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@Karsen88
you dont know who I am, what I do for a living, or what i do or dont know. (i could explain my reasons, and talk about how smart I am or where I worked. but this is the internet, no accountability, no proof, and a plethora of misinformation. it would be just as pointless and hollow as your arguments are)
keep in mind, I dont know these things about you either.
Please do not assume things you do not have the ability to know.
you also still seem to be missing what im saying, as I have restated it twice. You seem more keen on arguing about who knows more about what then focusing on the point. I am now giving up on my quest to try and get people to go relax and have a beer and stop flaming, ranting, raging and otherwise making their own time miserable. (this is all semi off topic anyway, and should be moved to a new thread if we wished to continue on this line).
but to be on topic. Im hoping the release date for the game is mid june, so that it lines up with my birthday. June is also in Diablos game release history (Diablo 2 was late june right?) so it has a chance? I can hope. That would also put it about 3+ months out right now. and as they where saying they would give a few months, assuming thats true, then they might announce the release in this coming month-ish.
Im personally thinking something will be announced near or on the 19th. but if thats the release date? meh.
meh, you only have yourself s to blame for you frustrations. stop getting your hopes up. look forward to the game, hope it comes out soon. but dont be all upset when it doesnt come out when you think it should. regardless of what any of you say, the game will sell MILLIONS of copies. and very fast, and will most likely have a lot of people playing it for a long time. in 5 years people would read a thread like this and laugh at us.
calm down, go have a smoke or whatever you choose to do to relax, and stop flaming Blizzard corp or employees for your inability to separate fantasy (when you think it comes out) from reality (when it will actually come out).
but meh, nobody is going to actually listen to any suggestions anyone posts here. thats the nature of the internet i guess....
sooo... rant on my web brothers, rant on.
Except that legitimate damage is being done to their brand image and community relations. It has nothing to do with copies that will be sold, legit damage is being done right now and if you dont realize that then you are completely ignorant of marketing and PR as departments of business in general.
Damage would be done, no matter how fast they will throw out the game.
The peoples complaining on the internet, about how slow they are, is around 5% of the players who is going to play the game. The rest almost don't care, and can actually wait for the game to be released in silence.
Just because you see alot of peoples talk about it, doesn't mean it is everybody. You gotta remember lot of players don't even go to forums to complain.
meh, you only have yourself s to blame for you frustrations. stop getting your hopes up. look forward to the game, hope it comes out soon. but dont be all upset when it doesnt come out when you think it should. regardless of what any of you say, the game will sell MILLIONS of copies. and very fast, and will most likely have a lot of people playing it for a long time. in 5 years people would read a thread like this and laugh at us.
calm down, go have a smoke or whatever you choose to do to relax, and stop flaming Blizzard corp or employees for your inability to separate fantasy (when you think it comes out) from reality (when it will actually come out).
but meh, nobody is going to actually listen to any suggestions anyone posts here. thats the nature of the internet i guess....
sooo... rant on my web brothers, rant on.
Except that legitimate damage is being done to their brand image and community relations. It has nothing to do with copies that will be sold, legit damage is being done right now and if you dont realize that then you are completely ignorant of marketing and PR as departments of business in general.
Damage would be done, no matter how fast they will throw out the game.
The peoples complaining on the internet, about how slow they are, is around 5% of the players who is going to play the game. The rest almost don't care, and can actually wait for the game to be released in silence.
Just because you see alot of peoples talk about it, doesn't mean it is everybody. You gotta remember lot of players don't even go to forums to complain.
I would have no problem at all if the game was released in 1, 2 or 6 months. Whats bothering me is how Jay is saying "in the coming weeks" "sign of release" "counting down the days untill release date annoucement"
Still, we gets nothing at all.
If Jay just shut the fuck up and released the game in 4 months, I would be happy.
^ This
I don’t ever post rage, nor do I involve myself in these discussions but I have to defend some of the people on the negative:
Most of the resentment stems from the trail of sour cookie crumbs being dropped by Jay and the people following the game closely are being forced to pick up and ingest,
Everything he says has allusion, and it makes a lot of the community impatient.
