Just got my melee wizard to 60 and dropped 15 mil to get him enough gear that should let me farm Act 3 at least. But while my resists and defensive stats are awesome along with a pretty decent damage I have 0 MF%. I am also in that group of people who refuses to swap gear unless Blizzard adds a WoW type function where you can swap gear sets with 1 click. I just find opening your bags and then swapping every piece of gear for every single elite fight the dumbest thing ever put into a game. Will I still be able to farm or did I just waste my time leveling and gearing this character when I have a monk with 240% MF on his normal gear that can just farm Act 1 all day with ease?
Yes. It will slow you down a lot, because you'll not get the increased special drop you get from increased mf. It's trying to find a balance between finding killer items and survivability.
I've found 9 legendaries and two set items (tals & Innas) in the last three weeks with zero MF other than NV....and the Tals dropped with exactly zero.
With guarantee drops with a 5 stack...I'm not sure I understand the point of MF at all in D3. You're going to get something and MF doesn't increase the chance that said drops will be of any better quality than what will drop without it.......stacking NV of course.
I cheat by loading the follower with MF, while the character itself carries only what he gets incidentally plus a good piece or two. Not as good as full-swapping, but faster to me.
You can farm without it for sure, NV adds a nice amount. But in all honesty, you want MF. A small amount as just 50% and you will notice a few less whites for sure.
You can also see how more MF can really start to affect the amount of rares you see. Though it wont give you -better- rares, it gives you a lot more, thus, you'll end up with more good items per run (due to getting more items, and more chances at good rolls)
you will definitely get more rares with higher mf. if you can add mf to your set without sacrificing clearing speed then do it. my own little test showed a ~10% increase going from 91mf to 197mf. it should be easy for anyone to get at least 50-100 mf without sacrificing damage and defense.
also gold find isn't a bad option either. you know for certain that gold is going to drop. enough gold find will more than double your pick ups from a run. it adds up.
I did a small test with a friend about this and he was really upset. We both ran the same solo act 1 farm routes, I wore my GF gear (230%) with about 50% MF that kinda just came as extra stats on the GF gear. My friend wore 250% MF gear. We both tore thru the same routes in the same amount of time and I got about 45 rares, my friend got 37. My pile of rares had 3-5 ilvl 63's while my friends pile had 1. One could easily say my friend just didnt get as many pack's or was just unlucky, but I like to think MF just isnt worth the effort. If you find peace's, sure, keep em, but DONT use it if it gimps your dps. The faster you can kill packs, the faster you can 5 stack NV and get that guranteed rare. Also mabey there is just a sweet spot with MF, where once you have way to much it just doesn't help as much as people would like to think it does.
TLDR: zero MF won't gimp your farming. Taking more than 10 seconds to kill packs WILL gimp your farming. AKA get sick dps, MELT packs, get loots faster.
P.S LoL'ing @ my friend who swore MF was worth it was priceless =D
I did a small test with a friend about this and he was really upset. We both ran the same solo act 1 farm routes, I wore my GF gear (230%) with about 50% MF that kinda just came as extra stats on the GF gear. My friend wore 250% MF gear. We both tore thru the same routes in the same amount of time and I got about 45 rares, my friend got 37. My pile of rares had 3-5 ilvl 63's while my friends pile had 1. One could easily say my friend just didnt get as many pack's or was just unlucky, but I like to think MF just isnt worth the effort. If you find peace's, sure, keep em, but DONT use it if it gimps your dps. The faster you can kill packs, the faster you can 5 stack NV and get that guranteed rare. Also mabey there is just a sweet spot with MF, where once you have way to much it just doesn't help as much as people would like to think it does.
TLDR: zero MF won't gimp your farming. Taking more than 10 seconds to kill packs WILL gimp your farming. AKA get sick dps, MELT packs, get loots faster.
P.S LoL'ing @ my friend who swore MF was worth it was priceless =D
One run isn't a statistical sample at all. Once you do that 1000 times and post the average I will care.
There is no point to farming without MF. That's like exercising while filling your fat face with twinkies and milkshakes.
It really is not hard to put together a set of MF gear that's capable of farming all of act 1.
Except for, you know, efficiently farming A3 as a melee class. In A1, yes, it's very easy to do it with a MF set, but if you're soloing as a melee in A3 or A4, it's not very viable to get a set with very high MF that also will provide efficient farming.
When I used to farm A1, I would use almost full MF gear and be up over 300% with NV and didn't have to swap any gear, just full cleared the act in this gear. Now that I'm farming A3 as a solo melee class, however, I chose to ignore MF other than what is on my follower and what shows up on my gear naturally (still 100%+ with NV) in order to farm as fast and efficiently as possible. I currently clear full A3 runs in just over an hour, averaging an elite pack every 2 minutes or less over the entire duration of the run which provides 30+ elite packs. Doing it like this with few or no deaths is much more efficient and enjoyable to me, rather than dealing with the hassle of trying to swap gear as a solo melee, or looking for gear with all the perfect damage/survival stats that also happens to have MF.
For a longer term solution, I would recommend gradually replacing gear one by one once your gear is comfortable enough to farm A3 normally. At that point, you could maybe drop a few stats on a piece or two in favor of some more MF, but that's just my suggestion. Given that MF will be changed soon in some fashion or another, I personally am choosing not to bother investing in really expensive MF gear that may lose all its value.
It's optional. It helps, but if you don't want to use it you really don't have to. I started building a MF set and I didn't really notice much difference with the loot. There was a difference but it wasn't a huge difference. Now when I farm I don't even really bother with it. My income from it is pretty much the exact same.
No, you don't need MF at all, especially since it does close to nothing right now anyway.
Uh... you're retarded aren't you? I am sitting at 300 MF and elite packs drop an average of 3 rares for me. But that obviously has nothing to do with MF at all right?
You get three on average, I get two. Very rarely do I not get at least one. I have 2 pieces with small amounts of magic find.
What's better, farming A1 w/ 240 MF or A3 with 0 MF... not sure on that one exactly. I'd probably say A3 though assuming it's at pretty close to the same pace.
Because you can get 6 affixes on items... there's no reason to not get MF eventually, but if you don't have any yet it's not a huge deal to just farm A3 w/ NV.
People saying MF is bad don't play the game enough or something, not sure. Keep in mind that MF means it multiplies your chance to get X quality of an item. It doesn't alter the affixes or # of items, just the chance for a white item to turn yellow, etc. Anyways, that increased chance is going to be most notable at the highest levels 350+ and A3/4/WS. People who are looking for a difference between like 100 and 200 MF in A1 aren't doing it right. You get rares more often from white mobs with high MF too... so it's more than just comparing elites/champion packs.
With 6 possible stats, you want to get MF eventually but farming A3 with only NV isn't bad at all imo.
I've been farming act 1 with I think 14% MF that just happens to be on my belt. I don't get a ton of rares but two runs got me 13 ilvl61s, 14 ilvl62s, and 1 ilvl63. And one legendary but I think that was just pure luck, I wasn't even at 5 stacks yet.
So it can definitely be profitable if the stats on the items roll right. You make quite a bit in gold from low level blues rares as well and salvage the lvl 60+ crappy blues.
Every elite at 5 stacks of NV is guaranteed to drop at least one rare, I think its the same for bosses though it might be more than one guaranteed.
If you want MF depends on how it effects your rares/hour and that's only something you can figure out.
If putting on MF actually lowers your rares/hour because it cuts too much into your efficiency then you shouldn't use MF, but if it increases your rares/hour because you're already outgearing the content significantly then you'll want to use MF.
Changing the gear is stupid yes, but it's not exactly difficult. You should do it until it's nerfed/changed. Anything else is not optimal, but that's your choice.
it takes up time that you could be using killing...need X amount of MF before it's worth wasting extra time
No, you don't need MF at all, especially since it does close to nothing right now anyway.
You are AMAZINGLY and TERRIBLY wrong to the point that I doubt you even play D3. To sit there and try to tell anyone that MF does nothing is.... the most amazing display of ignorance I have ever seen. I have 300 MF when I am farming and elite packs drop an average of 3 rares for me, so are you going to really sit there and tell me if I had 0 MF I would still be getting 3 rare drops a pack on average? Really? How exactly is it that you became the News Reporter for this site when you don't even play Diablo 3 enough to know how MF works?
I've found 9 legendaries and two set items (tals & Innas) in the last three weeks with zero MF other than NV....and the Tals dropped with exactly zero.
With guarantee drops with a 5 stack...I'm not sure I understand the point of MF at all in D3. You're going to get something and MF doesn't increase the chance that said drops will be of any better quality than what will drop without it.......stacking NV of course.
In my MF suit I get 3 rares / pack. I laugh when people talk about a guaranteed 1 rare per pack and then complain that they never get any good stuff. When you're playing the lotto, the more tickets you have, the better your chances.
