On the hardcore/softcore discussion, I'd like to say that it all comes down to a good "death penalty" for softcore. I'd say we're getting closer to that than ever. Harsh death penalties on softcore impose a choice of risk dying and having to spend resources (time walking, gold, maybe gems [!]) or having more Toughness.
Also, for the record, my own personal opinion is that D3's current end-game meta-game has some issues. Both in terms of cross-class balance, and in terms of same-class build balance (for most classes).
I'm playing a hardcore Wiz and Demon Hunter, and I know that getting insanely mediocre Firebird or Marauder sets (which is supposedly "easy" these days) will easily kick my DPS to T3-4 material (and will demand that I use Fire on my "master of elements" char), and will absolutely outperform any near perfect rolls Legendary that I had up to that moment. Not by a mere 10-20%, but sometimes by 200-300%. That on top of easier resource management and a lot more safety in terms of combat movement and positioning. It's just too much of a difference.
To me, that is an extremely disengaging, disencouraging end-game goal.
Right now, I feel a lot more compelled to play the mid-game, where finding a Wand of Woh or a Rimeheart can make me the happiest guy on Earth and definitely make me change my build (and make me hoard materials for when I do find those), than excited to reach the end-game where I know I'm gonna look the same as every other Wizard out there.
Ok, so I'm pretty irritated at blizzard right now, and I posted this originally on the Bnet general forums and within 15 minutes the thread had been deleted and my account suspended for 7 days. They said " the previous post was removed due to the fact that it offered no constructive feedback which could help bring benefit to the game and/or the community." And in my opinion that is total BS, so I'll post here what I said because apparently Blizzard does not want people to hear it.
Blizzard needs to start implementing and fixing the many problems in this game very soon or they will lose many of their more experienced and loyal player base. The only reason that I am still playing this game is because of 1 friend (all the rest have already left) and because of the fact that I played Diablo and Diablo 2 and remember the way that Blizzard used to make games. If blizzard does not start to fix many of their issues this will no longer be enough of a reason for me and many other experienced players to continue playing this game.
I started playing D3V the day it was released and I did have a lot of fun, but there were many bugs and balance issues, this however was not a problem because I do understand that with a new game things like this take a bit of time to fix. Blizzard promised to balance things and release new content, well they did and things were still not balanced, the new content was lackluster and buggy, but thats still ok, its a newish game and blance takes time..... this has gone on since the release of D3V and me and many of the other top players are getting tired of this and are seriously considering quitting for good.
Patch 2.1 saw a lot of new content and new things to do, but once again there are SOOO many bugs and balance issues. The patch has gone on long enough for blizzard to know what needs to be fixed and to fix it. Yet they will not do this for quite a while (this is the way it has always been). For example, shortly after RoS came out, blizzard introduced a bug that caused the FS fetishes to replace the FA fetishes and thus caused the pet WD to not do well, well it took Blizzard till now to fix it, and now that they have blizzard has screwed up the pet health so much that Pet WDs cant even play in GRIfts. How is it that when there is a EXP exploit (like last week) blizzard can fix that overnight but something like this takes them months? Dont try to tell me that it "takes time" or that it is "difficult to implement" because I have done a lot of programming and I know exactly how easy and fast this is to fix!
Blizzard on countless occasions has promised us more build and gear diversity and yet in 2.1 there are less build and gear options then in 1.8! Seriously many of blizzards most loyal customers (Friends and I have played almost every blizzard game that has come out) are going to leave if blizzard does not start to follow through with what they promises. I have played from the release of D3V till now simply on the hopes that they will deliver what they promise, but this will not go on for much longer (especially after they banned my account because I posted this simply because they did not like it).
TLDR: Blizzard if you keep on promising us things and never delivering you will lose some of you best players and supporters.
Anyway, that is what I posted and it really pisses me off that it was removed and I had my account suspended. I have supported blizzard forever, I have been an active member on their forums supplying constructive feedback and support since D3 came out, and just because they do not like honesty they ban me??!?!??! Seriously??
Judging by your response, you are a WD that hasn't programmed a single thing in his life. That being said, I find your thread to offer nothing constructive and can wait in queue with the other 120910219 threads that basically say the same thing: "Blizzard, I am the voice of _ALL_ the players and you need to listen to what I have to say, otherwise this / that prophecy will be fulfilled" K...
Seriously, I dislike a lot of things going on in the game right now, but I have major doubts that posts like this one will fix any of them.
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"Come into the dark, for when I'm done with you, even the light won't recognize you"
@ Stollz please stop being an idiot! GO BACK AND READ THROUGH THE PREVIOUS POSTS!!!! IF YOU ARE TO LAZY TO ACTUALLY READ WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID YOU WILL NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY HERE!!!!!
Man, idiots are so irritating
@Zero(pS) Thanks for your response I do see what the other side is saying, and I can empathize with them. While I do not think that a good middle ground can be found, simply because when it comes to opinions and not facts you can throw ideas around all day and never know what is really true, I do not think that there is necessarily a need to agree. I am not saying argue ad eternum, but simply understanding where the other side is coming from and not being a total ass is as good as you can hope for on forums like these.
All in all though I agree with your first post, however on the topic of HC/SC I think that a death penalty is a horrible idea, and in fact I think they need to change a little how deaths work in Grifts. Let me tell you why I think this though First off, not everyone has amazing internet, I for one have very very unstable internet, it is simply the only option I have for where I live; so if I am getting killed when my internet goes all funny (it happens pretty often) I am getting a penalty for something that I have absolutely no control over. Second, most of the time that I get killed it is due to bugs in the game or bad mechanics, I get killed more often by things that do not even hit me and are not even near me then I do get legitimately killed; for example just the other day in a Grift 43 there was some bugged invisible monster that kept oneshoting most of my team, we would be running along nothing in the area and someone would just drop dead. Granted if you play in HC you are probably not going to be playing in a difficulty that will let you get oneshoted so you might not have noticed things like this. Now if I die because I do something stupid that is a total different story, but penalizing players for stuff out of their control does not seem like a good idea to me.
