I don't think it will be a problem for me. I never took a character's final equipment off once I went onto another character. It seems to me that this move will mainly just improve the online economy a bit, which isn't really a concern for me either way.
Too late it's confirmed by Blizzard... you can cry !
Hey they will problably not leave that way
We don't even know how D3 PvP will be. With the info we have this problem exist, but we don't have all the info right ?
Theres problably a system that prevents that problem, we just dn't know yet. and i'm curious.
There will likely be mods for D3. Blizzard said the same thing about d2 about no mods. Blizzard will not support mods and that is fine with the mod making community.
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There will likely be mods for D3. Blizzard said the same thing about d2 about no mods. Blizzard will not support mods and that is fine with the mod making community.
Michal I could not agree with you more. Theres never going to be a game design thats absolute perfection, people are always going to complain about something, but when you have a game like D2 that was the trendsetter for the genre that has yet to be toppled by another similar playing game, why change it to be more like other games?
It boggles me that blizzard can't look at D2 and say ok guys, whats some features this game had that others didnt? It seems like that would be the perfect basis for molding a sequel. Instead it seems like they are systematically tearing out the awesome from the Diablo series.
I had wet dreams for a month when they announced D3, but since some of the things they've been announcing I doubt I'll even waste 50 bucks on it. Respecs, binding gear, gold economy, neutered pk, bleh! Oh wait, they're spending a lot of time working on random quests... Is this a joke? I really don't care if I kill a red goblin 3 times, a blue one twice, a brown one twice...or just kill a red one 8 times. I haven't been such a long time fan of the diablo series because the pvm was fun...its all about the pvp/pk, various ways to interact with people either as a nice guy or a jerk, and the funnest trading system in any game I've ever played. Open ended bartering that actually allows for variation in trade is awesome, why kill it with a gold system where everything has a set value. No more being able to haggle someone to throw a little extra in, becuase everyones gonna know thats only worth 100 gold and thats all you get. Booorrrrrring.
I just get a funny feeling a lot of people on here have never even had a decked out character. It could take months to put together a sweet character on ladder, or years to put together an absolute perfect character on non-ladder. Once you get that character though, you can completely trade it for another set of equal value as quickly as you find someone else looking to swap to try something new out. It seems totally backwards to add in respecs because people hate grinding out a new alt, even though you can easily level to 80+ in a few hours or less, then turn around and add in binding gear, something thats just going to force you to grind more each time you want to experiment with something else.
I just don't see any purpose to a feature thats going to punish you for experimenting and limit trading. What if I were to make a fire sorc, and decide its not really my type of character, and change to ice sorc. Either its gonna suck horrible having to scrap a set of gear since I can't trade it. On the flipside, if it takes less time to regear a character in D3 then it would take to trade a gear set and level an alt in D2, then its still an awful feature. This system is destined to suck.
Blizzard pull your heads out of you arses please. I've been a D2 fan from the day it was released, up until the day you announced respecs. It seems like you just want to wussify d2 a little to gradually work all us long time d2 addicts into the true wussification that will manifest itself in D3. Nobody can mess anything up, everyone has to be friends, and if you want anything all you have to do is grind mindlessly enough to save up enough gold for...this is where D3 is headed. Meanwhile the D2 formula was you messed up you deal with it, everyone can be a jerk so find some good friends, and grind time can be slashed way down simply by the open trading system and learning how to work it.
Please stop screwing Diablo over blizzard, I might have to re-enter reality if you do. You can't allow this to happen, as my fiance might no longer consider a soj a valid engagement ring:(
We have no idea how PvP will work and how often stuff will drop...
But you have a good point. "How it's going to be possible to live as a pure PvP players if I can't trade ?". This is a question for then to answer.
for everyone that keeps comparing the two on this or any thread read this on more time.
Blizzard pull your heads out of you arses please. I've been a D2 fan from the day it was released, up until the day you announced respecs. It seems like you just want to wussify d2 a little to gradually work all us long time d2 addicts into the true wussification that will manifest itself in D3. Nobody can mess anything up, everyone has to be friends, and if you want anything all you have to do is grind mindlessly enough to save up enough gold for...this is where D3 is headed. Meanwhile the D2 formula was you messed up you deal with it, everyone can be a jerk so find some good friends, and grind time can be slashed way down simply by the open trading system and learning how to work it.
Please stop screwing Diablo over blizzard, I might have to re-enter reality if you do. You can't allow this to happen, as my fiance might no longer consider a soj a valid engagement ring:(
Most of this sounds like it belongs on the battle.net boards. I'd love to see Bash's take on everything you said.
And you haven't been doing much D2 online right now because the economy is in disarray. You could get perfect gear in a week or less. Prices have fallen and everything is cheep.
Diablo 2 never got anything correct. Diablo 1 was way more revolutionary then D2. Diablo 2 set the stage for other games to build on what diablo 2 had introduced. Blizz is going to do the same thing. Their gonna look at what sucks (ie: trade system I have no idea what was fun about making games screaming TRADING HELL TORCH FOR SOME ODD NUMBER OF HR'S) and build on it like other companies have in the past.
On the subject of gold. I think that their should be the option of trading items for gold or you can trade and item for an item and barter with the player in a seperate place. I think a lot of the trade is going to change based on what battle.net 2.0 is going to introduce.
There will likely be mods for D3. Blizzard said the same thing about d2 about no mods. Blizzard will not support mods and that is fine with the mod making community.
??? why are you talking about mod ??? you're not in the right thread !!
"How it's going to be possible to live as a pure PvP players if I can't trade ?".
??? Who said we can't trade ??? If blizzard make a trade system it's mean we will be able to trade ?!??!? only the greatest overpowered high level items will be BoE !!! And I don't see a problem with that, only good points. And anyway I'm the kind of guy who will never find a single BoE, maybe after a years when people will put it in the trade because they haven't wear it.
Because, maka, IRL being a prick to someone would likely mean the offender would be arrested, get their arse handed to them and, more importantly, if someone did that IRL, there would be a face to the emotion. Add on court dates, paperwork and bills, and it's no wonder that people avoid this kinda thing out in the open. With on-line multiplayer, especially in the form of PvP, there is no face, no true identity to the emotion. Only a cold, heartless machine and, if your lucky, the person's voice at the end of a headset. This avoids all the negativity of dealing with the real-life issues...except the crucial one - the emotion. The emotion, usually one of disgust, contempt, or even hate, is then transferred from one person to the next, often times increasing by two-fold or more. You see, when people need self-gratification or when people feel they have been wronged, they tend to lash out. History has taught us that much. However, there is one, even more important, aspect that people usually miss altogether. The one fact that often goes overlooked...
It's a game, folks. First and foremost, it's entertainment and, perhaps in a few rare cases, a challenge. It's enjoyment. If you aren't enjoying the game, you're taking it way too seriously. People don't want to think that way, though. Pride alone will blind them from that. Often, it's men (of which I am, but not too proudly) who will act this way. I don't ever hear that women would go on this kind of tirade over a game, but I imagine it could happen. Just on the simple premise of being human gives proof of that - there are decent people and then there are those who aren't. That's my main reason for staying out of on-line multiplayer, too many pricks in the world. However, I can't just condemn that on that one reason alone. See, I like to play the game within the parameters of what game has set before me. Some people don't like to, though. They have the knowledge that the game can be exploited in certain ways and, if they do happen to find such a way, and they will, they will use that to augment themselves to make the game less of a challenge and more of an overkill-fest. Sometimes, this happens at the expense of others. Sometimes not. Personally, I don't have the knowledge to find out how to exploit games in such a manner and, frankly, I don't care to know. I don't give a flying turd about it.
Yet, such is the reality of it. People will always want to have that certain edge, that extra power to wield over people and wave it around like a banner that screams of elite-ism. It's a common theme of humanity and it knows no bounds. It's not limited to wealth, social status, materialism, race, ethnicity or the like and it's disgustingly pathetic. As it pertains to games - if people with identical skill, identical gear, similar gaming equipment and equal internet connections could ever have a battle where the winners were humble and the losers were gracious, this conversation, and subsequently this post, would never exist. I'll bet you, though, in that particular case that even if things were that equal, the winner would boast of something, usually in an unsportsman-like method, or the loser would accuse the winner of something, usually in an equal manner of unsportsman-like method. And the cycle will continue and probably spin more violently than before, until the inevitable outcome happens - someone dies because of hatred over on-line gaming. I believe it'll happen, one day. Just wait and listen. And when it does, that's when I'll smile, re-affirm my discontent for my fellow humans, look at whatever gaming platform I'm playing on at the time, look out the window to the world outside and think...
"Well, at least I can turn off the game."
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what is also mind-boggling is how some people resent the fact that blizzard is trying to remove the option for you to behave like a complete arse on the game. why you'd want to be a complete prick is something that i don't grasp.
Don't worry Maka even if Blizzard removed every aspect of Diablo beside being butt-buddies with everyone you would still get attacked and grieved. It has been apart of Diablo since first day of Diablo 1 and the fanbase will make sure it is live in Diablo 3.
Diablo simply is not that entertaining enough to be a pure PvM game and without the system of randomness created from the community with PK and haggling over items it just falls into line as being a generic Hack n Slash game and in my opinion Diablo relys on the community to make the game what it is and not Blizzard, that is why Diablo 1 and 2 have been great and why I fear Diablo 3 has a chance of falling short cause Blizzard is sticking their hands all over everything trying to play god.
I think soulbound items is brilliant in some cases. For example, D2's got JSP which totally screws the economy of D2.
Agreed, The way there talking about doing the item system, and the vastness. Is going to make the amount of items in D2 look silly(Forlack of a better word). Hopefully what they make "SOULBOUND" "BOE" are the super high end "one of a kind" items, not the cookie cutter items that plauge D2. IMO that's what would make you feel as if you have a unique special char. Random drops (Meaning not unique) being the best is what im hoping for, and if they are high enough stat wise they are "SOULBOUND" "BOE".
Let's just outlaw online games because its going to lead to people getting killed irl. While we're at it, lets outlaw that damn rap music too...
I'm forced to deal with morons in a civil manner all day in real life. Is it that awful that I find pk'ing people and listening to them cry an enjoyable way to unwind after a long day? Yeah your right, I don't go around being a dick to everyone in real life becuase I'd end up in a lot of trouble...but like you said its a game. Wheres the harm in being a bad guy in a game? The name of the game is Diablo...if I wanted to hold everyones hand I'd go play Squishy Fluffy Land.
If I'm not cheating with third party programs or intentionally exploiting known glitches to my advantage, then whatever I'm doing is completely fair. I join your game, I hostile you, I find you, I fight you...wheres the unfairness? If it leads to extreme amounts of e-rage that someone bests you in a game on occasion, then thats the perfect time to take a break and eat some ice cream or something.
Let's just outlaw online games because its going to lead to people getting killed irl. While we're at it, lets outlaw that damn rap music too...
I'm forced to deal with morons in a civil manner all day in real life. Is it that awful that I find pk'ing people and listening to them cry an enjoyable way to unwind after a long day? Yeah your right, I don't go around being a dick to everyone in real life becuase I'd end up in a lot of trouble...but like you said its a game. Wheres the harm in being a bad guy in a game? The name of the game is Diablo...if I wanted to hold everyones hand I'd go play Squishy Fluffy Land.
If I'm not cheating with third party programs or intentionally exploiting known glitches to my advantage, then whatever I'm doing is completely fair. I join your game, I hostile you, I find you, I fight you...wheres the unfairness? If it leads to extreme amounts of e-rage that someone bests you in a game on occasion, then thats the perfect time to take a break and eat some ice cream or something.
When you say "whats the harm in being a bad guy in a game" it ruins the quality of gameplay for whoever your victims are. Yes taking your anger out on people over the internet may be fun but thats pathetic. Go find another way to release your anger rather than ruining someone else's quality of gaming. And the name of the game has absolutely nothing to do with the attitude of how you want to play the game.
When you say "whats the harm in being a bad guy in a game" it ruins the quality of gameplay for whoever your victims are. Yes taking your anger out on people over the internet may be fun but thats pathetic. Go find another way to release your anger rather than ruining someone else's quality of gaming. And the name of the game has absolutely nothing to do with the attitude of how you want to play the game.
Agreed, again, but I loved when people did this to my windy druid they would hostile find me die come back die again then rage when they started it so everyone who does this loves to "try" and dish it out, but when it backfires they cant take it.:thumbsup:
Hahaha yeah, we've all been there. I just hope blizzard makes some kind of PVP tweak that makes players unable to kill naked people, or however the new PVP system is.
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Hey they will problably not leave that way
We don't even know how D3 PvP will be. With the info we have this problem exist, but we don't have all the info right ?
Theres problably a system that prevents that problem, we just dn't know yet. and i'm curious.
Ok ... O.o if you say so.
This is a good thing is all im gonna say other than....
D2jsp and Forum gold are the worse thing to ever happen to diablo. so much for item for item. And.
Sorry to be callin people out, but michal your 3 page posts are redundant as shit. Gameplay makes diablo what it is not trade restrictions
It boggles me that blizzard can't look at D2 and say ok guys, whats some features this game had that others didnt? It seems like that would be the perfect basis for molding a sequel. Instead it seems like they are systematically tearing out the awesome from the Diablo series.
I had wet dreams for a month when they announced D3, but since some of the things they've been announcing I doubt I'll even waste 50 bucks on it. Respecs, binding gear, gold economy, neutered pk, bleh! Oh wait, they're spending a lot of time working on random quests... Is this a joke? I really don't care if I kill a red goblin 3 times, a blue one twice, a brown one twice...or just kill a red one 8 times. I haven't been such a long time fan of the diablo series because the pvm was fun...its all about the pvp/pk, various ways to interact with people either as a nice guy or a jerk, and the funnest trading system in any game I've ever played. Open ended bartering that actually allows for variation in trade is awesome, why kill it with a gold system where everything has a set value. No more being able to haggle someone to throw a little extra in, becuase everyones gonna know thats only worth 100 gold and thats all you get. Booorrrrrring.
I just get a funny feeling a lot of people on here have never even had a decked out character. It could take months to put together a sweet character on ladder, or years to put together an absolute perfect character on non-ladder. Once you get that character though, you can completely trade it for another set of equal value as quickly as you find someone else looking to swap to try something new out. It seems totally backwards to add in respecs because people hate grinding out a new alt, even though you can easily level to 80+ in a few hours or less, then turn around and add in binding gear, something thats just going to force you to grind more each time you want to experiment with something else.
I just don't see any purpose to a feature thats going to punish you for experimenting and limit trading. What if I were to make a fire sorc, and decide its not really my type of character, and change to ice sorc. Either its gonna suck horrible having to scrap a set of gear since I can't trade it. On the flipside, if it takes less time to regear a character in D3 then it would take to trade a gear set and level an alt in D2, then its still an awful feature. This system is destined to suck.
Blizzard pull your heads out of you arses please. I've been a D2 fan from the day it was released, up until the day you announced respecs. It seems like you just want to wussify d2 a little to gradually work all us long time d2 addicts into the true wussification that will manifest itself in D3. Nobody can mess anything up, everyone has to be friends, and if you want anything all you have to do is grind mindlessly enough to save up enough gold for...this is where D3 is headed. Meanwhile the D2 formula was you messed up you deal with it, everyone can be a jerk so find some good friends, and grind time can be slashed way down simply by the open trading system and learning how to work it.
Please stop screwing Diablo over blizzard, I might have to re-enter reality if you do. You can't allow this to happen, as my fiance might no longer consider a soj a valid engagement ring:(
for everyone that keeps comparing the two on this or any thread read this on more time.
Most of this sounds like it belongs on the battle.net boards. I'd love to see Bash's take on everything you said.
And you haven't been doing much D2 online right now because the economy is in disarray. You could get perfect gear in a week or less. Prices have fallen and everything is cheep.
Diablo 2 never got anything correct. Diablo 1 was way more revolutionary then D2. Diablo 2 set the stage for other games to build on what diablo 2 had introduced. Blizz is going to do the same thing. Their gonna look at what sucks (ie: trade system I have no idea what was fun about making games screaming TRADING HELL TORCH FOR SOME ODD NUMBER OF HR'S) and build on it like other companies have in the past.
On the subject of gold. I think that their should be the option of trading items for gold or you can trade and item for an item and barter with the player in a seperate place. I think a lot of the trade is going to change based on what battle.net 2.0 is going to introduce.
??? Who said we can't trade ??? If blizzard make a trade system it's mean we will be able to trade ?!??!? only the greatest overpowered high level items will be BoE !!! And I don't see a problem with that, only good points. And anyway I'm the kind of guy who will never find a single BoE, maybe after a years when people will put it in the trade because they haven't wear it.
It's a game, folks. First and foremost, it's entertainment and, perhaps in a few rare cases, a challenge. It's enjoyment. If you aren't enjoying the game, you're taking it way too seriously. People don't want to think that way, though. Pride alone will blind them from that. Often, it's men (of which I am, but not too proudly) who will act this way. I don't ever hear that women would go on this kind of tirade over a game, but I imagine it could happen. Just on the simple premise of being human gives proof of that - there are decent people and then there are those who aren't. That's my main reason for staying out of on-line multiplayer, too many pricks in the world. However, I can't just condemn that on that one reason alone. See, I like to play the game within the parameters of what game has set before me. Some people don't like to, though. They have the knowledge that the game can be exploited in certain ways and, if they do happen to find such a way, and they will, they will use that to augment themselves to make the game less of a challenge and more of an overkill-fest. Sometimes, this happens at the expense of others. Sometimes not. Personally, I don't have the knowledge to find out how to exploit games in such a manner and, frankly, I don't care to know. I don't give a flying turd about it.
Yet, such is the reality of it. People will always want to have that certain edge, that extra power to wield over people and wave it around like a banner that screams of elite-ism. It's a common theme of humanity and it knows no bounds. It's not limited to wealth, social status, materialism, race, ethnicity or the like and it's disgustingly pathetic. As it pertains to games - if people with identical skill, identical gear, similar gaming equipment and equal internet connections could ever have a battle where the winners were humble and the losers were gracious, this conversation, and subsequently this post, would never exist. I'll bet you, though, in that particular case that even if things were that equal, the winner would boast of something, usually in an unsportsman-like method, or the loser would accuse the winner of something, usually in an equal manner of unsportsman-like method. And the cycle will continue and probably spin more violently than before, until the inevitable outcome happens - someone dies because of hatred over on-line gaming. I believe it'll happen, one day. Just wait and listen. And when it does, that's when I'll smile, re-affirm my discontent for my fellow humans, look at whatever gaming platform I'm playing on at the time, look out the window to the world outside and think...
"Well, at least I can turn off the game."
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Diablo simply is not that entertaining enough to be a pure PvM game and without the system of randomness created from the community with PK and haggling over items it just falls into line as being a generic Hack n Slash game and in my opinion Diablo relys on the community to make the game what it is and not Blizzard, that is why Diablo 1 and 2 have been great and why I fear Diablo 3 has a chance of falling short cause Blizzard is sticking their hands all over everything trying to play god.
Agreed, The way there talking about doing the item system, and the vastness. Is going to make the amount of items in D2 look silly(Forlack of a better word). Hopefully what they make "SOULBOUND" "BOE" are the super high end "one of a kind" items, not the cookie cutter items that plauge D2. IMO that's what would make you feel as if you have a unique special char. Random drops (Meaning not unique) being the best is what im hoping for, and if they are high enough stat wise they are "SOULBOUND" "BOE".
<-- My first D3 Character!!!:D
Let's just outlaw online games because its going to lead to people getting killed irl. While we're at it, lets outlaw that damn rap music too...
I'm forced to deal with morons in a civil manner all day in real life. Is it that awful that I find pk'ing people and listening to them cry an enjoyable way to unwind after a long day? Yeah your right, I don't go around being a dick to everyone in real life becuase I'd end up in a lot of trouble...but like you said its a game. Wheres the harm in being a bad guy in a game? The name of the game is Diablo...if I wanted to hold everyones hand I'd go play Squishy Fluffy Land.
If I'm not cheating with third party programs or intentionally exploiting known glitches to my advantage, then whatever I'm doing is completely fair. I join your game, I hostile you, I find you, I fight you...wheres the unfairness? If it leads to extreme amounts of e-rage that someone bests you in a game on occasion, then thats the perfect time to take a break and eat some ice cream or something.
When you say "whats the harm in being a bad guy in a game" it ruins the quality of gameplay for whoever your victims are. Yes taking your anger out on people over the internet may be fun but thats pathetic. Go find another way to release your anger rather than ruining someone else's quality of gaming. And the name of the game has absolutely nothing to do with the attitude of how you want to play the game.
Agreed, again, but I loved when people did this to my windy druid they would hostile find me die come back die again then rage when they started it so everyone who does this loves to "try" and dish it out, but when it backfires they cant take it.:thumbsup: