I always thought the WoW community was bad (at least after the first few years), but yeah, the Diablo community is even worse. Just full of whiners and haters.
I would actually go out on a limb and say that a majority of the people complaining ARE the WoW community.
Well, I don't fit that at all. I'm not complaining, and I played WoW, but, I played D1/D2 before I ever heard of WoW, too.
I don't really play WoW anymore, not because 'they ruined it' or anything, just...I've played it too much. I play Rift when I have the MMO itch, and D3 is something I've been waiting for years to see.
Many of the complainers are the people who think that every game that's not designed specifically around what they want, and any game that doesn't give them advantages because they are *just that awesome*...is wrong. Many of these same people pollute the WoW forums with QQ, too, of course, so that would fit with what you said.
As someone else pointed out, though, the *absolute worst community* I've ever dealt with is the FPS community. We see some leakage from there into D3 and into WoW, and a lot of those, are the people that expected to clear Inferno in the first week, and when they couldn't...then it was the game's fault, and it was wrong, etc.
Blizzard knows who they're aiming to please. If you're not in that demographic, you may get a bone thrown to you, and/or you may get ignored. Doesn't mean they're wrong, just means your wants aren't on their list. It's a business.
Nonsense! I love the game! I played d2 for the last 12 years and I'll still be playing Diablo 3 after MoP comes out.
I just can't wait for MoP to come out because then a bit of the complainers can shift back to WoW.
Then again people who have played the Diablo franchise for as long as its existed do complain about it aswell, unfortunately. But that's totally cool because they can, they've waited a bloody long time for it. One thing that really irritates me like fingernails on a chalkboard is the WoW players who play Diablo to kill time before MoP, not necessarily with the intention to complain as people are now, but bringing the attitude they bring from playing WoW. That's just not cricket for the rest of us who enjoy the game!
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
You also have to keep in mind that the WoW community is 13mil+ weither you still play or not, you are part of that community.
The people complaining on the forums are just that, people complaining on the forums, the forums house maybe 2-5% of the actually player base of the game, with that said a majority of the complainers on the forums use there WoW accounts to complain (Not sure why honestly) so with D3 having more then 6million players (estimated) the 50-100 threads a day of complaints are a very very very small %, and as I stated, the almost all use there WoW accounts to post (WoW community)
*Edit: I as well played WoW (no longer play) and I complain about certain aspects of the game. so I consider myself part of that community.
Not saying every WoW player is a complainer sheesh
Also this community was great before d3 came out and still is, you've just got to look at the right threads and not pay attention to the haters. The community was severely punished when the hating started.
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Also this community was great before d3 came out and still is, you've just got to look at the right threads and not pay attention to the haters. The community was severely punished when the hating started.
Sad part is, there arn't breaking any rules, so they get to stay
The reason that people "hate" on D3 so much is because D2 was such a good game lol... You can say what you want about the "community" but D3 has nothing on D2. The expectations for this game were massive, and it didn't live up to those expectations for most people.
Also, even though WoW has a lot of cheese in it that makes me dislike it, it's crazy to say it was a bad game.
However, I think a lot of people would agree with the idea that it went downhill after WotLK. Some might say everything after vanilla was bad, but really I feel like Wrath is where the game started to get bad. Then again, they really stopped adding anything major to the game at that point, and the storylines that people cared about were done.
Your argument is a logical fallacy. People having unrealistic expectations of something which then fails to meet then doesn't make it bad or a failure. It just means people are unrealistic and believe too much crap based on rumor and conjecture and anticipation of something they really want.
People have been getting screwed on unrealistic expectations all year : ME3, SW:TOR, D3...and soon GW2, TSW, and any other big name title. Because instead of basing an opinion on experience, they base it on hype and excitement, and have set themselves up for disappointment before even giving the games a chance.
Your argument is a logical fallacy. People having unrealistic expectations of something which then fails to meet then doesn't make it bad or a failure. It just means people are unrealistic and believe too much crap based on rumor and conjecture and anticipation of something they really want.
People have been getting screwed on unrealistic expectations all year : ME3, SW:TOR, D3...and soon GW2, TSW, and any other big name title. Because instead of basing an opinion on experience, they base it on hype and excitement, and have set themselves up for disappointment before even giving the games a chance.
Very well said.
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Dont even go comparing D3 to D2 because D3 has absolutely nothing on D2. D2 is a classic game that can be placed within top 10 of the best pc games of all time while D3 is a subpar game influenced heavily by one of the worst games in the history of mankind - WOW.
The whole D3 project is built around RMAH to squeeze out as much profit from it as possible. If you have at least a heap of knowledge in marketing/business strategies, you will find sense in my statements. If not, well.. keep on playing your beloved game.
Is this the kind of troll you're referring too OP?, I think it is. Just ask yourself this, why do you care and what does an angry, entitled and ill-informed bigot have over you to make you feel so uptight?
Just avoid the threads in forums that you know are just going to make your blood boil, chances are it was started by someone with a loud voice and wants everyone to hear, usually projected in a non-constructive manner filled with cut and paste whine and internet nerd terminology (by this I mean anything but proper words or at least fully formed words).
Classic examples:
- Go back too wow and level 2 85 l2p n cum bak (because someone posted on a lvl 12 belf)
- LOL U ALL MAD CUZ U SUK
- ur all kents cuz u play wow an rooin diablooo free.
I was going to ask if anyone remembered back in diablo 2 early days, say 1 or 2 patches after release, anyone remember seeing people complain about things that changed later on in later patches?
From someone who played WOW-D2 for many years. I would have to say I see how WOW influence D3 beside the AH. If you played D2, you would know people bought items all the time, it was on ebay and chinese site.
In all honesty, Look at how D2 has inspired WoW, especially with warriors (leap attack, whirlwind), as well other classic ranged attacks (Multishot, frost nova, frostbolt,firebolt)
Same argument can be made for any game, everygame in history can all be traced back to one game..Pong...best F**cking game ever!
From someone who played WOW-D2 for many years. I would have to say I see how WOW influence D3 beside the AH. If you played D2, you would know people bought items all the time, it was on ebay and chinese site.
In all honesty, Look at how D2 has inspired WoW, especially with warriors (leap attack, whirlwind), as well other classic ranged attacks (Multishot, frost nova, frostbolt,firebolt)
Same argument can be made for any game, everygame in history can all be traced back to one game..Pong...best F**cking game ever!
no..those skills existed in warcraft...no point pointing those..
wow influence at max is the boss fight.(in d3)....enrage timer for one.
Your argument is a logical fallacy. People having unrealistic expectations of something which then fails to meet then doesn't make it bad or a failure. It just means people are unrealistic and believe too much crap based on rumor and conjecture and anticipation of something they really want.
People have been getting screwed on unrealistic expectations all year : ME3, SW:TOR, D3...and soon GW2, TSW, and any other big name title. Because instead of basing an opinion on experience, they base it on hype and excitement, and have set themselves up for disappointment before even giving the games a chance.
I never said D3 was bad or a failure. I said that it's not as well liked as D2. Many people criticizing D3 have played it for at least over 100 hours. For $60, in this day and age of disposable games, that's definitely a success.
I agree people had unrealistic expectations, but the standards for Blizzard are higher than most other companies.
What's important to understand is that there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't be playing video games if Blizzard's games hadn't existed. They would've spent that time doing something else. These people don't want a 30 hour game that they throw in the trash when they're done. They expect (wrongfully I guess?) to pay $60 for a game that will be a lot of fun for years. Blizzard has consistently made games that last for years, so they've established a certain standard.
There's no way D3 has met the standards set by Blizzard's other games.
There's no logical fallacy here... The game isn't as good as it could've been. It hasn't lived up to the standards set by Blizzard as a company. It's a great game by most standards, but it's not a great game when you compare it to what Blizzard has released in the past.
The main issue in all this though is that D2 was released when games were way different. If you released D2 today obviously it wouldn't be anything close to what it was back then. Still, people expect Blizzard to have the same level of innovation today that they had back then, which is probably unrealistic.
D2 had many features which simply won't exist today. Like there's no way D3 gets released without an AH, which is something a lot of people don't like. There's no way that they'd release D3 with a single player option, etc etc. However, there's a lot of stuff they totally changed from D2 to D3 which weren't necessary. WoW probably has less features like this because it's a newer game, but there are definitely things from vanilla that were inevitably going to change that people complained about. Also, that game constantly changes anyways, so it's expected.
Just saying... this game hasn't lived up to the standards set by previous Blizzard games, even if those standards are unrealistic these days.
From someone who played WOW-D2 for many years. I would have to say I see how WOW influence D3 beside the AH. If you played D2, you would know people bought items all the time, it was on ebay and chinese site.
In all honesty, Look at how D2 has inspired WoW, especially with warriors (leap attack, whirlwind), as well other classic ranged attacks (Multishot, frost nova, frostbolt,firebolt)
Same argument can be made for any game, everygame in history can all be traced back to one game..Pong...best F**cking game ever!
no..those skills existed in warcraft...no point pointing those..
wow influence at max is the boss fight.(in d3)....enrage timer for one.
D2 was released before warcraft 3, D2 being released in 2000 and wc3 in 2002 and TFT in 2003!
They wouldn't have just pulled things from Warcraft when making WoW, a lot of it would have come from Diablo too considering Diablo is centered around your hero and not an army like wc3.
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
You have to remember that any game that has a player base of 6 million people is going to have a vocal minority that hates everything.
^^^ Yep
The loudest voice is that of the fewest.
It's not like all of us whom love this game are going to post in the forums all day long about how much we like it, opening thread after thread titled "D3 ROCKS". Too busy playing the game. I'll post here and ATTEMPT to read through the forums when I take breaks...I say "attempt" because it's a pain having to dig through all the bullshit.
Can't wait til the babies leave and move on to something else.
no..those skills existed in warcraft...no point pointing those..
wow influence at max is the boss fight.(in d3)....enrage timer for one.
D2 was released before warcraft 3, D2 being released in 2000 and wc3 in 2002 and TFT in 2003!
They wouldn't have just pulled things from Warcraft when making WoW, a lot of it would have come from Diablo too considering Diablo is centered around your hero and not an army like wc3.
Didn't WoW use the actual Diablo 1 item affixes back in vanilla? Like, "blah blah Of The Whale" would have extra Stamina?
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I always thought it was the other way around.
The people defending the game are those who only plan on playing it briefly before MoP is released.
And those criticizing it are the people who expected the greatest game ever made because they'd been playing D2 for the last 12 years.
Well sure... but you could probably get good odds on a bet that most of the people not complaining are also from the WoW community
Well, I don't fit that at all. I'm not complaining, and I played WoW, but, I played D1/D2 before I ever heard of WoW, too.
I don't really play WoW anymore, not because 'they ruined it' or anything, just...I've played it too much. I play Rift when I have the MMO itch, and D3 is something I've been waiting for years to see.
Many of the complainers are the people who think that every game that's not designed specifically around what they want, and any game that doesn't give them advantages because they are *just that awesome*...is wrong. Many of these same people pollute the WoW forums with QQ, too, of course, so that would fit with what you said.
As someone else pointed out, though, the *absolute worst community* I've ever dealt with is the FPS community. We see some leakage from there into D3 and into WoW, and a lot of those, are the people that expected to clear Inferno in the first week, and when they couldn't...then it was the game's fault, and it was wrong, etc.
Blizzard knows who they're aiming to please. If you're not in that demographic, you may get a bone thrown to you, and/or you may get ignored. Doesn't mean they're wrong, just means your wants aren't on their list. It's a business.
I just can't wait for MoP to come out because then a bit of the complainers can shift back to WoW.
Then again people who have played the Diablo franchise for as long as its existed do complain about it aswell, unfortunately. But that's totally cool because they can, they've waited a bloody long time for it. One thing that really irritates me like fingernails on a chalkboard is the WoW players who play Diablo to kill time before MoP, not necessarily with the intention to complain as people are now, but bringing the attitude they bring from playing WoW. That's just not cricket for the rest of us who enjoy the game!
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
The people complaining on the forums are just that, people complaining on the forums, the forums house maybe 2-5% of the actually player base of the game, with that said a majority of the complainers on the forums use there WoW accounts to complain (Not sure why honestly) so with D3 having more then 6million players (estimated) the 50-100 threads a day of complaints are a very very very small %, and as I stated, the almost all use there WoW accounts to post (WoW community)
*Edit: I as well played WoW (no longer play) and I complain about certain aspects of the game. so I consider myself part of that community.
