I personally dont care about modding, I enjoy D2 today with only the expansion. I have uninstalled it about 8 times in my life, and thats about 8 diffrent computers. Got it when it first came out. I have enjoyed Diablo 2 so much that its my no.1 favourite game of all time. It beats everything because Im no graphic freak, Im a gameplay freak.
I dont like the idea that people cant have mods, even if I dont play them.
Im pretty sure Blizzard have some plans for this, getting cash for you to mod on their server etc. and by using their tools for you to do it later on. It would be the next step in the businessplan if people shout it out too long.
Yeah, but, see, according to a lot of people here, I (we) shouldn't even be complaining (or QQ, in their terminology), I should just shut up and either play what I'm given, in they way I'm instructed, or don't play at all. Well, screw that.
I know the feeling.. For me the thorn in my eye is the "online play only" part, that sucks.
I have to say, the empathy level on this forum has to be on an all-time low. The amount of times I've read "I don't use it, so I'm glad it's out" is staggering. No big surprise, though.
It's especially funny when you read things like "MODS RUINED MY ONLINE BORDERLANDS EXPERIENCE!". So? What does that add to the discussion? Nobody's asking for mods in the main, bnet servers. What does this have to do with anything?
And it's funny how people feel that when a company takes a stance on what's best for their product, people think they have a right to tell them what to do. Diablo 3 belongs to Blizzard, and yeah, they are making it for their fanbase, but ultimately they will create it anyway they see fit. That is 100% their right, isn't it?
Who are we to dictate the usage to their intellectual property.
I've never felt the urge to write to an author to let him know I demand changes to his work, just because I disagree.
Really it's not so much a matter of empathy, more a case of apathy. This is Blizzard's choice and that's how it is.
You know what, people cracked WoW and created 3rd party servers. Perhaps the same will happen with D3. Then people can create their own second rate, illicit content.
I have to say, the empathy level on this forum has to be on an all-time low. The amount of times I've read "I don't use it, so I'm glad it's out" is staggering. No big surprise, though.
It's especially funny when you read things like "MODS RUINED MY ONLINE BORDERLANDS EXPERIENCE!". So? What does that add to the discussion? Nobody's asking for mods in the main, bnet servers. What does this have to do with anything?
Im pretty sure Blizzard have some plans for this, getting cash for you to mod on their server etc. and by using their tools for you to do it later on. It would be the next step in the businessplan if people shout it out too long.
Yeah, but, see, according to a lot of people here, I (we) shouldn't even be complaining (or QQ, in their terminology), I should just shut up and either play what I'm given, in they way I'm instructed, or don't play at all. Well, screw that.
It's a good (and kind of sad) point you raise. Ultimately, I think it boils down to the fact that gaming, and the expectations of gamers, has changed a lot since the golden PC years. EA and Activision have lead the massive corporate conglomeration of publishing, and in so doing, changed the gaming landscape such that end-users somehow feel more entitled, but less free.
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I've enjoyed mods in just about every mod-able game I've played. They are a great way for the end user to add/fix things the developers don't/can't. And that, is the key phrase "to add/fix things the developers don't/can't". There shouldn't be a need for mods as long as Blizzard keeps the game bug free, up to date, and feeling fresh with new content.
That being said, I voted yes. I might not nessisarily use mods, but I think more options are good. Perhaps Blizzard will opt, sometime down the road, to include a single player version (seperate from multiplayer). One can only hope, I suppose.
Benefits of Online only D3:
- They can monitor player activity which is a good thing for gameplay balance. Eg. 95% of players are dying to a certain boss or X boss drops bad loot etc
- They can tweak the game without us knowing (as they do in wow), hot fixes and such. This includes tweaks to loot drops, bosses, mob difficulty
- They have A LOT of random quests for overland areas. Online only allows them to add more of these as surprise us. They have already confirmed that there will be content patches before the Expansion.
- Significantly decreases the chance of cheating and increases the chances of detecting cheating. After the D2 economy imploded very early on with cheats and hacks, this reason alone makes online only mode a must.
To modders... I have enjoyed D2 mods, but I've also had very bad experiences with slow framerates and crashing because of the mods. For every great mod there are 20 bad ones out there. So IMO, I can do without them, its just not worth the effort and I prefer the pros of online only D3.
I'd prefer to leave mods out of Diablo III. It will open up the online sector to be even more easily exploited (which it will be anyway..., but I digress). I sort of agree with the above poster regarding mods as well, even for graphical UI mods there's only one or two great ones for every handful of trash mods you get. Installation is a bitch as well, and if Blizzard IS going to support mods you can be damn sure they're going to do a good job of doing it and I don't want that crap slowing down our overall release date.
I find absolutely no problem with playing Torchlight II for mod play. I'd prefer Diablo III remain vanilla.
Yeah because everything is a major corporate conspiracy, right?
Tel, have you listened to the last few Actibliz investor CCs and earnings CCs?
Listen to that Tippl guy for a few minutes on 'monetization' then get back to us on the subject.
In the bigger picture, is the rush towards the panopticon elements of the Facebook trend a conspiracy, or just a corporate herd mentality? That's hard to say. But what's obvious to me is that the goodwill of gamers was the foundation of the billions WoW has made, and sacrificing that in any way is just stupid.
Maybe they'll do it for an expansion - maybe we'll even see an offline mode in the future (if people ever stop playing the game) if you think about it, it's better to have modding tools after the game starts to get boring than right when it's released, innit?
It will open up the online sector to be even more easily exploited
Because only people with Dad's credit card have the God-given Amurikan right to exploit it!
I'm talking about bots screwing over the AH system man, ruining the economy, both gold and $ and overall making the game less fun. If you open source your code you're going to speed up development and increase the occurences of such trash flooding your game and making it less fun for everyone. Not really sure where Dad's credit card comes into all this, maybe you mistunderstood me.
Yeah because everything is a major corporate conspiracy, right?
Tel, have you listened to the last few Actibliz investor CCs and earnings CCs?
Listen to that Tippl guy for a few minutes on 'monetization' then get back to us on the subject.
In the bigger picture, is the rush towards the panopticon elements of the Facebook trend a conspiracy, or just a corporate herd mentality? That's hard to say. But what's obvious to me is that the goodwill of gamers was the foundation of the billions WoW has made, and sacrificing that in any way is just stupid.
God forbid the company making you games should desire some sort of economic satiation from you. IF you have a problem with the direction of their games, the only way to make a statement that will count is to not buy/support them. You can complain on the forums all you want about corporate greed, but we all stand to win if Blizzard is making more money.
Sidenote: Funny that someone named Gheed is complaining about greed, just thought it was kind of ironic
Love all these new guys with single digit posts defending the bliz corporate mindset.
That's cool, nothing wrong with having a job.
Because someone who doesn't have at least 500 posts can't possibly have a valid opinion.
The problem is that most of the people who are coming from WoW to D3 are confusing D3 with WoW. Diablo 3 has no connections to WoW at all, they are NOT the same game and just because Blizzard let you mod WoW doesn't mean they HAVE TO let you mod Diablo 3. If you like mod's so much go play D2 or WoW, but the end result is "too bad".
Tel, have you listened to the last few Actibliz investor CCs and earnings CCs?
Listen to that Tippl guy for a few minutes on 'monetization' then get back to us on the subject.
In the bigger picture, is the rush towards the panopticon elements of the Facebook trend a conspiracy, or just a corporate herd mentality? That's hard to say. But what's obvious to me is that the goodwill of gamers was the foundation of the billions WoW has made, and sacrificing that in any way is just stupid.
Look, when it comes to EA and Activision, then yeah, you cannot deny, it's about money. They are large corporations and need it to survive, it's just logical. To them it is a business, they are so way on the top that they have no perspective of the gamers.
However, when Activision took on Blizzard, they allowed them complete freedom, because they knew Blizzard makes good on their games. They go the extra mile, they love what they do and they're good at it.
If you disagree, then quickly go watch Black Soulstone again, and dare tell me there is no passion there. Go watch the Blizzcon lore panels, and dare tell me they feel nothing for their products. If you believe Blizzard doesn't love what they do and feel nothing for the art they create, then I can 100% say you are a fool.
I dont like the idea that people cant have mods, even if I dont play them.
Im pretty sure Blizzard have some plans for this, getting cash for you to mod on their server etc. and by using their tools for you to do it later on. It would be the next step in the businessplan if people shout it out too long.
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I know the feeling.. For me the thorn in my eye is the "online play only" part, that sucks.
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Who are we to dictate the usage to their intellectual property.
I've never felt the urge to write to an author to let him know I demand changes to his work, just because I disagree.
Really it's not so much a matter of empathy, more a case of apathy. This is Blizzard's choice and that's how it is.
You know what, people cracked WoW and created 3rd party servers. Perhaps the same will happen with D3. Then people can create their own second rate, illicit content.
It's a good (and kind of sad) point you raise. Ultimately, I think it boils down to the fact that gaming, and the expectations of gamers, has changed a lot since the golden PC years. EA and Activision have lead the massive corporate conglomeration of publishing, and in so doing, changed the gaming landscape such that end-users somehow feel more entitled, but less free.
-Thomas Jefferson
That being said, I voted yes. I might not nessisarily use mods, but I think more options are good. Perhaps Blizzard will opt, sometime down the road, to include a single player version (seperate from multiplayer). One can only hope, I suppose.
- They can monitor player activity which is a good thing for gameplay balance. Eg. 95% of players are dying to a certain boss or X boss drops bad loot etc
- They can tweak the game without us knowing (as they do in wow), hot fixes and such. This includes tweaks to loot drops, bosses, mob difficulty
- They have A LOT of random quests for overland areas. Online only allows them to add more of these as surprise us. They have already confirmed that there will be content patches before the Expansion.
- Significantly decreases the chance of cheating and increases the chances of detecting cheating. After the D2 economy imploded very early on with cheats and hacks, this reason alone makes online only mode a must.
To modders... I have enjoyed D2 mods, but I've also had very bad experiences with slow framerates and crashing because of the mods. For every great mod there are 20 bad ones out there. So IMO, I can do without them, its just not worth the effort and I prefer the pros of online only D3.
I find absolutely no problem with playing Torchlight II for mod play. I'd prefer Diablo III remain vanilla.
Tel, have you listened to the last few Actibliz investor CCs and earnings CCs?
Listen to that Tippl guy for a few minutes on 'monetization' then get back to us on the subject.
In the bigger picture, is the rush towards the panopticon elements of the Facebook trend a conspiracy, or just a corporate herd mentality? That's hard to say. But what's obvious to me is that the goodwill of gamers was the foundation of the billions WoW has made, and sacrificing that in any way is just stupid.
Because only people with Dad's credit card have the God-given Amurikan right to exploit it!
I'm talking about bots screwing over the AH system man, ruining the economy, both gold and $ and overall making the game less fun. If you open source your code you're going to speed up development and increase the occurences of such trash flooding your game and making it less fun for everyone. Not really sure where Dad's credit card comes into all this, maybe you mistunderstood me.
God forbid the company making you games should desire some sort of economic satiation from you. IF you have a problem with the direction of their games, the only way to make a statement that will count is to not buy/support them. You can complain on the forums all you want about corporate greed, but we all stand to win if Blizzard is making more money.
Sidenote: Funny that someone named Gheed is complaining about greed, just thought it was kind of ironic
That's cool, nothing wrong with having a job.
Really? An LOLPOSTCOUNT response? I guess we're done here.
Shame on me for joining the forums and posting I guess.
Because someone who doesn't have at least 500 posts can't possibly have a valid opinion.
The problem is that most of the people who are coming from WoW to D3 are confusing D3 with WoW. Diablo 3 has no connections to WoW at all, they are NOT the same game and just because Blizzard let you mod WoW doesn't mean they HAVE TO let you mod Diablo 3. If you like mod's so much go play D2 or WoW, but the end result is "too bad".
However, when Activision took on Blizzard, they allowed them complete freedom, because they knew Blizzard makes good on their games. They go the extra mile, they love what they do and they're good at it.
If you disagree, then quickly go watch Black Soulstone again, and dare tell me there is no passion there. Go watch the Blizzcon lore panels, and dare tell me they feel nothing for their products. If you believe Blizzard doesn't love what they do and feel nothing for the art they create, then I can 100% say you are a fool.
Com'on guys, you can do it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fEjJ4Ecy9Q
Modders already lost this debate years ago.
A QUADRILLION MAGIC FIND is worthless if you can't kill shit!