heres a note to yourself............ this isnt something i actually seek all the time or on a daily basis.
Just realize you are on the right path with asking questions. But the difference between a free minded /genius type of person and the person unlike that, isnt that ones more intelligent than the other, but rather which questions they ask. If I were you Id be asking different questions....
heres a note to yourself............ this isnt something i actually seek all the time or on a daily basis.
Just realize you are on the right path with asking questions. But the difference between a free minded /genius type of person and the person unlike that, isnt that ones more intelligent than the other, but rather which questions they ask. If I were you Id be asking different questions....
I agree, the questions people should ask themselves are:
"Why am I here?"
"Why do I believe what I believe?"
"Are my beliefs in any ways bias from the culture I grew up in?"
"Is something true because I was raised to believe it was true? And all the people close to me believe it is true?"
"While no answer can be certain, was is the most probable answer?"
"If God exists, would he really send his perfect creations to the pits of Hell for not believing in him?"
"Is organised religion the work of God? Or an invention of man with the intent to control?"
"Is having faith a good or a bad thing?"
"Does being spiritual benefit my life in any way? Does it harm it?"
"What makes me happy? What steps should I take to make my life as perfect as possible?"
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I didnt say not to accept your doctors. They are great tools. When it comes to chemo therapy though and stuff such as prescribing antibiotics for longterm use when its not needed then yeah obviously most of their patients get more sick or die. Nice job trying to misconstrue what I said though as a whole. youve gained 2 exp. but u need 1,000,000,000 to level up.
....but really how does the relate to to your grandma relying on god? That was the main thing of your post, and i dont see how.
wow through all of this.... i get one thing... i fuckin hate religion even more than before because i see how its making u fight each otehr... as it always has and will... umpa... u lost miserably... u have no evidence for the bible/against evolution that isnt complete horse shit... and obalex ur arguement vs umpa and decision to try and make it short *applause* lol thanks thats it xD
wow through all of this.... i get one thing... i fuckin hate religion even more than before because i see how its making u fight each otehr... as it always has and will... umpa... u lost miserably... u have no evidence for the bible/against evolution that isnt complete horse shit... and obalex ur arguement vs umpa and decision to try and make it short *applause* lol thanks thats it xD
i dont think many people value your narrow minded opinion anyways, but great contribution. my argument was SOLID. i gave sources and examples of flaws with evolution you judgemental little person
and if you wana look at it in a REALLY narrow perspective. religion was here first ! witohut darwins theory we wouldn't have these arguments. so its evolutions fault if you really wana get into it. You contributed NOTHING, why even come on here and try to start things when you dont even want to contribute. all you ever come on and say is "God doesnt exist" "fuck religion" "i hate religion" What have you contributed to anything besides starting a flame war?
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-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
i dont think many people value your narrow minded opinion anyways, but great contribution. my argument was SOLID. i gave sources and examples of flaws with evolution you judgemental little person
You found flaws in a theory. A theory is a theory and it is yet to be proven. Nothing is flawless. The past will be forever unknown for what true evidence there once was, is not there.
You found flaws in a theory. A theory is a theory and it is yet to be proven. Nothing is flawless. The past will be forever unknown for what true evidence there once was, is not there.
Honestly, this discussion is going no where.
but it was a discussion, not a flame war until he came in on it. i was asked to bring out flaws, i brought out a flaw in the idea of the theory, ideas can have flaws
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-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
but it was a discussion, not a flame war until he came in on it. i was asked to bring out flaws, i brought out a flaw in the idea of the theory, ideas can have flaws
i recall u flaming the other dude several times and even twisting his words around... just look back he even points out where u twist his words... im done here... thanks for the laughes umpa... been good times... btw ur religion still gets outdated by ancient pagan gods... im done here lol peace
No one has the idea right. Every religion has its poison and its corrupt members.
The only difference between me and a "God fearing" man is that he reads the Bible. Otherwise I am just as generous, kind, and functional as most who attend Church.
If "God" was to keep me out just because even though I lived righteously, but didn't acknowledge him during my life...Well, that's not the kind of God I want looking after me. That is why I think most religiions are wrong.