Not saying every WoW player is a complainer sheesh
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Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Sad part is, there arn't breaking any rules, so they get to stay
https://www.deviantart.com/aerisot
Your argument is a logical fallacy. People having unrealistic expectations of something which then fails to meet then doesn't make it bad or a failure. It just means people are unrealistic and believe too much crap based on rumor and conjecture and anticipation of something they really want.
People have been getting screwed on unrealistic expectations all year : ME3, SW:TOR, D3...and soon GW2, TSW, and any other big name title. Because instead of basing an opinion on experience, they base it on hype and excitement, and have set themselves up for disappointment before even giving the games a chance.
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
Probably just haven't bothered to change what they're posting under, since it's the same bnet account.
Is this the kind of troll you're referring too OP?, I think it is. Just ask yourself this, why do you care and what does an angry, entitled and ill-informed bigot have over you to make you feel so uptight?
Just avoid the threads in forums that you know are just going to make your blood boil, chances are it was started by someone with a loud voice and wants everyone to hear, usually projected in a non-constructive manner filled with cut and paste whine and internet nerd terminology (by this I mean anything but proper words or at least fully formed words).
Classic examples:
- Go back too wow and level 2 85 l2p n cum bak (because someone posted on a lvl 12 belf)
- LOL U ALL MAD CUZ U SUK
- ur all kents cuz u play wow an rooin diablooo free.
In all honesty, Look at how D2 has inspired WoW, especially with warriors (leap attack, whirlwind), as well other classic ranged attacks (Multishot, frost nova, frostbolt,firebolt)
Same argument can be made for any game, everygame in history can all be traced back to one game..Pong...best F**cking game ever!
https://www.deviantart.com/aerisot
no..those skills existed in warcraft...no point pointing those..
wow influence at max is the boss fight.(in d3)....enrage timer for one.
I never said D3 was bad or a failure. I said that it's not as well liked as D2. Many people criticizing D3 have played it for at least over 100 hours. For $60, in this day and age of disposable games, that's definitely a success.
I agree people had unrealistic expectations, but the standards for Blizzard are higher than most other companies.
What's important to understand is that there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't be playing video games if Blizzard's games hadn't existed. They would've spent that time doing something else. These people don't want a 30 hour game that they throw in the trash when they're done. They expect (wrongfully I guess?) to pay $60 for a game that will be a lot of fun for years. Blizzard has consistently made games that last for years, so they've established a certain standard.
There's no way D3 has met the standards set by Blizzard's other games.
There's no logical fallacy here... The game isn't as good as it could've been. It hasn't lived up to the standards set by Blizzard as a company. It's a great game by most standards, but it's not a great game when you compare it to what Blizzard has released in the past.
The main issue in all this though is that D2 was released when games were way different. If you released D2 today obviously it wouldn't be anything close to what it was back then. Still, people expect Blizzard to have the same level of innovation today that they had back then, which is probably unrealistic.
D2 had many features which simply won't exist today. Like there's no way D3 gets released without an AH, which is something a lot of people don't like. There's no way that they'd release D3 with a single player option, etc etc. However, there's a lot of stuff they totally changed from D2 to D3 which weren't necessary. WoW probably has less features like this because it's a newer game, but there are definitely things from vanilla that were inevitably going to change that people complained about. Also, that game constantly changes anyways, so it's expected.
Just saying... this game hasn't lived up to the standards set by previous Blizzard games, even if those standards are unrealistic these days.
They wouldn't have just pulled things from Warcraft when making WoW, a lot of it would have come from Diablo too considering Diablo is centered around your hero and not an army like wc3.
Bashiok - Blizzard Representative - 08/01/2011 -"So how many skill combinations are there now? Well taking into account 6 active skills, all the rune combinations, and 3 passives we currently expect each class to have roughly 2,285,814,795,264 different build combinations."
"Hey, I thought you'd like the witty irony of grub-on-glowie violence!"
^^^ Yep
The loudest voice is that of the fewest.
It's not like all of us whom love this game are going to post in the forums all day long about how much we like it, opening thread after thread titled "D3 ROCKS". Too busy playing the game. I'll post here and ATTEMPT to read through the forums when I take breaks...I say "attempt" because it's a pain having to dig through all the bullshit.
Can't wait til the babies leave and move on to something else.
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Didn't WoW use the actual Diablo 1 item affixes back in vanilla? Like, "blah blah Of The Whale" would have extra Stamina?