While I tend to agree with you, this is the general policy of every large video game's official forums I've ever been on. The response is always that the mature language filter is there to "protect" people from those who break the rules, not to invalidate the rule.
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...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
Mature Language filter exists for people to filter out language that they prefer not to see when people decide to break the rules and use it any way. If you disagree with the rule, you are perfectly free to go elsewhere that does not have that rule. You are also free to argue for why the rule should not exist. You are even free to break the rule, and then get punished for it.
While I tend to agree with you, this is the general policy of every large video game's official forums I've ever been on. The response is always that the mature language filter is there to "protect" people from those who break the rules, not to invalidate the rule.
Have you ever been to the GGG forums?
I mean, I understand if someone is cussing every third word.
But, if someone say, is doing MP10 ubers on hardcore, and gets killed by a lag spike, you would probably expect them go run off at the mouth with a stream of obscenities.
Not only that, but the game has a Mature rating. I don't care if people playing the game are underage - they shouldn't be.
That said, whatever happened to, "Hey John Doe, this is Game Master Bootlicker from Blizzard. We wanted to let you know that you are getting complaints for your overuse of obscenities. Would you mind toning it down a bit?"
And John Doe replies, "Sure thing."
A 30 second conversation instead of just waving the ban hammer. Abuse of authority, imo.
Mature Language filter exists for people to filter out language that they prefer not to see when people decide to break the rules and use it any way. If you disagree with the rule, you are perfectly free to go elsewhere that does not have that rule. You are also free to argue for why the rule should not exist. You are even free to break the rule, and then get punished for it.
This is Blizzard's angle, sure. That the filter is there only to protect the innocent little eyes of the adults who otherwise play games with Mature Ratings (with swear words programmed into the game's dialogue!), watch porn, action movies, and political thoroughfare. And when they decide they are strong enough to turn their filter off, and expose themselves to a couple of choice words, they get their pants in a bunch and want to cry to daddy Blizzard.
It's ridiculous. Support it all you want. It's simply ridiculous.
I'm offended by people who are offended by other people's language choices.
If Blizzard is going to treat it in that manner, they should remove the Mature Language Filter completely, and let us go back to seeing !@%@#%@#%^@#%#@%
I mean, I understand if someone is cussing every third word.
But, if someone say, is doing MP10 ubers on hardcore, and gets killed by a lag spike, you would probably expect them go run off at the mouth with a stream of obscenities.
Not only that, but the game has a Mature rating. I don't care if people playing the game are underage - they shouldn't be.
That said, whatever happened to, "Hey John Doe, this is Game Master Bootlicker from Blizzard. We wanted to let you know that you are getting complaints for your overuse of obscenities. Would you mind toning it down a bit?"
And John Doe replies, "Sure thing."
A 30 second conversation instead of just waving the ban hammer. Abuse of authority, imo.
Like I said, I tend to agree with you. However, Blizzard can draw any line on their official forums or in-game chat that that they wish and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it as long as the rules are consistently enforced and readily available. I curse all the time in my personal life, but I don't swear at work and I rarely, if ever, swear in print in any format. It's not like you can't express an idea without doing so, so why pick this particular fight?
Also, I have no idea what GGG is.
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...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
The game is not Adults only. The game does officially allow Teens to play. You can argue all you want that most teens have seen, know, and say bad words. However it is not yours or anyone else's right to expose them to those words, or concepts(words are more than words after all). You also assume that everyone over the age of 18 that plays WoW/D3 also plays games and watches movies with sex and swearing. That's a fairly narrow viewpoint.
By and large private communication is not moderated. So if you are in a guild of adults and want to swear, you can, and you can turn the filter off to see it.
That said, whatever happened to, "Hey John Doe, this is Game Master Bootlicker from Blizzard. We wanted to let you know that you are getting complaints for your overuse of obscenities. Would you mind toning it down a bit?"
And John Doe replies, "Sure thing."
A 30 second conversation instead of just waving the ban hammer. Abuse of authority, imo.
