My appologies for the lengthy post. Alot of stupid things to reply to.
Quote from "shelledfade" »
Can we ride in a hummer with a 50 cal mounted on the top of it also with our "hand cannons"?
Maybe Arnold Schwarzenegger can make an appearance in the game as well dressed as the "commando"?
That would be really CooOoOL if when fighting diablo he uses "hand cannons" on you and rocket launchers on his shoulders also would it not?
Seriously guys, that would just be so CooOoOOOooOL ?? rofl.
Yay for hand cannons even though Long bows are 10x more powerful and accurate. Hurrayzumz, YaY!
Quote from "LinkX" »
I agree. And we can do the same with Bows, because a Long Bow would do way more damage then a hand cannon of the same era.
FUCK BOWS! TAKE ALL RANGED WEAPONS OUT!!! *eye roll* Idiots...the whole lot...
I repeat, idiot...
Quote from "Arbedark" »
Seriously though, why no to guns solely based on being "underpowered" compared to a bow? A leather cap provides less protection than a steel helm, yet both are in D2...
Come up with a half decent argument before deriding something next time...
I concur, let's take out leather caps! Hyuuck!
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For how strong hand cannons were back in the day, you would have to stand 3 feet away from someone, wearing nothing but cloth, for it to be affective, and even then it would miss just miss. How would that go through a magical shield, plate or mail armor, Would it go through heavy leather? Possibly, it i find it strange that kevlar nowadays can stop a modern pistol bullet, but not a high powered arrow. So what is a hand cannon really going to do in the diablo universe, vs a magical arrow from a longbow? Whats next, magical hand cannon bullets rofl? Theres no place for it in the diablo universe.
I agree, there is no room for stronger weapons in Diablo. I mean, I know when I made my first bowazon I started out with a Faith bow, forget those little insignificant bows. Right.
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Thats how far the bullet will go, where it lands when it hits is completely another story. So while you shoot one of those at my ranger class, and miss by 15 feet, it will take you 2-3 minutes to reload, while my longbow arrows is already sticking out of your arm, and the 2nd one already coming at your forhead. Have you not seen the new rambo movie? Compare his skills with someone using a hand cannon. No chance friend, sorry.
Just stop right there. Just stop. If you want realistic speed of firing then you have to make bows reloading not take 0.2 seconds. That's just goddamned bullshit and hypocracy right there.
Quote from "Veritech017" »
It's a MAGIC bow.
Also, this is a pretty good reason for why an arquebus is unwieldy in single combat:
And guns wouldn't have the same magic as bows or spears or swords or javalins or anything else. That makes a load of sense...
Well not really, actually completely stupid and hypocratic...
Quote from "Arbedark" »
And why can't there be a MAGIC hand cannon?
Anyway, crossbows were unwieldly in the middle ages, yet no one minds them being able to shoot at over 2 shots a second in D2...
They don't care because hollywood says that that is how it was. Plus...well I wont continue that, it could be considered flame... *Eye roll.*
Quote from "Veritech017" »
Magic arquebus would need a lot of magic, for the powder, ball, and gun itself.
Now, I could see the idea for a gun that fires magical spells. Like a cannon of fireball, or cannon of glacial spike. But those might be on the overpowered side and eliminate the need for a mage class.
Lets do the same with bows! "Fire bow of Meteor". Right...
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Nothing wrong with hand cannons acting almost identically to crossbows in D3 in my opinon, just adding a bit of variety and showing that larzuks idea took off.
FUCKING THANKYOU! And now someone bitch about being too many weapons so I can point out how bows and crossbows are just as similar.
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Because you wouldnt be able to ? I find that a great argument, go prove me wrong, run along now little kitty and make the petition, I really dont believe it would get over 100 signs.
You sir, are why the intellegent people are leaving this forum for brighter horizons...
Quote from "Silisquish" »
That's beside the point. When I play a medieval fantasy sword-and-magic game like Diablo, I want to really feel like I'm in another world and era. Any kind of gun ruins that. Besides, the early canons were so ineffective and dangerous, what's the point other than ruining the Dark Age feel?