An encounter in the AOL chat rooms left an atheist alone to defend himself against the onslaught of a couple of theists. Seeing that these individuals were beyond reason, rather than attempt a formal debate, he opted for a slightly different approach. Here is a copy of the conversation, unedited:
Taylor8828: who do you think made the world?
Atheist900: All powerful invisible Elves.
FunkyGCN: God does exist
FunkyGCN: If he doesn't exsist how the hell are you here
Taylor8828: Elves???????????
Taylor8828: who made you then?
Atheist900: The great Elves have always been, yet unseen.
Atheist900: All you have to have is faith in them.
FunkyGCN: Are you on crack
Taylor8828: I don't have faith in them
Taylor8828: I believe and the one and only God.
Atheist900: Then they will burn your soul for eternity.
Taylor8828: I doubt it.
Taylor8828: God owns my soul.
Atheist900: Those are the evil Elves, they have decived you.
FunkyGCN: I think you have problems, God does exsist, He is The one and only God and you are psycho
Taylor8828: where did you get this sh*t about the Elves?
Atheist900: The Elves are the only, the true, the way, the light.
Taylor8828: where did you get the sh*t about them?
Atheist900: Ask of the great Elves and Ye shall recieve their blessed gift.
FunkyGCN: The elves are a figment of your f*cked up imagination
Taylor8828: in a fairy Tale book?
Taylor8828: No
Atheist900: Your hatred of the Elves is what closes your eyes to their presence.
Taylor8828: It says in God's word knock and the door shall be opened.
Atheist900: You have to open your heart to their will and they will bless you.
Taylor8828: ask and you shall recieve.
Taylor8828: I won't let them in me heart
Taylor8828: God is in there forever and ever
Taylor8828: he will never leave me
Atheist900: Why? Why do you hate the elves?
Atheist900: They only want to love you?
Taylor8828: I love him with all my heart, mind, and soul
Taylor8828: But I won't let them
FunkyGCN: I feel sorry for you, when We are in heaven watching you being tortured in hell
Atheist900: That saddenes the Elves. They weep for your deception
Taylor8828: God loves me forever and ever.
Taylor8828: he won't ever leave me in the dust
Atheist900: The Elves will love you forever, even if they have to condemn you.
Taylor8828: He will be there in my hard times and he will help me
FunkyGCN: GOD IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN LOVE FOREVER
Atheist900: Have you even tried to experience the Elves?
Atheist900: How do you know their love isn't real if you have not even tried?
Taylor8828: I love him and I won't stab him in the back but believing in these so called "elves"
FunkyGCN: ME TOO
Atheist900: But they are one true eternal creators. They give life and take it away.
FunkyGCN: BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ELVES
Atheist900: Do not deny them, accept their free gift and be FREE!
Taylor8828: These so called "Elves" are fake
OnlineHost: KAYTIN23 has entered the room.
Atheist900: Can you prove they are fake?
Taylor8828: God is the only true God. and he is my besfriend
KAYTIN23: What is this all about?
Taylor8828: and I won't stab him in the back like you would
Taylor8828: Yes I can
Atheist900: The Elves will show you the way if you just stop and pray to them.
Taylor8828: why would I pray to a fake God?
KAYTIN23: HELLLOOO?
Taylor8828: Listen I would like to help you but I see that I can
OnlineHost: F PETARD has entered the room.
Taylor8828: 't
Atheist900: Oh great Elves, please bless these lost souls....
FunkyGCN: If we pray to these fake elves, we would be denying God
Taylor8828: I am not a lost soul
Atheist900: Shine your loving light upon their hearts so they may recieve your eternal light.
Taylor8828: I have my God
FunkyGCN: I hope God has Mercy on you when you die
Taylor8828: Goodbye Atheist
Taylor8828: I am leaving this sh*t place now
Taylor8828: retarted butthead
And so they left.
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No one has the idea right. Every religion has its poison and its corrupt members.
The only difference between me and a "God fearing" man is that he reads the Bible. Otherwise I am just as generous, kind, and functional as most who attend Church.
If "God" was to keep me out just because even though I lived righteously, but didn't acknowledge him during my life...Well, that's not the kind of God I want looking after me. That is why I think most religiions are wrong.
now that's something i asy amen too, i believe in god myself but that's always been a point i disagreed with religion.
Absolutely. The theistic antithesis of that is the infamous Pascal's Wager, which argues that regardless of evidence or lack thereof, one should believe in his God because if it doesn't exist, one loses nothing, while if it does exist, one is rewarded for belief.
One of the most powerful philosophical objections to Pascal’s Wager is that it illicitly assumes that if there is a way of getting into Heaven then it is by believing in God. There are perfectly sound philosophical perspectives at the level of Pascal's Wager under the criteria of which it is by disbelieving in this deity that we earn an infinite, eternal reward. It may be, for instance, that there exists a God that punishes believers for faith and rewards nonbelievers for critical thinking, and that it is in our interests to disbelieve in God, even if only to assert our acumen to this being. It sounds silly, yes, but Pascal's position is patently sillier.
A similar thought to this has been used by Michael Martin as the basis for an atheistic version of Pascal’s Wager. If any pragmatic argument of the form of Pascal’s Wager is sound, he argues, then it is an argument for atheism, rather than for religious belief.
Consider anything that you might do in order to get to some sort of Heaven. Whether it is believing in God, or performing good works, or converting heathens, there are always two possible outcomes if there is a God. There are possible Gods that would admit you to Heaven because of what you have done, and there are possible Gods that would consign you to Hell for what you have done. Any action, then, could either lead to Heaven or to Hell. We therefore cannot decide what to do based on what consequences that course of action would have if there were a God.
We must, then, decide what to do based on what consequences that course of action would have if there were no God. We must assume that atheism is true in order to work out what actions are in our interests. Now it could be that religious belief brings sufficient happiness to those that possess it that it is better to be a believer than it is to be an atheist even if God does not exist; if that is the case then we are pragmatically justified in believing in God whatever its veracity on that ground alone.
It is plausible to think, however, that if no God exists, then the cost of religious observance outweighs its benefits -- that in an atheistic universe it is better to be an atheist. Given that assumption, if any pragmatic argument is successful, it will not be an argument for theism but for atheism.
This revised version of the Wager would go something like this:
It is possible that God exists and it is possible that God does not exist.
If one believes in God, then if it exists, one either receives an infinitely great reward or an infinitely great punishment; and if it does not exist, then one loses little or nothing.
If one does not believe in God, then if it exists, one either receives an infinitely great reward or an infinitely great punishment; and if it does not exist, then one gains little or nothing.
It is better to either receive an infinitely great reward or an infinitely great punishment or gain little or nothing than it is to either receive an infinitely great reward or an infinitely great punishment or lose little or nothing.
Therefore:
It is better to not believe in God than it is to believe in God.
If one course of action is better than another then it is rational to follow that course of action and irrational to follow the other.
Therefore:
It is rational to not believe in God and irrational to believe in God.
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There definitely IS god>>>>>>I have done soul searching and take this> can science prove miracles?
Can science explain why we humans have feelings???Why when we someone suffering,we feel pity??By the way the topic is:Where is god in diablo,not where is god in REAL-LIFE!!!Well,diablo is just an RPG PC game.You cannot expect it to contain lots of religious elements.But there some religious elements in diablo> for example, the game is all about good versus evil,heaven versus hell.The diablo games also shows that in the end,GOOD always prevails and evil perishes>>>>:cool:
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it even had quacamole. I praid for cure for my hunger for crack cocaine and a bmb looking female and the good lord provided me with a quiznos. amen!
Just realize you are on the right path with asking questions. But the difference between a free minded /genius type of person and the person unlike that, isnt that ones more intelligent than the other, but rather which questions they ask. If I were you Id be asking different questions....
"Why am I here?"
"Why do I believe what I believe?"
"Are my beliefs in any ways bias from the culture I grew up in?"
