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    posted a message on Doing all bountys properly
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    Nope. Leaving one bounty open in each act is the way to go. I actually do this whenever I do bounties in a group that is not full anyways - you might always have friends who come online when you're almost done, so you can do the last bounty in each act and turn it in. I also leave one bounty in each act because a "misclick" on an already finished act might just destroy all the bonus caches for you ;) Like, some comes in, wants to teleport to you, accidentally clicks on Tyrael... oops. Especially because Tyrael is standing approximately 0.2 centimeters next to the town portal in act 3/4...

    We do the same, just leave 1 bounty for Act3/Act4. They should just put in a switch or something that makes Tyreal give all the caches/bonus caches at once if all 5 acts are done and not turned in. Wishful thinking tho.
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    posted a message on Mod Application Thread

    Should prolly close this, if its closed to new apps =P

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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
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    In vanilla before RoS, barbs were like 80% of the playerbase because for 100k gold you could rape Torment1-3.
    ???
    With D3v2 and torment implementation they reworked WoTB:ToC so no perma WoTB was possible on torment difficulties.

    So the guys who created this topic says that they are most exprienced and claim D3 to be 5 years old.. and now people who claim to perma WoTB on Torment are backing them up?

    Those experienced players are so experienced.
    Um... you realize... Perma WoTB worked right up till 2.0.... By Torment 1-3, I meant MP. *shrug* Technically speaking, Perma-Beserker did work on Torment MP1+ until 2.0 came out.
    Ain't that what I've said? I said that perma wotb stopped working at D3v2 when torment was implemented... Just look up and read it. What the hell?

    Anyway, bring more experienced players to the table ~~ please
    Sorry, I meant Inferno. I forgot they changed the name of it with RoS
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
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    In vanilla before RoS, barbs were like 80% of the playerbase because for 100k gold you could rape Torment1-3.
    ???
    With D3v2 and torment implementation they reworked WoTB:ToC so no perma WoTB was possible on torment difficulties.

    So the guys who created this topic says that they are most exprienced and claim D3 to be 5 years old.. and now people who claim to perma WoTB on Torment are backing them up?

    Those experienced players are so experienced.
    Um... you realize... Perma WoTB worked right up till 2.0.... By Torment 1-3, I meant MP. *shrug* Technically speaking, Perma-Beserker did work on Torment MP1+ until 2.0 came out.
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
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    not sure if anyone posted, but don't compare class balance at top players from each class, but rather 1000th player from each class.
    That's not meaningful, as it's sensitive to class popularity. Ideally, you should take the whole GRift distribution curve, normalized for population, and check the tail. With error bars in place, tails that fall off (statistically significantly) faster than other may indicate class balance issues. However, they may also indicate set bonus balance issues, which (obviously) correlates with class balance, but is a completely separate variable that Blizzard can adjust.

    IMO, the biggest problem currently is simply the grossly disproportionate power from certain 6-piece sets. They're a hard RNG check, and seriously obfuscate class balance issues. Personally, I think Blizzard ate a fistful of paint chips with those damn things. Variation is what makes long-term grinding fun, not chasing an RNG cock-block... that's just exhausting.

    Each class should have a few 6-piece sets with good, solid bonuses for three pieces and no higher. This makes getting those bonuses easier, as 3 out of 6 is much easier than 6 out of 6, it adds flexibility, as you can mix'n'match to keep the bonuses from any given set, combine the bonuses from two different sets and use ordinary legendaries if there's not pair of 3-piece bonuses that fit your playstyle. However, as with that stupid ring, Blizzard has painted themselves into a corner that they won't be able to get out of without causing legitimate anger, not just the petulant carry-on we're seeing here.
    /Math High-Five!

    We don't really have a way to see the actual statistics. Im sure Dh has way more players right now. In vanilla before RoS, barbs were like 80% of the playerbase because for 100k gold you could rape Torment1-3. Without the actual statistical analysis or a way to grab the info, its all opinion. The top 10 of each class proves nothing in reality when compared to those below the top 10 in terms of analytical data.

    The RNG Cockblock is killing me slowly at this point. With my limited play time (maybe 1-2 hours a night on weekdays) I was in full M6 4 days after season started. After thousands of shards, I still dont have TnT or single Unity or SoJ, or even seen an immunity amulet. I was using Cluckeye until 2 days ago when a friendly DH gave me an underwhelming Etrayu that dropped. It's starting to put me off to the game. I have been playing a monk a bit, seems fun for a wee bit.

    DAMMIT! Just realized I am sitting in class waiting on it to start... its 9:07. Been here since 830... class isnt until 10... lol
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
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    Diablo 3, is literally 80% time spent, 19% RnG for loot drops, 1% skill.
    In the end it's a 2-3 buttons game and I completely agree with you. Thank god it's not as complex as a MMO... I played in a world top 10 guild too(Conspiracy/Lotto) and was ranked dozens of times #1 wowprogress but I still can't believe that I could stay over 12-14 hours a day in front of a computer to make that happen.

    The RNG is more than time spent IMO , I've seen people with 1/4 of my time played that have calamity/furnace/perfect rolled TF.
    Agree, it is more like 90% RnG, 19% time spent and 1% skill.

    IMO it sould be more like 50% skill, 25% RnG, 25% time spent.
    Oh, god. Now I agree with you. Why did you have to go and do that? Truce?

    It would be extremely difficult to make any click to move game rely on skill. At least the type of game that Diablo is. The fact is, and I think we can all agree its pretty much a fact, that this game has improved 1000000% over what it was. The classes are more balanced then ever (a couple classes need a nudge, especially for group grifting), and its moving in the right direction.

    One thing I can tell you from playing at the top levels of WoW, D2, D3(vanilla), CSS, TF(C/2), and more. Is that the people at the top are not the "money providers" for the company. Sure they keep some of the people playing, but the casuals are the ones buying Hats in TF2. The casuals are the ones who buy D3, the pets in WoW. The ones who buy 8 copies of D2 over the years to play it for 30 minutes of nostalgia and then lose the discs again. When you play at the top, you HAVE to understand that it can be frustrating, and that things will most likely improve, but not until everyone else feels the "pain". It was a way of life in WoW PVE and PVP. Especially playing a rogue for 500 hours in Vanilla - WotLK. (Eff you Arena Season 5+ and your seasonal uber classes. LOOKING AT YOU HUNTERS AND DK's!)

    Basically, what I am saying is. Take a break maybe? Wait for everyone else to catch up. I really do feel your pain. My guild cleared M'uru world 2nd. The following week they nerfed it. Then they nerfed it again. The point in bringing this up, is that shows that the top 1% of the game, are not the money makers. Otherwise they would have left M'uru as hard as he was and not let the casuals have a shot at him and seeing the content. I believe you already know this tho, and judging by how you have changed your tone to people throughout the thread, you probably realized you were coming off as non-productive and non-conducive to conversation.
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
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    It's exactly what happened in WoW/ vanilla. The good players get all the good loot ( in this case good standing in leaderboards ) then kids will cry on forums. Because if you are a casual and don't even know how your main stat works, there's a high chance you won't get near top 10 and you most likely end up on forums with posts like these.

    Not really. I was in Top 20 World guilds(NA/Exodus/DnT) for nearly all of the time I played WoW (Vanilla/BC/WotLK). Most of the "good players" just played more time. The entire game revolves around "cycles" for damage/tanking, especially in Vanilla/BC, not really mind blowing. Healing was a bit tougher in Vanilla but then plugins made that mind numbingly simply as well. Put in the time, app to better guilds, you get loot. Hell, half of the top PvE'rs couldn't even get close to glad on BG6 and BG9 in BC. Which I did 3 times without a Druid. If your trying to compare WoW PvP skill to D3 PvE skill, thats an absurd comparison.

    Diablo 3, is literally 80% time spent, 19% RnG for loot drops, 1% skill. I was one of the first 100 to Paragon 100. I have well over 100k elite kills on my Barb (about 1200 hours played). I have taken LONG breaks from D3 because it sucked, patches made it better. RoS came out, and I am now a full time student with full time job + wife + 2 kids. I cannot sink the time into D3 like I used to. That doesn't mean I don't "know the game" or "suck". There are obviously people who suck, but Hyperion basing his entire argument that people haven't "played enough to be good" or "Played enough hours" is an utter joke. I have plenty of friends with nearly the same time played as me, or more, who are fucking terrible and stand in Arcane Beams like it gives Paragon levels.
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
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    you all take the fun out of games. Balance this...Fix that....do it or I leave. Then leave already! Stop crying and go. Blizzard already got your money! Sure I'm no hardcore player and not running 40+ lvl Grifts, but I have fun playing no matter what class I play. People say classes are broken..why? Do their moves not work? Is there no gear? no no no...let me guess one class does more dmg than another class. I think this is a trend with Blizzard players..just like in WoW people think they can cry and bitch enough so they "balance" the classes. That ruined WoW...shit why not D3 while you at it....or a better ideal try thinking outside the box or once and make the classes work for you.
    No the problem is. previous blizzard games were based off of quality over quantity and money.. That is the issue, now a days people are handed shit on a silver plate and they go, "Well at least it is on a silver plate." And they accept mediocre.... That is the problem blizzard is catering to people who just get on and casual play, what makes them the most "money" and that is fine to make money, but to spit in the face of every loyal customer from the beginning is bit much bull shit. I would say at least 80% of the people posting on this thread have no idea wtf they are talking about.
    This is where you lose credibility. Claiming that Blizzard is catering to casual players while you, the poor loyal customer, is being neglected only shows some sort of issue you have with them that is so deeply seeded that nothing you say can be taken seriously. I mean honestly, to say Blizzard spits in your face and anyone who disagrees is an idiot... what do you expect people to say to that?
    Why even explain it to him and Hyperion. They are the Elite few, the only ones who play this game, and the ones who fill Blizzards coffers.
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
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    No actually he is a good guy, just tired of people and the stupid shit they say, and trash talking for no good reason.
    Gotta love people who act like assholes, then get their friends to tell them they aren't assholes. News Flash: If you need someone to say your a "good guy" and your "tired of people's shit", your probably an asshole.
    Do you know Hyperion personally? If not then shut up, you can not make a judgement based off of a post on a person. Reality is anyone can be kind or a asshole, you derp.
    I guess irony is wasted on you, eh?
    I guess decency is wasted on you, eh?
    More irony. Fantastic.
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
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    At least intelligent people will see how stupid your comment is :)
    I'm out of here, cba to feed the troll, either something is wrong with this guy, or he's one of the top tier assholes on the internet.
    No actually he is a good guy, just tired of people and the stupid shit they say, and trash talking for no good reason.
    Gotta love people who act like assholes, then get their friends to tell them they aren't assholes. News Flash: If you need someone to say your a "good guy" and your "tired of people's shit", your probably an asshole.
    Do you know Hyperion personally? If not then shut up, you can not make a judgement based off of a post on a person. Reality is anyone can be kind or a asshole, you derp.
    I guess irony is wasted on you, eh?
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
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    At least intelligent people will see how stupid your comment is :)
    I'm out of here, cba to feed the troll, either something is wrong with this guy, or he's one of the top tier assholes on the internet.
    No actually he is a good guy, just tired of people and the stupid shit they say, and trash talking for no good reason.
    Gotta love people who act like assholes, then get their friends to tell them they aren't assholes. News Flash: If you need someone to say your a "good guy" and your "tired of people's shit", your probably an asshole.
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
    Its amazing how anyone who points out your "the sky is falling" and over the top dramatization of the current state of the game is an "idiot" and "childish". Essentially what this all boils down to, is that you think because you have seen a piece of code on the internet, your a programmer. You also believe because you have "more hours played" your opinion doesn't smell like crap as much as everyone elses.

    If you were a "programmer", you would know how much of a PIA it is to debug thousands of lines of code (ALOT more for D3 actually), and how fixing one bug can break or cripple other things depending upon where and what that line of code affects. Its not always as simple as changing a variable or statement.

    I am guessing that your post on D3 forums got deleted because you were doing the same thing your doing here. Just inciting a flame war because you believe you are better than everyone else, and therefore believe your opinion is fact.

    Either that or your trolling.
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    posted a message on New expansion class?
    They need to just bring the Necromancer back. I still go back and play my Fishymancer once in awhile.
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    posted a message on So my Blackthorn's Ammy is going to ruin me...
    =P you got me. I have rerolled it about 25 times tho, can't keep the Gems in stock to reroll it to a socket =(

    Sitting in the hospital with the wife, was hoping someone would post some uber items for me to look at
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    posted a message on Blizzard will lose their most experienced players and support base.
    Quote from Hyperion1407
    Also something to think about, in D2 you could pick your favorite class and play nothing but that class and reach endgame content. And now in D3 you have to change your main class every single patch if you want to play endgame content, when RoS came out WD was dominating everything, so everyone rolled a WD, now with 2.1 DH is destroying GRifts, so everyone goes and rolls a DH in order to get to the endgame content.

    Blizzard has been promising class balance since D3V came out, and we are still so extremely out of balance that hardly anyone is playing Crusader/Wizard/Barbarian, and the only reason people are playing Monk/WD is because they make good support classes.
    Eh, I was with you till the "DH's are destroying everything". They stated that they want everyone to be within 2 grifts of each other. Currently on SC (since that has the longevity of the most people with loot), Demon Hunters and Barbs are at 43. Wizards are 42. Crusaders and Witch Doctors at 41. Monks at 40. So by Blizzards quote for balance, only monks need a little boost to be in line. This also shows that DH's aren't "Destroying Grifts" when compared to everyone else.

    I cant get in game at the moment, and the Leaderboards on D3.com are not showing the "teammates". However, earlier today alot of the top 45+ Grift teams were running Monk, WD, then a mix of DH/Wiz. If Dh were that overpowered teams would all be 1 monk and 3 DH's. Which is not the case simply by inspecting the Leaderboards.

    With that said, Barbs and Crusaders need a pretty big toughness boost or something so they don't have to turn into essentially ranged classes. Which is primarily why you dont see them in alot of the 40+ grift makeups.
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