I do not believe in god, I do not believe in aliens, well I believe in them but I don't believe they have ufos and things like that. Probably just bacterias on a planet or maybe as evolved as us. Can't really be more evolved, there is a point where we just destroy each other because of the lack of resources, or we die on starvation and I believe this is true on any inhabited planet anyway.
in philosophy we discussed the philosophy of religion, and as you know, according to some monotheistic religions, God/etc is omnipotent, so one raises the question:
can God create a stone so large that even He cannot lift it?
really interesting, a paradox for sure.
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in philosophy we discussed the philosophy of religion, and as you know, according to some monotheistic religions, God/etc is omnipotent, so one raises the question:
can God create a stone so large that even He cannot lift it?
really interesting, a paradox for sure.
Well, I always thought of God as someone with serious video game editing skillz....i wont use halo editor as an example cuz wow would prolly be more appropriate. If you have seen the videos of the zones where the creators have been working then you may follow where I'm going.
I dont think he could make a stone so great that he couldnt lift it because he has the ultimate editing powers, he can edit his str to do whatever he wants He/she/it can DO whatever it wants. Theoretically since the name for the the hebrew god ( the common christian god) means "he who causes to be" then he could turn into a giant Kerby if he wanted to...lol, that would be funny. But anyways ya. Its like video game creator in my mind (wow im a nerd :P), able to create anything and even if he chooses to interact with these creations then he can be anything he desires.
So, that was a look inside my head so im not sure how clear it was lol.:thumbsup:
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Well, I always thought of God as someone with serious video game editing skillz....i wont use halo editor as an example cuz wow would prolly be more appropriate. If you have seen the videos of the zones where the creators have been working then you may follow where I'm going.
I dont think he could make a stone so great that he couldnt lift it because he has the ultimate editing powers, he can edit his str to do whatever he wants He/she/it can DO whatever it wants. Theoretically since the name for the the hebrew god ( the common christian god) means "he who causes to be" then he could turn into a giant Kerby if he wanted to...lol, that would be funny. But anyways ya. Its like video game creator in my mind (wow im a nerd :P), able to create anything and even if he chooses to interact with these creations then he can be anything he desires.
So, that was a look inside my head so im not sure how clear it was lol.:thumbsup:
then he is not omnipotent, and by definition of the Christian bible, God is omnipotent. thus this is contradictory of Him. weird huh? either he cant make the large stone, or he cant lift it.
also there is a 'problem of evil as well' in the biblical texts.
and your analogy clearly undermines those 'facts' stated
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then he is not omnipotent, and by definition of the Christian bible, God is omnipotent. thus this is contradictory of Him. weird huh? either he cant make the large stone, or he cant lift it.
The problem with this whole question is the concept of omnipotency.
"Yes, God can make a stone so heavy that he can't lift it, but he would still be able to lift it." That's the only way to fulfill that statement.
"How would that work?"
"We don't know. The whole Universe woul annihilate itself if God did that."
"But if he's omnipotent he should be able to stop that from happening, otherwise he isn't omnipotent."
"Then we still wouldn't be able to comprehend it, we're not intelligent enough or even physically able to understand such an event."
"Then why can't God make it so we understand? Otherwise he's not omnipotent."
Ad infinitum...
The only way I think we could give God such a quality would be if the universe had some established principles, like time and continuity etc. that would prevent him from doing it, because he would have imposed the limitations in himself. Doesn't stop him from doing it in another universe entirely.
Or perhaps those additional 7 dimensions lying around somewhere could possibly explain this paradox of 3 dimensions.
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The problem with this whole question is the concept of omnipotency.
"Yes, God can make a stone so heavy that he can't lift it, but he would still be able to lift it." That's the only way to fulfill that statement.
"How would that work?"
"We don't know. The whole Universe woul annihilate itself if God did that."
"But if he's omnipotent he should be able to stop that from happening, otherwise he isn't omnipotent."
"Then we still wouldn't be able to comprehend it, we're not intelligent enough or even physically able to understand such an event."
"Then why can't God make it so we understand? Otherwise he's not omnipotent."
Ad infinitum...
The only way I think we could give God such a quality would be if the universe had some established principles, like time and continuity etc. that would prevent him from doing it, because he would have imposed the limitations in himself. Doesn't stop him from doing it in another universe entirely.
Or perhaps those additional 7 dimensions lying around somewhere could possibly explain this paradox of 3 dimensions.
Well put...I jsut find it a bit pointless to worry our tiny little minds with our own logic where God is concerned. If he is omnipotent and all that jazz then there is obviously some other forces at work that we dont factor in.
It's kinda like a math problem where you are using the wrong equation to figure out the problem. We are using our human logic equations to try and comprehend when there could be a different one that is beyond our understanding.
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well put, but i dont think separate universes can explain anything though. either he cant lift it or he cant create it. if he is omnipotent he shouldnt need various universes. and that would also disagree with the fact that He is omnibenevolent.
theres also the can He make 2 + 3 = 7 and can He break a promise? interesting stuff. philosophy is a really fun class after you get past the boring first few chapters
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"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
well put, but i dont think separate universes can explain anything though. either he cant lift it or he cant create it. if he is omnipotent he shouldnt need various universes. and that would also disagree with the fact that He is omnibenevolent.
Perhaps. However, if he is omnipotent, then he would have created everything, including all natural laws and logic itself. So if he wanted, he could just make it so that the question is not a true/false statement, but perhaps there is also a third answer. Of course, none of that would be possible with our logic, but then again it doesn't seem likely that he'd have to abide by it.
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theres also the can He make 2 + 3 = 7 and can He break a promise? interesting stuff. philosophy is a really fun class after you get past the boring first few chapters
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You could argue that when god makes something so heavy that he can't lift it, it creates a black hole. God in that instance would be the time/space fabric and the mass that fills it (higgs boson anyone?).
I think this thread in particular should be closed, its definitely come full circle with some pretty cool stuff.
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LLOOLL... that killed me, nice job.
in philosophy we discussed the philosophy of religion, and as you know, according to some monotheistic religions, God/etc is omnipotent, so one raises the question:
can God create a stone so large that even He cannot lift it?
really interesting, a paradox for sure.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
Well, I always thought of God as someone with serious video game editing skillz....i wont use halo editor as an example cuz wow would prolly be more appropriate. If you have seen the videos of the zones where the creators have been working then you may follow where I'm going.
I dont think he could make a stone so great that he couldnt lift it because he has the ultimate editing powers, he can edit his str to do whatever he wants He/she/it can DO whatever it wants. Theoretically since the name for the the hebrew god ( the common christian god) means "he who causes to be" then he could turn into a giant Kerby if he wanted to...lol, that would be funny. But anyways ya. Its like video game creator in my mind (wow im a nerd :P), able to create anything and even if he chooses to interact with these creations then he can be anything he desires.
So, that was a look inside my head so im not sure how clear it was lol.:thumbsup:
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
also there is a 'problem of evil as well' in the biblical texts.
and your analogy clearly undermines those 'facts' stated
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"Yes, God can make a stone so heavy that he can't lift it, but he would still be able to lift it." That's the only way to fulfill that statement.
"How would that work?"
"We don't know. The whole Universe woul annihilate itself if God did that."
"But if he's omnipotent he should be able to stop that from happening, otherwise he isn't omnipotent."
"Then we still wouldn't be able to comprehend it, we're not intelligent enough or even physically able to understand such an event."
"Then why can't God make it so we understand? Otherwise he's not omnipotent."
Ad infinitum...
The only way I think we could give God such a quality would be if the universe had some established principles, like time and continuity etc. that would prevent him from doing it, because he would have imposed the limitations in himself. Doesn't stop him from doing it in another universe entirely.
Or perhaps those additional 7 dimensions lying around somewhere could possibly explain this paradox of 3 dimensions.
Well put...I jsut find it a bit pointless to worry our tiny little minds with our own logic where God is concerned. If he is omnipotent and all that jazz then there is obviously some other forces at work that we dont factor in.
It's kinda like a math problem where you are using the wrong equation to figure out the problem. We are using our human logic equations to try and comprehend when there could be a different one that is beyond our understanding.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
theres also the can He make 2 + 3 = 7 and can He break a promise? interesting stuff. philosophy is a really fun class after you get past the boring first few chapters
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
Of course. Just rename 5 into 3
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
You're not Christian then, I am assuming.
What does being christian have to do with angels?
Also, the op was about realistic angels, angels that could actually kick your ass, not angels like Cupid.
(Unless you meant something completely different from that- then I'm sorry for my misinterpretation.)