As you can see the map is quite insane, which is pretty much needed at that level. We actually failed a lot of GR by less than a minute, sometimes without conduit, sometimes without power... We could have done a way better timer on open map like Arreat Cave even with a slightly worse mobtype. We also encountered alot of lag spikes on this clear sadly. But it doesn't matter in the end, a clear is a clear !
I'm writing this post because I wanted to share our GR120 4P clear on EU NS (EU #1) (Just done tonight!) with you. You will think that we are just some high paragon guys fishing for a good rift... But I share this clear with you because this is not exactly the case. We actually replaced the Support Monk by a whole new build that I'm thinking about since 2.4.1 PTR (And even back in 2.4) : The Heal Crusader.
You will say "Nothing new, a lot of people have theorycrafted Support Crusader builds since 2.4". Indeed, since 2.4, there is alot of Support Crusader builds here and there, but none of these builds had the potential to be part of the metagame, mostly because the monks spot is the only viable spot to be replaced by the. Thus, I came up with a Crusader build able to replace the Monk and capable of GR120+.
After alot of brainstorming I finally found a build that was actually worth to try a few weeks ago. So we made a few tries and cleared GR115 pretty easily (You can see it here). After some more tests in GR119/120 and some builds adjustements with my mates LouLou, Hustle and S0RRY, we felt it was clearly viable and we decided to just do it. Our sweet mate S0RRY who was playing Monk switched to Crusader and he actually learned the gameplay really fast !
Setup Used :
ET Wizard : LouLou
Support Barb : Chewingnom
Support WD : Hustle
Support Crusader : S0RRY
The Consecration + Inviolable Faith healing has alot of potential so you can compensate some of the toughness loss quite easily (Blur Passive + Ghost Trance BBV).
The Sweep Attack packing is insane for Pain Enhancer and Area Damage in high density maps, especially with a static DPS like Twister Wizard.
The Critical Law is a great DPS buff along with Resolved Judgment. Though, the problem with Judgment is that the Crit Buff doesnt work on CC-immune mobs, so the uptime is not that good sadly.
The potential :
We think it can compete with Support Monk in high end pushing (Likely 122+). I can see Support Crusader and Support Monk being equally viable in the 4 players metagame, Support Monk is in my opinion the safe way with no surprise while Support Crusader is the risky way with opportunities to really shine, more potential. Risky, indeed. Toughness is not a real issue in most cases but some bad elites combos can be hard to survive with a Crusader. Monk is still more consistent for toughness.
Why can it be worth it to play Crusader? Alongside the Critical Law, the main advantage for the Heal Crusader is Gathering Sweep. The more density you have, the more the Crusader will buff your DPS by sweeping mobs. More mobs into PE and ET range, more ET breakpoints, more AD, AD more efficient...
Still, it is very hard to quantify the DPS gain from the Sweep Attack, but playing Crusader is allways a ~5% DPS buff even without Sweep Attack and with Judgment poor uptime taken into account. But, the DPS potential due to Sweep Attack can theoretically be so insane in « dream maps » that it can justify to drop the Monk if you are at your DPS ceiling. In the end, my opinion is that you will have to decide what's best for your group and what you prefer to play.
Note that I'm only talking about the 4 players metagame here. The toughness buffs from Monk are likely mandatory in 2 players and 3 players (With the current Twister build at least, but the concept of Tal Rasha 6P is mostly locking the Wizard build anyway). But maybe we just didn't think enough about it!
I gave up the Roland 6P (250% Attack Speed Bonus) that I tried back in 2.4 to get the Roland 2P (Cooldowns Reset with Sweep Attack) along with the Akkhan 4P (50% RCR while in Akarat and 50% CDR on Akarat) instead.
One of the keys of the build is to use the Akkhan's Addendum in the Cube Weapon Slot which gives you Prophet Rune (150% Armor & Cheat Death Proc) and Embodiment of Power Rune (+5 Wrath Regen) of Akarat Champion and allows you to take Rally Rune.
