I just hit paragon level 93 on the barb and yet my total gear worth combined is probably only around 50m.... I haven't found 1 fucking thing in this game that is good lol
rly blizz?
edit- over 500+ hrs on the barb the most expensive thing I found I sold was a echo fury which was still shit sold around for 22m... I played diablo 2 for so many years and this game is just horseshit compared to it.... Why I still play this game I have no idea maybe it's because I refuse to buy gold and love the legit style of gearing maybe I duno but fix this shit
Youre not alone, game is broken, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
My best char is a lvl 70 WD and he can't farm higher than mp5.
Played more then 450hours across 3 chars (about 350 just with the WD) and all my stuff I use with my WD comes from the AH except my ammy and glove. His dps is 115k unbuffed or something.
I know, pretty sad.
Youre not alone, game is broken, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.
My best char is a lvl 70 WD and he can't farm higher than mp5.
Played more then 450hours across 3 chars (about 350 just with the WD) and all my stuff I use with my WD comes from the AH except my ammy and glove. His dps is 115k unbuffed or something.
I know, pretty sad.
I guess the only thing we have is our pride in the end. As long as I avoid buying gold I'm in the right and that's where I want to belong anyways. IMO the auction house ruined this game , <--- that's all I have to say fuck you blizzard
I know how you feel mate. It's not that I think lesser of those who buy gold, it's just that I don't see where the sense of achievement is if you just buy your way into success.
I've clocked around +350 hours into my Barb, he's 52 Paragon level. Throughout his paragon leveling he's been through many many many different builds (two handed, dual wield, sword and broad, throwing) and I've probably only found a few items that actually made me proud of the time I've invested into the game. Although that was back in the 1 - 10 paragon bracket
I guess the only thing we have is our pride in the end. As long as I avoid buying gold I'm in the right and that's where I want to belong anyways.
I guess you're right. Most people avoid the whole issue by playing HC (hell, even some blues have come out and said it too!) but that isn't for everyone.
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
I feel like unless you found 6 sellable echoing furies straight and sold them on ah, you're not really saying anything relevant to this post. Op is bitching about lack of worthy in game drops, which we all know is a problem, not ah flipping.
I have a hard time believing that you found 7 EF's worth 10m+. If not AH flipping, maybe buying unid's? OP is ranting about the fact hat you can play forever and not find anything valuable. Which is absolutely true, just look at pichapie's example.
(However, @OP, I think if a game keeps you engaged enough for 500+ hours you gotta admit it lets you look kinda stupid if you say the game needs to be fixed - it's rather about an improvement to keep you engaged for another 500h.)
I have a hard time believing that you found 7 EF's worth 10m+. If not AH flipping, maybe buying unid's? OP is ranting about the fact hat you can play forever and not find anything valuable. Which is absolutely true, just look at pichapie's example.
(However, @OP, I think if a game keeps you engaged enough for 500+ hours you gotta admit it lets you look kinda stupid if you say the game needs to be fixed - it's rather about an improvement to keep you engaged for another 500h.)
You're correct. The only reason I'm even still playing is because I'm so close to 100 but when I get there I do see myself quitting until they fix the loot drops.
I do love this game a lot, maybe it's where I played and enjoyed blizzard games since in the 90s?
You're correct. The only reason I'm even still playing is because I'm so close to 100 but when I get there I do see myself quitting until they fix the loot drops.
I do love this game a lot, maybe it's where I played and enjoyed blizzard games since in the 90s?
When you reach p100 you'll stop for a while, but all the p100s in my friends list came back after some time and are playing just as much as before.
The thing is, D3 may not be perfect, but it's by far the best game of its kind out there right now. Unless you're fine with playing something else from a different genre, you'll come back every now and then. And I have to say it was the same with D1 and D2; it was an "on - off" game. I played for some days or weeks like crazy, then stopped for a while, but I always came back. And I've observed the same for D3. And even though everyone's bitching about itemization, I personally didn't feel different about loot in D2. It's not like you found an awesome item every run. I remember countless Dutchess runs without a single high rune - ever. I remember many many many Baal runs and the most "valuable" stuff that I got after a couple of days was enough gold to gamble at Gheed's.
In my opinion, if you spend a lot of time on something (and 500+ hours on a PC game is a lot of time, frankly) you'll always find something that bothers you. But the pro's definitely outweighed the con's if you put that many hours into it, and that's what you should keep in mind.
Making good items drop more frequently will not solve anything... it will only make those items bad in relation to the other items that will still be hard to find. This is the nature of the game. Every time you kill a monster it's like playing the slot machine. It was the same with D2 and frankly i don't see how they can fix this issue.
You just need some luck and skill. In d2 you had to find noobs to rip off in the trade window... In D3 you need to flip the AH. I personally don't have time for that so i just spend real money at times where i stay home during the weekend or something. Last time i used real money on D3 was like 4 months ago but still. If it's your hobby, and you know how to manage your money, then it's worth it.
Regarding the itemization patch... It will solve the OP's problem in some aspects since there will be more viable items that drop unlike the current situation where 90% of items dropped are complete trash... If not 99%. But still that wont solve the problem because it is, as i said earlier, not really a problem. It's the nature of this game. Some people will be less lucky than others. I really don't see how you can solve that without dumbing down the game even more and completely ruining everything by flattening the economy.
I feel like unless you found 6 sellable echoing furies straight and sold them on ah, you're not really saying anything relevant to this post. Op is bitching about lack of worthy in game drops, which we all know is a problem, not ah flipping.
"Worthy" is a notion that is only important because of a dynamic game economy. People can't have worthy in game drops all the time when there's like 250k other players farming, lots of them in a much more efficient manner.
When are people going to understand that it just doesn't work like that.
Blizzard already improved the drops tenfold (with the changes to ilvl 63 drops, affixes and legendaries) and people still complain about "useless drops".
They're not useless in that they can't be used, they're useless because they don't sell for hundreds of millions of gold. And people want a lottery ticket every "x" hours played, and that's not going to happen. Because if everyone is getting lottery tickets, then nobody is.
There's no "fixing" this. The only thing that could remotely improve that feeling is a self-found mode (or big limitations to AH usage in the current mode). But then the same kids who complain about this will rage that they found "x" amazing DH item and can't sell it.
Have people not heard that Blizz is releasing an itemization overhaul patch?
What's the damn point of continuing to point out that the good drops are too few and far between? People playing SC are bitching because they aren't rolling in gold. Try playing HC self found and then tell me how painful the rarity of great drops strikes you.
This issue is being fixed. Either stop bitching about it and sally forth, or take a break until 1.09.
That's the main problem and a cause of a lot of the argument. It all comes down to whether you are talking about finding items for yourself or if you're talking about finding items that have worth in respect to the server. Basically, self-found vs. auction house players. So, by comparison this argument about whether shifting the RNG of legendaries to stricter values means nothing to you if you are a AH player, and is only meaningful if you are a self found player. If two people holding these different types of ideals try to argue it will not end in resolve.
If you are using the auction house for all your gear, even if you barely spend anything you've already made 99.9% of the gear you could find thereafter worthless, because the 99.9% portion has already been dropped and found roughly 9990 more times than the valuable .01% that everybody wants. If you shift the RNG to stricter values, this does not change. 99.9% of the gear still remains worthless because everybody wants that .01% and it still drops at the same rate. This is only from an economy standpoint.
If you play self-found, this doesn't apply to you. For instance if mempos were made to roll 3-6 crit every time, instead of the random property, than finding a mempo for utility will always be amazingly better. But, for the economy, 3% crit mempos will all become worthless and only 6% will have value and that value will probably drop dramatically from what it is now. So, as an AH player your current mempos will lose value, both monetary value and value in rarity and bragging rights.
People can't have worthy in game drops all the time when there's like 250k other players farming, lots of them in a much more efficient manner.
Hmmmm....why exactly is that?
Bear in mind that what I consider "worthy" is something that is better than what I have, NOT something that sells for X amount of gold.
Also, please don't let your answer be "because it'll ruin the economy".
Because it will ruin the economy.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. You know that's the answer.
The more "better" stuff you can find on your own, and the shorter the amount of time you have to play to find it, the higher the quality baseline of items on the AH. Do I want D3 to have an economy? I'm not sure about that. I never wanted D3 to have MMO features, never really cared much about that in D2 or Torchlight. But it has, so I have to deal with it.
Weren't you around when they tweaked ilvl affixes and drops, and reworked legendaries, and almost every single one that dropped was "amazing" compared to old rares? It's the same thing.
Also it's clear by the OP's post (and many others) that they're just not playing at 110% as some guys are. I never found anything worth more than 90~ mil, and my Wizard is (was when I last touched her) roughly worth 110 mil and can do up to MP9 (CMWW) or MP7 (Archon). And I'm not even remotely good compared to those guys.
Some people put big money on the RMAH as soon as it was released to farm more, and then they took that money and became stronger. There were people farming MP10 with near max magic find as soon as it was released (and looking to make money out of it). You can't play "casually" (as in not knowing how to spend your gold, and not knowing how to make gold) and compete with those.
Can you name 1 single game that gives you 500+ hours of play for the <50$ you paid for it ? (if you even did pay for it as a lot got their D3 for free with the WoW pass).
Please stop the BS. Buy a Monopoly board, play 500+ hours and tell me you had half the fun you had in Diablo after the 100th hour on your Monopoly.
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how do you think i feel? 2.6k hours and counting and i have never ever found a 500m worth of drop. only 300m ones. forget 1b and stuff. friends kept getting 1b+ items and they don't even play much, this is what irks me the most.
made way more flipping than farming and yet i chose to continue farming. may as well be a glutton for punishment
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rly blizz?
edit- over 500+ hrs on the barb the most expensive thing I found I sold was a echo fury which was still shit sold around for 22m... I played diablo 2 for so many years and this game is just horseshit compared to it.... Why I still play this game I have no idea maybe it's because I refuse to buy gold and love the legit style of gearing maybe I duno but fix this shit
My best char is a lvl 70 WD and he can't farm higher than mp5.
Played more then 450hours across 3 chars (about 350 just with the WD) and all my stuff I use with my WD comes from the AH except my ammy and glove. His dps is 115k unbuffed or something.
I know, pretty sad.
I guess the only thing we have is our pride in the end. As long as I avoid buying gold I'm in the right and that's where I want to belong anyways. IMO the auction house ruined this game , <--- that's all I have to say fuck you blizzard
I've clocked around +350 hours into my Barb, he's 52 Paragon level. Throughout his paragon leveling he's been through many many many different builds (two handed, dual wield, sword and broad, throwing) and I've probably only found a few items that actually made me proud of the time I've invested into the game. Although that was back in the 1 - 10 paragon bracket
I guess you're right. Most people avoid the whole issue by playing HC (hell, even some blues have come out and said it too!) but that isn't for everyone.
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
I have a hard time believing that you found 7 EF's worth 10m+. If not AH flipping, maybe buying unid's? OP is ranting about the fact hat you can play forever and not find anything valuable. Which is absolutely true, just look at pichapie's example.
(However, @OP, I think if a game keeps you engaged enough for 500+ hours you gotta admit it lets you look kinda stupid if you say the game needs to be fixed - it's rather about an improvement to keep you engaged for another 500h.)
I do love this game a lot, maybe it's where I played and enjoyed blizzard games since in the 90s?
When you reach p100 you'll stop for a while, but all the p100s in my friends list came back after some time and are playing just as much as before.
The thing is, D3 may not be perfect, but it's by far the best game of its kind out there right now. Unless you're fine with playing something else from a different genre, you'll come back every now and then. And I have to say it was the same with D1 and D2; it was an "on - off" game. I played for some days or weeks like crazy, then stopped for a while, but I always came back. And I've observed the same for D3. And even though everyone's bitching about itemization, I personally didn't feel different about loot in D2. It's not like you found an awesome item every run. I remember countless Dutchess runs without a single high rune - ever. I remember many many many Baal runs and the most "valuable" stuff that I got after a couple of days was enough gold to gamble at Gheed's.
In my opinion, if you spend a lot of time on something (and 500+ hours on a PC game is a lot of time, frankly) you'll always find something that bothers you. But the pro's definitely outweighed the con's if you put that many hours into it, and that's what you should keep in mind.
You just need some luck and skill. In d2 you had to find noobs to rip off in the trade window... In D3 you need to flip the AH. I personally don't have time for that so i just spend real money at times where i stay home during the weekend or something. Last time i used real money on D3 was like 4 months ago but still. If it's your hobby, and you know how to manage your money, then it's worth it.
Regarding the itemization patch... It will solve the OP's problem in some aspects since there will be more viable items that drop unlike the current situation where 90% of items dropped are complete trash... If not 99%. But still that wont solve the problem because it is, as i said earlier, not really a problem. It's the nature of this game. Some people will be less lucky than others. I really don't see how you can solve that without dumbing down the game even more and completely ruining everything by flattening the economy.
Why do people have such a hard problem understanding such a basic issue?
"Worthy" is a notion that is only important because of a dynamic game economy. People can't have worthy in game drops all the time when there's like 250k other players farming, lots of them in a much more efficient manner.
When are people going to understand that it just doesn't work like that.
Blizzard already improved the drops tenfold (with the changes to ilvl 63 drops, affixes and legendaries) and people still complain about "useless drops".
They're not useless in that they can't be used, they're useless because they don't sell for hundreds of millions of gold. And people want a lottery ticket every "x" hours played, and that's not going to happen. Because if everyone is getting lottery tickets, then nobody is.
There's no "fixing" this. The only thing that could remotely improve that feeling is a self-found mode (or big limitations to AH usage in the current mode). But then the same kids who complain about this will rage that they found "x" amazing DH item and can't sell it.
you farm 500+ hours and only make 1b gold? lol. time is money friend.....how much is your time worth? not much apparently.
What's the damn point of continuing to point out that the good drops are too few and far between? People playing SC are bitching because they aren't rolling in gold. Try playing HC self found and then tell me how painful the rarity of great drops strikes you.
This issue is being fixed. Either stop bitching about it and sally forth, or take a break until 1.09.
Thank you.
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If you are using the auction house for all your gear, even if you barely spend anything you've already made 99.9% of the gear you could find thereafter worthless, because the 99.9% portion has already been dropped and found roughly 9990 more times than the valuable .01% that everybody wants. If you shift the RNG to stricter values, this does not change. 99.9% of the gear still remains worthless because everybody wants that .01% and it still drops at the same rate. This is only from an economy standpoint.
If you play self-found, this doesn't apply to you. For instance if mempos were made to roll 3-6 crit every time, instead of the random property, than finding a mempo for utility will always be amazingly better. But, for the economy, 3% crit mempos will all become worthless and only 6% will have value and that value will probably drop dramatically from what it is now. So, as an AH player your current mempos will lose value, both monetary value and value in rarity and bragging rights.
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You can't have your cake and eat it too. You know that's the answer.
The more "better" stuff you can find on your own, and the shorter the amount of time you have to play to find it, the higher the quality baseline of items on the AH. Do I want D3 to have an economy? I'm not sure about that. I never wanted D3 to have MMO features, never really cared much about that in D2 or Torchlight. But it has, so I have to deal with it.
Weren't you around when they tweaked ilvl affixes and drops, and reworked legendaries, and almost every single one that dropped was "amazing" compared to old rares? It's the same thing.
Also it's clear by the OP's post (and many others) that they're just not playing at 110% as some guys are. I never found anything worth more than 90~ mil, and my Wizard is (was when I last touched her) roughly worth 110 mil and can do up to MP9 (CMWW) or MP7 (Archon). And I'm not even remotely good compared to those guys.
Some people put big money on the RMAH as soon as it was released to farm more, and then they took that money and became stronger. There were people farming MP10 with near max magic find as soon as it was released (and looking to make money out of it). You can't play "casually" (as in not knowing how to spend your gold, and not knowing how to make gold) and compete with those.
LOL you didn't farm shit! YOu bought Un ID EFs and sold off the good ones... Probably bought gold first to get the un IDs...
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made way more flipping than farming and yet i chose to continue farming. may as well be a glutton for punishment