Quote from Namw2423»Just to get a few things right, Blizzard and their developers know so much more about their game and especialy about developing and balancing a game than someone like Hyperion1407 does. They don't need to listen to his advice, they don't need to care if they lose "their most experienced players"
By the way, why are Blizzard games a among the best in their genre? Because they know what they are doing. You obviously don't.
Do Blizzard and their developers know so much more about their game and developing and balancing then some of their most experienced players? Really? Ok, then explain to me why the Monk class has been garbage for the last 6 months? Explain to me whey 90% of the top players looked at the monk and the monk sets the second RoS came out and decided to play WD/DH/Barb/Crusader? Explain to me why someone like myself looked at the Raiment of a Thousand storms set the second RoS came out and said "the damage on the 6 set bonus needs to be more like 3000-5000%" without even having to play test it? Are you saying that blizzard was like "Lets make the Raiment of a Thousand storms set 100% weapon damage so that the crappy monk class has a crappy set to go with it! YEAH!" and then 3 months later were like "hummm what the hell, I'm board lets boost the damage on the crappy monk set to 3000% for shits and giggles"? Why does blizzard have the PTR? IF THEY ARE SO AMAZING shouldn't streams of perfect code flow from their fingertips without having to test it?
Oh and just out of morbid curiosity, where did i say that I could fix the problem in just a few hours????? NOWHERE!!!
STFU GTFO
Oh, and just FYI, just because someone can do something better then other does not make them good at it For example if you have a foot race with a bunch of 3 year olds, just because one can stumble along better then the others does not make it a good runner Good logic bro!
Ever heard the quote "in the land of the blind the one eyed man is King"?
nerf the shit out of the dmg taken , as if billionairelifepool guardians and minibillionaire leets crapping all over your face with all kinds of affixes isn´t enough i´ve to fight them for this reason from a screen and half away 75%of the time as "super easy demon hunter destroyer of worlds"
how do melees enjoy the game? they don´t they force themselves to be supportsluts for the ranged dps and call worth it.
redicoulus scaling on hp and offense regarding mobs making it extremely stupid to gear against.
here are 2 unities and follower trinket use these at some point or get rekt.
here is this set u must use this because without them your class is doing pathetic dmg for grifts
there are 2 options right now as DH personally how the game works solo
get lucky with density and mobtype + pylon
cheese the AI with LoS and staying out of range from their affixes
"i can roll a dh and do t6 grifts+ in 100 hours"
thats a pretty hilarious statement - 100 hours might net you a few crappy rolls of legos and a few setpieces you go and try higher grifts with shitgear see how it goes - i dont take regular rifts into account because of the fact how powerful gems are if you´ve 3 of em slotted.
Back ontopic - blizz doesn´t seem to have a lot of manpower dedicated to d3 and it´s on very low prio
the fact we´ve gotten a "ladder" which is already extremely skrewed by griftXPloits shows how little thought and disregard of feedback has gone into it.
"blizzard the density and maplayouts in grifts is terrible"
"OMG ITS NOT IT STAY HOW IT IS"
this is pretty much the tl;dr version of how they reacted to the feedback regarding grifts.
TONS of RNG in Grifts leading to russian roulette leaderboards - playerskill is taken out of the equation as soon as oneshot unavoidable mechanics skyrocket (jailer mostly for ranged ontop of that electrify for melees and orbs for everyone)
some of these are avoidable electrify for melee can be hardly avoided as in they either skip em or have an ignore amu with shitty rolls or if they got lucky with good ones.
same goes for DH Countess or stack toughness like a bruiser because ye man i totally want to TANK THINGS but because the scaling is infinite and redicoulus solo (no warQQ no mantras you get the point)
Seasonal Weapons - What were they thinking?!
2HBow shooting Bolas , the most undervalued and unused skill in DH history the laughing stock of generators gets a seasononly item as if it would magically make it useful. yet again a failure of an item (perhaps in grps its argueable)
anyway i could come up with a lot more complaints but these are for me personally the most pressing ones
-lack of diversity among classes
-cookiecutter syndrome
-insane hp and offense on mobs past a certain point balancing edps and ehp seems impossible forcing you to cheese content
-lack of new itemization
-disrespecting and disregarding complaints about elite affixes dmg implementing grifts as sort of a beta with shitty layouts and density overall
Overall this is a game i always take a break from , but always come back to after a major patch to see what´s poppin.
However i gave up on giving feedback for years now to any blizzard game yet alone post on their forums since they seem to live in an autistic world where they are always right and the customer is wrong
"why cant we hoard bloodshards past 500?"
"Because we dont want you to hoard"
really? just one of many examples an actual blizzard employee responded to this minor "issue"
You pretty much nailed it ... Anytime I try and bring something up to them they more or less say shut up your wrong lol.
you all take the fun out of games. Balance this...Fix that....do it or I leave. Then leave already! Stop crying and go. Blizzard already got your money! Sure I'm no hardcore player and not running 40+ lvl Grifts, but I have fun playing no matter what class I play. People say classes are broken..why? Do their moves not work? Is there no gear? no no no...let me guess one class does more dmg than another class. I think this is a trend with Blizzard players..just like in WoW people think they can cry and bitch enough so they "balance" the classes. That ruined WoW...shit why not D3 while you at it....or a better ideal try thinking outside the box or once and make the classes work for you.
No the problem is. previous blizzard games were based off of quality over quantity and money.. That is the issue, now a days people are handed shit on a silver plate and they go, "Well at least it is on a silver plate." And they accept mediocre.... That is the problem blizzard is catering to people who just get on and casual play, what makes them the most "money" and that is fine to make money, but to spit in the face of every loyal customer from the beginning is bit much bull shit. I would say at least 80% of the people posting on this thread have no idea wtf they are talking about.
Amen to that... He tries to present " valid " arguments , but math and the clear numbers in the leaderboards will win any theory or argument he comes up with.
Speaking of a new content and new set bonuses and skill changes all around and so many classes combined and getting almost the same result in the leaderboard from the first season is more than I personally expected from blizz so I will give them a big plus on that.
The fact that some classes are easier to play, others perform better with certain items, other perform better with less items... is expecting simply too much from the first season.
I guarantee you any range class will be easier to play than a melee class, but on the other hand you can't make the melee classes invincible ( even if you can atm, I can play barb,monk and crus support, good luck tanking with WD.Wizz and DH)
So then the questions remain:
What would you do instead ? You realize that buffing in one side might unbalance the game even more ? You realize blizz don't have an army of developers to do our bidding every time? Do you remember the wall of text with buffs and changes in 2.1 ? Can you imagine the amount of testing and work needed to make all those changes and not literally throw this game to the trashcan ?
I'm quite happy with what they did, considering pre 2.1 the game was ...below terrible end game, mechanic-wise, balance-wise ( Now ofc WD players would say I'm wrong... but that's just super selfish thinking ).
I play barb... I was forced to play DH,WD,Crus and wizz to have some fun too. Right now, barbs are beyond garbage on HC.
Doing this ( Barb is still my fav class) I discovered the other classes and got to have a ton of fun with them. Of course I want my barb to be viable like the other classes, and I'm sure eventually they will be ( I hope). But speaking on behalf of the community is a bit too much... It's just an opinion and there will always be a group of unsatisfied people no matter how good the game will be.
P.S.: I'm not bashing anyone here, I complained like a little girl in the 2.1 PTR feedback sections every day to get my class and spec buffed ( literally posted like a shamless retard) and I tried and succeeded to gather a group of unsatisfied people on my subject and we got what we wanted in the end. So I hope the changes you want ( and rest assured I want them too) will come as soon as possible, but we can't all be end of the world prophets about it, the game quality is a million times better than pre 2.1.
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The D2 days really seem forgotten, but then again history repeats it's self. WD is my main btw, I might have to play one of my other 70's oh noes!!!
EDIT: Seriously every blizzard game has patches and some builds or classes always have a slight advantage over another, it promotes having multiple characters. It's funny how people seem to forget this every single patch. As for bugs, I can't comment much on this as these are free patches for a game with likely a small staff that doesn't bring in any revenue. I really can't complain compared to all these DLC and subscription based games in which I'd expect much more from. I'm also not a programmer and have no idea if this shit is complected, if its such a simple solution then go to blizzard and offer your personal time to fix such easy trivial matters that will not create any other problems.
TL;DR
Free content makes me happy for the 1500+ hours I've put into $100 of a game.
you all take the fun out of games. Balance this...Fix that....do it or I leave. Then leave already! Stop crying and go. Blizzard already got your money! Sure I'm no hardcore player and not running 40+ lvl Grifts, but I have fun playing no matter what class I play. People say classes are broken..why? Do their moves not work? Is there no gear? no no no...let me guess one class does more dmg than another class. I think this is a trend with Blizzard players..just like in WoW people think they can cry and bitch enough so they "balance" the classes. That ruined WoW...shit why not D3 while you at it....or a better ideal try thinking outside the box or once and make the classes work for you.
No the problem is. previous blizzard games were based off of quality over quantity and money.. That is the issue, now a days people are handed shit on a silver plate and they go, "Well at least it is on a silver plate." And they accept mediocre.... That is the problem blizzard is catering to people who just get on and casual play, what makes them the most "money" and that is fine to make money, but to spit in the face of every loyal customer from the beginning is bit much bull shit. I would say at least 80% of the people posting on this thread have no idea wtf they are talking about.
This is where you lose credibility. Claiming that Blizzard is catering to casual players while you, the poor loyal customer, is being neglected only shows some sort of issue you have with them that is so deeply seeded that nothing you say can be taken seriously. I mean honestly, to say Blizzard spits in your face and anyone who disagrees is an idiot... what do you expect people to say to that?
you all take the fun out of games. Balance this...Fix that....do it or I leave. Then leave already! Stop crying and go. Blizzard already got your money! Sure I'm no hardcore player and not running 40+ lvl Grifts, but I have fun playing no matter what class I play. People say classes are broken..why? Do their moves not work? Is there no gear? no no no...let me guess one class does more dmg than another class. I think this is a trend with Blizzard players..just like in WoW people think they can cry and bitch enough so they "balance" the classes. That ruined WoW...shit why not D3 while you at it....or a better ideal try thinking outside the box or once and make the classes work for you.
No the problem is. previous blizzard games were based off of quality over quantity and money.. That is the issue, now a days people are handed shit on a silver plate and they go, "Well at least it is on a silver plate." And they accept mediocre.... That is the problem blizzard is catering to people who just get on and casual play, what makes them the most "money" and that is fine to make money, but to spit in the face of every loyal customer from the beginning is bit much bull shit. I would say at least 80% of the people posting on this thread have no idea wtf they are talking about.