Is this really how you imagine this exchange going down? The GameMaster respectfully asks the player to calm themselves, and they politely respond "Yes m'lord!"?
In my mind a more realistic scenario is the GameMaster respectfully asking the player to calm themselves, and the player impolitely calling the GameMaster a s*&$c*#! and telling them to f&$% themselves with a cactus before complaining about not yet finding their Crit Chance Mempo and the fact that their login credentials got stolen when they were purchasing gold from a third-party site.
Considering the maturity level of many of the players who frequent the Battle.net forums, I'm not surprised that the default position for a GameMaster is to hand out a temporary ban, especially when the user is obviously in violation of a clearly presented rule.
The game is not Adults only. The game does officially allow Teens to play. You can argue all you want that most teens have seen, know, and say bad words. However it is not yours or anyone else's right to expose them to those words, or concepts(words are more than words after all). You also assume that everyone over the age of 18 that plays WoW/D3 also plays games and watches movies with sex and swearing. That's a fairly narrow viewpoint.
By and large private communication is not moderated. So if you are in a guild of adults and want to swear, you can, and you can turn the filter off to see it.
"Online Notice: Includes online features that may expose players to unrated user-generated content (Macintosh, Windows PC) " http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp
They were warned.
If you are naive enough to think for one second that the people playing this game (and we must assume they are all 17+, or Blizzard is in violation, right?), have not been exposed to a little profanity, then you might need a reality check.
Not only that, but as I said earlier, the game itself has mild profanity included in its shipped dialogue. Thus, anyone who has played the game even through Normal, and watched all of the cut scenes, has indeed been exposed to some profanity.
But, you are wanting to talk about degree maybe? Maybe "damn" is not as "bad" as "shit" or "fuck"? Give me a break.
I curse all the time in my personal life, but I don't swear at work and I rarely, if ever, swear in print in any format. It's not like you can't express an idea without doing so, so why pick this particular fight?
Quit it with being reasonable.
You know very well that everything Blizzard does has to be met with EXTREME OUTRAGE.
@OP
Get a life. If you don't like it go play PoE and leave us the fuck alone.
That said, whatever happened to, "Hey John Doe, this is Game Master Bootlicker from Blizzard. We wanted to let you know that you are getting complaints for your overuse of obscenities. Would you mind toning it down a bit?"
And John Doe replies, "Sure thing."
A 30 second conversation instead of just waving the ban hammer. Abuse of authority, imo.
Is this really how you imagine this exchange going down? The GameMaster respectfully asks the player to calm themselves, and they politely respond "Yes m'lord!"?
In my mind a more realistic scenario is the GameMaster respectfully asking the player to calm themselves, and the player impolitely calling the GameMaster a s*&$c*#! and telling them to f&$% themselves with a cactus before complaining about not yet finding their Crit Chance Mempo and the fact that their login credentials got stolen when they were purchasing gold from a third-party site.
Considering the maturity level of many of the players who frequent the Battle.net forums, I'm not surprised that the default position for a GameMaster is to hand out a temporary ban, especially when the user is obviously in violation of a clearly presented rule.
I love how you made up some wildly immature teenager to help represent your claims.
Again, I'm assuming an adult level of maturity here. The OP that I linked the blue post of demonstrated it aptly. That you would cite some random 12 year old mentality as an example of why Blizzard should ban first, communicate later, is a symptom of a greater problem - that is, bad parenting that allows these little kids to play the game in the first place.
Again, why not just remove the language filter altogether, and go back to the #%@ - instead of giving ADULTS the ILLUSION that it's okay for them to say what they are thinking in a MATURE RATED game?
I curse all the time in my personal life, but I don't swear at work and I rarely, if ever, swear in print in any format. It's not like you can't express an idea without doing so, so why pick this particular fight?
Quit it with being reasonable.
You know very well that everything Blizzard does has to be met with EXTREME OUTRAGE.
@OP
Get a life. If you don't like it go play PoE and leave us the fuck alone.