Change the game, delay the game, its yours to do so with as you wish, But don’t freaking lead people on with “Coming weeks” and Very soon” and “9 out of 10”…
Don’t preach to me your standards of quality, the reasons why your superior methods insure us the consumer a greater product by delaying the game and then cut pvp out of the game so you can release it!!! Don’t tell me the years of hard work making it and then cutting Death throw animations, not having the Monks combat animations complete to name a few.
Don’t say anything about release, reveal your changes keep us informed but don’t prat-on about releases until you know for a fact the release date..
And don’t shove sweet warm fancies under people’s noses only to snatch them away like a greedy little fat kid with so much cake.
This is why most people are raging.. You’ll have others that are just idiotic trolls but in general, I think these are fair reasons to be upset.
hollow wolf... i NEVER post on the forums.. i actually finally linked my curse account to this website just to post this haha... i am an avid reader however and i didnt know quite exactly why i was pissed at blizzard but you nailed it.... am i still gonna play when it comes out.. of course... however i think the people at blizzard need to check themselves and stop pretending like highschool girls....
death animations tech were never added so, they couldnt have been removed =P
That's true, I guess we interpret it that way because it was included in the first gameplay video 4 years ago.
So really there hasn't been much cut from the game. I wouldn't really count runes as being cut because they are still part of the game just integrated in a different way. They're not items anymore so they don't have affixes attached to them.
The major thing that they cut were skill points and that was about 5 months ago. So I would like to know what is delaying this game till Q2 this year? They've changed the rune system already so there shouldn't be much to that anymore and they've taken PVP out for release so I can't see why release date is still not announced?
It's advertisement. If it boosts the hype, they would be stupid not to do it.
Thats not even the problem. You can have advertisements without hyping the community up over and over... "9 out of 10" "Coming weeks," either say "this is when the game is coming out or this is what we have changed" there is no need for other comments
It's advertisement. If it boosts the hype, they would be stupid not to do it.
Thats not even the problem. You can have advertisements without hyping the community up over and over... "9 out of 10" "Coming weeks," either say "this is when the game is coming out or this is what we have changed" there is no need for other comments
Then tell people to stop asking them on twitter and forums. They're just answering questions, and as vaguely as they possibly can. If nobody asked them they wouldn't make comments like that.
It's advertisement. If it boosts the hype, they would be stupid not to do it.
Thats not even the problem. You can have advertisements without hyping the community up over and over... "9 out of 10" "Coming weeks," either say "this is when the game is coming out or this is what we have changed" there is no need for other comments
Then tell people to stop asking them on twitter and forums. They're just answering questions, and as vaguely as they possibly can. If nobody asked them they wouldn't make comments like that.
If they arent smart enough to just ignore or politely dismiss those comments then what type of people are we dealing with... must i say... TROLLS!?
Then tell people to stop asking them on twitter and forums. They're just answering questions, and as vaguely as they possibly can. If nobody asked them they wouldn't make comments like that.
Was the tagging of Friday's pvp post with "Sign of Release" or using the term "days" to describe how far away from an announcment in response to a question? No? No.
Don’t say anything about release, reveal your changes keep us informed but don’t prat-on about releases until you know for a fact the release date..
Do you have any idea what's been going on? The community itself asked for any info, they tried to please us, but those *cough*...fellas still rage.
It was like:
Communtity: Please tell us, how's the work on D3 going?
Blizzard at 2008: Here it is, u can see what we've got atm.
Community: But Blizz, ffs, we wanna know, when it's gonna be ready?
Blizzard: when it's done.
Community:But when, when it's gonna be done???? We are freaking exhausted of waiting, tell us anything!!!!
Blizzard: We are not done yet, we don't know....
Community: Hey, how can you don't know? Tell us something for eff sake!!!
Blizzard: Well, atm we are aiming for the end of 2011... But nothing is set in stone.
