast majority of people here view D3 as a PvM game with side PvP but he just likes to stir things up.
Yup. Arenas are exactly where duels would be appropriate. However, I am not opposed to private game open duels. This is mostly because it'd be a nice way to support those crazy people that play hardcore and want to duel to the death. If they were to add such an option to the Arena PvP though, I suppose I'd see little reason for private dueling as well.
As for Adon, I am mostly posting to explain why his viewpoints are wrong for the new people that enter the discussion later. I hope by explaining why things are the way they are and why PvP features in PvM gameplay are a bad idea, I will be able to stem the flood of identical posts. So far, it seems to work pretty well as the amount of threads complaining about the same things has slowed down. So, I'll continue to post responses unless the thread is closed.
Not really. The threads slow down because they are tired of you spewing the same BS every post. Either way, you don't want PvP even MUTUAL PvP in your games, and I don't want a PvM only game with no options. It is still incorrect design and flawed to force me to make 3 games to do what I want to do, you will see. BTW add me when D3 comes out so I can jerk off in town while you die to monsters ok?
Not really. The threads slow down because they are tired of you spewing the same BS every post. Either way, you don't want PvP even MUTUAL PvP in your games, and I don't want a PvM only game with no options. It is still incorrect design and flawed to force me to make 3 games to do what I want to do, you will see. BTW add me when D3 comes out so I can jerk off in town while you die to monsters ok?
I really wish you'd stop putting words into my mouth. How many times do I have to say this? "I am looking forward to PvP in Diablo 3" Did you even read the post I made before the one I replied to? I gave good explanations as to why YOU ARE WRONG. The only reason I've had to repeat myself is that you seem to refuse to actually READ. Diablo 3 isn't a PvM only game with no options. Diablo 3 will have a full PvP system in the form of Arena.
Diablo 3 also has private and public games, meaning they could easily add duels to private games giving you the options you want. However, no..you must complain more. Why do you NEED duels in private games? You already said you didn't want to play with other players. Seems like private games with your friends would be perfect for you.
As to this..."BTW add me when D3 comes out so I can jerk off in town while you die to monsters ok?"...that statement alone pretty much kills all credibility you have. Period. How am I supposed to take anything you say from now on with any kind of respect when you say stuff like that?
Not really. The threads slow down because they are tired of you spewing the same BS every post. Either way, you don't want PvP even MUTUAL PvP in your games, and I don't want a PvM only game with no options. It is still incorrect design and flawed to force me to make 3 games to do what I want to do, you will see. BTW add me when D3 comes out so I can jerk off in town while you die to monsters ok?
I really wish you'd stop putting words into my mouth. How many times do I have to say this? "I am looking forward to PvP in Diablo 3" Did you even read the post I made before the one I replied to? I gave good explanations as to why YOU ARE WRONG. The only reason I've had to repeat myself is that you seem to refuse to actually READ. Diablo 3 isn't a PvM only game with no options. Diablo 3 will have a full PvP system in the form of Arena.
Diablo 3 also has private and public games, meaning they could easily add duels to private games giving you the options you want. However, no..you must complain more. Why do you NEED duels in private games? You already said you didn't want to play with other players. Seems like private games with your friends would be perfect for you.
As to this..."BTW add me when D3 comes out so I can jerk off in town while you die to monsters ok?"...that statement alone pretty much kills all credibility you have. Period. How am I supposed to take anything you say from now on with any kind of respect when you say stuff like that?
Well at least someone had respect in our debacle ha.
Either way, I am through arguing with you. You arn't learning anything, and you sure arn't proving anything to me.
Enabling duels or hostility in private games (only) may be the *best* solution I've heard so far. You only play with your friends/family in private games so you know what you're getting into and if someone is a douchebag what are they doing on your friend's list in your private game.
Enabling duels or hostility in private games (only) may be the *best* solution I've heard so far. You only play with your friends/family in private games so you know what you're getting into and if someone is a douchebag what are they doing on your friend's list in your private game.
Enabling duels or hostility in private games (only) may be the *best* solution I've heard so far. You only play with your friends/family in private games so you know what you're getting into and if someone is a douchebag what are they doing on your friend's list in your private game.
Great post. Very insightful and intelligent presentation. Why couldn't anyone else do that? However I still feel it should be an option in both, private at the very least.
Well at least someone had respect in our debacle ha. Either way, I am through arguing with you. You arn't learning anything, and you sure arn't proving anything to me.
I for one have learned quite a bit from you Adon. None it particularly flattering or pertinent to the topic.
Well at least someone had respect in our debacle ha. Either way, I am through arguing with you. You arn't learning anything, and you sure arn't proving anything to me.
I for one have learned quite a bit from you Adon. None it particularly flattering or pertinent to the topic.
If I can't teach you the correct way to think, then you can at least learn what to aspire to be.
Great post. Very insightful and intelligent presentation. Why couldn't anyone else do that? However I still feel it should be an option in both, private at the very least.
So, he repeats my suggestion and it is somehow 'insightful'? No offence to Kodachii of course, but I've stated a few times now that dueling in private games is the way to go. I've also explained why using the same reasoning pretty much. So, I am a little curious if you actually even read my posts.... or.... what?
Great post. Very insightful and intelligent presentation. Why couldn't anyone else do that? However I still feel it should be an option in both, private at the very least.
So, he repeats my suggestion and it is somehow 'insightful'? No offence to Kodachii of course, but I've stated a few times now that dueling in private games is the way to go. I've also explained why using the same reasoning pretty much. So, I am a little curious if you actually even read my posts.... or.... what?
Woah woah woah, im done with you dude. Moving on to bigger better fish. People who make real contributions like Koda over there.
Woah woah woah, im done with you dude. Moving on to bigger better fish. People who make real contributions like Koda over there.
You failed to answer the question. Why is it suddenly a good suggestion when you've been complaining about it for the past few days? Realize you were wrong finally?
Woah woah woah, im done with you dude. Moving on to bigger better fish. People who make real contributions like Koda over there.
You failed to answer the question. Why is it suddenly a good suggestion when you've been complaining about it for the past few days? Realize you were wrong finally?
No, not at all. I still believe PvP should be an option in both game types, or at the very least a WP to the arena in game. His idea is ok, not the greatest but it is a means to an end.
If I can't teach you the correct way to think, then you can at least learn what to aspire to be.
You're way of thinking is neither correct nor something to aspire to. You constantly distort or ignore facts. Appear to never read anything and simply wish to create conflict with someone you perceive as being against your ill-defined agenda. If I wanted to get into politics I suppose that would be the way to go.
If I can't teach you the correct way to think, then you can at least learn what to aspire to be.
You're way of thinking is neither correct nor something to aspire to. You constantly distort or ignore facts. Appear to never read anything and simply wish to create conflict with someone you perceive as being against your ill-defined agenda. If I wanted to get into politics I suppose that would be the way to go.
Thanks for the support buddy! You can be my vice pres.
No, not at all. I still believe PvP should be an option in both game types, or at the very least a WP to the arena in game. His idea is ok, not the greatest but it is a means to an end.
But, its not his idea.. I've been stating THAT EXACT SAME THING, multiple times in the thread. It seems you either didn't read my posts or ignored my statements due to some predetermined hatred towards me our of some perceived notion that I hate PvP.
Funny thing about that is that I've been the one trying to create compromises between the PvP and PvM communities. I've been suggesting things like a Arena type that allows players to fight without rules, open dueling in private only games, etc. Yet, I'm an enemy of PvP? Sorry, but no. What I am against is forcing PvP on PvM players. Period.
No, not at all. I still believe PvP should be an option in both game types, or at the very least a WP to the arena in game. His idea is ok, not the greatest but it is a means to an end.
But, its not his idea.. I've been stating THAT EXACT SAME THING, multiple times in the thread. It seems you either didn't read my posts or ignored my statements due to some predetermined hatred towards me our of some perceived notion that I hate PvP.
Funny thing about that is that I've been the one trying to create compromises between the PvP and PvM communities. I've been suggesting things like a Arena type that allows players to fight without rules, open dueling in private only games, etc. Yet, I'm an enemy of PvP? Sorry, but no. What I am against is forcing PvP on PvM players. Period.
Well, you went against any player controlled options in the arena, you went against any dueling in public games, you ignored fact trading and lore stopping takes more time then dueling, you did a lot more. It is ok though, I forgive you. Koda saved the day.
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People aren't supposed to make PvM public games for anything but doing quests. That is the point of PvM public games. What is so hard to understand about this concept? Public games are for progressing on the storyline, period. They aren't for trade markets or open PvP, and this is evident by the Auction House and Arena. Lore stops are an intentional part of the game and are obviously considered as part of the downtime implemented into the game.
