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    posted a message on Tragedy and Video Game Violence. A TB video. Food for thought.
    Quote from Nekrodrac

    You find it amusing?
    Is it also amusing that there are currently no dead school kids here in the UK because somebody flipped?
    No dead movie goers or dead shoppers?
    You know what, i can definitely get used to this degree of comfort.

    So your argument is because a largely disarmed population isn't causing gun crime, a largely armed population would do the same with the onset of legislation? I know you can't be this ignorant. You realize how guns are taken away and exactly how these people react to it. What do you make of the calculus involved there? Do you think it's worth averting disasters (which have other more preeminent causes, as I articulated before) by creating more violence on a daily basis in the form of enforcing such a law?


    Quote from Nekrodrac

    You don't want to let go of your guns out of irrational fear. Simple as that.
    Comparing with the UK is completely valid because it is still human beings that are involved and history of gun ownership is utterly irrelevant.
    We need to consider the legacy for the next generation. I would rather not leave them in the climate of an imaginary power balance strugggle that you currently think exists.

    I don't have a gun, so again, your ad hominem is a wasted straw vestige of an argument. Your illogical assertion that a direct comparison to the UK (which has never seen firearm ownership - ban or not - at a fraction of what the US has maintained through the entirety of it's history) is valid does not make your point.

    Your only "struggle," for the future appears to be demanding that everyone give their uniformed bothers and sisters increasingly larger amounts of control over their daily lives. If you find this balance of power between the individual and central authority to be illusory, I invite you to wake up to the world around you.

    Quote from TheDemokin

    There is only one country in the world that has a high amount of school shootings, or any other type of shootings of innocent civilians... There is only one country in the world where they make movies, series, etc about hostage taking, shooting, and graphic murders... There is only one country in the world where you can eat McDonalds every day until you get fat like a pig, sue them ... ............ and WIN!!!!......

    Yes, yes, we get it. You hate fat Americans with their guns etc. etc. Your opinion of the entire population, not all of whom are patriotic, fat, stupid, or supportive of the crimes you mention; only shows your own bigotry.
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    posted a message on Tragedy and Video Game Violence. A TB video. Food for thought.
    Quote from Nekrodrac

    This is what paranoia reads like.

    Ad hominem isn't an argument.

    Quote from Nekrodrac

    There are some powerful magical runes here in the UK. We usually call them gun control laws. And you know what? They kinda work...
    I know, that's shocking.

    Given the divergent history of gun ownership in the UK and US, I don't think this is a valid comparison; however you are free to square that circle.

    Quote from Nekrodrac

    You are surviving without guns? My goodness...Rambo would be proud of you.

    Again, Ad hominem isn't an argument.

    I think it's quite amusing you find being restricted "for your own protection," to be so comfortable. As "gun control," is just a synonym for disarming the legally armed population to the benefit of the politically powerful (those who will always have guns) and the criminally insane (those who will always find guns).
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    posted a message on Most politically correct Christmas greeting ever
    Quite amusing.
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    posted a message on Does anyone else feel the D3 classes are boring?
    I think the WD is boring. Other class; however, seem to have quite a variety of playstyles.
    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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    posted a message on Prove to me that your God exists.
    Quote from Geniii

    Belief only leads to stagnation, questioning causes progress.

    Well put!
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    posted a message on Prove to me that your God exists.
    Quote from TwilightRealm

    So then "right" and "wrong" are subjective to each person, rather than abiding by some absolute standard. And the only things that makes someone bad is if they are violent (except in self-defense)?

    Where are you finding subjectivity in my statements? The absolute standard of universalized behavior is that initiating force against another individual cannot ever be right except in self-defense, which is only caused by a violation of the rule in the first place.

    Quote from TwilightRealm

    Would you agree that Truth is absolute? Regardless of our beliefs, biases, knowledge - Truth stands as a separate entity which is transcultural (such as 2 + 2 = 4) and unchanging. Would you agree?

    Sure, but what does truth have to do with my argument?

    Quote from Dzomlija

    Truth is not absolute. Did people not once believe it true that the Earth was the center of the universe? Or that the Sun revolved around the Earth? Or that if you sailed far enough over the oceans, you'd fall off the edge of the Earth?

    The fact that the senses are prone to error or that our empirical understanding of the world improves over time does not evidence the argument that there is no objective truth. It simply shows that seeking truth is an ongoing process.

    Quote from Dzomlija

    Some more recent examples of so-called "truths" that have been proven absolutely false are the end-of-the-world prophecies, such the millennium doomsday belief that had many people thinking the world would come to an end at midnight on 31 December 1999, or that the end of the Mayan calendar at 2012-12-21 would bring about the Apocalypse.

    I don't think any rational person today would have said that any of those things were likely, much less true.

    Quote from Bagstone

    There is no and there will never be proof, those who want to belief interpret the signs in a way to support their beliefs, those who don't believe in god will argue against it. To each his own, it would just be nice if both sides (atheists and believers) could stop attacking each other.

    Then there is no and never will be any reason to suppose that a deity exists. It would be nice if we could agree on that, being that it is the reasonable conclusion. I don't mind if someone wants to entertain a fantasy; however, the claim to truth from said fantasy obstructs cultural progress for completely arbitrary reasons.

    Quote from Dzomlija

    As long as some people believe one thing, and others believe something else, there will always be conflict of some kind.

    That is human nature.

    The only way to eliminate the conflict, is to eliminate the entire human race. It may sound a little harsh using those words, but as long as humans exist, we will attack each other over our beliefs...

    "Human nature," is something that babies are born doing. Breathing, eating, sleeping, following their parent(s) around, etc. It is entirely illogical to assume that complex social cues like bigotry are natural genetic phenomena.

    As long as toxic culture exists, conflict will exist; however, we are not powerless to influence culture for the better.
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    posted a message on Starting D3 again, what class to play?
    I like my DH. Lots of fun and not a hell of a lot of concerns about elite pack affixes due to smokescreen and great mobility.

    Very much a disappointment, my WD essentially drove me away from the game when I was short on time to begin with. I haven't touched her since I came back, although it has been a patch or two, but I assume from a little forumcraft that things are largely the same. Very efficient farming, then you don't get enough globes to keep the machine going and you die repeatedly trying to regain momentum.

    I also enjoyed my barb, monk, and wizard, but haven't done much of anything on them since 1.04 or so. So my own anecdotal evidence will be limited to the two mentioned prior.
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    posted a message on Tragedy and Video Game Violence. A TB video. Food for thought.
    Quote from Nekrodrac

    The second amendment is crucial because:


    And remember- if you are a good guy, you will be able to do this:

    So yes, let's give everybody guns and make the world a safer place.


    Also kudos to those absolute badasses who procted their students. True heroes.

    And how, my dear, do you believe the evil of guns is to be eradicated from the face of your beloved nation? Do you think legislatures will write magical runes upon the parchment of a new constitutional amendment and cast the vile concoctions of metal, plastic, and carbon fiber into the dark abyss from whence they came? Do you believe that no man, woman, or child will be beaten, shot, tortured, or jailed over increasing questions of firearm legality?

    What you ask for when you so mock anyone against gun laws, is for guns to be used by the state. Not simply against the criminals who would use their guns (legal or otherwise) against us. Not simply against those "rednecks," who currently defend their right to own such a weapon. But to be used against the body of the entire nation. Prohibition of the means of murder in the hands of private citizens is laughable when the most prevalent group of murderers on earth wear blue or green uniforms and march under the orders of the state itself.

    I will concur with you that nobody is made the safer by arbitrarily doling out guns or security guards carrying guns. However, the ignorance subsumed within the argument that the private ownership of guns is the root of all violence, or that the prohibition therein would make the world a better place... that is simply inexcusable. I don't own any guns. But I will be damned if I join the chorus of sophists convincing a frightened nation of parents and students that the answer to their problems is disarming legal gun owners and empowering the most corrupt and deadly gun owners in our society: criminals, law-enforcement, and the military.

    Quote from Ashbinder

    just to say did any one notice that this kind of things 99% of the time happen in the us and no where else

    We have the largest and most violent state in the world. This is the best atmosphere to breed psychopathy.
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    posted a message on Blizzard Math Skills are rubbish
    Quote from maka

    I love this thread. There are two sides attacking the OP, but they are also unwittingly attacking each other.
    One side says that it's normal to kill the warden 30 times at MP5 and have only 1 key drop; the other side says that the OP is lying, because they think that killing the warden 30 times at MP5 and only getting 1 key is almost impossible.

    Maybe side #1 should start attacking side #2.

    Given that only one of these arguments has empirical validity. It doesn't really matter.
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    posted a message on Demon Hunter: Tangle Pro GG build
    Looks like an amusing departure from my standard HA/EOrb spam. Kudos, i'll have to give it a spin tomorrow.
    Posted in: Demon Hunter: The Dreadlands
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    posted a message on Rate your satisfaction level with the current Diablo 3.
    It's a good game; Could be better, could be worse, and seems to be improving over time. I'd like a lot more features, but I wouldn't like to pay a subscription fee or see a more coercive market structure.
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    posted a message on Tragedy and Video Game Violence. A TB video. Food for thought.
    Historically speaking, the proliferation of guns precludes both gun control and perceived increases in gun crime (because the media hypes the shit out of anything violent, you would hardly know violent crime is down significantly since the 1970s). I don't think the variable of video games (violent or otherwise) has had a statistically significant impact on these numbers.

    It is tragic that violent crimes, especially against children, happen; however, the blame game pretty much needs to stop with the culprit and his or her immediate and/or extended family. The strongest correlation to criminality (especially violent), by an absolutely huge margin, is child abuse and neglect.

    As an aside, all but one of the mass-murders since 1950 have taken place in gun-free zones where people who are permitted to carry concealed weapons must disarm. So it's rather obvious murderers are attracted to places where guns are banned. It would be extremely difficult to argue that restricting gun carrying further would make things safer. The facts seem to indicate the opposite is true.
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    posted a message on End of the world
    Quote from Boss_Hogg

    Depending on some of the nerds you talk to on these forums, the world already did end...on May 15th.

    Well played sir, well played.
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    posted a message on AH Selling rate is low, Help?
    Quote from Pixie888

    @proletaria,

    You are right, of course but I think the discussion is a fair bit more complex..... The (subtle) point I was making is that as the player base dwindles, demand dries up and prices of the goodies I am finding is falling. Therefore it is taking a lot more time to generate in game gold compared to 3-6 weeks ago. Now, by rights, economic theory suggests that high end (BiS) item prices should also start to fall to meet the lack of gold being generated... BUT the fly in the ointment is that I think botters have seriously distorted the market place to the point that there is now a 2 tier market - the "haves" and the "have nots". Botters are generating enough gold (including great legendary drops) to be able to trade amongst themselves whilst the peeps (like me) struggle through requiring enormous hours to progress by very incremental margins! It was great to see the ban wave yesterday, lets hope it helps even the playing field, but I wonder how much damage is already done?

    I am one of those tenacious types, so I'll keep grinding my way through but the vast majority of players are not as persistent and that imho is why we are seeing a very serious drop off in player numbers....

    While the discussion can become infinitely complex, with the addition of as many market variables as you can imagine, the point was that in practice it doesn't have to be so. If you took the time to map out every possible shift in supply and demand before you placed a bid or posted an auciton, you'd quickly find yourself spending days on end agonizing over every exchange. That is a fine thing to do on the macro scale, if you want to do so, but for the player who is simply wondering how to offload their stuff for gold, there's little point in delving so deep into the morass.

    If I am to understand you correctly, your claim is that "BiS," items are rising in price while the price of nearly all other goods is falling. You view this as a failure of the market; a division into "haves and have nots," but like the socialist mantra you're echoing, it simply doesn't retain water. The demand for item X, as a best in slot item, is going to remain strong despite it's short supply becoming slightly greater over time. It trends this way because it is the effective ceiling on the asset side of the equation. Since there is no similar ceiling on the gold side, item X can freely fetch whatever people are willing to pay for it. The other items, ones with less than perfect stats, are in an almost endless supply, and it is therefor logical that their value will free-fall, especially with the expansion of the gold supply and the improvements in drop rate on the very high end. Over the long haul, regardless of player retention, the demand for better and better items is going to trend with the demand. If, as you insist, many players are priced out of a market they want to be in, then prices will fall as supply inexorably rises.

    If what you say about botters is true, that they dump huge amounts of gold and high end items into the economy, then their effect on the economy to the average consumer who does not bot is largely neutral, if not beneficial. Botters are not violating any of the laws of supply and demand, they are simply a reaction to demand out-pacing supply. If players didn't want all those high end items, then there would be not botters. Similarly, due to the presence of so many botters, their items are constantly pushing value towards equilibrium. In other words, if you are active on the market, it should please you to see so much competition. When there are so many seperate instances of orders attempting to unite supply and demand, the odds of guesstimating exactly where the two meet are much better.

    I don't know what the figures are for player retention and frankly, it doesn't matter much in my view. So long as there are more players than one, there will be a functional marketplace and that market will be governed chiefly by supply and demand. Any attempt to "level the playing field," in a meaningful sense would simply void the necessity of the market. Some people are going to input much more time and effort (and I include the risky business of botting in this arithmetic, although I do not endorse the practice) to realize their economic goals and that is always going to be the case.

    In sum, if the goal is to make the most of your game time on the AH, there's very little point in getting angry at the natural forces of the market. Understand the basics and the rest begins to make much more sense.
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    posted a message on AH Selling rate is low, Help?
    At the risk of sounding pedantic: The solution to the problem of AH items not selling is simple. Reduce your prices and items, keep moving the price down, and eventually you will find a level that matches demand. If you find that point is below the artificial gold (vendor value) floor or that the process takes up too much of your time (ex. spending three hours modifying prices to realize a net gain of 10k gold) to be economically efficient, then you simply stop listing items of that stripe.

    There's nothing inherently mysterious about the market and the basics remain constant.
    Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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