Community at the end of 2011: FOR F*UCK SAKE!!! You lied!!! You PROMISED it will be released in 2011! I have logs! Jay, you son of a b**ch! TELL US WHEN!
Blizzard: Well, we had to push the release, coz it's not as good as we want it to be.... But it's kinda almost done, we are expecting to release in early 2012. But that's just expectations, don't get too excited guys...
Community in the mid Jan 2012: FU*K YOU BLIZZARD! It's early 2012 already, you promised you'd release the game by now! You freaking liars!!! When??? We've been waiting 10 years!!
Blizzard on Feb, 7: ohh... Soon...
Community on 7: Hm, ok.
Community on Feb, 8: SO??? When's the release date??? You said "soon"! It's already "soon"!!! Give us release!!! Give us any info!!
Blizzard: Ok, all in all, we can now give you more specific info - we are going to release in Q2.
Community: WHAT???? Q2? It's not "early" at all!!! We hate you Blizzard!!! You don't tell us anything!!!
<few weeks later>
Community in the March: SOOO? It's almost Q2!! When's the release?? How soon your "soon" is gonna be? How long do we have to wait???
Blizzard: Come on, guys, chill a bit. We are working hardest on it. We will make an anoucement about release date in few weeks.
Community in a week: What the hell is going on Blizzard? The week is passed already! When is the game gonna be in our hands? We wanna play!!!! Tell us! Now!
Blizzard: Come on guys... just wait, we can count days now...
Community in 2 days: So! Days are passed! You promised the release date! When, Blizz? Jay! Tell us, how close we are to release?
Jay: 9/10.
Community: Woah! 9/10!!!! We are in the last 10% of 5 years of development! That means release date is gonna be TOMORROW!
Community tommorow: WHAAAAAAAT!!!! Jay, i'll kill you! And your family! You are freaking liar! Where's release date?!!!! We just wanna know WHEN! Tell us anything so we can rest in peace! Oh, i'm still gonna kill you, you peace of grease!
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//And it's still in the first half of march.... Which is still Q1.... Those who rage are just childish and have no sense whatsoever.
its funny because this is just a speculation forum. the actual release date will be news on the front page. i guess people really just like reading people's guesses
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(this build was before D3 launched... looking back on it now - i had no idea what i was doing)
Dynamic Death Animations
The Talisman
Skill Points
The Mystic
As the major things that have been cut. The Death animations and talisman don't really matter much so why are people saying they've cut sooo much from the game is there anything else I've forgotton?
As for the skill points and the runes integrated into the skill system thing, I can see how that would really piss people off. The customisation now relies totally on gear as every "naked" class will be exactly the same at level 60 thanks to access to all skills and runes as well as auto stats.
My biggest gripe is now the better players will be the most lucky players, or the richest thanks to the RMAH. There's nothing stopping them from going online to see what the better skill combos are and the strategy behind using them.
You're actually contradicting yourself a little with the last 2 paragraphs. Removing runes dropping as items has removed a big part of the luck element, it's now based on personal choice (once the options are open), it may turn out that each class has a build of skills and runes that are the best, but there is still a choice there.
Aside from that as things stand it will probably be possible to go on the web and find a build, but then try doing that for any class from d2 and I guarantee you'll find something along the lines of get str to x, dex to y and then stack for HP. As for spec put as many points as you can into a, b and c and throw a few fillers where ever you like.
Having stat points potentially add depth but it didn't in d2 and they decided it wasn't doing so in d3, so they got rid of them.
As for pvp that was never going to be balanced at low levels anyway so if it's delayed for a month or 2 probably saves a lot of complaint about class x being overpowered at level 20 only for it to then be underpowered at 30, etc.
Most of the other things they've removed or delayed are fairly inconsequential to the gameplay.
Hey yeah I did contradict a bit there, what I meant was the removal of skill points was what made every character the same. I like the auto-stats but they could've made stat points work if they made them all equally important (easier said than done though).