The Rally Rune is basically resetting all your cooldowns when you use it. One of the other keys to the build is Akarat's Awakening that will reset your cooldowns everytime you block, as with both Justice Lantern and Hold Your Ground Passive, you can be block-capped. Thus, all of this will allow you to put down alot of Consecration very fast and will also allow you to handle your cooldowns and Zodiac ring procs easily, giving you enough freedom to focus on sweeping mobs.
The gameplay is quite obvious and simple : You have to stack Consecration on the floor to get healing, while Sweeping mobs wisely (No mindless spam) into the Twister range. Always use Consecration and Law just before using Rally Akarat (which will reset them) in order to enhance your Consecration Stacking and Zodiac Ring Procs.
You have to use Judgment wisely too, because it roots enemies, you have to figure out the best way to use it : Only on the mobs already stacked with Gathering Sweep into Twister Range, right before an Arcane CoE... Condemn is still very useful to pack density and sometimes keeping it together but Shield Glare may likely be a viable option to get 20% damage buff.
Conclusion :
It seems to me that the build is pretty strong in its current state and may likely be the best group setup while fishing for a dream map in high endgame. The coordination of the group and the teamplay is likely way more difficult to master than with a Monk though.
Remember that the metagame is never settled in stone and copy/paste builds from Rank 1 guys doesn't mean you are playing the best setup (Or the only viable setup). There are so many build-possibilities, so many group synergies that maybe nobody thought about yet, that you can't just say "If Rank 1 is playing this, it is the best build/setup, no matter what". No.
Thus I wanted to thank my mates LouLou, Hustle and S0RRY who are very smart/good players and always want to try out new builds and group setups. Thanks guys, keep up the good work
Thx for sharing your run. It is nice to see that the cruisader has a place in 4p. And indignation Blizzard system is not his fault and they showed an alternative to monk. what is your problem?
Thx for sharing your run. It is nice to see that the cruisader has a place in 4p. And indignation Blizzard system is not his fault and they showed an alternative to monk. what is your problem?
Indeed. First time seeing a Crus in 4p group. Finally something new. And...sometimes you should just ignore certain kind of useless negative comment. It is not worth your time.
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Thx for sharing your run. It is nice to see that the cruisader has a place in 4p. And indignation Blizzard system is not his fault and they showed an alternative to monk. what is your problem?
Problem is Diablo is about killing monsters, and having a 4P group with the 75% supp of the group playing a build not at as intended or ever envisioned by Blizzard, with the other 25% DPS playing a build with not as intended dmg that will just get nerfed the next patch anyway
Thx for sharing your run. It is nice to see that the cruisader has a place in 4p. And indignation Blizzard system is not his fault and they showed an alternative to monk. what is your problem?
Problem is Diablo is about killing monsters, and having a 4P group with the 75% supp of the group playing a build not at as intended or ever envisioned by Blizzard, with the other 25% DPS playing a build with not as intended dmg that will just get nerfed the next patch anyway
Then that would be Bliz's issues to deal with for they are the one who designs the game in such a way. Intended or not, there is no better way to push GR past 100 apart from 3 zDPS in the group. How is playing the game in the most optimized way make him a pussy? People can play however they want within what is allowed in game... your insult may be worth more if you can actually come up with 2 zDPS or 1 zDPS or none at all and go past GR 100.
Can you do that? I would hardly think so since the entire community itself cannot come up with one.
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Thx for sharing your run. It is nice to see that the cruisader has a place in 4p. And indignation Blizzard system is not his fault and they showed an alternative to monk. what is your problem?
Problem is Diablo is about killing monsters, and having a 4P group with the 75% supp of the group playing a build not at as intended or ever envisioned by Blizzard, with the other 25% DPS playing a build with not as intended dmg that will just get nerfed the next patch anyway
Then that would be Bliz's issues to deal with for they are the one who designs the game in such a way. Intended or not, there is no better way to push GR past 100 apart from 3 zDPS in the group. How is playing the game in the most optimized way make him a pussy? People can play however they want within what is allowed in game... your insult may be worth more if you can actually come up with 2 zDPS or 1 zDPS or none at all and go past GR 100.
Can you do that? I would hardly think so since the entire community itself cannot come up with one.
well really it doesnt even matter if it GR 150 or GR 70, the 3 ZDPS buff so much/heal so much health that newest Flavor of Month DPS will never die, the only "trouble" for D3 endgame farmers is finding the right RNG rift
Thx for sharing your run. It is nice to see that the cruisader has a place in 4p. And indignation Blizzard system is not his fault and they showed an alternative to monk. what is your problem?
Indeed. First time seeing a Crus in 4p group. Finally something new. And...sometimes you should just ignore certain kind of useless negative comment. It is not worth your time.
First time? You guys are new, right?
There was procsader already in season 4.
Thx for sharing your run. It is nice to see that the cruisader has a place in 4p. And indignation Blizzard system is not his fault and they showed an alternative to monk. what is your problem?
Indeed. First time seeing a Crus in 4p group. Finally something new. And...sometimes you should just ignore certain kind of useless negative comment. It is not worth your time.
First time? You guys are new, right?
There was procsader already in season 4.
How about first time in S6? All the GR100+ has no Crus in it as far as I know but then again I am just a casual player so I can be wrong about many things
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I sometimes wonder what it would be like if all 4 peeps go all out on DPS build with no support. How far could they go? XD
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I sometimes wonder what it would be like if all 4 peeps go all out on DPS build with no support. How far could they go? XD
Gr60-70
Of course much higher. In general an absolute number is nonsense. You could put 3 people with level 1 characters in Alkaizer's game and he's single-handedly finish a GR85 or GR90 on his wizard. Four wizards could more than easily do that; while some of them would occasionally die, the DPS would be insane. I don't think the question was meant to be taken literally, but if so, it's probably 10-15 tiers less (assuming the same level of fishing). Keep in mind DPS characters would then still use some group skills (e.g., wizards alternating Black Hole, using some defensive buffs like shield or bubble, and so on). People often forget that this GR120 wasn't a one shot but took a lot of attempts.
Overall, the discussion in the last few posts has gone so much off-topic that I wonder if people actually understood the significance of OPs post. For weeks and months, the meta was settled and everyone believed there was only one possible combination for high GRs. Now out of nowhere those guys went out of their way and did a lot of testing to prove everyone wrong and find a dent in everyone's belief that the "meta is settled". And the fact that the Crusader was one of the most important support classes in the first four seasons and everyone knew it provided the highest damage buff compared to all support classes in the game just adds to the fact that this is not something that they're the first to try. I have tried this myself and argued about this with other people, although everyone convinced me that the Crusader is dead for support. The happier I am to see this revelation.
Now, in all threads we currently have on this forum, come to the one thread that proves the meta wrong and complain about the meta completely baffles me. It's almost off-topic when it goes exactly 100% against what Chewingnom wrote himself here: "Remember that the metagame is never settled in stone and copy/paste builds from Rank 1 guys doesn't mean you are playing the best setup (Or the only viable setup). There are so many build-possibilities, so many group synergies that maybe nobody thought about yet, that you can't just say "If Rank 1 is playing this, it is the best build/setup, no matter what". No."
Therefore, once again: Thanks, Chewingnom, for proving everyone wrong and not only discovering this, but proving what I'm trying to say for ages - the meta is never settled, especially with only a handful of people in Diablo 3 actually willing to change. And to everyone complaining about the meta: This thread is testament that the meta is never settled. I've said this a million times, but never ever forget season 3. Four month everyone thought the DH was the #1 DPS class, until the real potential of the wizard was discovered - too late even to top the leaderboards. So stop complaining but go out and do what Chewingnom did and prove them all wrong.
probably like only 5 levels lower than the 1dps/3supp meta. People just will never open their mind which I think is very sad. But that's another topic.
For efficient runs you just need people that are willing to compromise their builds for party beneficial skills like ip (pride of cassius), cyclone strike/inner sanc, big bad vodoo, etc.
you dont need to go full retard support and do no dps at all. But it's the most efficient way so everyone will do that and there are actually almost no people even trying something else.
To me this usual behavior of people got strengthened when people left my party cus of "wiz got low dps" when in fact I was at the top of leaderboards (top10) just didn't use the usual meta build and so my profile dps is different by nature. tbh it's very depressing to see so much ignorance around most meta players.
I sometimes wonder what it would be like if all 4 peeps go all out on DPS build with no support. How far could they go? XD
With few of my friends.. 4 dps as 1x 700, 2x 600 and 1x 400 para DPS team on the 9th day of the season, grift 75. We had 3 IK/Rae barbs and one UE DH lol.
I guess we could do higher now, since 2 of us are over 1k para, and rest is about 800. But even on that 75 run we had major lags, and only DH used any area effect with marked for death... Can't even imagine what would happen with any WD build in our team, lol
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I sometimes wonder what it would be like if all 4 peeps go all out on DPS build with no support. How far could they go? XD
With few of my friends.. 4 dps as 1x 700, 2x 600 and 1x 400 para DPS team on the 9th day of the season, grift 75. We had 3 IK/Rae barbs and one UE DH lol.
I guess we could do higher now, since 2 of us are over 1k para, and rest is about 800. But even on that 75 run we had major lags, and only DH used any area effect with marked for death... Can't even imagine what would happen with any WD build in our team, lol
I remembered seeing some vid a long while back with 4 wiz teaming up. It was a sight to behold how hard they got slaughtered by some vortex Mallet Lords elite pack XD
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Hello, this is Chewingnom from the clan <WQW> Quantum Warriors on EU.
Youtube Video of the clear is now available ! https://youtu.be/HNSFSg6sQe8
As you can see the map is quite insane, which is pretty much needed at that level. We actually failed a lot of GR by less than a minute, sometimes without conduit, sometimes without power... We could have done a way better timer on open map like Arreat Cave even with a slightly worse mobtype. We also encountered alot of lag spikes on this clear sadly. But it doesn't matter in the end, a clear is a clear !
I'm writing this post because I wanted to share our GR120 4P clear on EU NS (EU #1) (Just done tonight!) with you. You will think that we are just some high paragon guys fishing for a good rift... But I share this clear with you because this is not exactly the case. We actually replaced the Support Monk by a whole new build that I'm thinking about since 2.4.1 PTR (And even back in 2.4) : The Heal Crusader.
You will say "Nothing new, a lot of people have theorycrafted Support Crusader builds since 2.4". Indeed, since 2.4, there is alot of Support Crusader builds here and there, but none of these builds had the potential to be part of the metagame, mostly because the monks spot is the only viable spot to be replaced by the. Thus, I came up with a Crusader build able to replace the Monk and capable of GR120+.
After alot of brainstorming I finally found a build that was actually worth to try a few weeks ago. So we made a few tries and cleared GR115 pretty easily (You can see it here). After some more tests in GR119/120 and some builds adjustements with my mates LouLou, Hustle and S0RRY, we felt it was clearly viable and we decided to just do it. Our sweet mate S0RRY who was playing Monk switched to Crusader and he actually learned the gameplay really fast !
Setup Used :
ET Wizard : LouLou
Support Barb : Chewingnom
Support WD : Hustle
Support Crusader : S0RRY
Clear/Leaderboards screenshots :
Clear Screenshot
Leaderboards
Some hints :
The potential :
We think it can compete with Support Monk in high end pushing (Likely 122+). I can see Support Crusader and Support Monk being equally viable in the 4 players metagame, Support Monk is in my opinion the safe way with no surprise while Support Crusader is the risky way with opportunities to really shine, more potential. Risky, indeed. Toughness is not a real issue in most cases but some bad elites combos can be hard to survive with a Crusader. Monk is still more consistent for toughness.
Why can it be worth it to play Crusader? Alongside the Critical Law, the main advantage for the Heal Crusader is Gathering Sweep. The more density you have, the more the Crusader will buff your DPS by sweeping mobs. More mobs into PE and ET range, more ET breakpoints, more AD, AD more efficient...
Still, it is very hard to quantify the DPS gain from the Sweep Attack, but playing Crusader is allways a ~5% DPS buff even without Sweep Attack and with Judgment poor uptime taken into account. But, the DPS potential due to Sweep Attack can theoretically be so insane in « dream maps » that it can justify to drop the Monk if you are at your DPS ceiling. In the end, my opinion is that you will have to decide what's best for your group and what you prefer to play.
Note that I'm only talking about the 4 players metagame here. The toughness buffs from Monk are likely mandatory in 2 players and 3 players (With the current Twister build at least, but the concept of Tal Rasha 6P is mostly locking the Wizard build anyway). But maybe we just didn't think enough about it!
The build :
How it works :
I gave up the Roland 6P (250% Attack Speed Bonus) that I tried back in 2.4 to get the Roland 2P (Cooldowns Reset with Sweep Attack) along with the Akkhan 4P (50% RCR while in Akarat and 50% CDR on Akarat) instead.
One of the keys of the build is to use the Akkhan's Addendum in the Cube Weapon Slot which gives you Prophet Rune (150% Armor & Cheat Death Proc) and Embodiment of Power Rune (+5 Wrath Regen) of Akarat Champion and allows you to take Rally Rune.
The Rally Rune is basically resetting all your cooldowns when you use it. One of the other keys to the build is Akarat's Awakening that will reset your cooldowns everytime you block, as with both Justice Lantern and Hold Your Ground Passive, you can be block-capped. Thus, all of this will allow you to put down alot of Consecration very fast and will also allow you to handle your cooldowns and Zodiac ring procs easily, giving you enough freedom to focus on sweeping mobs.
The gameplay is quite obvious and simple : You have to stack Consecration on the floor to get healing, while Sweeping mobs wisely (No mindless spam) into the Twister range. Always use Consecration and Law just before using Rally Akarat (which will reset them) in order to enhance your Consecration Stacking and Zodiac Ring Procs.
You have to use Judgment wisely too, because it roots enemies, you have to figure out the best way to use it : Only on the mobs already stacked with Gathering Sweep into Twister Range, right before an Arcane CoE... Condemn is still very useful to pack density and sometimes keeping it together but Shield Glare may likely be a viable option to get 20% damage buff.
Conclusion :
It seems to me that the build is pretty strong in its current state and may likely be the best group setup while fishing for a dream map in high endgame. The coordination of the group and the teamplay is likely way more difficult to master than with a Monk though.
Remember that the metagame is never settled in stone and copy/paste builds from Rank 1 guys doesn't mean you are playing the best setup (Or the only viable setup). There are so many build-possibilities, so many group synergies that maybe nobody thought about yet, that you can't just say "If Rank 1 is playing this, it is the best build/setup, no matter what". No.
Thus I wanted to thank my mates LouLou, Hustle and S0RRY who are very smart/good players and always want to try out new builds and group setups. Thanks guys, keep up the good work
<WQW> Chewingnom
<WQW> Chewingnom
Multiple GR #1 World clears on Youtube !
3 supp, lmao ur such a pussy
Thx for sharing your run. It is nice to see that the cruisader has a place in 4p. And indignation Blizzard system is not his fault and they showed an alternative to monk. what is your problem?
"Hope... Do not look down, my friend. Even in the darkest of times, there is always hope. Hope for a better day, hope for a new dawn. Or just hope for a good breakfast. You start small, then see what you can get."
Can you do that? I would hardly think so since the entire community itself cannot come up with one.
"Hope... Do not look down, my friend. Even in the darkest of times, there is always hope. Hope for a better day, hope for a new dawn. Or just hope for a good breakfast. You start small, then see what you can get."
well really it doesnt even matter if it GR 150 or GR 70, the 3 ZDPS buff so much/heal so much health that newest Flavor of Month DPS will never die, the only "trouble" for D3 endgame farmers is finding the right RNG rift
There was procsader already in season 4.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
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Sad thing is crusader NEVER WAS A group DPS in any season or non-season. This is retarded.
We had sentry dhs, slowball dh, carn wds, lightning monks, twister wizards for two seasons. Never we had a crusader.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
So what? We didn't have dps barbs too.
Season 6 barbarian solo sc EU grift 85 12m 23.199s MotE build
I sometimes wonder what it would be like if all 4 peeps go all out on DPS build with no support. How far could they go? XD
"Hope... Do not look down, my friend. Even in the darkest of times, there is always hope. Hope for a better day, hope for a new dawn. Or just hope for a good breakfast. You start small, then see what you can get."
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
Overall, the discussion in the last few posts has gone so much off-topic that I wonder if people actually understood the significance of OPs post. For weeks and months, the meta was settled and everyone believed there was only one possible combination for high GRs. Now out of nowhere those guys went out of their way and did a lot of testing to prove everyone wrong and find a dent in everyone's belief that the "meta is settled". And the fact that the Crusader was one of the most important support classes in the first four seasons and everyone knew it provided the highest damage buff compared to all support classes in the game just adds to the fact that this is not something that they're the first to try. I have tried this myself and argued about this with other people, although everyone convinced me that the Crusader is dead for support. The happier I am to see this revelation.
Now, in all threads we currently have on this forum, come to the one thread that proves the meta wrong and complain about the meta completely baffles me. It's almost off-topic when it goes exactly 100% against what Chewingnom wrote himself here: "Remember that the metagame is never settled in stone and copy/paste builds from Rank 1 guys doesn't mean you are playing the best setup (Or the only viable setup). There are so many build-possibilities, so many group synergies that maybe nobody thought about yet, that you can't just say "If Rank 1 is playing this, it is the best build/setup, no matter what". No."
Therefore, once again: Thanks, Chewingnom, for proving everyone wrong and not only discovering this, but proving what I'm trying to say for ages - the meta is never settled, especially with only a handful of people in Diablo 3 actually willing to change. And to everyone complaining about the meta: This thread is testament that the meta is never settled. I've said this a million times, but never ever forget season 3. Four month everyone thought the DH was the #1 DPS class, until the real potential of the wizard was discovered - too late even to top the leaderboards. So stop complaining but go out and do what Chewingnom did and prove them all wrong.
Noone tried carn docs with supports as well. And Zuni has some crazy multipliers now, while docs toughness is on par with wizards.
Overall, i would say 3 supports are not that important. With JUST a monk you can do 100+.
2 supp = 110+.
The best way to try ALL DPS setup is to join public games. Then you will notice how hard it is to survive in 80+. Pretty much insta-gib fest
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
probably like only 5 levels lower than the 1dps/3supp meta. People just will never open their mind which I think is very sad. But that's another topic.
For efficient runs you just need people that are willing to compromise their builds for party beneficial skills like ip (pride of cassius), cyclone strike/inner sanc, big bad vodoo, etc.
you dont need to go full retard support and do no dps at all. But it's the most efficient way so everyone will do that and there are actually almost no people even trying something else.
To me this usual behavior of people got strengthened when people left my party cus of "wiz got low dps" when in fact I was at the top of leaderboards (top10) just didn't use the usual meta build and so my profile dps is different by nature. tbh it's very depressing to see so much ignorance around most meta players.
With few of my friends.. 4 dps as 1x 700, 2x 600 and 1x 400 para DPS team on the 9th day of the season, grift 75. We had 3 IK/Rae barbs and one UE DH lol.
I guess we could do higher now, since 2 of us are over 1k para, and rest is about 800. But even on that 75 run we had major lags, and only DH used any area effect with marked for death... Can't even imagine what would happen with any WD build in our team, lol
Season 6 barbarian solo sc EU grift 85 12m 23.199s MotE build
"Hope... Do not look down, my friend. Even in the darkest of times, there is always hope. Hope for a better day, hope for a new dawn. Or just hope for a good breakfast. You start small, then see what you can get."