I just can't fathom being alone in this thinking, but it seems all the posts I see on all the different D3 sites revolve around RMAH, high difficulty level of Act 2+ and a million other nonsense issues. All of them seem secondary to the primary issue I'm having with the game, which is the drops.
I understood from the beginning that I would need to get to Inferno to really be able to farm good items (similar concept to getting to hell in D2), so I went through the first three difficulties on my barb, replacing gear as I went and steamrolling the content as expected.
Then I hit the brick wall that is Inferno. I soon realized that to progress in Act 1, I'd need to make some purchases at the AH -- ok, that's fine, because once I did that I'd be able to farm Act 1 Inferno for some upgrades. 50 or so Butcher runs later and I didn't get one upgrade -- even more startling, I only found one set item and one legendary (a terrible monk 2hand and an even more terrible barb belt -- both selling for less than 100k).
But that's ok, I was then informed that in order to get the best drops in the game, I needed to farm Act 2. Alright, well I certainly couldn't do that with the garbage I was vendering to Act 1, so I visited the AH again with all the money I had collected on my Butcher runs. Now I was ready for Act 2 and progress I did.
So, today, I sit here in a position where I can do endless Khulle/Beliel runs, farming the crap out of them. What have I found? Nothing...not one upgrade...hell, the only thing I've even been able to sell are Int pants for about 300k. That's it...no upgrades...no set pieces...no legendaries. Nothing.
But that's ok, right? Because now I understand that to get THE BEST gear I need to be farming Act 3 and 4. So all I have to do is save up some more gold, visit the AH, and keep on progressing.
But then what? I'm terrified of what lies around this next corner, because I'm certain I won't find the joy of D2. All I'm going to likely find is the same thing I've found in Act 1 and 2 -- garbage drops, only now with a supposedly higher chance of getting something useful...maybe.
There is absolutely no joy in farming content and getting no reward (except gold, which is constantly devaluing). And the joy of purchasing an upgrade on the AH is only a fraction of the reward that finding one is. Blizzard has crafted a game on the backs of the talented D2 Devs, but built in no reward system. It's mind blowing to me.
In D2, everyone aimed for the same gear -- specific sets and uniques -- and if they didn't have the best one of the slot, they had a lesser one of the slot. Instead, in D3, we have a collection of characters in meaningless rares. When someone asks what helm I'm using, I can't say Shako and get a head nod back, instead I say: "Oh, well it's got some Strength and All Res on it...and a socket that I've gemmed with more health...it's pretty good." No one gives a crap about it, especially me. It's valueless. It's a piece of nameless garbage that I bought off the AH because it had higher numbers than the previous piece of garbage that I bought off the AH.
We're less than a month into the game and if my character was deleted I wouldn't care. Think about how incredible that statement is?! THIS IS A DIABLO GAME! We're less than a month in and I have no addiction to it. I'm playing it because it's a Diablo game, haha.
Now, I understand the difficulty is being nerfed, the drop rates of good items will increase in Act 1, and the power of legendaries and set items will increase, but that's not enough. If 1.3 were implemented today, I'd be able to farm Beliel quicker I guess...or get through Act 3 easier...but the drop rates in those acts aren't changing! So it's still more than likely that I'll sit down to do an hour run and get nothing for it.
I've now reached a point where I'm alarmingly aware that this game is unsavable; that in spite of Blizzard's soon-to-be greatest efforts, D3 is a sinking ship.
And they are directly buffing drop rates in Inferno next patch. Then they are buffing Sets/Legendarys right after. I dont see the issue? I have yet to go a single day without finding something decent.
And they are directly buffing drop rates in Inferno next patch. Then they are buffing Sets/Legendarys right after. I dont see the issue? I have yet to go a single day without finding something decent.
I just don't see how that's possible. The chances of me having such bad luck or you having such good luck are dismal. You are farming Inferno and finding upgrades multiple times a day? Or do you mean that you're finding upgrades as you level through the other difficulties?
What was so different in D2 that made the same basic gameplay (farm, farm and then farm some more) so much more enjoyable? Was it knowing that once you had that BiS item, that you knew you were done with that slot? Was it so you could flex your e-peen (not meaning that as an insult) to your buddies? Was it something else?
I think the big clash between Blizz and the players is that Blizz made a game wherein there is no BiS due to the fact that they aimed to have this huge number of viable builds/skills that you could interchange and still be able to progress forward. A "play as you want to play" style if you will. The problem with that, at least in my opinion, is that that isn't what today's players are looking for.
The internet databases have changed -everything-. Players can now look up every item in the game, affixes, suffixes and determine what -the- best item is for each and every slot. I'd say WoW contributed a good bit to this attitude (be it good or bad). Players aren't playing to play what they enjoy so much as playing what puts out the best dps, or can kill the quickest, or can survive X, Y, and Z situations. At it's foundation, I believe the biggest issue is the disparity between the game Blizz developed and the game the players wanted it to be.
What was so different in D2 that made the same basic gameplay (farm, farm and then farm some more) so much more enjoyable? Was it knowing that once you had that BiS item, that you knew you were done with that slot? Was it so you could flex your e-peen (not meaning that as an insult) to your buddies? Was it something else?
I think the big clash between Blizz and the players is that Blizz made a game wherein there is no BiS due to the fact that they aimed to have this huge number of viable builds/skills that you could interchange and still be able to progress forward. A "play as you want to play" style if you will. The problem with that, at least in my opinion, is that that isn't what today's players are looking for.
The internet databases have changed -everything-. Players can now look up every item in the game, affixes, suffixes and determine what -the- best item is for each and every slot. I'd say WoW contributed a good bit to this attitude (be it good or bad). Players aren't playing to play what they enjoy so much as playing what puts out the best dps, or can kill the quickest, or can survive X, Y, and Z situations. At it's foundation, I believe the biggest issue is the disparity between the game Blizz developed and the game the players wanted it to be.
Well, the big difference with D2 is that you were constantly finding set pieces and uniques as you leveled through the game and farmed the end game; and those pieces are virtually always better than the rare/magic counterpart. The result was a sense of accomplishment when you found one. If Windforce was the best Bow in D2, that's what you strived for as an Amazon...and you would use other Uniques, etc., as you leveled and farmed.
In D3, they increased the drop rates of rares and strongly decreased the drop rates of sets and legendaries (they also decreased the value of sets and legendaries), so the best gear in the game right now is ideally rolled ilvl 63 rares. The problem with that is rares are unique to the roll. There's no "epeen" flexing to your buddies because the piece can't be duplicated...the piece doesn't even have a name. There's a huge difference, psychologically, between quipping a D2 SoJ and a D3 rare ring that's better than the SoJ, haha.The SoJ had a status in the community, the rare ring is meaningless.
I haven't found a single upgrade for myself since somewhere in nightmare. I've had to buy upgrades to finish hell and currently farming up to skeleton king in act 1 inferno, not a single upgrade or piece worth selling has dropped. I want to farm, i want to enjoy it but there really needs to be some sort of tangible rewards besides gold...saving up 30 million gold to buy something viable for inferno is just not near as much fun as farming 10 or so runs and getting a real upgrade would be.
And they are directly buffing drop rates in Inferno next patch. Then they are buffing Sets/Legendarys right after. I dont see the issue? I have yet to go a single day without finding something decent.
Don't make stuff up. Everyone playing in late inferno are using almost exclusively gear they've bought from AH.
I should add that legendaries are entirely too rare. They've recreated a problem from D2 that they set out to fix. They never liked how set items worked because they were so rare that you couldn't complete a set until well after you've out leveled it and it became useless. Now even though legendaries aren't the most powerful items, which is perfectly fine, they are just impossible to find. ~100 hours into the game and i've still not seen a single legendary, set, or blacksmith pattern drop.
And they are directly buffing drop rates in Inferno next patch. Then they are buffing Sets/Legendarys right after. I dont see the issue? I have yet to go a single day without finding something decent.
I just don't see how that's possible. The chances of me having such bad luck or you having such good luck are dismal. You are farming Inferno and finding upgrades multiple times a day? Or do you mean that you're finding upgrades as you level through the other difficulties?
P.S. Why is your font so small? Haha.
Wierd glitch with the font....
All the way up to Inferno I have found constant upgrades, little to no issue.
In Inferno its thinner findings to be sure, but I usually find a decent weapon or shield or helm, etc. Sometimes I find really good drops for a different class, etc.
Sure, Inferno needs the boost in the next patch, no question, but it just means more swag for me....
Try using MF gear as well, my useful drop rate skyrocketed when i went from 80% mf to 239%. You just aren't farming correctly.
problem with MF gear is you needs those affix slots for survivability stats in inferno. MF isn't viable for me at least, playing as a barb. Maybe ranged have it easier since they dont have to fight up close and personal.
Try using MF gear as well, my useful drop rate skyrocketed when i went from 80% mf to 239%. You just aren't farming correctly.
problem with MF gear is you needs those affix slots for survivability stats in inferno. MF isn't viable for me at least, playing as a barb. Maybe ranged have it easier since they dont have to fight up close and personal.
I play a monk and have no problem swapping before a kill.....soooooo.....
And they are directly buffing drop rates in Inferno next patch. Then they are buffing Sets/Legendarys right after. I dont see the issue? I have yet to go a single day without finding something decent.
Don't make stuff up. Everyone playing in late inferno are using almost exclusively gear they've bought from AH.
Don't make stuff up. I've spent a grand total of 500k on the AH and I'm in act 4, most gear I'm using I've found.
In D2, everyone aimed for the same gear -- specific sets and uniques -- and if they didn't have the best one of the slot, they had a lesser one of the slot. Instead, in D3, we have a collection of characters in meaningless rares. When someone asks what helm I'm using, I can't say Shako and get a head nod back, instead I say: "Oh, well it's got some Strength and All Res on it...and a socket that I've gemmed with more health...it's pretty good." No one gives a crap about it, especially me. It's valueless. It's a piece of nameless garbage that I bought off the AH because it had higher numbers than the previous piece of garbage that I bought off the AH.
I understand that posting complaining topics generally means you are bad, but this is just so wrong that I feel the need to post.
Do you really think BoTD was the best weapon ? Sure shako was "BiS" for some classes, but godly rare scepters for a hdin or godly axes for a barb, godly circlets for every classes, those were the real money items. Shako was trash noob food.
You should also know that there are still uniques that are BiS in this game for pure IAS (as an example),like lacuni prowlers, andariel's visage/mempo of twilight, but I mean you don't even have a clue of what's going on in either of the games and act like you do.
Please do some research and then complain when you know the real problems.
Try using MF gear as well, my useful drop rate skyrocketed when i went from 80% mf to 239%. You just aren't farming correctly.
problem with MF gear is you needs those affix slots for survivability stats in inferno. MF isn't viable for me at least, playing as a barb. Maybe ranged have it easier since they dont have to fight up close and personal.
Erm, I have 125mf in Inferno..... as a Barb......with a 2H Sword.
Yup, its hard, but I find sweet loot. (Not Act 4 loot mind you, but pretty good loot.)
I have alternate pieces of my set for when it gets too tough to handle, but Act 1 farming is EZ with the MF set, and certain parts of act 2 are good.
That's an exploit; the game's not meant to be played that way. So that fact that you are able to get good drops through an exploit means nothing to this discussion.
Changing my gear is an exploit?
Using MF is an exploit?
Not being an idiot is an exploit?
I can't figure out which of those three you are trying to imply. Regardless I did fine without MF, it just increases the rate of acquisition of useful items. Until they literally patch the game to make swapping out MF gear disallowed there is literally no reason to not do it.
That's an exploit; the game's not meant to be played that way. So that fact that you are able to get good drops through an exploit means nothing to this discussion.
If he's not using 3rd party software to hot-swap his gear, but rather opening his inventory and doing it manually during an encounter, how is that possibly an exploit?
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i would choose my own religion and worship my own spirit, but if he ever preached to me i wouldn't want to hear it. i'd drop him, a forgotten god, languishing in shame; and then if i hit stormy seas, i'd have myself to blame.
To add a little bit more to this discussion, I think Cahoots has raised a good point.
Although d3 has only been out for a month, It seems as though the game is going in the right direction, as Blizzard intended it.
To claify this I'd like to point out some scenarios.
As a barbarian, one of the easiest ways to progress through inferno is to sword and board and play defensivley. Naturally people have min/maxed this and various cooki cutter specs are in good use. But that's not to say that this is the only way to play. There is a good argument for playing with a 2 hander. Of course this does usually mean you need superior gear (farmed using a sword/board spec) but the point still stands. Furthermore there is a RANGED barb spec that utileses a barbarians throwing abilites, and in some situations seems to be viable!
I think this is a key point in teh argument of replayabilty: D2 vs D3. D2 was replayable as you had to replay it to farm for that best in slot piece.
In D3, you can play the same content again, with the same character, using a completey different playstyle! The ability to adapt to situations, and be creative with the WAY you play your character is vastly different and improved to that of D2
I put forth that D3 still has a lot to offer. the game has only been out a month after an incredibly long development. There is more to come yet.
I don't agree about your thoughts on d3 game play "adapting to the situation". From what I've seen you either go as far as you can into defensive and healing abilities, or stack so much damage that things don't get to hit you. Maybe the only thing that I've seen out side of that consists of kiting for ages, or relies so heavily on gear that you had to use one of main ways to play before that even works. The only thing that progresses you forward is buying better gear, and switching skills and losing your NV hinders that.
I understood from the beginning that I would need to get to Inferno to really be able to farm good items (similar concept to getting to hell in D2), so I went through the first three difficulties on my barb, replacing gear as I went and steamrolling the content as expected.
Then I hit the brick wall that is Inferno. I soon realized that to progress in Act 1, I'd need to make some purchases at the AH -- ok, that's fine, because once I did that I'd be able to farm Act 1 Inferno for some upgrades. 50 or so Butcher runs later and I didn't get one upgrade -- even more startling, I only found one set item and one legendary (a terrible monk 2hand and an even more terrible barb belt -- both selling for less than 100k).
But that's ok, I was then informed that in order to get the best drops in the game, I needed to farm Act 2. Alright, well I certainly couldn't do that with the garbage I was vendering to Act 1, so I visited the AH again with all the money I had collected on my Butcher runs. Now I was ready for Act 2 and progress I did.
So, today, I sit here in a position where I can do endless Khulle/Beliel runs, farming the crap out of them. What have I found? Nothing...not one upgrade...hell, the only thing I've even been able to sell are Int pants for about 300k. That's it...no upgrades...no set pieces...no legendaries. Nothing.
But that's ok, right? Because now I understand that to get THE BEST gear I need to be farming Act 3 and 4. So all I have to do is save up some more gold, visit the AH, and keep on progressing.
But then what? I'm terrified of what lies around this next corner, because I'm certain I won't find the joy of D2. All I'm going to likely find is the same thing I've found in Act 1 and 2 -- garbage drops, only now with a supposedly higher chance of getting something useful...maybe.
There is absolutely no joy in farming content and getting no reward (except gold, which is constantly devaluing). And the joy of purchasing an upgrade on the AH is only a fraction of the reward that finding one is. Blizzard has crafted a game on the backs of the talented D2 Devs, but built in no reward system. It's mind blowing to me.
In D2, everyone aimed for the same gear -- specific sets and uniques -- and if they didn't have the best one of the slot, they had a lesser one of the slot. Instead, in D3, we have a collection of characters in meaningless rares. When someone asks what helm I'm using, I can't say Shako and get a head nod back, instead I say: "Oh, well it's got some Strength and All Res on it...and a socket that I've gemmed with more health...it's pretty good." No one gives a crap about it, especially me. It's valueless. It's a piece of nameless garbage that I bought off the AH because it had higher numbers than the previous piece of garbage that I bought off the AH.
We're less than a month into the game and if my character was deleted I wouldn't care. Think about how incredible that statement is?! THIS IS A DIABLO GAME! We're less than a month in and I have no addiction to it. I'm playing it because it's a Diablo game, haha.
Now, I understand the difficulty is being nerfed, the drop rates of good items will increase in Act 1, and the power of legendaries and set items will increase, but that's not enough. If 1.3 were implemented today, I'd be able to farm Beliel quicker I guess...or get through Act 3 easier...but the drop rates in those acts aren't changing! So it's still more than likely that I'll sit down to do an hour run and get nothing for it.
I've now reached a point where I'm alarmingly aware that this game is unsavable; that in spite of Blizzard's soon-to-be greatest efforts, D3 is a sinking ship.
It's more than discouraging; it's heart-breaking.
I find usable gear upgrades all the time......
And they are directly buffing drop rates in Inferno next patch. Then they are buffing Sets/Legendarys right after.
I dont see the issue? I have yet to go a single day without finding something decent.
I just don't see how that's possible. The chances of me having such bad luck or you having such good luck are dismal. You are farming Inferno and finding upgrades multiple times a day? Or do you mean that you're finding upgrades as you level through the other difficulties?
P.S. Why is your font so small? Haha.
What was so different in D2 that made the same basic gameplay (farm, farm and then farm some more) so much more enjoyable? Was it knowing that once you had that BiS item, that you knew you were done with that slot? Was it so you could flex your e-peen (not meaning that as an insult) to your buddies? Was it something else?
I think the big clash between Blizz and the players is that Blizz made a game wherein there is no BiS due to the fact that they aimed to have this huge number of viable builds/skills that you could interchange and still be able to progress forward. A "play as you want to play" style if you will. The problem with that, at least in my opinion, is that that isn't what today's players are looking for.
The internet databases have changed -everything-. Players can now look up every item in the game, affixes, suffixes and determine what -the- best item is for each and every slot. I'd say WoW contributed a good bit to this attitude (be it good or bad). Players aren't playing to play what they enjoy so much as playing what puts out the best dps, or can kill the quickest, or can survive X, Y, and Z situations. At it's foundation, I believe the biggest issue is the disparity between the game Blizz developed and the game the players wanted it to be.
Well, the big difference with D2 is that you were constantly finding set pieces and uniques as you leveled through the game and farmed the end game; and those pieces are virtually always better than the rare/magic counterpart. The result was a sense of accomplishment when you found one. If Windforce was the best Bow in D2, that's what you strived for as an Amazon...and you would use other Uniques, etc., as you leveled and farmed.
In D3, they increased the drop rates of rares and strongly decreased the drop rates of sets and legendaries (they also decreased the value of sets and legendaries), so the best gear in the game right now is ideally rolled ilvl 63 rares. The problem with that is rares are unique to the roll. There's no "epeen" flexing to your buddies because the piece can't be duplicated...the piece doesn't even have a name. There's a huge difference, psychologically, between quipping a D2 SoJ and a D3 rare ring that's better than the SoJ, haha.The SoJ had a status in the community, the rare ring is meaningless.
Don't make stuff up. Everyone playing in late inferno are using almost exclusively gear they've bought from AH.
Wierd glitch with the font....
All the way up to Inferno I have found constant upgrades, little to no issue.
In Inferno its thinner findings to be sure, but I usually find a decent weapon or shield or helm, etc. Sometimes I find really good drops for a different class, etc.
Sure, Inferno needs the boost in the next patch, no question, but it just means more swag for me....
(125% MF + 5 stacks NV)
I play a monk and have no problem swapping before a kill.....soooooo.....
Don't make stuff up. I've spent a grand total of 500k on the AH and I'm in act 4, most gear I'm using I've found.
I understand that posting complaining topics generally means you are bad, but this is just so wrong that I feel the need to post.
Do you really think BoTD was the best weapon ? Sure shako was "BiS" for some classes, but godly rare scepters for a hdin or godly axes for a barb, godly circlets for every classes, those were the real money items. Shako was trash noob food.
You should also know that there are still uniques that are BiS in this game for pure IAS (as an example),like lacuni prowlers, andariel's visage/mempo of twilight, but I mean you don't even have a clue of what's going on in either of the games and act like you do.
Please do some research and then complain when you know the real problems.
Erm, I have 125mf in Inferno..... as a Barb......with a 2H Sword.
Yup, its hard, but I find sweet loot. (Not Act 4 loot mind you, but pretty good loot.)
I have alternate pieces of my set for when it gets too tough to handle, but Act 1 farming is EZ with the MF set, and certain parts of act 2 are good.
Changing my gear is an exploit?
Using MF is an exploit?
Not being an idiot is an exploit?
I can't figure out which of those three you are trying to imply. Regardless I did fine without MF, it just increases the rate of acquisition of useful items. Until they literally patch the game to make swapping out MF gear disallowed there is literally no reason to not do it.
If he's not using 3rd party software to hot-swap his gear, but rather opening his inventory and doing it manually during an encounter, how is that possibly an exploit?
I don't agree about your thoughts on d3 game play "adapting to the situation". From what I've seen you either go as far as you can into defensive and healing abilities, or stack so much damage that things don't get to hit you. Maybe the only thing that I've seen out side of that consists of kiting for ages, or relies so heavily on gear that you had to use one of main ways to play before that even works. The only thing that progresses you forward is buying better gear, and switching skills and losing your NV hinders that.
Exploit?