I've been thinking about switching up my Hatred generator for a few days now and I've started to wonder what Primary skill DiabloFans players have chosen to use.
I'm using Hungering Arrow/Puncturing Arrow right now because i don't know which rune is the most damaging or effective.
Let's get into some discussion on Hungering Arrow, Entangling Shot, Bola Shot, and Grenades. Post what skill/rune you use to generate Hatred and explain why.
Hungering with devouring probably my favourite singletarget. Spray of teeth (with sharpshooter) everywhere else. Sometimes I even go entangling with justice is served for the hatred regen and slow. Nice combo with ball lightning - not very viable singletarget though.
EDIT: Usually run around with hungering (spray of teeth) and elemental arrow (ball lightning) without switching because of Nephalem Valor. If I can switch (no buff for some reason), hungering (devouring arrow) with impale (chemical burn) on bosses.
well i want to max my damage so i just use hungering/piercing rune. But you could just use bat and mark of death and spam elemental arrow/tenticle rune. I think im doing ok. Act 4 boss 3 inferno and still going strongish.
My personal opinion is entangling with hatred regen rune. Single target it doesnt have quite as much damage as hungering... But its pretty close and slows them down without using hatred or dis. Technically if you really think about it.. Your doing more damabe than hungering because you get more shots off before they reach you.
Another thing is if there are 2 guys (90% of the time there are) it will do damage to both increasing the damage overall by more than hungering.
And regens hatred faster because of the rune... Thus getting more tenticles off faster thus better single target damage.
I see no wrong with entangling.
As far as grenades go... Threw nightmare they were cheeeeeeeep as hell I spammed the shit out of them right on top of diablo and he was just stunned the whole time couldnt move. But later difficulties are immune to stun thus I stopped using / forgot about them
Mainly I use Hungering arrow with devouring rune. It's not uncommon that I'll see it crit for well over 20k with a 400 dps bow. Granted if it doesn't pierce then the dmg is gonna be a bit lower than other options, and you can't slow without spending disc, but I usually run with a barbarian so I don't need to worry about slows too often.
As far as the grenades I have to agree with the sentiment that they are just too random do be really reliable form of damage imo.
Bola shot seems like it could be really good, but I haven't really tried it out much.
If I'm running solo I usually switch to entangling with the 2 extra slowed targets, it seems to make things a lot easier for me.
no one has mentioned evasive fire. ive been using it since late hell and have to come love it. i use the displace rune so its a 30 yrd backflip, with practice you can easily take corners with it making almost as effective as vault for alot less disc. decnt single target dmg and 4 haterd to boot.
As for grenades, if you use the rune that increases hatred generation, along with the grenadier passive, you can refill your hatred in about 2 seconds with fast enough attack speed and the bat companion. Damage is not reliable but you have an INCREDIBLE hatred generator. Try pairing with multishot or cluster to take advantage of rapid hatred regen.
I somehow seem to prefer Bola Shot with volatile explosions rune for the moment.. It's not as strong as hungering but I like the playstyle.. For damage vs trash packs I mostly use the chakram that circles out on impact instead of nether tentacles.. I use nether tentacle spam on mobs with a bigger hit box for more efficient damage distribution. I am considering using entangling shot with chain gang now I'm halfway through act 2 on inferno (Might even change to hungering arrow with devouring rune, not sure yet).
I feel it's a pretty viable build (25K health and 60K dps atm), ofcourse other builds are probably way better.. but this fits my play style.
Imo entangling shot and grenades offer the best overall utility of all the hatred generators. Evasive fire on the right build can be really solid too.
It's not that I don't think hungering arrow or bola are bad by any means. I just feel that what you lose in damage you gain in utility with the other generators.
One of the safest combos imo is entangling shot with chain gang+elemental arrow+frost arrow.
This combo does good aoe damage and slows multiple targets. Combine this with vault and you're very difficult to catch.
I'm quite fond of Hungering Arrow, the rune is usually Devouring for the extra punch on pierces. I like the very long range on it, and the fact you can hit things from around corners/out of their agro range if you're careful.
I like hungering arrow as it's almost a fire and forget.
For the hatred spender I however use impale (either with overpenetration or griveious wound). I find it very interesting for bosses or single target down an annoying elite.
I must say however that I play with a barb friend..
Imo entangling shot and grenades offer the best overall utility of all the hatred generators. Evasive fire on the right build can be really solid too.
