How to deal with reflect damage at mp6+?

  • #1
    I've a 150k barb with 5.8% leech and kill getting myself kill. Does anyone has any solution beside a 10% leech?
  • #2

    I've a 150k barb with 5.8% leech and kill getting myself kill. Does anyone has any solution beside a 10% leech?


    Try some Life on Hit gear (LoH). Pretty sure Life Steal (LS) still has a 80% nerf playing inferno MP. Buy a simple blue LoH piece to see what it does for you or specifically look at the Barb forums.
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  • #3
    Popping WOTB before checking the affixes on elites has gotten me killed a number of times by reflect damage. More life/vitality could also be an option as well as LoH
  • #4
    Up your LoH. I would stress technique but as a Barb it is tough to leave health globes behind for kiting.
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  • #5
    Moar LoH and life leech as everyone has been saying.
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  • #6
    As a 150k dps barb myself i survice just fine with 6% ls
  • #7
    Increasing armor and physical resist also helps to reduce the damage taken by damage reflect. That and increasing your LS amount is the way to go. Extra LoH will help but LoH won't scale with your dps like LS does, so if x amount of LoH works now, if you double your DPS, you'd need 2x LoH to compensate, roughly speaking.
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  • #8
    mitigation is quite important.

    I have some LoH in addition to my 3% LS on my monk. This helps because you can actually cut back on DPS and survive, while a pure LS build looses a lot of healing when lowering the DPS.
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  • #9
    At 150k dps, 5.8% life steal is more than sufficient for reflect dmg. What you need to do is adjust your play style when running into a champ pack with this affix. I admit I usually realize a mob has this affix after dying super fast. :)

    If you have Rend:Bloodlust, kite with it active. You just need to be more patient with this affix and whittle them down until they can be bursted to death.

    Gear with +health from globes is also usefulwhen you're low and running around waiting for your health to crawl back up.
  • #10
    With my Exploding Palm build, there is absolutely no way whatsoever to mitigate RD. I could have 100% LS, 2000 LoH and I would still die. I'm all the time blowing up entire champ packs simultaneously and being made to pay for being a johnny badass.

    It's a broken mechanic and needs either heavily nerfed or removed altogether. You shouldn't need temp invulnerability to survive an affix in order to use any specific skill. I've gotten better at identifying RD packs and trying to save my Serenity for the kill shot, but in group play it's hard to manage the exact time of death for a champ/Elite.
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  • #11
    IMHO the reflect damage affix is there to force people into making their style of play and the way they gear their character a bit more versitile. You can't just gear up and have 300k plus DPS and run through Act III without getting killed fast but your own doing. You need balance.
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  • #12

    I've a 150k barb with 5.8% leech and kill getting myself kill. Does anyone has any solution beside a 10% leech?


    use overpower with crushing advance

    if you are already using it you need better resists/armor/hp

    dont bother with loh, if you want more sustain get 3% more life leech

    edit: for barb reflect should be a problem only when there is also health link which destroys life leech so health link + reflect/molten/electrified are the things to be careful with

    i got owned hard by health link molten and reflect today :\
  • #13
    The problem is that it was originally designed without monster power in mind.

    The reason for reflects damage packs was to punish players that go glass cannon. When mobs die quickly due to low HP, it was less of an issue assuming you weren't a glass cannon. Smart play could reduce the difficulty of reflects damage as well(spirit walk, diamond skin, etc.). However, now that the mobs last a lot longer on higher MP levels and it changes things entirely.

    The problem is that now, even if you are at a slight health loss per second vs reflects damage, you will die. It will take longer before you get possible health globe drops and it will be longer until the mob is dead. With high MP levels, you will require a gear level that makes reflects damage no longer hurt you and forces you to play using certain builds.

    They should have done more testing with MP levels before releasing them. Reflects damage with high MP levels is an obvious problem if you tested with a Wizard or WD (or even a DH due to the requirement of Gloom due to RD packs). The skill needs to be reworked or removed due to how it interacts with high MP levels.
  • #14
    What is your armor/resistances? Pre and post War Cry? Armor and resistances reduce the dmg dealt by reflect dmg (I think it's physical type dmg) as well, so maybe you're taking a bit too much dmg because of that.
  • #15
    Reflect damage is broken. I cannot even play my WD and I have 2500 life regen. When I see a reflect damage pack, I have to kit like 2 minutes to kill them.

    I think the barb has about 600 RA and 5500 armor pre buff. I think that's more than enough. It just reflect damage is broken. If I swap the skorn with a DW (110k with 9% leech) and I will survive. But DW sux, I have a echoing fury, and it blows.
  • #16
    I swap to lower damage weapons with leech and high loh when I encounter reflects damage.

    Takes longer, but I survive.

    Reminds me of iron maiden from D2, see the 'thorns' above your head, ww'ing through a pack and boom instadeath.

    So RD and Shielding, 2 of the most annoying affixes
  • #17
    im barb with 5,70 ls and 680 loh and i don't die from reflect damage.
    I have about 600 res.
  • #18

    im barb with 5,70 ls and 680 loh and i don't die from reflect damage.
    I have about 600 res.


    Too little information. If you don't mind me asking, what is your armor? What is your unbuffed resistance? What is your EHP? What DPS are you running? Any more infor for those posting might help out a bit.
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  • #19


    Too little information. If you don't mind me asking, what is your armor? What is your unbuffed resistance? What is your EHP? What DPS are you running? Any more infor for those posting might help out a bit.


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  • #20
    Basically more resistance/armor, loh, life steal is the only way. If you have enough damage to steal (with just the ls, ignoring the loh) more than they deal, more damage obviously helps too.

    I've noticed some packs with reflect damage seem to reflect much more than others, even on the same monster power level.

    Also, a lot of times while you may still heal by attacking reflect packs, due to reflect you will heal a lot less than you normally would and thus their other abilities would be more difficult to mitigate and you'd actually have to try avoid them more than you normally do (aka stay out of molten/arcane/etc).
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