...Maybe rockets (modified fireworks) and large canons (for castles, large ships) would be okay.
But I fear if they introduce handguns they might introduce more advanced technology into the game, and just having guns means we'd be in a historically different timeline - I don't know what repercussions that would have
Because historically accurate firearms are so much more unrealistic then a bow that shoots every 0.2 seconds right?
If you want realistic get rid of the magic and the ias and fcr and all that. Bring back the slow reloading of bows and crossbows, and make sure that you cannot hold 350 arrows in one arrow pouch.
Hey guys, lets go grab out pistols and cap some diablo ass!?!?
uh. sorry. no thanks.
Quote from "LinkX" »
I agree. And we can do the same with Bows, because a Long Bow would do way more damage then a hand cannon of the same era.
FUCK BOWS! TAKE ALL RANGED WEAPONS OUT!!! *eye roll* Idiots...the whole lot...
Seriously, can ANYONE READ?? We are not talking about a 9mm glock or a 10 guage shotgun, we are talking about goddamned historically accute guns. Jesus fucking christ.
Speak of the devil... Just talking about this thread...
Quote from "brocko" »
Guns in Diablo could be pretty amusing actually, provided that they're there for shits and giggles rather than as a core part of the gameplay imo. Slap em with like a 80% miss rate but massive damage, 1 hit KO's or something along those lines and we could be install for some pretty fun gun fights in DIII
They can make it so that there's only a total of say one or two guns you can find in the whole game. Make em unique drops like someone mentioned earlier on in the thread (sorry I forgot your name!), or an easter egg item like Wirts Legs or even a quest/'adventures' item if you wanted to
I agree. And we can do the same with Bows, because a Long Bow would do way more damage then a hand cannon of the same era.
FUCK BOWS! TAKE ALL RANGED WEAPONS OUT!!! *eye roll* Idiots...the whole lot...
I don't mind simple guns (aka WoW), but bazookas and vehicles (bicycles) is a bit too innovative. Bikes are along the same lines as mounts, which I also don't want to see due to bad implementation of combat in most games excluding M&B. Bazookas would be hard to balance against other weapons, nor would they be really found among such weapons. It would break the immersion for me.
Actually, M&B's mounts were pretty bad. They were hard to stear and akin to GTA's cars on the PC. Then add fighting, and you got a mess...
If mounts are in D3, I would hope that Blizzard did mounts far far better.
Quote from "MetalFace" »
good post. well thought out. i think its entirely possible but not very probable.
but then again what do i know?
(nothing)
It's plausable, and very realistic if put in a historical sense. But not probable, no. Blizzard will stay with a generic hack and slash most likely. Hopefully though someone will make a single player mod that will add firearms akin to handcannons...
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aww don't put yourself down, metal! That's not very metal at all
Agreed. Putting yourself down is stupid. You should stand up for yourself. You are a living being and deserve respect. Now demand it!
The cannon mounted on a bicycle was a troll/flame/whatever against the whole gun debate. The mods, I assume, found it funny to merge it with the more serious discussion of classical firearms. Either that or the moderator(s) in question find it all stupid, which then is bias in moderating. Either way, the bicycle thread should of been deleted, not merged.
Yes, hand cannons could be implimented, and people would love it. Just like they will love the graphical direction when it comes out.
That's true but Asia was a lot farther away then lets say... Xiansai as I assume that's the most likely place.
Sure we have nothing to scale this by it just seems so.
Anyway I'm sure even in Europe they had heard rumors of such things but dismissed it as a lot of different things.
That's probably how some of the eastern magic rumors got started. Explosives.
Well, considering the Silk road takes a month or so to travel, and D2 consists of about a month, and that the distance between Asia and Europe is comparable to Xiansai and Westmarch (from simply looking at the map, that is...) it would make sense that they would begin to show up about half way through the game.
Ok, say hypothetically that Larzuk can't make it. Why would he be the only one that could come up with the idea? Who is to say that they arn't already around, just not in the areas we explored? Remember, we explored a very small part of Sanctuary.
let me open more(does that make sense?) i dont like when medieval games go and use guns all of a suddon, like in medieval series i never like using guns, cause it wasnt as fun. and im not saying its bad for all games, but i like having medieval games how they were in real life(except for magic of course)
Well, I understand that. And that is why I was talking about a hand cannon of that era. It would, in fact, fit in with the other weapons as those weapons would be used in that time frame.
(Yes, they arn't common in Hollywood, but Hollywood fucks alot of stuff up. So...)
Quote from "shelledfade" »
Yeah how Bout I drive my hummer GTA style with a full crew and we go stomping demons with our "hand cannons".
I just hope we dont get leveled by a meteor while our crappy bullets are bouncing off of there skins.
yo dat is RIBS yo.
Yo yo yo waz up G-dawg. You iz an idiot who cant read dawg.
Yo yo yo G-dawg, I don't like reading your posts so you iz blocked G-dawg.
A group of Fallen with a handcannon firing once at the town then standing there laughing for a few seconds before they realize it has to be reloaded and they don't know how.
That would be funny as hell. (That's why they use swords. "Now listen, all you have to do is swing this and it hurts them. Ok?" Lol.)
Quote from "Warlord55" »
this would be the stupidest idea ever... EVER!!
It's just as stupid as using bows or axes.
Can you explain why it would be any stupider then using a bow or axe?
Is it just me or is this the most close minded forum on the internet?... (Not you Warlord, just members in general.)
I've realized since about page 4 we were talking about handcannons.
I still don't really like the idea. I don't really know why exactly. Just puts me off.
It would be hilarious to see some demons try to do a driveby on a town with one of those though.
(I think I have to put a picture of a handcannon up every 10 posts, so that people remember what a goddamn handcannon is. Not you, just idiots who don't read the entire thread.)
First, don't change it to orange and I won't make my stuff black, black is hard to read on one theme just like orange and white is hard to read on the other.
Second, how would you do a drive by with a handcannon? That makes no sense. Hand cannons are primitive, even compared to flintlock and matchlock muskets.
THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU WOULD FREAKING FIND IN CoD OR HALO OR HELLGATE OR WHATEVER THE FUDGE YOU ARE SPOUTING!!!
*Takes a deep breath.* Listen, nobody want's AK47's, they want historically accurate weaponry. I would be shocked and pissed if bows of today were in Diablo. It's all about historical accuracy and how they are implemented.
That wasn't the point I was trying to make at all. Of course there is room for different weapons that do similar things.
I was saying when people think HacknSlash they don't think of guns. And as we all know a lot of people are greatly put off by things they don't expect. Especially in this matter. Some like the idea some completely hate it.
Actually I'd bet Frostmourne was based off of Norse mythology.
Every game I have played that had runes as attributed them with magic (even before LOD). It's not like LOD made this up.
It goes on and on, but my point is runes have been associated with magic for a LONG time.
Diablo didn't make the idea, trust me, the rune thing of Diablo is the raping of my ancestors, so I know a little about that. But Diablo DID popularize it. Diablo brought it to the masses. Diablo brought alot to the masses.
Also, people don't expect alot when they get a game, but usually they enjoy it anyway. I didn't expect Assassins Creed to be about memories, but it was. And I certainly enjoyed what I got to play of it.
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I repeat, idiot...
I concur, let's take out leather caps! Hyuuck!
I agree, there is no room for stronger weapons in Diablo. I mean, I know when I made my first bowazon I started out with a Faith bow, forget those little insignificant bows. Right.
Just stop right there. Just stop. If you want realistic speed of firing then you have to make bows reloading not take 0.2 seconds. That's just goddamned bullshit and hypocracy right there.
And guns wouldn't have the same magic as bows or spears or swords or javalins or anything else. That makes a load of sense...
Well not really, actually completely stupid and hypocratic...
They don't care because hollywood says that that is how it was. Plus...well I wont continue that, it could be considered flame... *Eye roll.*
Lets do the same with bows! "Fire bow of Meteor". Right...
FUCKING THANKYOU! And now someone bitch about being too many weapons so I can point out how bows and crossbows are just as similar.
You sir, are why the intellegent people are leaving this forum for brighter horizons...
Because historically accurate firearms are so much more unrealistic then a bow that shoots every 0.2 seconds right?
If you want realistic get rid of the magic and the ias and fcr and all that. Bring back the slow reloading of bows and crossbows, and make sure that you cannot hold 350 arrows in one arrow pouch.
Seriously, can ANYONE READ?? We are not talking about a 9mm glock or a 10 guage shotgun, we are talking about goddamned historically accute guns. Jesus fucking christ.
I agree. And we can do the same with Bows, because a Long Bow would do way more damage then a hand cannon of the same era.
FUCK BOWS! TAKE ALL RANGED WEAPONS OUT!!! *eye roll* Idiots...the whole lot...
Actually, M&B's mounts were pretty bad. They were hard to stear and akin to GTA's cars on the PC. Then add fighting, and you got a mess...
If mounts are in D3, I would hope that Blizzard did mounts far far better.
It's plausable, and very realistic if put in a historical sense. But not probable, no. Blizzard will stay with a generic hack and slash most likely. Hopefully though someone will make a single player mod that will add firearms akin to handcannons...
Agreed. Putting yourself down is stupid. You should stand up for yourself. You are a living being and deserve respect. Now demand it!
His money, let him crap on his money if he wants. He bought it fair and square. The rest of us can enjoy the game.
Yes, hand cannons could be implimented, and people would love it. Just like they will love the graphical direction when it comes out.
I'm supprised the mods merged it with the more serious thread of midevial age firearms...
Well, considering the Silk road takes a month or so to travel, and D2 consists of about a month, and that the distance between Asia and Europe is comparable to Xiansai and Westmarch (from simply looking at the map, that is...) it would make sense that they would begin to show up about half way through the game.
Well, look how long it took to get from Asia to Europe. It may just be getting there, and could be a weapon that could show up in Act 3-ish.
Well, I understand that. And that is why I was talking about a hand cannon of that era. It would, in fact, fit in with the other weapons as those weapons would be used in that time frame.
(Yes, they arn't common in Hollywood, but Hollywood fucks alot of stuff up. So...)
Yo yo yo waz up G-dawg. You iz an idiot who cant read dawg.
Yo yo yo G-dawg, I don't like reading your posts so you iz blocked G-dawg.
That would be funny as hell. (That's why they use swords. "Now listen, all you have to do is swing this and it hurts them. Ok?" Lol.)
It's just as stupid as using bows or axes.
Can you explain why it would be any stupider then using a bow or axe?
Is it just me or is this the most close minded forum on the internet?... (Not you Warlord, just members in general.)
(I think I have to put a picture of a handcannon up every 10 posts, so that people remember what a goddamn handcannon is. Not you, just idiots who don't read the entire thread.)
First, don't change it to orange and I won't make my stuff black, black is hard to read on one theme just like orange and white is hard to read on the other.
Second, how would you do a drive by with a handcannon? That makes no sense. Hand cannons are primitive, even compared to flintlock and matchlock muskets.
*Takes a deep breath.* Listen, nobody want's AK47's, they want historically accurate weaponry. I would be shocked and pissed if bows of today were in Diablo. It's all about historical accuracy and how they are implemented.
Diablo didn't make the idea, trust me, the rune thing of Diablo is the raping of my ancestors, so I know a little about that. But Diablo DID popularize it. Diablo brought it to the masses. Diablo brought alot to the masses.
Also, people don't expect alot when they get a game, but usually they enjoy it anyway. I didn't expect Assassins Creed to be about memories, but it was. And I certainly enjoyed what I got to play of it.