It's not that I don't think hungering arrow or bola are bad by any means. I just feel that what you lose in damage you gain in utility with the other generators.
One of the safest combos imo is entangling shot with chain gang+elemental arrow+frost arrow.
This combo does good aoe damage and slows multiple targets. Combine this with vault and you're very difficult to catch.
Thats a great combo, but with that much slowing and snaring make sure to use the passive that enhances damage to slowed mobs by like 20%.
I love that combo, but it hurts me to think about all the damage lost, I like the mechanic of bola shot, with the lightning run to add damage, and the built in stun chance is great when I'm spamming it.
Well I now use Devouring Arrow. I like it a lot, does a lot of damage which is what I need my hatred generator to do.
I really like Hungering Arrow in general, it feels really good compared to the other primary skills. It's nice too because if you misfire there's a decent chance that it will pierce and home in on your enemies. And it's pretty easy to misfire in a really chaotic situation or when you're shooting enemies at the edge of your screen.
no one has mentioned evasive fire. ive been using it since late hell and have to come love it. i use the displace rune so its a 30 yrd backflip, with practice you can easily take corners with it making almost as effective as vault for alot less disc. decnt single target dmg and 4 haterd to boot.
I'm so glad you wrote this. I never would have thought to, but am using Evasive Fire on my low level DH now and I love it! So I can't speak to how it works in Inferno, but it is such a fun builder, even though it doesn't sit in that category. The fire speed/animation is satisfying =)
I'm using Hungering Arrow/Puncturing Arrow right now because i don't know which rune is the most damaging or effective.
Let's get into some discussion on Hungering Arrow, Entangling Shot, Bola Shot, and Grenades. Post what skill/rune you use to generate Hatred and explain why.
EDIT: Usually run around with hungering (spray of teeth) and elemental arrow (ball lightning) without switching because of Nephalem Valor. If I can switch (no buff for some reason), hungering (devouring arrow) with impale (chemical burn) on bosses.
Another thing is if there are 2 guys (90% of the time there are) it will do damage to both increasing the damage overall by more than hungering.
And regens hatred faster because of the rune... Thus getting more tenticles off faster thus better single target damage.
I see no wrong with entangling.
As far as grenades go... Threw nightmare they were cheeeeeeeep as hell I spammed the shit out of them right on top of diablo and he was just stunned the whole time couldnt move. But later difficulties are immune to stun thus I stopped using / forgot about them
As far as the grenades I have to agree with the sentiment that they are just too random do be really reliable form of damage imo.
Bola shot seems like it could be really good, but I haven't really tried it out much.
If I'm running solo I usually switch to entangling with the 2 extra slowed targets, it seems to make things a lot easier for me.
I also use Devouring, but with bat and nether I rarely use it. Mostly nether spam.
Yeah I've not gotten tentacles yet, got about 25% of a level to get to 59. Once I get 59 I'm sure it'll be my go to spender.
I feel it's a pretty viable build (25K health and 60K dps atm), ofcourse other builds are probably way better.. but this fits my play style.
It's not that I don't think hungering arrow or bola are bad by any means. I just feel that what you lose in damage you gain in utility with the other generators.
One of the safest combos imo is entangling shot with chain gang+elemental arrow+frost arrow.
This combo does good aoe damage and slows multiple targets. Combine this with vault and you're very difficult to catch.
For the hatred spender I however use impale (either with overpenetration or griveious wound). I find it very interesting for bosses or single target down an annoying elite.
I must say however that I play with a barb friend..
What do you think of that combo guys?
Thats a great combo, but with that much slowing and snaring make sure to use the passive that enhances damage to slowed mobs by like 20%.
I love that combo, but it hurts me to think about all the damage lost, I like the mechanic of bola shot, with the lightning run to add damage, and the built in stun chance is great when I'm spamming it.
I really like Hungering Arrow in general, it feels really good compared to the other primary skills. It's nice too because if you misfire there's a decent chance that it will pierce and home in on your enemies. And it's pretty easy to misfire in a really chaotic situation or when you're shooting enemies at the edge of your screen.
I can't get into entangling, bola, or grenades.
I'm so glad you wrote this. I never would have thought to, but am using Evasive Fire on my low level DH now and I love it! So I can't speak to how it works in Inferno, but it is such a fun builder, even though it doesn't sit in that category. The fire speed/animation is satisfying =)
hunger w/ devour on bosses
i <3 my devouring rune for hungering.
entangle with justice for champ packs