Running T&T without a phys build is basically ditching 20% to all fire damage for 50% of the base attack speed.. that math doesnt add to TnT being better for a fire build at all..
for yourself no, but I think you're underestimating how much pets and sentries benefit from the 50% attack speed.
Fire builds are honestly great for those who havnt gotten to T6 sub 10 yet.. try to get their with a fire build and you need to get lucky with the packs, density, and way to many other things to make fire > phys.. phys turrets are by far the DH end game for anything efficient in T6.
How so unless you're using Guardian Turrets for survival.
Here's a little secret Deatherian, you can use Sentry with Spitfire Turretas Physical, it wont changeShooting StarorSupression Fire to fire, so still 3 x 400% from SS > 3 x 160% from Arsenal, Ballistics is awesome for SS, it even has higher damage than the initial impact if you're 1 on 1'ing a RG, and no, Spitfire Turret "proc" is not even significant enough to put it into SS vs Arsenal comparison, in fact, iwould have the +15% reduce dmg from Guardian Turret if i werent running Mr Yan.
I know it won't, but the rockets from spitfire are still Fire are they not? Also the 3 rockets from SS don't all fire if there are less than 3 targets to hit, whereas the grenades from LfB can all hit. And why compare SS vs Arsenal when with M6 you'll be running both CA and MS with difference being the runes for each. You should compare Arsenal vs Broadside/Suppression (I'd prob lean Broadside since I'm not having any issues with Disc). I would like to see the math on that. Do the 3 rockets from Arsenal boosted by Ballistics outdps the 460% wpn dmg from Broadside?
Instead of just comparing SS vs Arsenal's rockets. What we really need is SS + Broadside vs LfB + Arsenal.
PS, I was going to ask as well before I finished reading your whole post. If Spitfire's rockets are so insignicant, and even more so for phy build, and if you don't need Guardian, would it be better to run Impaling instead or do the rockets still do better than impaling via Ballistics even w/o +fire gear?
How is the 100% rocket damage from Ballistics applied? Does it mean it doubles or if they originally do 400% they now do 500%?
I've been keeping up with this thread. Like I said prior - I've tested both Phys and Fire and I can say with TnT Phys is overwhelming favorite for T6. I highly suggest you try this if you have not already.
How is the 100% rocket damage from Ballistics applied? Does it mean it doubles or if they originally do 400% they now do 500%?
I've been keeping up with this thread. Like I said prior - I've tested both Phys and Fire and I can say with TnT Phys is overwhelming favorite for T6. I highly suggest you try this if you have not already.
What was your testing method? I'm not sure atm if I have enough Souls to reroll physical on my SoJ, bracers, and amulet. Will certainly give it a try though if I can. So you went with Ballistics + CA:SS + MS:Broadside + Spitfire?
I run a similar spec, but with some fire dmg instead (you can see some %phys cause I'm in the process of converting and was toying with both) and honestly I can say both specs are t6 viable. I can say TnT is honestly the biggest difference maker if you're deciding on a physical build. It's great in the build I'm using as well.
Physical builds are super viable
I just couldn't sit there and literally watch people say physical is trash.....
At this point in time, I really do think it's whatever your preference is. Fire and Physical both succeed with a good setup.
TnT should be mandatory for physical builds...
...and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Mara 6pc is undeniably in the lead for build setups for both fire and physical.....the frequency at which these turrets spit out hatred spenders is just.....redonkuolous
If I take 6pc Mara to be the most important part of the fire build.......I can honestly say I'm going to Take TnT over cindercoat because of the sentries.
Calmity is a support bow, have you tried to double mark for 40% more damage? It may come close to a 2h. The attk speed on 1h inflates the paper dps but doesnt do much for the actual sentry.
OP, i would move to phy until you get 6pc, then make your decision based on current gear.
With a ballista i prefer fire, 770% + 74% fire + 36% elite *3 is pretty darn strong (grenades only drop off the 3rd pierce). With a pull monk its amazing.
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I run a similar spec, but with some fire dmg instead (you can see some %phys cause I'm in the process of converting and was toying with both) and honestly I can say both specs are t6 viable. I can say TnT is honestly the biggest difference maker if you're deciding on a physical build. It's great in the build I'm using as well.
Physical builds are super viable
I just couldn't sit there and literally watch people say physical is trash.....
At this point in time, I really do think it's whatever your preference is. Fire and Physical both succeed with a good setup.
TnT should be mandatory for physical builds...
...and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Mara 6pc is undeniably in the lead for build setups for both fire and physical.....the frequency at which these turrets spit out hatred spenders is just.....redonkuolous
If I take 6pc Mara to be the most important part of the fire build.......I can honestly say I'm going to Take TnT over cindercoat because of the sentries.
So are you saying physical or fire is your build of choice for t6? For me physical wins T6.
Fire builds are honestly great for those who havnt gotten to T6 sub 10 yet.. try to get their with a fire build and you need to get lucky with the packs, density, and way to many other things to make fire > phys.. phys turrets are by far the DH end game for anything efficient in T6.
How so unless you're using Guardian Turrets for survival.
Death, you have a sub 10 min T6 run w/ a fire build?.. I have never seen one...
So are you saying physical or fire is your build of choice for t6? For me physical wins T6.
Well I had a pet garwulf/4mara/tnt physical build.......and I was doing T6 with ease.....new fire build with 6pc.....still doing it with ease...about to toy with your 6pc phys.....gonna have to suspect aht will be done with ease too.....lol,
I've had success with physical and fire builds on DH. So I personally think its a preference. But then again I'm not sitting here with a stopwatch timing my runs.....I like to play with my own pace and get lazy (still probably 15-20 min at most lol) and use my naga while playing/watching TV. So.......I'm not gonna sit here and be like I know fire/phys is the best.....I just think both are viable lol.
I'm just here to defend that physical builds are viable and aren't trash like one of the first posts mentioned lol.
So are you saying physical or fire is your build of choice for t6? For me physical wins T6.
Well I had a pet garwulf/4mara/tnt physical build.......and I was doing T6 with ease.....new fire build with 6pc.....still doing it with ease...about to toy with your 6pc phys.....gonna have to suspect aht will be done with ease too.....lol,
I've had success with physical and fire builds on DH. So I personally think its a preference. But then again I'm not sitting here with a stopwatch timing my runs.....I like to play with my own pace and get lazy (still probably 15-20 min at most lol) and use my naga while playing/watching TV. So.......I'm not gonna sit here and be like I know fire/phys is the best.....I just think both are viable lol.
I'm just here to defend that physical builds are viable and aren't trash like one of the first posts mentioned lol.
I know a lot of DHs on this forum including Chad who just posted and we have clearly came to the conclusion that while both are viable for T6 , physical is the most efficient for farming T6 rifts
Its nice that we can have this debate, we have a lot more diversity now. Once i gamble a zuni chest ill start gambling for tnt's. Ive gotten 2 jades but no zuni, its getting annoying.
So are you saying physical or fire is your build of choice for t6? For me physical wins T6.
Well I had a pet garwulf/4mara/tnt physical build.......and I was doing T6 with ease.....new fire build with 6pc.....still doing it with ease...about to toy with your 6pc phys.....gonna have to suspect aht will be done with ease too.....lol,
I've had success with physical and fire builds on DH. So I personally think its a preference. But then again I'm not sitting here with a stopwatch timing my runs.....I like to play with my own pace and get lazy (still probably 15-20 min at most lol) and use my naga while playing/watching TV. So.......I'm not gonna sit here and be like I know fire/phys is the best.....I just think both are viable lol.
I'm just here to defend that physical builds are viable and aren't trash like one of the first posts mentioned lol.
I know a lot of DHs on this forum including Chad who just posted and we have clearly came to the conclusion that while both are viable for T6 , physical is the most efficient for farming T6 rifts
Good to know, like I said I'm no expert. Just a person who likes to play and watch ESPN at the same time lol. Nothing like killing stuff while listening to Stephen A Smith shout in the background.
So are you saying physical or fire is your build of choice for t6? For me physical wins T6.
Well I had a pet garwulf/4mara/tnt physical build.......and I was doing T6 with ease.....new fire build with 6pc.....still doing it with ease...about to toy with your 6pc phys.....gonna have to suspect aht will be done with ease too.....lol,
I've had success with physical and fire builds on DH. So I personally think its a preference. But then again I'm not sitting here with a stopwatch timing my runs.....I like to play with my own pace and get lazy (still probably 15-20 min at most lol) and use my naga while playing/watching TV. So.......I'm not gonna sit here and be like I know fire/phys is the best.....I just think both are viable lol.
I'm just here to defend that physical builds are viable and aren't trash like one of the first posts mentioned lol.
I know a lot of DHs on this forum including Chad who just posted and we have clearly came to the conclusion that while both are viable for T6 , physical is the most efficient for farming T6 rifts
Good to know, like I said I'm no expert. Just a person who likes to play and watch ESPN at the same time lol. Nothing like killing stuff while listening to Stephen A Smith shout in the background.
Instead of just comparing SS vs Arsenal's rockets. What we really need is SS + Broadside vs LfB + Arsenal.
PS, I was going to ask as well before I finished reading your whole post. If Spitfire's rockets are so insignicant, and even more so for phy build, and if you don't need Guardian, would it be better to run Impaling instead or do the rockets still do better than impaling via Ballistics even w/o +fire gear?
I assume you have TnT?
Test method: Run T6 rifts over and over - you will see the efficiency and effectiveness of physical build (more automatic damage and survive-ability)
I should add if you are just looking for a build to single target RGs or Ghom then yes Fire but for T6 Rifts Physical is superior.
I run a similar spec, but with some fire dmg instead (you can see some %phys cause I'm in the process of converting and was toying with both) and honestly I can say both specs are t6 viable. I can say TnT is honestly the biggest difference maker if you're deciding on a physical build. It's great in the build I'm using as well.
Physical builds are super viable
I just couldn't sit there and literally watch people say physical is trash.....
At this point in time, I really do think it's whatever your preference is. Fire and Physical both succeed with a good setup.
TnT should be mandatory for physical builds...
...and I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Mara 6pc is undeniably in the lead for build setups for both fire and physical.....the frequency at which these turrets spit out hatred spenders is just.....redonkuolous
If I take 6pc Mara to be the most important part of the fire build.......I can honestly say I'm going to Take TnT over cindercoat because of the sentries.
OP, i would move to phy until you get 6pc, then make your decision based on current gear.
With a ballista i prefer fire, 770% + 74% fire + 36% elite *3 is pretty darn strong (grenades only drop off the 3rd pierce). With a pull monk its amazing.
I've had success with physical and fire builds on DH. So I personally think its a preference. But then again I'm not sitting here with a stopwatch timing my runs.....I like to play with my own pace and get lazy (still probably 15-20 min at most lol) and use my naga while playing/watching TV. So.......I'm not gonna sit here and be like I know fire/phys is the best.....I just think both are viable lol.
I'm just here to defend that physical builds are viable and aren't trash like one of the first posts mentioned lol.
Sorry I won't deter this thread anymore! lol.
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