Atrumentis's rank quest pictures are the best I've seen so far followed closely by Zeitams brown skill rank pictures
I really have nothing else to contribute to this thread, apart from a vote on the next poll
And unless theres more ideas from other artists then I'd vote for Atrumentis ones
Is it even possible to implement these pictures under the persons name or is that part still being figured out?
Under the name as a spereate icon is easier, as I don't have to delete anything, the only know way I can turn off the post titles. But without them I think it defaults to user group. My would say admin (well actually it wouldn't it will have my custom title still) and your's Genesis will say Regular User.
It will take a little while to get these things to work. a bit of playing around.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
Alright, here are three variations. Tell me what you think. I haven't tried them with colour yet. I'll do that next.
Manson Super:
(note letter spacing in first two, the two different icons for Sexton (Shenk and Blade), and the Summoner icon for Ancient)
Manson Super with 'The' in front:
(Note that the blade icon for Sexton remains to compare its image next to others, and The Ancient has two different icons - the Summoner and the Ancient quests. I originally thought that the skull would look too evil, but actually it kind of looks more like immortality, which is what the Ancients are)
Exocet Font with 'The' in front:
(Note variations in High Council Member and The Ancient, the Shenk icon for The Sexton remains to compare its image next to others, and only the Ancient quest icon remains for the Ancient rank for comparison)
So we have user title (the zakarum ranks) in a user rank, like Atrumentis has been playing around with concepts for, and custom titles for all are allowed, or the titles will default to user group.
It is neigh impossible to not have something in the title block. There will always be some form of text there, be it a post title (like the zakarum ones), a user group or a custom title.
I think prehaps the best option is to restore the default, and add user ranks with both text and image in them.
which would make it for me (and others of my rank (Admin);
That is unless someone has a custom title, like I currently do.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
I like the name slightly spaces out, the 2nd specter not the 1st or 3rd. Dunno how well that would work with "h i g h c o u n c i l m e m b e r" though... I also like the first font you used. However, I'm impartial to "the" being in the ranks.
Is technically possible. But as I tihink it was Murderface brought up the point earlier, that leaves a big chunk of empty space to the right of the icon.
Probably easier to go with the concept at the end of my previous post.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
And this is the last variation I'm doing lol. You'll just have to use your imagination from now on (until the final decision is made, or at least close-to-final).
Well it seems like the two of us are they only ones with oppinions, best to let others have a turn to speak for a while.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
I only have 1 other suggestion
Perhaps slot in Edyrem somewhere at the higher ranks so the higher posters dont all have the exact same title. Just an idea
And also - I think its spelt Que Hegan instead of Que Hagan
I thought it would make more sense that way around, a powerful leader Que Hegan awakes his powers within to become an Edyrem, then a full blown Nephlem. Then after a long time slowly becomes consumed in his power to become an Ancient
You could argue the power difference between Nephelem and Ancient isnt much, but Ancients are much older therefore higher posts
And also - I think its spelt Que Hegan instead of Que Hagan
Fixed.
If I recall the ancients were first generation Nephalem, second generation Nephalem, like most second generations typically are, are stronger, than the previous generation.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
If I recall the ancients were first generation Nephalem, second generation Nephalem, like most second generations typically are, are stronger, than the previous generation.
Can someone clear this up? It seems everyone remembers this differently.
Did they Ancients come first, or did the Nephalem? And who is more powerful :confused:
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At first they were called Nephelem, these first Nephelem mostly died off and other generations preceded them but a few went into hibernation or somehow survived like Bul Kathos, Esu and Rathma. By the time of the Sin War these first Nephelem who survived were so god damn old that they just called them Ancients
These Ancient Nephelem's powers have become more distinctive and charactistic because of the long amount of time theyve been alive for
For those who want a quick explanation, this is the conclusion I came up with:
1- Uldyssian
2- Nephalem
3- Ancients
4- Edyrem
And now for the long explanation.
I have already stated this in this thread:
Quote from "Atrumentis" »
Nephalem: Can either refer to fully powerful humans in general, OR specifically refer to the first-generation of humans (Rathma, Bul-Kathos)
Ancients: "Spirits of the Nephalem". Once normal humans without power (specifically Barbarians), they were granted the power of the Nephalem (through Bul-Kathos?) so they could guard the Worldstone. The fact that they were granted power and were not first-generation seperates them from true Nephalem.
Edyrem: Humans that were once normal, but who's powers were awoken by Uldyssian during the Overthrow of the Cathedral and the Triune period. Again, these guys are not first-generation, so they aren't true Nephalem.
All three types of 'Nephalem' have approximately the same potential for power, though possibly in a slightly different way. The Edyrem's powers are different to first-generation Nephalem, as Rathma states that over time their powers have evolved/mutated. Not sure if that also applies to the Ancients though.
In order of power, I would say that true Nephalem (first-generation) are the most powerful, Ancients come in second and Edyrem come third, simply because the Nephalem were born that way, while Edyrem had to learn it from scratch and Ancients were lucky to be granted it (instant power, no effort involved).
But here are quotes from both the game and the book to support my theory.
The following quotes are from the game.
"We are the spirits of the Nephalem, the Ancient Ones. We have been chosen to guard sacred Mount Arreat, wherein the Worldstone rests. Few are worthy to stand in its presence; fewer still can comprehend its true purpose.
Note that they have been chosen, therefore someone must have chose them. Someone of higher power (either someone like Tyrael, Trag'Oul, or Bul-Kathos).
"I believe that the Ancients were more than human -- that mankind has fallen from what it once was."
This is true that the Ancients are more than human, and true that mankind has fallen from what it once was, but she doesn't say that the Ancients are the most powerful or that they are first born. Also note that she says "I believe", so her statement isn't necessarily true.
"The Ancients are not our enemies. Remember that! They are our ancestors -- our gods."
True, but this doesn't make them first-born Nephalem either. There is a technical difference between Nephalem and Edyrem. Nephalem has come to only refer to the first-generation, while Edyrem refers to Uldyssian's group of people with their nephalem powers awakened.
The following quotes are from The Sin War trilogy - more canonical than the game.
I WILL NOT BROOK THE STIRRING OF THE NEPHALEM AGAIN, he thought, recalling what had happened last time. SUCH AN ABOMINATION WILL NOT SEE FRUITION AGAIN!
It does not matter, she told herself. She was mistress of this situation. She was the one who had awakened the power of the nephalem in the fool beside her and through him she would raise it up in every mortal possible.
“What you have called a gift, my love, is that and much more! You…all humans…are the spawn of our coupling! From demon and angel came the nephalem, greater than anything ever created in the cosmos! The force I stirred within you, the force which I found begging to be released, is nothing less than your birthright!
What Uldyssian was doing was impossible for any human… but not for a nephalem.
The world was forever changed by the second coming of the nephalem
Without seeing him, the crowd parted. Any of those touched by the power within Uldyssian—the power of the nephalem—could sense his nearness.
Those murders had revolved around the children—the first nephalem—born through the unions of the renegade demons and angels.
“Nephalem” had been Lilith’s word for what they were becoming, but that word not only left a bitter taste in Uldyssian’s mouth, but also did not fit right…at least where he was concerned. From the Torajians, he had come across another title, an ancient one that even sounded a little like the first. “Edyrem.” It meant “those who have seen” and to Uldyssian that was a perfect description of him and the rest. He had already used it this very morning and seen how easily it slipped off the tongue. Already, many were using the term rather than the old one…
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As to what I am, I am a nephalem…one of the very first, in fact…”
“You…you are like us…?”
Rathma shook his head. “No, I am unlike you or any of those who follow you. I cannot explain, but what you call the ’gift’ has metamorphosed. There are abilities that I have that you do not just as you bear some I am lacking. I suppose this should not so surprise me since I am from the very first generation birthed on Sanctuary…”
Quote from "Trag"Oul" »
He is different! They would all be different! They are no more nephalem than you are human! They are more—
(The Dragon never finished its sentence)
It initially appeared that Bul-Kathos did not hear the last, for he looked to the ground once more and muttered to himself. “No Vasily…where are you…my brother?” A slight, sardonic chuckle escaped the giant. “But no Esu, either! How that would irritate…her…” As quickly as the humor came, it disappeared. “If even she…still rages…”
This demonstrates the power of Bul-Kathos. He seems much more powerful than the Ancients.
Bul-Kathos swelled in size and an ominous shadow crossed his earth and rock face. Even the eyes—the almost human eyes—now held a threat. “No. You will not.”
The giant moved toward Uldyssian, and as he did, more stone and dirt fell away. Now, although he still looked as if created from the very ground, Bul-Kathos wore the vague semblance of a bearded warrior. His skin was the brown of the soil and his hair the green of grass. There was nothing hesitant anymore about his movements—
Nor about his intentions toward Uldyssian.
Bul-Kathos raised a fist and in it formed a huge, stone club. He swung at the mortal’s midsection. But the club deflected off an invisible barrier quickly created by his target. Uldyssian already sweated from effort; the giant’s strike had nearly penetrated.
“You are more than you seem,” rumbled Bul-Kathos. “A nephalem I would call you, young one, if not for the fact that I and Rathma may be the last…”
“The last of your age, maybe,” retorted the son of Diomedes. “But time has long passed you just as you’ve pointed out.”
“But no matter how many centuries, I yet recall my duty well! And so Mount Arreat will remain forbidden for you and all else who would desecrate its interior!”
He struck the ground with the club and the land shook so much that Uldyssian toppled. More and more the earthen creature gave way to an ancient warrior. Clad in kilt and sandals and with a golden band around his head, Bul-Kathos resembled some barbarian deity…a barbarian deity who radiated raw force such as Uldyssian had never faced, not even from Lucion.
“We swore that the way to the mount would be forever sealed from those like Esu,” continued a furious Bul-Kathos, “who would’ve used that within to further ravage a weakened world! And though the others may be more of the soil than even I desired to be, in their memory and our oath I’ll continue to fulfill my sacred duty!”
He struck the ground again and Uldyssian, who had nearly gotten to his feet, fell back. Uldyssian turned that tumble into a roll, a wise maneuver as the club next shattered the stones atop which he had just lain.
“I am not the master of the elements that Esu was, young fool, but Bul-Kathos wields much might of his own!”
“And speaks about it even more!” snapped Uldyssian in turn. From his awkward position, he still managed to focus on his adversary. The giant made for a hard-to-miss target…
There was a sound like a thunderclap. The area between the two exploded, as if the very air had caught fire. Both combatants were thrown far from one another.
Uldyssian struck a tree, jarring his bones so hard he thought that they were all shattered. Despite that, he managed to immediately fall forward into a crouching position and seize a handful of dirt. He threw the handful high in the air and concentrated.
The dirt broke apart, becoming a whirling, blinding force that assailed the giant just as he regained his own balance. However, Bul-Kathos did not recoil, but rather inhaled…and sneezed. The whirlwind broke apart and the dust formed in a tight ball that landed in the warrior’s brown palm. With a bellowing laugh, Bul-Kathos raised his hand and the dirt stretched two directions, creating in the blink of an eye a spear with a tip that gleamed like a diamond. He threw the spear at Uldyssian.
“Then you understand why I shall now take Uldyssian to see Mount Arreat’s secret.” Bul-Kathos nodded. “Aye…and no one else’ll stop you. If they still stand, that is. I’ve let any who can hear me know that the way must be clear for you and yours…”
If there are Ancients here, they are under the command of Bul-Kathos.
The Worldstone:
Rathma gestured at the floating giant. “It is the reason why no nephalem or anything akin to it has risen lo these many centuries, my friend. It is the reason why you and yours should not exist! You stand before the curse of all the descendants of those angels and demons who forged Sanctuary! You stand before the Worldstone…”
Each succeeding generation of nephalem became far less powerful than the previous, until, in very short order, those next born were bereft of any ability. Soon, only a few from the first generation—myself and Bul-Kathos, to name the obvious—survived. The gifts—or curse—of our forebears was forgotten.
The first generation of Nephalem are automatically the strongest.
The Ancients are not first-generation Nephalem. Therefore, they are not as powerful. They are granted the gift, just like Uldyssian was.
These are the stories of the Ancients we fight in DIII:
Talic is from the Western Shores of the Barbarian Kingdom. At a young age, Talic had already mastered several of the barbarian skills. He was only 19 when he was called to serve the Ancients. Before his calling, he had only heard legends of Mt. Arreat. The Kae Huron mountain range, where lies Arreat, isn't even visible from warm waters he grew up around.
One morning there was a knock at his door. It was the town elder and an old woman. They entered as his wife and young child sat at the table. The woman was introduced as Kala the Seer for Sescheron the capital city of the Barbarian Tribes. She came to bestow upon Talic the ultimate task of protecting the sacred gates to Mt. Arreat. His reward for accepting such service would be eternity atop the mountain. While it was an honor beyond comprehension to be chosen for such a role, he would never be able to return home, nor see any of his family again.
Talic rose from his chair, standing a head taller than the Seer, and told her fiercely "I won't go." He had refused. He told the Seer to choose another. Kala looked at him and said the choice was not hers to make. The Ancients had spoken to her of a young warrior in the West named Talic. That was who they wanted, that was who they chose. Talic stared long at the Seer. Then finally, he nodded slowly in agreement, turned to his wife and child, kissed them goodbye, and journeyed to Mt. Arreat.