This is where you lose credibility. Claiming that Blizzard is catering to casual players while you, the poor loyal customer, is being neglected only shows some sort of issue you have with them that is so deeply seeded that nothing you say can be taken seriously. I mean honestly, to say Blizzard spits in your face and anyone who disagrees is an idiot... what do you expect people to say to that?
Why even explain it to him and Hyperion. They are the Elite few, the only ones who play this game, and the ones who fill Blizzards coffers.
It's exactly what happened in WoW/ vanilla. The good players get all the good loot ( in this case good standing in leaderboards ) then kids will cry on forums. Because if you are a casual and don't even know how your main stat works, there's a high chance you won't get near top 10 and you most likely end up on forums with posts like these.
Not really. I was in Top 20 World guilds(NA/Exodus/DnT) for nearly all of the time I played WoW (Vanilla/BC/WotLK). Most of the "good players" just played more time. The entire game revolves around "cycles" for damage/tanking, especially in Vanilla/BC, not really mind blowing. Healing was a bit tougher in Vanilla but then plugins made that mind numbingly simply as well. Put in the time, app to better guilds, you get loot. Hell, half of the top PvE'rs couldn't even get close to glad on BG6 and BG9 in BC. Which I did 3 times without a Druid. If your trying to compare WoW PvP skill to D3 PvE skill, thats an absurd comparison.
Diablo 3, is literally 80% time spent, 19% RnG for loot drops, 1% skill. I was one of the first 100 to Paragon 100. I have well over 100k elite kills on my Barb (about 1200 hours played). I have taken LONG breaks from D3 because it sucked, patches made it better. RoS came out, and I am now a full time student with full time job + wife + 2 kids. I cannot sink the time into D3 like I used to. That doesn't mean I don't "know the game" or "suck". There are obviously people who suck, but Hyperion basing his entire argument that people haven't "played enough to be good" or "Played enough hours" is an utter joke. I have plenty of friends with nearly the same time played as me, or more, who are fucking terrible and stand in Arcane Beams like it gives Paragon levels.
not sure if anyone posted, but don't compare class balance at top players from each class, but rather 1000th player from each class.
That's not meaningful, as it's sensitive to class popularity. Ideally, you should take the whole GRift distribution curve, normalized for population, and check the tail. With error bars in place, tails that fall off (statistically significantly) faster than other may indicate class balance issues. However, they may also indicate set bonus balance issues, which (obviously) correlates with class balance, but is a completely separate variable that Blizzard can adjust.
IMO, the biggest problem currently is simply the grossly disproportionate power from certain 6-piece sets. They're a hard RNG check, and seriously obfuscate class balance issues. Personally, I think Blizzard ate a fistful of paint chips with those damn things. Variation is what makes long-term grinding fun, not chasing an RNG cock-block... that's just exhausting.
Each class should have a few 6-piece sets with good, solid bonuses for three pieces and no higher. This makes getting those bonuses easier, as 3 out of 6 is much easier than 6 out of 6, it adds flexibility, as you can mix'n'match to keep the bonuses from any given set, combine the bonuses from two different sets and use ordinary legendaries if there's not pair of 3-piece bonuses that fit your playstyle. However, as with that stupid ring, Blizzard has painted themselves into a corner that they won't be able to get out of without causing legitimate anger, not just the petulant carry-on we're seeing here.
GOD I feel so sorry for your wife and kids having to put up with your stupidity 24/7, if they stick around for the long haul they are saints!
First off, where did I say people haven't "played enough to be good" or "played enough hours"? WTF is up with idiots always misquoting people? I guess they think that people might think they are smarter for doing that? IDK
If you genuinely want a meaningful discussion on this you should really stop with the insults. It's really what will differentiate yourself from the countless complainers of the game that you can't have a serious discussion with because they're either too immature or too stupid to have a debate that doesn't resort to petty insults in order to get your point across.
At this point this thread should just be closed if all it's going to come down to is name calling when someone presents an opposing opinion to your own.
GOD I feel so sorry for your wife and kids having to put up with your stupidity 24/7, if they stick around for the long haul they are saints!
First off, where did I say people haven't "played enough to be good" or "played enough hours"? WTF is up with idiots always misquoting people? I guess they think that people might think they are smarter for doing that? IDK
If you genuinely want a meaningful discussion on this you should really stop with the insults. It's really what will differentiate yourself from the countless complainers of the game that you can't have a serious discussion with because they're either too immature or too stupid to have a debate that doesn't resort to petty insults in order to get your point across.
At this point this thread should just be closed if all it's going to come down to is name calling when someone presents an opposing opinion to your own.
First off, if you had taken the time to read previous posts, you would see that I have had generally meaningful discussions with people on this forum/thread, and if you had also taken time to read previous posts you would have read that I do not have time for idiots and their idiotic comments, if someone acts like an idiot I will treat them in kind.
I honestly debated replying to this for a good 10 minutes but I felt it worthwhile for now I guess. You act like I haven't been here replying to this thread trying to bring some sense into this mess from the start. If you expect people to take you seriously, either on these forums or in the real world, you need to be willing to have conversations with people without resorting to name calling, and if you can't do that you shouldn't have conversations with them. Furthermore, nothing he said justified your crudeness. If you disagree then state why, but resorting to name calling when he posted nothing of the sort just shows a lack of maturity to have a real conversation that could actually be meaningful in progressing the game.
Long story short, you're letting your immaturity negate your own point of view.
GOD I feel so sorry for your wife and kids having to put up with your stupidity 24/7, if they stick around for the long haul they are saints!
First off, where did I say people haven't "played enough to be good" or "played enough hours"? WTF is up with idiots always misquoting people? I guess they think that people might think they are smarter for doing that? IDK
If you genuinely want a meaningful discussion on this you should really stop with the insults. It's really what will differentiate yourself from the countless complainers of the game that you can't have a serious discussion with because they're either too immature or too stupid to have a debate that doesn't resort to petty insults in order to get your point across.
At this point this thread should just be closed if all it's going to come down to is name calling when someone presents an opposing opinion to your own.
First off, if you had taken the time to read previous posts, you would see that I have had generally meaningful discussions with people on this forum/thread, and if you had also taken time to read previous posts you would have read that I do not have time for idiots and their idiotic comments, if someone acts like an idiot I will treat them in kind.
I honestly debated replying to this for a good 10 minutes but I felt it worthwhile for now I guess. You act like I haven't been here replying to this thread trying to bring some sense into this mess from the start. If you expect people to take you seriously, either on these forums or in the real world, you need to be willing to have conversations with people without resorting to name calling, and if you can't do that you shouldn't have conversations with them. Furthermore, nothing he said justified your crudeness. If you disagree then state why, but resorting to name calling when he posted nothing of the sort just shows a lack of maturity to have a real conversation that could actually be meaningful in progressing the game.
Long story short, you're letting your immaturity negate your own point of view.
Wow, your reply seems like you did not even ready what I posted You talk about me being immature yet you either do not read the posts or you do not understand what is being said before you reply to them. I have had conversations with people on this thread that are worth having conversations with, if you had ready through the posts, you would have seen this. If you dont want to take the time to follow what is being said in this thread, please save us the trouble of dealing with pointless posts and do not take the time to post.
P.S. If you had actually payed attention, you and read things before you post, you might have noticed that Dyzlol has said many things that "justify" my crudeness.
Yes I have been following the thread, though honestly I'm not sure why. Dyz actually started out posting something similar to my own, pointing out how your immaturity may be a likely cause as to why you were removed from the Battle.net forums because instead of providing reasons as to why you're upset with the state of the game you instead chose to be more emotionally vocal about it with ridiculous comments - much like every other complaining thread on the forums that tends to get deleted. Your friend then proceeded to attempt to negate anyone disagreeing with you by basically calling them idiots and telling them they have no idea what they're talking about instead of actually providing arguments supporting both of your points of view.
For future reference, someone else's immaturity or lack of respect doesn't and shouldn't validate your own. Personally, I think both you and your friend should be banned from this forum, and if saying that gets me banned it's worth it to me because people like yourself who complain with such closed-minded perspectives aren't worth having any sort of discussions with. Neither you nor your friend are willing to have a meaningful conversation with anyone who disagrees with you because we're all "too stupid" to understand your point of view.
Yes I have been following the thread, though honestly I'm not sure why. Dyz actually started out posting something similar to my own, pointing out how your immaturity may be a likely cause as to why you were removed from the Battle.net forums because instead of providing reasons as to why you're upset with the state of the game you instead chose to be more emotionally vocal about it with ridiculous comments - much like every other complaining thread on the forums that tends to get deleted. Your friend then proceeded to attempt to negate anyone disagreeing with you by basically calling them idiots and telling them they have no idea what they're talking about instead of actually providing arguments supporting both of your points of view.
For future reference, someone else's immaturity or lack of respect doesn't and shouldn't validate your own. Personally, I think both you and your friend should be banned from this forum, and if saying that gets me banned it's worth it to me because people like yourself who complain with such closed-minded perspectives aren't worth having any sort of discussions with. Neither you nor your friend are willing to have a meaningful conversation with anyone who disagrees with you because we're all "too stupid" to understand your point of view.
Humm once again I think you have some issue with understanding what people say. My entire post was PROVIDING REASONS as to why I am upset with the state of the game. Yes I was irriated, and that was the first thing I said in my post, but just because I am irritated and say that i am irritated does not make all of my points after that invalid. Now, if you want to actually be taken seriously, why dont you go back and read my original post and maybe you will see that I DO PROVIDE REASONS as to why I am upset with the state of the game.
As for someone else's immaturity or lack of respect not validating my own, yes I totally agree with you 100%, and I have lived my life as a nice guy for so long that I'm at the point where I really do not give a shit if people think I'm an asshole, because I can tell you, if you are always the "nice guy" you get steam rolled 9 times out of 10.
If this forum wants to ban me, then there are about 90% of the people on here that should be banned first, and I personal think they probably do not want to lose 90% of their members.
Users calling others "dip shits" and "idiots" will be promptly dealt with. Blatant flaming like that will not be tolerated in what, otherwise, is a very balanced argument.
So, fair warning, back off from the personal attacks and insults.
For future reference, someone else's immaturity or lack of respect doesn't and shouldn't validate your own. Personally, I think both you and your friend should be banned from this forum, and if saying that gets me banned it's worth it to me because people like yourself who complain with such closed-minded perspectives aren't worth having any sort of discussions with. Neither you nor your friend are willing to have a meaningful conversation with anyone who disagrees with you because we're all "too stupid" to understand your point of view.
I think he's complaining with an open minded perspective...that's what I see.
I see when I read his post, an endless barrage of things worth thinking about. from him, you and everyone else in this thread..every ones post is just that.
Its just really disappointing that when I describe the gameplay and the feel and flow of combat..its some of the best of the business..its reference grade for blizzard as far as im concerned..
so why cant I feel that way about the things that really matter?
how come when hunting for items I cant absolutely gush over the possibilities the way I gush over the amazing gameplay?
how come I cant say the character development is some of the best in the business...?
how come getting cool items is such a seldom occurrence? and I don't mean powerful items...i mean interesting ones...
why are they so scarce?
how come when deciding what type of barbarian I want to be I'm wasting my fucking time? I'm just going to be following my nose through the game looking for goddamn lut socks...
Well probably because years ago, people who said that were silenced. they were branded as non-constructive. argumentative, troll, not a team player etc. etc. removed from alpha testing...
I just cringe when I see a build on this website that has that stupid. fucking. RRoG. listed as either mandatory or recommended....Jesus fucking christ. does that not stick out like a sore thumb?
Oh you want the concept of pet class to really flourish and function and be a significant part of the game? buh bye for you. zombie dogs are going to be useless pieces of shit for at least several months. you are banned. come back when you are willing to be a team player.
Mad how some issues of the game that are fairly important are left to linger for fucking years? that's not constructive...
do I agree with everything the OP said. probably not. i just skimmed over it half a dozen times...I just spot read the posts on here...I checked up on the back and forth debates....
and through it all I forged a way of thinking about what progress they have made in this game and what things they chose to set on the back burner. and its pretty ruthless.
in the most diplomatic statement possible, they put time and effort in to the wrong aspects of this game. dead wrong.
no matter how you phrase it no matter how much you care, your idea of just that will be torn asunder by people who embrace those things you find appalling....
its really kind of quirky....
I dont even know how to describe it...
I just sympathize so strongly with people who are frustrated with the game because everyone I know in real life abandoned the game like no other. They all bought the expansion and they were fooled once again. they all quit in a few weeks. I even kept a spreadsheet of my friends and their co-workers. all but 2 of us bought the expansion. and they all tossed it away like a fucking bazooka joe comic.
I sympathize with people on here who have thousands of posts.
I sympathize with all the celebrity accounts whose opinions are lauded, like the monks INVIS and Druin. Jaetch who frequents this forum and is a mad man...the MVPS like Droth and TheTias. The key players here Shaggy and Meathead Mikhail and Zero(PS) who just got ranked to News-Manager. Probably at gunpoint lol.
as rare as a fucking Crit mempo was, what's more rare is a forum poster with no negative and critical undertones in some of their posts...
read a guys' shit long enough and eventually they will reveal some pretty glaring and IMHO stupid-as-all-fuck design decisions related EXCLUSIVELY to this game: Diablo 3.
I stand in awe of the 8000 odd pages of posts in general discussion on the official forums alone, most of which, as mentioned above contain these negative messages and harsh feedback.
As I find myself repeating, if the creators of Diablo 3 cannot use the writings of the internet to make a game that DESTROYS the competition, in an artistic and critical way, its a sad day for those creators.
They were on the fucking precipice. they had basically infinite resources, support and anticipation on their side.
if back in 2012 if you told me what the game is, what it actually IS today. now that all the foot dragging and silliness has been revealed, all the things mentioned by the above mentioned legion of fans with their quasi celebrity status and their hundreds of thousands of pages of feedback, all the bullshit surrounding the auction house and zero trading and flip flopping over item design and smart loot basically guaranteeing every fucking item contained the same stats when you find them during play...
then we might be speaking the same language...
as it stands when I mention these things and other mention them and they are chastised? its confusing to say the least...
the game has to build it self FOR the QUALITY of the game.
and their is a laundry list of a hundred things that should be absolutely fucking ERASED AEONS before we can dance in town ...for fucks sake....
Reading through this, it seems like Hyperion came here to vent a little (totally understandable, I probably would have in his place), but also did present some very valid points and issues that I happen to agree with. If many of you had taken the time to research what he was talking about instead of starting to flame at him right away, you might have actually seen what he was talking about.
Yes he comes across as "emotional" but he plainly stats at the beginning of his post that he is irritated at blizzard, if you are able to be totally emotionless and not express ANY of your anger in a post like that after getting banned from blizzard forms, then you are a saint. Just because he is somewhat angry does not make his points any less valid.
From what it seems, Hyperion was being very civil and carrying on a decent discussion until people started flaming at him and call him a QQer and at that point I don't blame him for becoming more hostile, it is very irritating when you are being civil and people come in and start making obviously hostile accusations intended to insult. Even with people insulting him, he was very courteous to those who made attempts to carry on a good discussion.
All in all, I think Hyperion has made some very valid points and seems like a decent player and a decent person even if he is a little hotheaded. I think this discussion and many like it would go much better if people took the time to think about what the OP is saying and consider peoples point of view before posting.
Reading through this, it seems like Hyperion came here to vent a little (totally understandable, I probably would have in his place), but also did present some very valid points and issues that I happen to agree with. If many of you had taken the time to research what he was talking about instead of starting to flame at him right away, you might have actually seen what he was talking about.
Yes he comes across as "emotional" but he plainly stats at the beginning of his post that he is irritated at blizzard, if you are able to be totally emotionless and not express ANY of your anger in a post like that after getting banned from blizzard forms, then you are a saint. Just because he is somewhat angry does not make his points any less valid.
From what it seems, Hyperion was being very civil and carrying on a decent discussion until people started flaming at him and call him a QQer and at that point I don't blame him for becoming more hostile, it is very irritating when you are being civil and people come in and start making obviously hostile accusations intended to insult. Even with people insulting him, he was very courteous to those who made attempts to carry on a good discussion.
All in all, I think Hyperion has made some very valid points and seems like a decent player and a decent person even if he is a little hotheaded. I think this discussion and many like it would go much better if people took the time to think about what the OP is saying and consider peoples point of view before posting.
lol thanks bud
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On the hardcore/softcore discussion, I'd like to say that it all comes down to a good "death penalty" for softcore. I'd say we're getting closer to that than ever. Harsh death penalties on softcore impose a choice of risk dying and having to spend resources (time walking, gold, maybe gems [!]) or having more Toughness.
Also, for the record, my own personal opinion is that D3's current end-game meta-game has some issues. Both in terms of cross-class balance, and in terms of same-class build balance (for most classes).
I'm playing a hardcore Wiz and Demon Hunter, and I know that getting insanely mediocre Firebird or Marauder sets (which is supposedly "easy" these days) will easily kick my DPS to T3-4 material (and will demand that I use Fire on my "master of elements" char), and will absolutely outperform any near perfect rolls Legendary that I had up to that moment. Not by a mere 10-20%, but sometimes by 200-300%. That on top of easier resource management and a lot more safety in terms of combat movement and positioning. It's just too much of a difference.
To me, that is an extremely disengaging, disencouraging end-game goal.
Right now, I feel a lot more compelled to play the mid-game, where finding a Wand of Woh or a Rimeheart can make me the happiest guy on Earth and definitely make me change my build (and make me hoard materials for when I do find those), than excited to reach the end-game where I know I'm gonna look the same as every other Wizard out there.
Seriously, I dislike a lot of things going on in the game right now, but I have major doubts that posts like this one will fix any of them.
Man, idiots are so irritating
@Zero(pS) Thanks for your response I do see what the other side is saying, and I can empathize with them. While I do not think that a good middle ground can be found, simply because when it comes to opinions and not facts you can throw ideas around all day and never know what is really true, I do not think that there is necessarily a need to agree. I am not saying argue ad eternum, but simply understanding where the other side is coming from and not being a total ass is as good as you can hope for on forums like these.
All in all though I agree with your first post, however on the topic of HC/SC I think that a death penalty is a horrible idea, and in fact I think they need to change a little how deaths work in Grifts. Let me tell you why I think this though First off, not everyone has amazing internet, I for one have very very unstable internet, it is simply the only option I have for where I live; so if I am getting killed when my internet goes all funny (it happens pretty often) I am getting a penalty for something that I have absolutely no control over. Second, most of the time that I get killed it is due to bugs in the game or bad mechanics, I get killed more often by things that do not even hit me and are not even near me then I do get legitimately killed; for example just the other day in a Grift 43 there was some bugged invisible monster that kept oneshoting most of my team, we would be running along nothing in the area and someone would just drop dead. Granted if you play in HC you are probably not going to be playing in a difficulty that will let you get oneshoted so you might not have noticed things like this. Now if I die because I do something stupid that is a total different story, but penalizing players for stuff out of their control does not seem like a good idea to me.
Oh and just out of morbid curiosity, where did i say that I could fix the problem in just a few hours????? NOWHERE!!!
STFU GTFO
Oh, and just FYI, just because someone can do something better then other does not make them good at it For example if you have a foot race with a bunch of 3 year olds, just because one can stumble along better then the others does not make it a good runner Good logic bro!
Ever heard the quote "in the land of the blind the one eyed man is King"?
The D2 days really seem forgotten, but then again history repeats it's self. WD is my main btw, I might have to play one of my other 70's oh noes!!!
EDIT: Seriously every blizzard game has patches and some builds or classes always have a slight advantage over another, it promotes having multiple characters. It's funny how people seem to forget this every single patch. As for bugs, I can't comment much on this as these are free patches for a game with likely a small staff that doesn't bring in any revenue. I really can't complain compared to all these DLC and subscription based games in which I'd expect much more from. I'm also not a programmer and have no idea if this shit is complected, if its such a simple solution then go to blizzard and offer your personal time to fix such easy trivial matters that will not create any other problems.
TL;DR
Free content makes me happy for the 1500+ hours I've put into $100 of a game.
Diablo 3, is literally 80% time spent, 19% RnG for loot drops, 1% skill. I was one of the first 100 to Paragon 100. I have well over 100k elite kills on my Barb (about 1200 hours played). I have taken LONG breaks from D3 because it sucked, patches made it better. RoS came out, and I am now a full time student with full time job + wife + 2 kids. I cannot sink the time into D3 like I used to. That doesn't mean I don't "know the game" or "suck". There are obviously people who suck, but Hyperion basing his entire argument that people haven't "played enough to be good" or "Played enough hours" is an utter joke. I have plenty of friends with nearly the same time played as me, or more, who are fucking terrible and stand in Arcane Beams like it gives Paragon levels.
IMO, the biggest problem currently is simply the grossly disproportionate power from certain 6-piece sets. They're a hard RNG check, and seriously obfuscate class balance issues. Personally, I think Blizzard ate a fistful of paint chips with those damn things. Variation is what makes long-term grinding fun, not chasing an RNG cock-block... that's just exhausting.
Each class should have a few 6-piece sets with good, solid bonuses for three pieces and no higher. This makes getting those bonuses easier, as 3 out of 6 is much easier than 6 out of 6, it adds flexibility, as you can mix'n'match to keep the bonuses from any given set, combine the bonuses from two different sets and use ordinary legendaries if there's not pair of 3-piece bonuses that fit your playstyle. However, as with that stupid ring, Blizzard has painted themselves into a corner that they won't be able to get out of without causing legitimate anger, not just the petulant carry-on we're seeing here.
At this point this thread should just be closed if all it's going to come down to is name calling when someone presents an opposing opinion to your own.
Long story short, you're letting your immaturity negate your own point of view.
P.S. If you had actually payed attention, you and read things before you post, you might have noticed that Dyzlol has said many things that "justify" my crudeness.
For future reference, someone else's immaturity or lack of respect doesn't and shouldn't validate your own. Personally, I think both you and your friend should be banned from this forum, and if saying that gets me banned it's worth it to me because people like yourself who complain with such closed-minded perspectives aren't worth having any sort of discussions with. Neither you nor your friend are willing to have a meaningful conversation with anyone who disagrees with you because we're all "too stupid" to understand your point of view.
As for someone else's immaturity or lack of respect not validating my own, yes I totally agree with you 100%, and I have lived my life as a nice guy for so long that I'm at the point where I really do not give a shit if people think I'm an asshole, because I can tell you, if you are always the "nice guy" you get steam rolled 9 times out of 10.
If this forum wants to ban me, then there are about 90% of the people on here that should be banned first, and I personal think they probably do not want to lose 90% of their members.
So, fair warning, back off from the personal attacks and insults.
I think he's complaining with an open minded perspective...that's what I see.
I see when I read his post, an endless barrage of things worth thinking about. from him, you and everyone else in this thread..every ones post is just that.
Its just really disappointing that when I describe the gameplay and the feel and flow of combat..its some of the best of the business..its reference grade for blizzard as far as im concerned..
so why cant I feel that way about the things that really matter?
how come when hunting for items I cant absolutely gush over the possibilities the way I gush over the amazing gameplay?
how come I cant say the character development is some of the best in the business...?
how come getting cool items is such a seldom occurrence? and I don't mean powerful items...i mean interesting ones...
why are they so scarce?
how come when deciding what type of barbarian I want to be I'm wasting my fucking time? I'm just going to be following my nose through the game looking for goddamn lut socks...
Well probably because years ago, people who said that were silenced. they were branded as non-constructive. argumentative, troll, not a team player etc. etc. removed from alpha testing...
I just cringe when I see a build on this website that has that stupid. fucking. RRoG. listed as either mandatory or recommended....Jesus fucking christ. does that not stick out like a sore thumb?
Oh you want the concept of pet class to really flourish and function and be a significant part of the game? buh bye for you. zombie dogs are going to be useless pieces of shit for at least several months. you are banned. come back when you are willing to be a team player.
Mad how some issues of the game that are fairly important are left to linger for fucking years? that's not constructive...
do I agree with everything the OP said. probably not. i just skimmed over it half a dozen times...I just spot read the posts on here...I checked up on the back and forth debates....
and through it all I forged a way of thinking about what progress they have made in this game and what things they chose to set on the back burner. and its pretty ruthless.
in the most diplomatic statement possible, they put time and effort in to the wrong aspects of this game. dead wrong.
no matter how you phrase it no matter how much you care, your idea of just that will be torn asunder by people who embrace those things you find appalling....
its really kind of quirky....
I dont even know how to describe it...
I just sympathize so strongly with people who are frustrated with the game because everyone I know in real life abandoned the game like no other. They all bought the expansion and they were fooled once again. they all quit in a few weeks. I even kept a spreadsheet of my friends and their co-workers. all but 2 of us bought the expansion. and they all tossed it away like a fucking bazooka joe comic.
I sympathize with people on here who have thousands of posts.
I sympathize with all the celebrity accounts whose opinions are lauded, like the monks INVIS and Druin. Jaetch who frequents this forum and is a mad man...the MVPS like Droth and TheTias. The key players here Shaggy and Meathead Mikhail and Zero(PS) who just got ranked to News-Manager. Probably at gunpoint lol.
as rare as a fucking Crit mempo was, what's more rare is a forum poster with no negative and critical undertones in some of their posts...
read a guys' shit long enough and eventually they will reveal some pretty glaring and IMHO stupid-as-all-fuck design decisions related EXCLUSIVELY to this game: Diablo 3.
I stand in awe of the 8000 odd pages of posts in general discussion on the official forums alone, most of which, as mentioned above contain these negative messages and harsh feedback.
As I find myself repeating, if the creators of Diablo 3 cannot use the writings of the internet to make a game that DESTROYS the competition, in an artistic and critical way, its a sad day for those creators.
They were on the fucking precipice. they had basically infinite resources, support and anticipation on their side.
if back in 2012 if you told me what the game is, what it actually IS today. now that all the foot dragging and silliness has been revealed, all the things mentioned by the above mentioned legion of fans with their quasi celebrity status and their hundreds of thousands of pages of feedback, all the bullshit surrounding the auction house and zero trading and flip flopping over item design and smart loot basically guaranteeing every fucking item contained the same stats when you find them during play...
then we might be speaking the same language...
as it stands when I mention these things and other mention them and they are chastised? its confusing to say the least...
the game has to build it self FOR the QUALITY of the game.
and their is a laundry list of a hundred things that should be absolutely fucking ERASED AEONS before we can dance in town ...for fucks sake....
Yes he comes across as "emotional" but he plainly stats at the beginning of his post that he is irritated at blizzard, if you are able to be totally emotionless and not express ANY of your anger in a post like that after getting banned from blizzard forms, then you are a saint. Just because he is somewhat angry does not make his points any less valid.
From what it seems, Hyperion was being very civil and carrying on a decent discussion until people started flaming at him and call him a QQer and at that point I don't blame him for becoming more hostile, it is very irritating when you are being civil and people come in and start making obviously hostile accusations intended to insult. Even with people insulting him, he was very courteous to those who made attempts to carry on a good discussion.
All in all, I think Hyperion has made some very valid points and seems like a decent player and a decent person even if he is a little hotheaded. I think this discussion and many like it would go much better if people took the time to think about what the OP is saying and consider peoples point of view before posting.