Funny how you ask me to leave you the fuck alone. You would say the same thing in-game, would you not? Of course you would! And that's my point. Should I report you for that? NO!
As for the 'personal life' thing, is gaming not included in 'personal life'? Should we all need to be on our best business manners in order to kill hordes of fantasy demons?
You know, I'm done with it. Some of you fan boys are too brainwashed to even carry on a valid discussion about this subject.
Of course they are warned. That is a standard ESRB warning that content coming from other people's fingers/mouths cannot be controlled. It doesn't mean there are not rules.
1) Blizzard is not in trouble if someone under the age of 17 is playing the game, only if they sold them the game.
2) It's not about whether someone has been exposed to be a little bit of profanity, it is whether someone should expect it. A rule exists about not swearing using hate speech and various other vulgarities. So a person going into that environment would have the expectation that it would be clear of those things.
Damn is a generally more acceptable curse for use. In fact rating systems I do not believe even mark that against the ratings for mild usage.
You know, I'm done with it. Some of you fan boys are too brainwashed to even carry on a valid discussion about this subject.
I would argue that you might be too enraged to have a valid discussion. I am not seeing much in this thread that looks or resembles fanboyism. Mostly just explaining how it is also why it is. You seem to want to explain why it shouldn't be. That is great. However, you are doing so by ignoring what people are telling you is the reality.
I would also remind you that the mature language filter covers far more than just traditional cussing.
You know, I'm done with it. Some of you fan boys are too brainwashed to even carry on a valid discussion about this subject.
LOL statement of the day. Now your a fanboy for not wanting TO DEAL WITH cursing in-chat. Why do people feel the need to curse away in chat? Personally I think it makes you look stupid. Id personally like the option to turn off in-game chat completely. The fact someone needs to roll off a round of profanities for some dumb reason like they died or to tell someone to shutup and just play the game makes me chuckle.
The best part is all the tough boys behind there keyboards would never say these things if they were facing that person face-to-face.
As for the 'personal life' thing, is gaming not included in 'personal life'? Should we all need to be on our best business manners in order to kill hordes of fantasy demons?
What I'm specifically referencing as far as my personal life is interaction with people I know who I am sure aren't going to be offended by my use of expletives, which would be a similar case if you were on a private Vent server with like-minded adults, or to a certain extent, a fan forum like this one. Cursing on an official gaming forum seems more like cursing loudly in a business like a restaurant, and I tend to think both are unnecessary at best even though I'm not offended.
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...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
The best part is all the tough boys behind there keyboards would never say these things if they were facing that person face-to-face.
Honestly, I think the best things are the sweeping generalisations.
Really? Tell you what next time your at the store and its taking just a little to long to check out why dont you tell the cashier "You slow stupid fucking c--t cant you go any faster!!" Let me know how that works out for you. Oh wait of course you wouldnt say that because she is standing there staring you in the face.
Most people act completely different with people online vs. face-to-face. How do I know....lets see if I accidently bump into someone in the store I say excuse me, or they say excuse me. I dont really starting rattling off "Why dont you watch were the fuck your going you blind fucktard."
The best part is all the tough boys behind there keyboards would never say these things if they were facing that person face-to-face.
Honestly, I think the best things are the sweeping generalisations.
Really? Tell you what next time your at the store and its taking just a little to long to check out why dont you tell the cashier "You slow stupid fucking c--t cant you go any faster!!" Let me know how that works out for you. Oh wait of course you wouldnt say that because she is standing there staring you in the face.
Most people act completely different with people online vs. face-to-face. How do I know....lets see if I accidently bump into someone in the store I say excuse me, or they say excuse me. I dont really starting rattling off "Why dont you watch were the fuck your going you blind fucktard."
That's a great point. People tend to grow E-muscles while hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
@OP
Get a life. If you don't like it go play PoE and leave us the fuck alone.
Dafuq's your problem? If you have a reasonable opinion, by all means let us know.
I'm sorry, I happen to expect people who break the rules to man up and suffer the consequences.