The runes being given automatically does remove some of the luck element but at the expense of making everyone the same. The difference with the runes as items would be that players could have better affixes on the same runes and also not everyone would be using the same runes so they would build around what they find making classes much more different than others. Now you can find gear and then choose the skills that benefit from that gear.
I prefer the situation where you have to make do with what gear you find along with runes as well as having to make choices on the skill you use with skill points, rather than just with the gear on its own.
Don’t say anything about release, reveal your changes keep us informed but don’t prat-on about releases until you know for a fact the release date..
Do you have any idea what's been going on? The community itself asked for any info, they tried to please us, but those *cough*...fellas still rage.
It was like:
Communtity: Please tell us, how's the work on D3 going?
Blizzard at 2008: Here it is, u can see what we've got atm.
Community: But Blizz, ffs, we wanna know, when it's gonna be ready?
Blizzard: when it's done.
Community:But when, when it's gonna be done???? We are freaking exhausted of waiting, tell us anything!!!!
Blizzard: We are not done yet, we don't know....
Community: Hey, how can you don't know? Tell us something for eff sake!!!
Blizzard: Well, atm we are aiming for the end of 2011... But nothing is set in stone.
Community at the end of 2011: FOR F*UCK SAKE!!! You lied!!! You PROMISED it will be released in 2011! I have logs! Jay, you son of a b**ch! TELL US WHEN!
Blizzard: Well, we had to push the release, coz it's not as good as we want it to be.... But it's kinda almost done, we are expecting to release in early 2012. But that's just expectations, don't get too excited guys...
Community in the mid Jan 2012: FU*K YOU BLIZZARD! It's early 2012 already, you promised you'd release the game by now! You freaking liars!!! When??? We've been waiting 10 years!!
Blizzard on Feb, 7: ohh... Soon...
Community on 7: Hm, ok.
Community on Feb, 8: SO??? When's the release date??? You said "soon"! It's already "soon"!!! Give us release!!! Give us any info!!
Blizzard: Ok, all in all, we can now give you more specific info - we are going to release in Q2.
Community: WHAT???? Q2? It's not "early" at all!!! We hate you Blizzard!!! You don't tell us anything!!!
<few weeks later>
Community in the March: SOOO? It's almost Q2!! When's the release?? How soon your "soon" is gonna be? How long do we have to wait???
Blizzard: Come on, guys, chill a bit. We are working hardest on it. We will make an anoucement about release date in few weeks.
Community in a week: What the hell is going on Blizzard? The week is passed already! When is the game gonna be in our hands? We wanna play!!!! Tell us! Now!
Blizzard: Come on guys... just wait, we can count days now...
Community in 2 days: So! Days are passed! You promised the release date! When, Blizz? Jay! Tell us, how close we are to release?
Jay: 9/10.
Community: Woah! 9/10!!!! We are in the last 10% of 5 years of development! That means release date is gonna be TOMORROW!
Community tommorow: WHAAAAAAAT!!!! Jay, i'll kill you! And your family! You are freaking liar! Where's release date?!!!! We just wanna know WHEN! Tell us anything so we can rest in peace! Oh, i'm still gonna kill you, you peace of grease!
.....
//And it's still in the first half of march.... Which is still Q1.... Those who rage are just childish and have no sense whatsoever.
wouldnt it be hilarious if they gave a release date for MoP during the MoP event
ok i know the beta hasnt even started yet, but saying if they did give a release date
it would be so funny
but i guarntee one thing, i bet they give more info on MoP than they ever have with D3
Say what you will about WoW, but at least that dev team PRODUCES CONTENT.
Sucks for Blizzard, because if Diablo is anything short of life-changing, it's going to be somewhat of a dissapointment.
Here's my advice: We know you are making Titan, but PLEASE don't tell us anything about it (show us anything, etc) until you KNOW you can get it in our hands within 2 years.
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@Karsen88
you dont know who I am, what I do for a living, or what i do or dont know. (i could explain my reasons, and talk about how smart I am or where I worked. but this is the internet, no accountability, no proof, and a plethora of misinformation. it would be just as pointless and hollow as your arguments are)
keep in mind, I dont know these things about you either.
Please do not assume things you do not have the ability to know.
you also still seem to be missing what im saying, as I have restated it twice. You seem more keen on arguing about who knows more about what then focusing on the point. I am now giving up on my quest to try and get people to go relax and have a beer and stop flaming, ranting, raging and otherwise making their own time miserable. (this is all semi off topic anyway, and should be moved to a new thread if we wished to continue on this line).
but to be on topic. Im hoping the release date for the game is mid june, so that it lines up with my birthday. June is also in Diablos game release history (Diablo 2 was late june right?) so it has a chance? I can hope. That would also put it about 3+ months out right now. and as they where saying they would give a few months, assuming thats true, then they might announce the release in this coming month-ish.
Im personally thinking something will be announced near or on the 19th. but if thats the release date? meh.
hollow wolf... i NEVER post on the forums.. i actually finally linked my curse account to this website just to post this haha... i am an avid reader however and i didnt know quite exactly why i was pissed at blizzard but you nailed it.... am i still gonna play when it comes out.. of course... however i think the people at blizzard need to check themselves and stop pretending like highschool girls....
hehe ok man w/e
That's true, I guess we interpret it that way because it was included in the first gameplay video 4 years ago.
So really there hasn't been much cut from the game. I wouldn't really count runes as being cut because they are still part of the game just integrated in a different way. They're not items anymore so they don't have affixes attached to them.
The major thing that they cut were skill points and that was about 5 months ago. So I would like to know what is delaying this game till Q2 this year? They've changed the rune system already so there shouldn't be much to that anymore and they've taken PVP out for release so I can't see why release date is still not announced?
Then tell people to stop asking them on twitter and forums. They're just answering questions, and as vaguely as they possibly can. If nobody asked them they wouldn't make comments like that.
If they arent smart enough to just ignore or politely dismiss those comments then what type of people are we dealing with... must i say... TROLLS!?
Was the tagging of Friday's pvp post with "Sign of Release" or using the term "days" to describe how far away from an announcment in response to a question? No? No.
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lmfao
It was like:
Communtity: Please tell us, how's the work on D3 going?
Blizzard at 2008: Here it is, u can see what we've got atm.
Community: But Blizz, ffs, we wanna know, when it's gonna be ready?
Blizzard: when it's done.
Community:But when, when it's gonna be done???? We are freaking exhausted of waiting, tell us anything!!!!
Blizzard: We are not done yet, we don't know....
Community: Hey, how can you don't know? Tell us something for eff sake!!!
Blizzard: Well, atm we are aiming for the end of 2011... But nothing is set in stone.
Community at the end of 2011: FOR F*UCK SAKE!!! You lied!!! You PROMISED it will be released in 2011! I have logs! Jay, you son of a b**ch! TELL US WHEN!
Blizzard: Well, we had to push the release, coz it's not as good as we want it to be.... But it's kinda almost done, we are expecting to release in early 2012. But that's just expectations, don't get too excited guys...
Community in the mid Jan 2012: FU*K YOU BLIZZARD! It's early 2012 already, you promised you'd release the game by now! You freaking liars!!! When??? We've been waiting 10 years!!
Blizzard on Feb, 7: ohh... Soon...
Community on 7: Hm, ok.
Community on Feb, 8: SO??? When's the release date??? You said "soon"! It's already "soon"!!! Give us release!!! Give us any info!!
Blizzard: Ok, all in all, we can now give you more specific info - we are going to release in Q2.
Community: WHAT???? Q2? It's not "early" at all!!! We hate you Blizzard!!! You don't tell us anything!!!
<few weeks later>
Community in the March: SOOO? It's almost Q2!! When's the release?? How soon your "soon" is gonna be? How long do we have to wait???
Blizzard: Come on, guys, chill a bit. We are working hardest on it. We will make an anoucement about release date in few weeks.
Community in a week: What the hell is going on Blizzard? The week is passed already! When is the game gonna be in our hands? We wanna play!!!! