Diablo 3 Press Event Visit

  • #81
    I think people are really overreacting about the real money auction house. You don't HAVE to spend real money to do well in the game. The RMAH will potentially earn more money for Blizzard which means that Diablo 3 will have a means of supporting itself and paying for the cost of running the servers. Would you rather have this or paid subscription? Battle.net 2.0 is not a cheap system to operate. WoW has monthly subscription and SC2 has e-sports money.

    Why would you get offended by the idea of someone who paid for their items being further than you? That same thing was rampant in Diablo 2. Besides, if you spend time farming and selling your wares on the RMAH, you can use the e-currency to buy the items you need.
  • #82
    People are ignoring the fact that you can't cash out the money in real life. D3 won't turn into a business because there is no business incentive. In fact the RMAH may be an effective tool in limiting the number of people who attempt to play the game solely for the purpose of farming stuff and selling it for real money.
  • #83
    Quote from Hpnot1Q

    Ok mate, lets say, i am actualy misreading something here, but could you please PLEASE point me out what exactly i am missreading in the following:

    '' We are also planning to allow players to buy and sell characters in the auction house at some point in the future and will have more details to share on that at a later date. ''

    It's just a "we plan to look into this in the future". Nothing is yet guaranteed and there's no details.
  • #84
    Quote from PhrozenDragon

    You're Hpnot1q, they plan to allow it in the future, essentially switcing characters between accounts.

    Yes sir i am.

    I sure hope so, i dont want to see characters for sale on the AH, rather transfere a character from one of My accounts to another.

    Annyhow who ever sayd that, i think Jay did, has done an awefull job in the explanation, becuz it did conuse me big time.
  • #85
    Quote from Don_guillotine

    Quote from Hpnot1Q

    Ok mate, lets say, i am actualy misreading something here, but could you please PLEASE point me out what exactly i am missreading in the following:

    '' We are also planning to allow players to buy and sell characters in the auction house at some point in the future and will have more details to share on that at a later date. ''

    It's just a "we plan to look into this in the future". Nothing is yet guaranteed and there's no details.

    Lets just pray they dont do it.
  • #86
    Reading that D3 will have a Money-Based AH literally makes me sick to my stomach. Someone that starts the game 6 months late, but has $100 to blow, will suddenly be more geared than me (who will have started on day one). Or some lazy-fat kid is going to be better geared than me because he mommy will buy him everything. You might say "well you can buy items too" -- no! Fuck that, I refuse to by virtual items. I will also refuse to sell virtual items for real money. I will refuse to play with anyone that spends real money on items. Thanks Blizzard for this absolutely stupid new system. And wow, yeah, lets just let complete noobs buy a character. Fucking brilliant Blizzard (I hate you). You might have just turned me into a SWTOR fan... or maybe Guild Wars 2.
  • #87
    Quote from Ethezial

    I don't see why people have their panties in a wad over the RMT AH. People did the same thing in DII, only 3rd party sites were used instead. Why shouldn't Blizzard do this? I think it's a great idea actually because now Blizzard can monitor it, and people will not get ripped off.

    Anyway, everything I've seen looks completely awesome. I don't really know how I feel about the skill system. I'll just have to play it and find out whether I like it or not.

    Nope, you don't understand. All the best items will be sold exclusively on the RMAH. Why? Because demand will be equal in both currencies (real money and in-game gold (IGG)). So it would be foolish not to make some scratch.

    All the item farmers who would have been loading up the IGG AH will now all post their items on the RMAH. So everyone will be FORCED to use the RMAH for everything useful, and the IGG AH will quickly become a dump-heap.

    Don't believe me? Wait a while. List me one SINGLE country in the world that uses more than one currency in their own economy. Then tell me how well that economy is working. You cannot maintain a bounded economy with multiple currencies and no control over exchange rate (you can buy/sell IGG with/for RM).

    The bottom line is, 3rd party web sites were not the norm, they were corner case because D2 gold WAS USELESS DUE TO BAD DESIGN. Instead of making gold viable in D3, they have admitted defeat and ENCOURAGED people to carry on the RM mindset. Why? Because they figured out a way to profit from it, and what with WoW subscriptions plummeting, I'm sure kotick has jay wilson's nuts in a vice.
    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
    -Thomas Jefferson
  • #88
    Quote from AlexanderZero

    People are ignoring the fact that you can't cash out the money in real life. D3 won't turn into a business because there is no business incentive. In fact the RMAH may be an effective tool in limiting the number of people who attempt to play the game solely for the purpose of farming stuff and selling it for real money.
    Proof? If you won't be able to cash out the money, than what's the point? It will be the same as buying some gold.
  • #89
    Quote from Dolaiim

    Quote from Ethezial

    I don't see why people have their panties in a wad over the RMT AH. People did the same thing in DII, only 3rd party sites were used instead. Why shouldn't Blizzard do this? I think it's a great idea actually because now Blizzard can monitor it, and people will not get ripped off.

    Anyway, everything I've seen looks completely awesome. I don't really know how I feel about the skill system. I'll just have to play it and find out whether I like it or not.

    Nope, you don't understand. All the best items will be sold exclusively on the RMAH. Why? Because demand will be equal in both currencies (real money and in-game gold (IGG)). So it would be foolish not to make some scratch.

    All the item farmers who would have been loading up the IGG AH will now all post their items on the RMAH. So everyone will be FORCED to use the RMAH for everything useful, and the IGG AH will quickly become a dump-heap.

    Don't believe me? Wait a while. List me one SINGLE country in the world that uses more than one currency in their own economy. Then tell me how well that economy is working. You cannot maintain a bounded economy with multiple currencies and no control over exchange rate (you can buy/sell IGG with/for RM).

    The bottom line is, 3rd party web sites were not the norm, they were corner case because D3 gold WAS USELESS DUE TO BAD DESIGN. Instead of making gold viable in D3, they have admitted defeat and ENCOURAGED people to carry on the RM mindset. Why? Because they figured out a way to profit from it, and what with WoW subscriptions plummeting, I'm sure kotick has jay wilson's nuts in a vice.

    Comparing an in-game currency system with a real-world economy is a fucking ludic fallacy.

    Also, look at the entire continent of Europe. Most every country accepts their own currency and Euros, and most places also accept American dollars.
  • #90
    Quote from Dolaiim

    Nope, you don't understand. All the best items will be sold exclusively on the RMAH. Why? Because demand will be equal in both currencies (real money and in-game gold (IGG)). So it would be foolish not to make some scratch.

    All the item farmers who would have been loading up the IGG AH will now all post their items on the RMAH. So everyone will be FORCED to use the RMAH for everything useful, and the IGG AH will quickly become a dump-heap.

    Don't believe me? Wait a while. List me one SINGLE country in the world that uses more than one currency in their own economy. Then tell me how well that economy is working. You cannot maintain a bounded economy with multiple currencies and no control over exchange rate (you can buy/sell IGG with/for RM).

    The bottom line is, 3rd party web sites were not the norm, they were corner case because D3 gold WAS USELESS DUE TO BAD DESIGN. Instead of making gold viable in D3, they have admitted defeat and ENCOURAGED people to carry on the RM mindset. Why? Because they figured out a way to profit from it, and what with WoW subscriptions plummeting, I'm sure kotick has jay wilson's nuts in a vice.

    As someone who knows my share of economics, I'm not sure whether in-game gold can work as a currency in a game like D3 where there is no proper supply. Supply is just an artificial result of time elapsed times drop chance. There's no sensible way to not make gold inflate with a very special pseudo-economy that Diablo has (no professions, and fully random drops).

    All the RM AH does is copy the idea of D2JSP and make it safe and Blizzard-controlled. I don't see the point in paying for items but D2JSP had a really nice and stable trading economy. "Forum gold 2.0" will be the standard of trading and nobody is forcing anybody to pay their own money for anything.
  • #91
    Most awesomeness, A lot of new features that have never been seen before. I purely love the new stuff. Let's try them all out, and have fun!
    Hey You, What is your mission?
  • #92
    Quote from Crypto137

    Quote from AlexanderZero

    People are ignoring the fact that you can't cash out the money in real life. D3 won't turn into a business because there is no business incentive. In fact the RMAH may be an effective tool in limiting the number of people who attempt to play the game solely for the purpose of farming stuff and selling it for real money.
    Proof? If you won't be able to cash out the money, than what's the point? It will be the same as buying some gold.

    Hmm there are actually conflicting bits of information here. In the recap video they say you can't cash out, but in the FAQ it says you can cash out. Now I'm just confused.

    EDIT: And to all the people whining about being surpassed by people who spend real money. Is your e-peen big enough yet?
  • #93
    I play video games to have fun and get away from reality(to roleplay, that's why it's called an rpg), the thought that people can buy items off of sites always irked me and made me want to play single player. Real money makes me think of reality, and it saddens me the company itself is now using money to be an integral part of trading. It's ironic how they've been trying to push for improved multiplayer and getting people to play it, yet this is something that repulses me away from playing with others. It's like the guy above posted, you go to work to make money, not play some video game.
    This will most likely make me play hardcore and still continue down my mostly singleplayer path.

    The other new things weren't even exciting enough that this new info has underwhelmed me more than any past information announcement. I stayed up until midnight for this <_
  • #94
    Quote from dewpdoop

    Quote from Dolaiim

    Quote from Ethezial

    I don't see why people have their panties in a wad over the RMT AH. People did the same thing in DII, only 3rd party sites were used instead. Why shouldn't Blizzard do this? I think it's a great idea actually because now Blizzard can monitor it, and people will not get ripped off.

    Anyway, everything I've seen looks completely awesome. I don't really know how I feel about the skill system. I'll just have to play it and find out whether I like it or not.

    Nope, you don't understand. All the best items will be sold exclusively on the RMAH. Why? Because demand will be equal in both currencies (real money and in-game gold (IGG)). So it would be foolish not to make some scratch.

    All the item farmers who would have been loading up the IGG AH will now all post their items on the RMAH. So everyone will be FORCED to use the RMAH for everything useful, and the IGG AH will quickly become a dump-heap.

    Don't believe me? Wait a while. List me one SINGLE country in the world that uses more than one currency in their own economy. Then tell me how well that economy is working. You cannot maintain a bounded economy with multiple currencies and no control over exchange rate (you can buy/sell IGG with/for RM).

    The bottom line is, 3rd party web sites were not the norm, they were corner case because D3 gold WAS USELESS DUE TO BAD DESIGN. Instead of making gold viable in D3, they have admitted defeat and ENCOURAGED people to carry on the RM mindset. Why? Because they figured out a way to profit from it, and what with WoW subscriptions plummeting, I'm sure kotick has jay wilson's nuts in a vice.

    Comparing an in-game currency system with a real-world economy is a fucking ludic fallacy.

    Also, look at the entire continent of Europe. Most every country accepts their own currency and Euros, and most places also accept American dollars.

    Nope, it's not pal. The models follow the SAME EXACT rules and functions. Pro tip: cuss words don't strengthen your argument, this isn't high school.

    Do you have ANY IDEA what a crisis the Euro has caused in Europe? Heard any of the news about Greece? Italy? Spain? ETC ETC?? I clap hands sarcastically in your general direction.
    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
    -Thomas Jefferson
  • #95
    WOW

    Today was the first time I read diablo 3 news and actually thought: I might not play this game at all, this game isn't for me.