With guarantee drops with a 5 stack...I'm not sure I understand the point of MF at all in D3. You're going to get something and MF doesn't increase the chance that said drops will be of any better quality than what will drop without it.......stacking NV of course.
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It really is not hard to put together a set of MF gear that's capable of farming all of act 1.
"You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.."
Obviously, you don't truely play enough to realize just how good Magic Find is.
Also, taking a look at this thread: http://www.diablofans.com/topic/57939-ongoing-project-magic-find-and-its-efficiency-a-statistical-insight/
You can also see how more MF can really start to affect the amount of rares you see. Though it wont give you -better- rares, it gives you a lot more, thus, you'll end up with more good items per run (due to getting more items, and more chances at good rolls)
You should try to change your gear one item at a time and get some MF.
also gold find isn't a bad option either. you know for certain that gold is going to drop. enough gold find will more than double your pick ups from a run. it adds up.
TLDR: zero MF won't gimp your farming. Taking more than 10 seconds to kill packs WILL gimp your farming. AKA get sick dps, MELT packs, get loots faster.
P.S LoL'ing @ my friend who swore MF was worth it was priceless =D
One run isn't a statistical sample at all. Once you do that 1000 times and post the average I will care.
Except for, you know, efficiently farming A3 as a melee class. In A1, yes, it's very easy to do it with a MF set, but if you're soloing as a melee in A3 or A4, it's not very viable to get a set with very high MF that also will provide efficient farming.
When I used to farm A1, I would use almost full MF gear and be up over 300% with NV and didn't have to swap any gear, just full cleared the act in this gear. Now that I'm farming A3 as a solo melee class, however, I chose to ignore MF other than what is on my follower and what shows up on my gear naturally (still 100%+ with NV) in order to farm as fast and efficiently as possible. I currently clear full A3 runs in just over an hour, averaging an elite pack every 2 minutes or less over the entire duration of the run which provides 30+ elite packs. Doing it like this with few or no deaths is much more efficient and enjoyable to me, rather than dealing with the hassle of trying to swap gear as a solo melee, or looking for gear with all the perfect damage/survival stats that also happens to have MF.
For a longer term solution, I would recommend gradually replacing gear one by one once your gear is comfortable enough to farm A3 normally. At that point, you could maybe drop a few stats on a piece or two in favor of some more MF, but that's just my suggestion. Given that MF will be changed soon in some fashion or another, I personally am choosing not to bother investing in really expensive MF gear that may lose all its value.
You get three on average, I get two. Very rarely do I not get at least one. I have 2 pieces with small amounts of magic find.
What's better, farming A1 w/ 240 MF or A3 with 0 MF... not sure on that one exactly. I'd probably say A3 though assuming it's at pretty close to the same pace.
Because you can get 6 affixes on items... there's no reason to not get MF eventually, but if you don't have any yet it's not a huge deal to just farm A3 w/ NV.
People saying MF is bad don't play the game enough or something, not sure. Keep in mind that MF means it multiplies your chance to get X quality of an item. It doesn't alter the affixes or # of items, just the chance for a white item to turn yellow, etc. Anyways, that increased chance is going to be most notable at the highest levels 350+ and A3/4/WS. People who are looking for a difference between like 100 and 200 MF in A1 aren't doing it right. You get rares more often from white mobs with high MF too... so it's more than just comparing elites/champion packs.
With 6 possible stats, you want to get MF eventually but farming A3 with only NV isn't bad at all imo.
So it can definitely be profitable if the stats on the items roll right. You make quite a bit in gold from low level blues rares as well and salvage the lvl 60+ crappy blues.
Every elite at 5 stacks of NV is guaranteed to drop at least one rare, I think its the same for bosses though it might be more than one guaranteed.
If putting on MF actually lowers your rares/hour because it cuts too much into your efficiency then you shouldn't use MF, but if it increases your rares/hour because you're already outgearing the content significantly then you'll want to use MF.
it takes up time that you could be using killing...need X amount of MF before it's worth wasting extra time
You are AMAZINGLY and TERRIBLY wrong to the point that I doubt you even play D3. To sit there and try to tell anyone that MF does nothing is.... the most amazing display of ignorance I have ever seen. I have 300 MF when I am farming and elite packs drop an average of 3 rares for me, so are you going to really sit there and tell me if I had 0 MF I would still be getting 3 rare drops a pack on average? Really? How exactly is it that you became the News Reporter for this site when you don't even play Diablo 3 enough to know how MF works?