"Is something true because I was raised to believe it was true? And all the people close to me believe it is true?"
"While no answer can be certain, was is the most probable answer?"
"If God exists, would he really send his perfect creations to the pits of Hell for not believing in him?"
"Is organised religion the work of God? Or an invention of man with the intent to control?"
"Is having faith a good or a bad thing?"
"Does being spiritual benefit my life in any way? Does it harm it?"
"What makes me happy? What steps should I take to make my life as perfect as possible?"
Making Controversial points one post at a time!
....but really how does the relate to to your grandma relying on god? That was the main thing of your post, and i dont see how.
Making Controversial points one post at a time!
gamma11 > east
Making Controversial points one post at a time!
and if you wana look at it in a REALLY narrow perspective. religion was here first ! witohut darwins theory we wouldn't have these arguments. so its evolutions fault if you really wana get into it. You contributed NOTHING, why even come on here and try to start things when you dont even want to contribute. all you ever come on and say is "God doesnt exist" "fuck religion" "i hate religion" What have you contributed to anything besides starting a flame war?
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
You found flaws in a theory. A theory is a theory and it is yet to be proven. Nothing is flawless. The past will be forever unknown for what true evidence there once was, is not there.
Honestly, this discussion is going no where.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
i recall u flaming the other dude several times and even twisting his words around... just look back he even points out where u twist his words... im done here... thanks for the laughes umpa... been good times... btw ur religion still gets outdated by ancient pagan gods... im done here lol peace
gamma11 > east
Where there is truth, he must find.
Where there is destruction, he must rebuild.
Where there is love, he must protect."
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The only difference between me and a "God fearing" man is that he reads the Bible. Otherwise I am just as generous, kind, and functional as most who attend Church.
If "God" was to keep me out just because even though I lived righteously, but didn't acknowledge him during my life...Well, that's not the kind of God I want looking after me. That is why I think most religiions are wrong.
Taylor8828: who do you think made the world?
Atheist900: All powerful invisible Elves.
FunkyGCN: God does exist
FunkyGCN: If he doesn't exsist how the hell are you here
Taylor8828: Elves???????????
Taylor8828: who made you then?
Atheist900: The great Elves have always been, yet unseen.
Atheist900: All you have to have is faith in them.
FunkyGCN: Are you on crack
Taylor8828: I don't have faith in them
Taylor8828: I believe and the one and only God.
Atheist900: Then they will burn your soul for eternity.
Taylor8828: I doubt it.
Taylor8828: God owns my soul.
Atheist900: Those are the evil Elves, they have decived you.
FunkyGCN: I think you have problems, God does exsist, He is The one and only God and you are psycho
Taylor8828: where did you get this sh*t about the Elves?
Atheist900: The Elves are the only, the true, the way, the light.
Taylor8828: where did you get the sh*t about them?
Atheist900: Ask of the great Elves and Ye shall recieve their blessed gift.
FunkyGCN: The elves are a figment of your f*cked up imagination
Taylor8828: in a fairy Tale book?
Taylor8828: No
Atheist900: Your hatred of the Elves is what closes your eyes to their presence.
Taylor8828: It says in God's word knock and the door shall be opened.
Atheist900: You have to open your heart to their will and they will bless you.
Taylor8828: ask and you shall recieve.
Taylor8828: I won't let them in me heart
Taylor8828: God is in there forever and ever
Taylor8828: he will never leave me
Atheist900: Why? Why do you hate the elves?
Atheist900: They only want to love you?
Taylor8828: I love him with all my heart, mind, and soul
Taylor8828: But I won't let them
FunkyGCN: I feel sorry for you, when We are in heaven watching you being tortured in hell
Atheist900: That saddenes the Elves. They weep for your deception
Taylor8828: God loves me forever and ever.
Taylor8828: he won't ever leave me in the dust
Atheist900: The Elves will love you forever, even if they have to condemn you.
Taylor8828: He will be there in my hard times and he will help me
FunkyGCN: GOD IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN LOVE FOREVER
Atheist900: Have you even tried to experience the Elves?