    1. The little PvP that was in just got completely destroyed for me.
    I didn't ask for:
    - super balance (because I understand this is a PvE game first and foremost and PvP is just a side order)
    - special gear for PvP players
    - blizzcon diablo 3 arena tournament
    - special achivements
    - to be able to actually see my MMR

    the ONLY thing I asked for was some sort of ladder system (like Starcraft 2) so that I can try to become "better" and reach a higher league. Now when that is thrown out of the window I see no reason at all for me to purchase this game actually.

    2. To see Blizzard take the step with the real money auction house made me sad. WoW has 3rd party systems selling characters, that doesn't mean Blizzard should implement one. If they want to do micro transactions they could find other ways of doing it. This is only leeching on the community, specially players that play maybe more than they should to try and earn a dollar or two.

    Today was the worst day in d3 and underwhealmed is and dissapointed is the only thing I feel :(
  • #96
    No skill points, that's just stupid!
    Your mom' is awesome , i know ;)
  • #97
    Quote from Don_guillotine

    Quote from FingolfinGR

    I'm quite happy with the Auction House. This way I can make some money out of the game I'll be playing for years in a quite safe and legal way.

    The amount of information given was (finally) huge too!

    Yes, in essence, the real money AH does not differ significantly from 3rd-party trading sites like D2JSP conceptually. It will just be infinitely safer and the destination of the cash is better known.

    I raged for 15 minutes myself when I learned about this. But then I started to think about D2JSP and how the economy there worked and was stable mostly due to the real money stopping any gigantic inflation.

    Knowing full well just how rampant real world trading was in Diablo 2 all I can say is that this is great.

    As I think the game will be relatively unhackable you won't have to worry about duped items, and there won't be exorbitant prices on items that the site claims aren't duped, everything being sold you know you're getting for real. Plus you can sell your items on the real money AH, you will get money with which you can put back into the game.

    The fact is Diablo 2 had real world trading, and lots of it. So they put the system in and made it safe, and legit, and AH's in general are a great idea for Diablo 2 as it was very hard to sell items in D2 that weren't amazing (but still somewhat valuable) and you always had to worry that what you were getting was duped.

    Mostly I support this based on these things:

    • No duped items
    • People would pay for items anyway
    • People would pay for gold anyway to buy things on the AH, making it no different from spending real money on the game
    • Auction houses for this game are awesome
    • People would sell and buy characters/accounts anyway, happens all the time in wow, less so in D2 due to ease of leveling up a character and who wants to pay for what is not a huge time investment
    • Realistically, who can remember having it easy in the D2 economy? It wasn't easy. Everyone with lots of extremely valuable stuff either botted or bought it off people who botted, it was a botting problem
    • I am rather assuming there will be no bots in the game
    • It is not a full-on microtransaction system, Blizzard is not putting any items artificially into the game, everything on the AH will have been dropped and found by players

    On a side note: I wonder if you can sell gold on the gold-orientated AH? :P
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  • #98
    That's an interesting reading, good job! :)

    I'm a bit worried about runes, maybe my poor grasp of language did'n let me understand it properly but the explanation got me confused and worried.
    Also, they changed (again) skills and traits.
    Seems like they can't make up their minds and keep changing stuff.
    I hope for the better and look forward to beta reportages to get a better idea.
  • #99
    Quote from Vaenror

    underwhelming, and no skill points and the real money auction house made me NOT buy the game, thx blizzard for screwing up again your once awesome games. long road to ruin!

    Some1 PLZ bring back BLIZZARD NORTH.
    These P********P are destroying one of the best games ever..

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  • #100
    Well when it comes to AH, i could not care less but taking away the ability to choose which path on your tree to take and what abilities to learn is just stupid. the list that i hate so far is:


    • No 5 points system for atributes like ability, energy etc...
    • no skillpoints, my skills are choosen for me

    So the question is, why is this called a rpg again? the only thing i have to choose is my items but the rest is automated.
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