Its not hard to grasp the concept of dueling, but it is hard to grasp how it would benefit the overall community. In the past, features like that tend to create a hostile atmosphere for those that don't want to PvP. They encourage people to bully other players for duels in order to prove their superiority. It ends up even worse in Diablo 3 where the game is tuned for all four players to fight together to progress as now a duel doesn't only bother the one bullied into it, but the remaining players as well.
As for the game difficulty, Blizzard said themselves that they are expecting MONTHS before someone beats inferno. So don't expect to just easily grind through all difficulties. In addition, in four player matches the Rare/Elite monster packs have been tuned to REQUIRE three to four players to actually defeat. You don't notice this in the beta because you outlevel the content quite a bit, but Blizzard has stated you'll notice the difficulty a lot more after launch.
This means that everyone that joins a public game is expected to fight together towards the goal of progressing. There is no one person going ahead and completing everything ahead of the group like there was in Diablo 2. There is no fiddling around in town and expecting others to beat the content without you. Joining a public game is like joining an instance in WoW...you're expected to complete the goals involved or you're likely to get kicked (when the vote kick system is implemented). This is how Diablo 3 is designed and due to this design there is no place for a public duel system.
A private duel system I could understand as playing with your friends means you all likely have some interest in dueling together. Such a system wouldn't have a horrible impact on the overall community and would allow for players to make up their own rules for duels. Seems like a fine way to implement duels to me. Again, the only reason I can see to implement public duels is if a player purposely wants to bully someone into a duel. Essentially it'd be no different then adding hostility, and hostility is not a good feature for the game...period.
Yup. Arenas are exactly where duels would be appropriate. However, I am not opposed to private game open duels. This is mostly because it'd be a nice way to support those crazy people that play hardcore and want to duel to the death. If they were to add such an option to the Arena PvP though, I suppose I'd see little reason for private dueling as well.
As for Adon, I am mostly posting to explain why his viewpoints are wrong for the new people that enter the discussion later. I hope by explaining why things are the way they are and why PvP features in PvM gameplay are a bad idea, I will be able to stem the flood of identical posts. So far, it seems to work pretty well as the amount of threads complaining about the same things has slowed down. So, I'll continue to post responses unless the thread is closed.
I really wish you'd stop putting words into my mouth. How many times do I have to say this? "I am looking forward to PvP in Diablo 3" Did you even read the post I made before the one I replied to? I gave good explanations as to why YOU ARE WRONG. The only reason I've had to repeat myself is that you seem to refuse to actually READ. Diablo 3 isn't a PvM only game with no options. Diablo 3 will have a full PvP system in the form of Arena.
Diablo 3 also has private and public games, meaning they could easily add duels to private games giving you the options you want. However, no..you must complain more. Why do you NEED duels in private games? You already said you didn't want to play with other players. Seems like private games with your friends would be perfect for you.
As to this..."BTW add me when D3 comes out so I can jerk off in town while you die to monsters ok?"...that statement alone pretty much kills all credibility you have. Period. How am I supposed to take anything you say from now on with any kind of respect when you say stuff like that?
Either way, I am through arguing with you. You arn't learning anything, and you sure arn't proving anything to me.
Thank you Kodachii. +1
I for one have learned quite a bit from you Adon. None it particularly flattering or pertinent to the topic.
So, he repeats my suggestion and it is somehow 'insightful'? No offence to Kodachii of course, but I've stated a few times now that dueling in private games is the way to go. I've also explained why using the same reasoning pretty much. So, I am a little curious if you actually even read my posts.... or.... what?
You failed to answer the question. Why is it suddenly a good suggestion when you've been complaining about it for the past few days? Realize you were wrong finally?
But, its not his idea.. I've been stating THAT EXACT SAME THING, multiple times in the thread. It seems you either didn't read my posts or ignored my statements due to some predetermined hatred towards me our of some perceived notion that I hate PvP.
Funny thing about that is that I've been the one trying to create compromises between the PvP and PvM communities. I've been suggesting things like a Arena type that allows players to fight without rules, open dueling in private only games, etc. Yet, I'm an enemy of PvP? Sorry, but no. What I am against is forcing PvP on PvM players. Period.