I am wondering at what phase in it's development did Diablo 3 turn into another WoW engine? It seemed to happen so gradually and subtly that no one noticed it... Blizzard should have just called this Diablo Online from the beginning or World of Diablo...
No offline mode at all anymore?
Modding now bannable, prohibited and against Terms of Service?
A real cash auction house?
Torchlight 2 keeps looking better and better. My support and respect for Blizzard seems to diminish with every announcement. Arrogance and complacency while stepping on and alienating minority fan-bases within your community never has a good end result... Just look at where Square-Enix is today; how the mighty have fallen.
I am wondering at what phase in it's development did Diablo 3 turn into another WoW engine? It seemed to happen so gradually and subtly that no one noticed it... Blizzard should have just called this Diablo Online from the beginning or World of Diablo...
No offline mode at all anymore?
Modding now bannable, prohibited and against Terms of Service?
A real cash auction house?
Torchlight 2 keeps looking better and better. My support and respect for Blizzard seems to diminish with every announcement. Arrogance and complacency while stepping on and alienating minority fan-bases within your community never has a good end result... Just look at where Square-Enix is today; how the mighty have fallen.
No offline mode, bad I agree.
Modding, don't care.
Real cash, don't mind and WoW doesn't have this.
Good lord people! Why are so many of you so opposed to change? You know, in an evolutionary sense, you would be the ones to die off first because you can't adapt to dynamic environments. ALSO, D3 isn't a MMORPG, and if you think it is, you clearly don't understand the definition thereof.
yeah im pretty sad with some turns here and there but d3 will still be a really great game, torchlight 2 cant be compared, i wont even buy it.
Real money trade is a pest and shouldnt be permited, greediness will be all over the place, it will be poker online but in diablo. People farming and not using the best gear, selling it for money.
No offline play, it pissed me off in starcraft 2 and it piss me off in diablo 3 too. At work i dont have internet, so on my lunch i wont be able to play. At the camping i dont have internet, so on rainy day or at night i wont be able to play. When we lose electricity (i play sometime on my portable) i wont be able to play. There is many more places where you cant really access internet on the fly, thus not being able to play a game that can have a solid single player campaign.. it pretty dumb
Blizzard making stupid choices doesn't make Torchlight any less shitty of a game.
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you had played Torchlight 2 before it's even been released. Try researching a topic before throwing out ignorance. Torchlight 1 was a novelty game. Torchlight 2 is an entirely different beast. And at least Runic cares about their fan-base and community and doesn't find new ways to step on them for the sole purpose of making an extra buck. You supporting and defending them only feeds them and lets them get away with these kind of insults time and time again. As well peoples attitude of "it doesn't effect me so I don't care, screw everyone else that it does effect" is a wonderful mentality to have.
Furthermore you can sense the mentality and friendliness of Runic's positive fanbase. As opposed to the negative, bitterness and constant arguing that's rampant throughout the Diablo 3 community, since Blizzard is working wonders at tearing it's own community apart.
ALSO, D3 isn't a MMORPG, and if you think it is, you clearly don't understand the definition thereof
The line between what isn't and is an MMORPG is getting blurrier. No offline mode, one official server to rule them all, mods being illegal... That's mmo enough as is... Furthermore, adapting and evolving. That's a load of BS. This has nothing to do with games "evolving" This has to do with greedy companies looking for a way to make extra money.
Offline mode was removed and mods were made prohibited for the sole reason because it will interfere with the Auction House and reduce revenue. This is about money, not some evolving process where all games have to be online and strictly controlled under the guise of trying to combat piracy and preventing people from being confused by too many options.
Good lord people! Why are so many of you so opposed to change? You know, in an evolutionary sense, you would be the ones to die off first because you can't adapt to dynamic environments. ALSO, D3 isn't a MMORPG, and if you think it is, you clearly don't understand the definition thereof.
You know, in an evolutionary sense, those who adapt wrong to the environment die off even quicker.
Good lord people! Why are so many of you so opposed to change? You know, in an evolutionary sense, you would be the ones to die off first because you can't adapt to dynamic environments. ALSO, D3 isn't a MMORPG, and if you think it is, you clearly don't understand the definition thereof.
You know, in an evolutionary sense, those who adapt wrong to the environment die off even quicker.
Correct, but being able to adapt in the first place enables you to stand a chance for survival in a dynamic world.
It's still nothing like an MMORPG. MM meaning massive multiplayer, which if you consider the very small amount you will have per lobby to be massive, then I guess? Also, I can't think of any MMORPG out there that allows players to sell for real cash. In every other game, its the company whose selling gear for profit.
Doing everything the fans are asking you to doesn't necessarily make your game good. Just saying.
Blizzard always took bold to controversial decisions that ended up working very well and were immitated by others after they succeeded.
It's still nothing like an MMORPG. MM meaning massive multiplayer, which if you consider the very small amount you will have per lobby to be massive, then I guess? Also, I can't think of any MMORPG out there that allows players to sell for real cash. In every other game, its the company whose selling gear for profit.
They're still getting profit, so I don't see the difference, except that they're giving a massive global incentive to do it more.
And I've seen room based games called MMOs. Rakion for instance.
Doing everything the fans are asking you to doesn't necessarily make your game good. Just saying.
Blizzard always took bold to controversial decisions that ended up working very well and were immitated by others after they succeeded.
No offline mode at all anymore?
Log in, start game. It isnt hard? You do have a normal internet do you, and not something you pay just to get connected do you?
Modding now bannable, prohibited and against Terms of Service?
They welcome mods, its just with some terms.
A real cash auction house?
You dont have to use it, Diablo 2 HAS auction houses too. Did those destroy the game some years ago??
It's still nothing like an MMORPG. MM meaning massive multiplayer, which if you consider the very small amount you will have per lobby to be massive, then I guess? Also, I can't think of any MMORPG out there that allows players to sell for real cash. In every other game, its the company whose selling gear for profit.
They're still getting profit, so I don't see the difference, except that they're giving a massive global incentive to do it more.
And I've seen room based games called MMOs. Rakion for instance.
So if they get more profit, they'll have more money to through at resources to make more and better Blizzard games! What is the problem here? They aren't forcing your hand to pay for things, it's all up to you.
It's still nothing like an MMORPG. MM meaning massive multiplayer, which if you consider the very small amount you will have per lobby to be massive, then I guess? Also, I can't think of any MMORPG out there that allows players to sell for real cash. In every other game, its the company whose selling gear for profit.
They're still getting profit, so I don't see the difference, except that they're giving a massive global incentive to do it more.
And I've seen room based games called MMOs. Rakion for instance.
I guess if you count the taxing as making profit, but I believe that is also part of a legal concern. Even if people are making money via online, the government is still going to tax you for what you make, I believe blizzard does this to avoid players getting in trouble or having to deal with legal issues over a game that made them some cash.
So if they get more profit, they'll have more money to through at resources to make more and better Blizzard games! What is the problem here? They aren't forcing your hand to pay for things, it's all up to you.
They made a decision to fill their pockets, a decision which will have an inevitable negative impact. This proves to me that they don't care about their players, and that is all I need to hate it.
A company that doesn't aim to make money is a company about to go bankrupt.
As long as they continue to make awesome games and keep those features optional, they're not at fault.
A company that doesn't aim to make money is a company about to go bankrupt.
As long as they continue to make awesome games and keep those features optional, they're not at fault.
Keep thinking that.
This isn't just about money. If companies prefer money above all else, then companies deserve all the blame they get. I thought we were human beings, not a bunch of machines competing for maximum efficiency.
A company that doesn't aim to make money is a company about to go bankrupt.
As long as they continue to make awesome games and keep those features optional, they're not at fault.
Modding now bannable, prohibited and against Terms of Service?
They welcome mods, its just with some terms.
Guessing you didn't read the latest announcement that mods of any kind are prohibited, bannable and against the ToS now... They were fine before, just not supported. Developers even said they wouldn't support it, but if we wanted to mod; go right ahead... Since the announcement of the Auction House and removal of Offline Single Player their stance on modding has shifted completely.
Further more this is not evolving; if anything this is de-evolution. Stripping and limiting features, stepping on minority fanbases within your community, alienating people and turning them against one another, offering a strictly controlled server as the only way to play the game legally be it single player or multiplayer... All this for the sole purpose of making an extra buck through their Auction House.
If this is evolution I'd rather go extinct. Maybe TL2 wont be as big, or as epic or as amazing as D3, but it will still be a great game and it's developers actually care about their fan-base and are putting it's community ahead of profit... Plus the community is far friendlier and positive compared to the amount of fighting, negativity and bitterness that is rampant in the Diablo community... Something Blizzard has provoked time and time again.
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No offline mode at all anymore?
Modding now bannable, prohibited and against Terms of Service?
A real cash auction house?
Torchlight 2 keeps looking better and better. My support and respect for Blizzard seems to diminish with every announcement. Arrogance and complacency while stepping on and alienating minority fan-bases within your community never has a good end result... Just look at where Square-Enix is today; how the mighty have fallen.
No offline mode, bad I agree.
Modding, don't care.
Real cash, don't mind and WoW doesn't have this.
Torchlight sucks.
Real money trade is a pest and shouldnt be permited, greediness will be all over the place, it will be poker online but in diablo. People farming and not using the best gear, selling it for money.
No offline play, it pissed me off in starcraft 2 and it piss me off in diablo 3 too. At work i dont have internet, so on my lunch i wont be able to play. At the camping i dont have internet, so on rainy day or at night i wont be able to play. When we lose electricity (i play sometime on my portable) i wont be able to play. There is many more places where you cant really access internet on the fly, thus not being able to play a game that can have a solid single player campaign.. it pretty dumb
Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you had played Torchlight 2 before it's even been released. Try researching a topic before throwing out ignorance. Torchlight 1 was a novelty game. Torchlight 2 is an entirely different beast. And at least Runic cares about their fan-base and community and doesn't find new ways to step on them for the sole purpose of making an extra buck. You supporting and defending them only feeds them and lets them get away with these kind of insults time and time again. As well peoples attitude of "it doesn't effect me so I don't care, screw everyone else that it does effect" is a wonderful mentality to have.
Furthermore you can sense the mentality and friendliness of Runic's positive fanbase. As opposed to the negative, bitterness and constant arguing that's rampant throughout the Diablo 3 community, since Blizzard is working wonders at tearing it's own community apart.
The line between what isn't and is an MMORPG is getting blurrier. No offline mode, one official server to rule them all, mods being illegal... That's mmo enough as is... Furthermore, adapting and evolving. That's a load of BS. This has nothing to do with games "evolving" This has to do with greedy companies looking for a way to make extra money.
Offline mode was removed and mods were made prohibited for the sole reason because it will interfere with the Auction House and reduce revenue. This is about money, not some evolving process where all games have to be online and strictly controlled under the guise of trying to combat piracy and preventing people from being confused by too many options.
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Correct, but being able to adapt in the first place enables you to stand a chance for survival in a dynamic world.
Blizzard always took bold to controversial decisions that ended up working very well and were immitated by others after they succeeded.
And I've seen room based games called MMOs. Rakion for instance.
Couldn't have said it better myself!
Log in, start game. It isnt hard? You do have a normal internet do you, and not something you pay just to get connected do you?
Modding now bannable, prohibited and against Terms of Service?
They welcome mods, its just with some terms.
A real cash auction house?
You dont have to use it, Diablo 2 HAS auction houses too. Did those destroy the game some years ago??
Naah, no worries. D3 is awesome!
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So if they get more profit, they'll have more money to through at resources to make more and better Blizzard games! What is the problem here? They aren't forcing your hand to pay for things, it's all up to you.
I guess if you count the taxing as making profit, but I believe that is also part of a legal concern. Even if people are making money via online, the government is still going to tax you for what you make, I believe blizzard does this to avoid players getting in trouble or having to deal with legal issues over a game that made them some cash.
As long as they continue to make awesome games and keep those features optional, they're not at fault.
This isn't just about money. If companies prefer money above all else, then companies deserve all the blame they get. I thought we were human beings, not a bunch of machines competing for maximum efficiency.
Guessing you didn't read the latest announcement that mods of any kind are prohibited, bannable and against the ToS now... They were fine before, just not supported. Developers even said they wouldn't support it, but if we wanted to mod; go right ahead... Since the announcement of the Auction House and removal of Offline Single Player their stance on modding has shifted completely.
Further more this is not evolving; if anything this is de-evolution. Stripping and limiting features, stepping on minority fanbases within your community, alienating people and turning them against one another, offering a strictly controlled server as the only way to play the game legally be it single player or multiplayer... All this for the sole purpose of making an extra buck through their Auction House.
If this is evolution I'd rather go extinct. Maybe TL2 wont be as big, or as epic or as amazing as D3, but it will still be a great game and it's developers actually care about their fan-base and are putting it's community ahead of profit... Plus the community is far friendlier and positive compared to the amount of fighting, negativity and bitterness that is rampant in the Diablo community... Something Blizzard has provoked time and time again.