No one is quite sure where Madawc is from, only that one day he walked out of the hills of Val Narian in the North, an axe in both hands, ready to battle. Those who were crazy enough to battle beside Madawc referred to him as the warrior prophet. He claimed he was cursed with visions from both past and present. He would often begin fights without provocation, claiming he sought justice for crimes not yet committed. Before every battle he would sit, trance like, staring up to the skies. Sometimes, when he would fall out of these trances, he would rise from wherever he was, and leave, not taking part in the waiting battle. Those that knew of Madawc's trances began to believe he could tell the outcome of a battle even before it was fought. How else could the crazy old codger have survived for as long as he had? He became well known among the warriors of the Northern Lands because of his supposed gift. Men began to follow Madawc wherever he went, staying if he stayed, leaving when he left. He became something of a legend, a warrior prophet. However, one night as Madawc sat around the fire with some of his men, he stood up, dropped his pipe, and left. When one of the men stopped him and asked where he was going he said, "The Ancients have called me to guard Mt. Arreat. So, I must go." Pushing past the man, Madawc began his long trek south to the summit of Mt. Arreat.
Korlic was raised in the Henknoc jungles on the southern end of the barbarian kingdom. While the land that these barbarians lived in was lush and full of life, it was also full of danger beyond belief. Korlic was the leader of the Henknoc, protecting his people from the beasts they lived among. As a child he had managed to tame one of the more vicious animals called a Stalker. It was said that there must have been druid in his blood in order to perform such a task at such a young age. In his teens Korlic rescued a small child from a horde of giant spiders. The child turned out to be the son of a chieftain of an enemy tribe. Without thought or worry Korlic returned the boy home. While some say it was an act of stupidity, others say it was an act of courage. Which ever, it brought about an end to the conflicts between the two tribes.
When the Ancients summoned Korlic it was through the tribes Seer, his wife. She told him the Ancients had called upon him to protect that which must not fall, to protect Mt. Arreat. The honor was such that Korlic could not speak. Seeing this, his wife turned to the people of Henknoc and shouted, "My husband, your chief, has been chosen by the Ancients to guard sacred Mt. Arreat. In honor of this joyous occasion we shall celebrate until his departure." And they celebrated, for three days until Korlic left. On the final day, Korlic named his successor. He was the young boy, now a man, who Korlic had saved from the giant spiders so long ago. Korlic knew he would rule fairly and justly over both tribes. Finally, with all his worldly deeds complete, he ventured to the top of Arreat to begin his otherworldly quest of protecting the Worldstone for all eternity.
So yeah, refer back to what I said at the start, it seems to make sense. Although Uldyssian became stronger than any, he only achieved it through training. The Edyrem, generally and as individuals, are weaker than the Ancients (the Edyrem tend to not live forever like the Ancients and Nephalem do).
1- Uldyssian
2- Nephalem
3- Ancients
4- Edyrem
Is this satisfying enough? lol.
This also leaves the question: If the first-generation humans are Nephalem, and the Barbarians that are chosen and granted power to guard Mt Arreat are called Ancients, and Uldyssian's followers are called Edyrem.... what do we call the current genration? You know, those level 99 people who are stronger than the Prime Evils lol.
I tend to look at edyrem simply as the Torajian term for nephalem.
I don't perceive a difference in the two. I see the edyrem and nephalem being as one in the same; the only difference being the dialect from which each term originates.
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I really have nothing else to contribute to this thread, apart from a vote on the next poll
And unless theres more ideas from other artists then I'd vote for Atrumentis ones
Is it even possible to implement these pictures under the persons name or is that part still being figured out?
It will take a little while to get these things to work. a bit of playing around.
Manson Super:
(note letter spacing in first two, the two different icons for Sexton (Shenk and Blade), and the Summoner icon for Ancient)
Manson Super with 'The' in front:
(Note that the blade icon for Sexton remains to compare its image next to others, and The Ancient has two different icons - the Summoner and the Ancient quests. I originally thought that the skull would look too evil, but actually it kind of looks more like immortality, which is what the Ancients are)
Exocet Font with 'The' in front:
(Note variations in High Council Member and The Ancient, the Shenk icon for The Sexton remains to compare its image next to others, and only the Ancient quest icon remains for the Ancient rank for comparison)
EDIT...
Been doing some reasearch and it seems that the format is
Username
User rank
User title
Avatar
thus it is kinda like this.
Elfen Lied
Nephalem
So we have user title (the zakarum ranks) in a user rank, like Atrumentis has been playing around with concepts for, and custom titles for all are allowed, or the titles will default to user group.
For me the default would be
Elfen Lied
Administrator
for someone else it would look kinda like
Elfen Lied
Regular User
It is neigh impossible to not have something in the title block. There will always be some form of text there, be it a post title (like the zakarum ones), a user group or a custom title.
I think prehaps the best option is to restore the default, and add user ranks with both text and image in them.
which would make it for me (and others of my rank (Admin);
Elfen Lied
Administator
For someone of the Moderator rank
Elfen Lied
Super Moderator
And for a Regular user
ELFEN LIED
Regular User
That is unless someone has a custom title, like I currently do.
it seems
Elfen Lied
Nephalem
Or with my custom title as would be the case;
Elfen Lied
Der Engel Des Todes
Is technically possible. But as I tihink it was Murderface brought up the point earlier, that leaves a big chunk of empty space to the right of the icon.
Probably easier to go with the concept at the end of my previous post.
And this is the last variation I'm doing lol. You'll just have to use your imagination from now on (until the final decision is made, or at least close-to-final).
Well it seems like the two of us are they only ones with oppinions, best to let others have a turn to speak for a while.
ELFEN LIED
Administrator
Good way to make the titles way more awesome Atru. I really hope they make it official.
Perhaps slot in Edyrem somewhere at the higher ranks so the higher posters dont all have the exact same title. Just an idea
And also - I think its spelt Que Hegan instead of Que Hagan
Que-Hegan 3000-3999 (Spans 1000 Posts)
Edyrem 4000-5499 (Spans 1500 Posts)
Nephalem 5500-7999 (Spans 2500 Posts)
Ancient 8000+
I thought it would make more sense that way around, a powerful leader Que Hegan awakes his powers within to become an Edyrem, then a full blown Nephlem. Then after a long time slowly becomes consumed in his power to become an Ancient
You could argue the power difference between Nephelem and Ancient isnt much, but Ancients are much older therefore higher posts
Fixed.
If I recall the ancients were first generation Nephalem, second generation Nephalem, like most second generations typically are, are stronger, than the previous generation.
Did they Ancients come first, or did the Nephalem? And who is more powerful :confused:
EDIT: What you did Atrumentis looks awesome
At first they were called Nephelem, these first Nephelem mostly died off and other generations preceded them but a few went into hibernation or somehow survived like Bul Kathos, Esu and Rathma. By the time of the Sin War these first Nephelem who survived were so god damn old that they just called them Ancients
These Ancient Nephelem's powers have become more distinctive and charactistic because of the long amount of time theyve been alive for
1- Uldyssian
2- Nephalem
3- Ancients
4- Edyrem
And now for the long explanation.
I have already stated this in this thread:
But here are quotes from both the game and the book to support my theory.
The following quotes are from the game.
Note that they have been chosen, therefore someone must have chose them. Someone of higher power (either someone like Tyrael, Trag'Oul, or Bul-Kathos).
This is true that the Ancients are more than human, and true that mankind has fallen from what it once was, but she doesn't say that the Ancients are the most powerful or that they are first born. Also note that she says "I believe", so her statement isn't necessarily true.
True, but this doesn't make them first-born Nephalem either. There is a technical difference between Nephalem and Edyrem. Nephalem has come to only refer to the first-generation, while Edyrem refers to Uldyssian's group of people with their nephalem powers awakened.
The following quotes are from The Sin War trilogy - more canonical than the game.
(The Dragon never finished its sentence)
This demonstrates the power of Bul-Kathos. He seems much more powerful than the Ancients.
If there are Ancients here, they are under the command of Bul-Kathos.
The Worldstone:
The first generation of Nephalem are automatically the strongest.
The Ancients are not first-generation Nephalem. Therefore, they are not as powerful. They are granted the gift, just like Uldyssian was.
These are the stories of the Ancients we fight in DIII:
So yeah, refer back to what I said at the start, it seems to make sense. Although Uldyssian became stronger than any, he only achieved it through training. The Edyrem, generally and as individuals, are weaker than the Ancients (the Edyrem tend to not live forever like the Ancients and Nephalem do).
1- Uldyssian
2- Nephalem
3- Ancients
4- Edyrem
Is this satisfying enough? lol.
This also leaves the question: If the first-generation humans are Nephalem, and the Barbarians that are chosen and granted power to guard Mt Arreat are called Ancients, and Uldyssian's followers are called Edyrem.... what do we call the current genration? You know, those level 99 people who are stronger than the Prime Evils lol.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
I don't perceive a difference in the two. I see the edyrem and nephalem being as one in the same; the only difference being the dialect from which each term originates.