If you want to debate the rules, fine. I'm all for discussion of rules. But this is not that. This is someone who didn't play by the rules, got burnt, and now wants to make Blizzard out to be the bad guy instead of taking the responsibility for their own actions. Victim culture at its best.
Blizzard didn't force anyone to curse on their forums or in general chats. What Blizzard did was say that, mature language filter or not, it's not behavior that will be tolerated. I, personally, have no issues with that policy. tanis0 sums up how I feel on the subject to a "t." Expecting people to have a degree of decorum in public is not unreasonable, overbearing, or facist.
What is unreasonable, in this case, is the complete lack of accountability for following the rules.
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I had to laugh at Blizzard for this, but I genuinely feel bad for the player.
What's the Mature Language Filter for anyway, if not to let people filter out language they would prefer not to see?
And on a game with a Mature Rating...
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Have you ever been to the GGG forums?
I mean, I understand if someone is cussing every third word.
But, if someone say, is doing MP10 ubers on hardcore, and gets killed by a lag spike, you would probably expect them go run off at the mouth with a stream of obscenities.
Not only that, but the game has a Mature rating. I don't care if people playing the game are underage - they shouldn't be.
That said, whatever happened to, "Hey John Doe, this is Game Master Bootlicker from Blizzard. We wanted to let you know that you are getting complaints for your overuse of obscenities. Would you mind toning it down a bit?"
And John Doe replies, "Sure thing."
A 30 second conversation instead of just waving the ban hammer. Abuse of authority, imo.
This is Blizzard's angle, sure. That the filter is there only to protect the innocent little eyes of the adults who otherwise play games with Mature Ratings (with swear words programmed into the game's dialogue!), watch porn, action movies, and political thoroughfare. And when they decide they are strong enough to turn their filter off, and expose themselves to a couple of choice words, they get their pants in a bunch and want to cry to daddy Blizzard.
It's ridiculous. Support it all you want. It's simply ridiculous.
I'm offended by people who are offended by other people's language choices.
If Blizzard is going to treat it in that manner, they should remove the Mature Language Filter completely, and let us go back to seeing !@%@#%@#%^@#%#@%
Like I said, I tend to agree with you. However, Blizzard can draw any line on their official forums or in-game chat that that they wish and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it as long as the rules are consistently enforced and readily available. I curse all the time in my personal life, but I don't swear at work and I rarely, if ever, swear in print in any format. It's not like you can't express an idea without doing so, so why pick this particular fight?
Also, I have no idea what GGG is.
By and large private communication is not moderated. So if you are in a guild of adults and want to swear, you can, and you can turn the filter off to see it.
Is this really how you imagine this exchange going down? The GameMaster respectfully asks the player to calm themselves, and they politely respond "Yes m'lord!"?
In my mind a more realistic scenario is the GameMaster respectfully asking the player to calm themselves, and the player impolitely calling the GameMaster a s*&$c*#! and telling them to f&$% themselves with a cactus before complaining about not yet finding their Crit Chance Mempo and the fact that their login credentials got stolen when they were purchasing gold from a third-party site.
Considering the maturity level of many of the players who frequent the Battle.net forums, I'm not surprised that the default position for a GameMaster is to hand out a temporary ban, especially when the user is obviously in violation of a clearly presented rule.
"Online Notice: Includes online features that may expose players to unrated user-generated content (Macintosh, Windows PC) "
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp
They were warned.
If you are naive enough to think for one second that the people playing this game (and we must assume they are all 17+, or Blizzard is in violation, right?), have not been exposed to a little profanity, then you might need a reality check.
Not only that, but as I said earlier, the game itself has mild profanity included in its shipped dialogue. Thus, anyone who has played the game even through Normal, and watched all of the cut scenes, has indeed been exposed to some profanity.
But, you are wanting to talk about degree maybe? Maybe "damn" is not as "bad" as "shit" or "fuck"? Give me a break.
Quit it with being reasonable.
You know very well that everything Blizzard does has to be met with EXTREME OUTRAGE.
@OP
Get a life. If you don't like it go play PoE and leave us the fuck alone.
I love how you made up some wildly immature teenager to help represent your claims.
Again, I'm assuming an adult level of maturity here. The OP that I linked the blue post of demonstrated it aptly. That you would cite some random 12 year old mentality as an example of why Blizzard should ban first, communicate later, is a symptom of a greater problem - that is, bad parenting that allows these little kids to play the game in the first place.
Again, why not just remove the language filter altogether, and go back to the #%@ - instead of giving ADULTS the ILLUSION that it's okay for them to say what they are thinking in a MATURE RATED game?
Funny how you ask me to leave you the fuck alone. You would say the same thing in-game, would you not? Of course you would! And that's my point. Should I report you for that? NO!
As for the 'personal life' thing, is gaming not included in 'personal life'? Should we all need to be on our best business manners in order to kill hordes of fantasy demons?
You know, I'm done with it. Some of you fan boys are too brainwashed to even carry on a valid discussion about this subject.
1) Blizzard is not in trouble if someone under the age of 17 is playing the game, only if they sold them the game.
2) It's not about whether someone has been exposed to be a little bit of profanity, it is whether someone should expect it. A rule exists about not swearing using hate speech and various other vulgarities. So a person going into that environment would have the expectation that it would be clear of those things.
Damn is a generally more acceptable curse for use. In fact rating systems I do not believe even mark that against the ratings for mild usage.
I would argue that you might be too enraged to have a valid discussion. I am not seeing much in this thread that looks or resembles fanboyism. Mostly just explaining how it is also why it is. You seem to want to explain why it shouldn't be. That is great. However, you are doing so by ignoring what people are telling you is the reality.
I would also remind you that the mature language filter covers far more than just traditional cussing.
Edit: Argh, double post, I apologize.
LOL statement of the day. Now your a fanboy for not wanting TO DEAL WITH cursing in-chat. Why do people feel the need to curse away in chat? Personally I think it makes you look stupid. Id personally like the option to turn off in-game chat completely. The fact someone needs to roll off a round of profanities for some dumb reason like they died or to tell someone to shutup and just play the game makes me chuckle.
The best part is all the tough boys behind there keyboards would never say these things if they were facing that person face-to-face.
What I'm specifically referencing as far as my personal life is interaction with people I know who I am sure aren't going to be offended by my use of expletives, which would be a similar case if you were on a private Vent server with like-minded adults, or to a certain extent, a fan forum like this one. Cursing on an official gaming forum seems more like cursing loudly in a business like a restaurant, and I tend to think both are unnecessary at best even though I'm not offended.
Really? Tell you what next time your at the store and its taking just a little to long to check out why dont you tell the cashier "You slow stupid fucking c--t cant you go any faster!!" Let me know how that works out for you. Oh wait of course you wouldnt say that because she is standing there staring you in the face.
Most people act completely different with people online vs. face-to-face. How do I know....lets see if I accidently bump into someone in the store I say excuse me, or they say excuse me. I dont really starting rattling off "Why dont you watch were the fuck your going you blind fucktard."
Ba a man and follow the rules. Suffer the consequences of breaking rules like an adult....quietly and with some sense of humility.
So far, your reaction is indicative of a greater problem.
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That's a great point. People tend to grow E-muscles while hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
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I'm sorry, I happen to expect people who break the rules to man up and suffer the consequences.
If you want to debate the rules, fine. I'm all for discussion of rules. But this is not that. This is someone who didn't play by the rules, got burnt, and now wants to make Blizzard out to be the bad guy instead of taking the responsibility for their own actions. Victim culture at its best.
Blizzard didn't force anyone to curse on their forums or in general chats. What Blizzard did was say that, mature language filter or not, it's not behavior that will be tolerated. I, personally, have no issues with that policy. tanis0 sums up how I feel on the subject to a "t." Expecting people to have a degree of decorum in public is not unreasonable, overbearing, or facist.
What is unreasonable, in this case, is the complete lack of accountability for following the rules.