Atheist900: How do you know their love isn't real if you have not even tried?
Taylor8828: I love him and I won't stab him in the back but believing in these so called "elves"
FunkyGCN: ME TOO
Atheist900: But they are one true eternal creators. They give life and take it away.
FunkyGCN: BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ELVES
Atheist900: Do not deny them, accept their free gift and be FREE!
Taylor8828: These so called "Elves" are fake
OnlineHost: KAYTIN23 has entered the room.
Atheist900: Can you prove they are fake?
Taylor8828: God is the only true God. and he is my besfriend
KAYTIN23: What is this all about?
Taylor8828: and I won't stab him in the back like you would
Taylor8828: Yes I can
Atheist900: The Elves will show you the way if you just stop and pray to them.
Taylor8828: why would I pray to a fake God?
KAYTIN23: HELLLOOO?
Taylor8828: Listen I would like to help you but I see that I can
OnlineHost: F PETARD has entered the room.
Taylor8828: 't
Atheist900: Oh great Elves, please bless these lost souls....
FunkyGCN: If we pray to these fake elves, we would be denying God
Taylor8828: I am not a lost soul
Atheist900: Shine your loving light upon their hearts so they may recieve your eternal light.
Taylor8828: I have my God
FunkyGCN: I hope God has Mercy on you when you die
Taylor8828: Goodbye Atheist
Taylor8828: I am leaving this sh*t place now
Taylor8828: retarted butthead
And so they left.
‘I'M NOT LEAVING UNTIL WE ALL HAVE AIDS!’—The importance of calling them ‘mercenaries.’
now that's something i asy amen too, i believe in god myself but that's always been a point i disagreed with religion.
Making Controversial points one post at a time!
One of the most powerful philosophical objections to Pascal’s Wager is that it illicitly assumes that if there is a way of getting into Heaven then it is by believing in God. There are perfectly sound philosophical perspectives at the level of Pascal's Wager under the criteria of which it is by disbelieving in this deity that we earn an infinite, eternal reward. It may be, for instance, that there exists a God that punishes believers for faith and rewards nonbelievers for critical thinking, and that it is in our interests to disbelieve in God, even if only to assert our acumen to this being. It sounds silly, yes, but Pascal's position is patently sillier.
A similar thought to this has been used by Michael Martin as the basis for an atheistic version of Pascal’s Wager. If any pragmatic argument of the form of Pascal’s Wager is sound, he argues, then it is an argument for atheism, rather than for religious belief.
Consider anything that you might do in order to get to some sort of Heaven. Whether it is believing in God, or performing good works, or converting heathens, there are always two possible outcomes if there is a God. There are possible Gods that would admit you to Heaven because of what you have done, and there are possible Gods that would consign you to Hell for what you have done. Any action, then, could either lead to Heaven or to Hell. We therefore cannot decide what to do based on what consequences that course of action would have if there were a God.
We must, then, decide what to do based on what consequences that course of action would have if there were no God. We must assume that atheism is true in order to work out what actions are in our interests. Now it could be that religious belief brings sufficient happiness to those that possess it that it is better to be a believer than it is to be an atheist even if God does not exist; if that is the case then we are pragmatically justified in believing in God whatever its veracity on that ground alone.
It is plausible to think, however, that if no God exists, then the cost of religious observance outweighs its benefits -- that in an atheistic universe it is better to be an atheist. Given that assumption, if any pragmatic argument is successful, it will not be an argument for theism but for atheism.
This revised version of the Wager would go something like this:
‘I'M NOT LEAVING UNTIL WE ALL HAVE AIDS!’—The importance of calling them ‘mercenaries.’
Making Controversial points one post at a time!
Can science explain why we humans have feelings???Why when we someone suffering,we feel pity??By the way the topic is:Where is god in diablo,not where is god in REAL-LIFE!!!Well,diablo is just an RPG PC game.You cannot expect it to contain lots of religious elements.But there some religious elements in diablo> for example, the game is all about good versus evil,heaven versus hell.The diablo games also shows that in the end,GOOD always prevails and evil perishes>>>>:cool: