It is quite obvious that the Mistress of Pain concept art is for one of the bosses in D3. This is obvious for several reasons. For one thing, all of the other prime evils have had titles similar to this. Secondly, in artwork #39, she looks very much like a boss figure. It can be confirmed by various features that this is the same person in #52. In #52, a number of abilities are listed...such as the ability to launch explosive projectiles at the player, create a sticky goo to impede player movement, slashing blades in the front, etc. These are clearly description of a boss' moves, not a simple everyday monster.
Some people have speculated that the Mistress of Pain concept art may be for Lilith in D3. However Lilith was already patched into D2 using Andariel's image, and I don't think they would have done that if she were to look totally different.
Moreover, the Mistress of Pain has a very similar body style to Duriel...having a soft abdomen with many legs protruding and 2 slashing appendages in the front. None of the other prime evils have this. Also, Duriel is the Lord of Pain, so it seems obvious that the Lord of Pain and the Mistress of Pain should be related -- either his mother or daughter.
It's not possible to know if she's going to be a Act Boss or a regular boss. Or maybe even a normal monster. Many monsters in Diablo have noble title (Blood Lord, Steel Lord, All the minotaur lords in Act 5, etc).
All that we know is that she will appear in the game.
Anyway, yeah, that would make alot of sense. Though the Mistress of Pain is clearly not a lesser evil... from what I know, the only lesser evils are Andariel, Duriel, Belial and Azmodan... so she can't be ranked like Duriel, but I guess they have some other connection, maybe she somehow take his place.
I thought about that, too -- because it could be that she was duriel's mistress, and mistress=lover. However, I rejected the idea as improbable, because I think they are trying to show us that there is a hereditary connection between them by giving her the same soft abdomen, slashing appendages, and spider-like legs as Duriel has. There is no reason for a random mistress of Duriel to have such a hereditary link. Also, there is no reason for a mistress to be particularly frightening or powerful..other than the fact that since he is a demon, we might expect his lover to also be a demon. But if it was his daughter or mother, that almost implicitly implies that she is a powerful demon.
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It's not possible to know if shes going to be a Act Boss or a regular boss. Or maybe even a normal monster. Many monster in diablo have noble title (Blood Lord, Steel Lord, All the minotaur lords in Act 5, etc..).
No, none of the other monsters in D1 or D2 have had similar titles except for Prime Evils or their relatives, who all have such titles.
Diablo = Lord of Terror
Mephisto = Lord of Hatred
Azmodan = Lord of Sin
Belial = Lord of Lies
Duriel = Lord of Pain
??? = Mistress of Pain
Andariel = Maiden of Anguish
Lilith = unofficially "Matriarch of Demons"
"Blood Lord, "Steel Lord", "Minotaur Lord" is completely different -- these are just regular Lords, and there can be many steel lords, whereas "Lord of X" is a title that is a euphemism means something entirely different in English, and is singular -- meaning there can only be one.
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= Anyway, yeah, that would make alot of sense. Though the Mistress of Pain is clearly not a lesser evil... from what I know, the only lesser evils are Andariel, Duriel, Belial and Azmodan... so she can't be ranked like Duriel, but I guess they have some other connection, maybe she somehow take his place.
Yes, there are officially 3 prime evils and 4 lesser evils -- but that hasn't stopped them from inventing new demons who are related to those 7 prime evils. For example, Lilith was recently added as being the Mother of Andariel, daughter of Mephisto -- and brother of Lucion, also newly added. Basically, they have to create new demons to continue the storyline. Theres no reason why Duriel cant have a mother or daughter too. In fact, by saying that demons have parents, that implies that all of them -- including duriel -- have parents.
Also, there isn't necessarily 7 Prime Evils. Think about it. Hell is obviously a changing place. Demons are born and die (and sometimes resurrected), but still the fact remains that there are politics in hell...which means that the 7 prime evils at one point in time is not necessarily the 7 prime evils at a later point in time. If Duriel died, then his daughter or mother could certainly take his place and be classified as one of the new prime evils -- since this basically just means, the 7 most important demons who are trying to cause evil.
The appearance of Lilith in D2 was not canon, as it was confirmed, so they just used Andariel avatar to depict Lilith! So there is no reason why shouldn't we see her in D3!
well it COULD be lilith if she was ressurected. its not 100% confirmed that the monster in cinamatic trailer was diablo (about 95% haha) and he looks totally different. is it possible lilith, apperently one of the great evils, got ressurected too?
who knows, it may be something like how diablo came about on the mortal realm. took control over someones body and warped it. mistress of pain looks like it could have been a warped mortal
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Maybe "Mistress of Pain" is just a title? Maybe it's Lilith? Maybe Duriel is still present in some form, and it's just a pre-boss to get to Duriel (or whatever it has become)? Donno really.
I can quote this yet but i think somewhere in the book Lillith was refered to as the mistress of deception, or something like that. So that cant be lillith, plus lillith was not described to look like that
I thought about that, too -- because it could be that she was duriel's mistress, and mistress=lover. However, I rejected the idea as improbable, because I think they are trying to show us that there is a hereditary connection between them by giving her the same soft abdomen, slashing appendages, and spider-like legs as Duriel has. There is no reason for a random mistress of Duriel to have such a hereditary link. Also, there is no reason for a mistress to be particularly frightening or powerful..other than the fact that since he is a demon, we might expect his lover to also be a demon. But if it was his daughter or mother, that almost implicitly implies that she is a powerful demon.
why not?
why cant the abyss spawn similar demons that are similar in looks?
why can't these similar demons have an affinity for each other?
think about it... its all possible.
now if you show affinity to a girl from your same region, with the same hair color, the same skin color, and even the same eye color.... does that mean that she has to be either your sister or mother??
....I didn't think so.
The fact that she is clearly a boss, and her "household" is the same (pain), and her physical features are the same, are all strong evidence that she has a blood relation. Obviously this doesn't make it so, but it's not possible to be completely conclusive when speculating based on scattered tidbits of information.
I love the lore and stuff of Diablo. Mistriss of Pain is not Lilith or Lucion. Im really not trying to get caught up in d3 lore...yet when it comes out i'll be all over that shit. Right now I just cant wait to pwn or get pwned by this new monsters
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The fact that she is clearly a boss, and her "household" is the same (pain), and her physical features are the same, are all strong evidence that she has a blood relation. Obviously this doesn't make it so, but it's not possible to be completely conclusive when speculating based on scattered tidbits of information.
"Pain" isn't a household it's more like a title imo. And like I said physical features isnt a good argument, not everyone with the same/close features is blood related.
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o ok, nice argument. So I guess its safe to assume that all the fallen are blood related, and all the maggots are blood related and all the oblivion knights are blood related, etc.
Speculations posted aboved. I say its not lilith. For reasons like the fact that lilith IS attractive for an demon (think she-devils, elves, succubus). If you guys actually read some background, its states that.
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Diablo = Lord of Terror
Mephisto = Lord of Hatred
Azmodan = Lord of Sin
Belial = Lord of Lies
Duriel = Lord of Pain
??? = Mistress of Pain
Andariel = Maiden of Anguish
Lilith = unofficially "Matriarch of Demons"
if there's maiden of pain... where's mistress of terror or mephisto lol.
Perhaps they just bear a similar resemblance, I don't think the "They look very similar, they must be related" argument holds a great deal of water considering Diablo, Baal and Mephisto are brothers and look nothing alike.
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Some people have speculated that the Mistress of Pain concept art may be for Lilith in D3. However Lilith was already patched into D2 using Andariel's image, and I don't think they would have done that if she were to look totally different.
Moreover, the Mistress of Pain has a very similar body style to Duriel...having a soft abdomen with many legs protruding and 2 slashing appendages in the front. None of the other prime evils have this. Also, Duriel is the Lord of Pain, so it seems obvious that the Lord of Pain and the Mistress of Pain should be related -- either his mother or daughter.
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/media/artwork.xml#39
http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/media/artwork.xml#52
All that we know is that she will appear in the game.
But I agree she is related to Duriel.
Anyway, yeah, that would make alot of sense. Though the Mistress of Pain is clearly not a lesser evil... from what I know, the only lesser evils are Andariel, Duriel, Belial and Azmodan... so she can't be ranked like Duriel, but I guess they have some other connection, maybe she somehow take his place.
I thought about that, too -- because it could be that she was duriel's mistress, and mistress=lover. However, I rejected the idea as improbable, because I think they are trying to show us that there is a hereditary connection between them by giving her the same soft abdomen, slashing appendages, and spider-like legs as Duriel has. There is no reason for a random mistress of Duriel to have such a hereditary link. Also, there is no reason for a mistress to be particularly frightening or powerful..other than the fact that since he is a demon, we might expect his lover to also be a demon. But if it was his daughter or mother, that almost implicitly implies that she is a powerful demon.
No, none of the other monsters in D1 or D2 have had similar titles except for Prime Evils or their relatives, who all have such titles.
Diablo = Lord of Terror
Mephisto = Lord of Hatred
Azmodan = Lord of Sin
Belial = Lord of Lies
Duriel = Lord of Pain
??? = Mistress of Pain
Andariel = Maiden of Anguish
Lilith = unofficially "Matriarch of Demons"
"Blood Lord, "Steel Lord", "Minotaur Lord" is completely different -- these are just regular Lords, and there can be many steel lords, whereas "Lord of X" is a title that is a euphemism means something entirely different in English, and is singular -- meaning there can only be one.
Yes, there are officially 3 prime evils and 4 lesser evils -- but that hasn't stopped them from inventing new demons who are related to those 7 prime evils. For example, Lilith was recently added as being the Mother of Andariel, daughter of Mephisto -- and brother of Lucion, also newly added. Basically, they have to create new demons to continue the storyline. Theres no reason why Duriel cant have a mother or daughter too. In fact, by saying that demons have parents, that implies that all of them -- including duriel -- have parents.
Also, there isn't necessarily 7 Prime Evils. Think about it. Hell is obviously a changing place. Demons are born and die (and sometimes resurrected), but still the fact remains that there are politics in hell...which means that the 7 prime evils at one point in time is not necessarily the 7 prime evils at a later point in time. If Duriel died, then his daughter or mother could certainly take his place and be classified as one of the new prime evils -- since this basically just means, the 7 most important demons who are trying to cause evil.
well it COULD be lilith if she was ressurected. its not 100% confirmed that the monster in cinamatic trailer was diablo (about 95% haha) and he looks totally different. is it possible lilith, apperently one of the great evils, got ressurected too?
who knows, it may be something like how diablo came about on the mortal realm. took control over someones body and warped it. mistress of pain looks like it could have been a warped mortal
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why not?
why cant the abyss spawn similar demons that are similar in looks?
why can't these similar demons have an affinity for each other?
think about it... its all possible.
now if you show affinity to a girl from your same region, with the same hair color, the same skin color, and even the same eye color.... does that mean that she has to be either your sister or mother??
....I didn't think so.
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o ok, nice argument. So I guess its safe to assume that all the fallen are blood related, and all the maggots are blood related and all the oblivion knights are blood related, etc.
if there's maiden of pain... where's mistress of terror or mephisto lol.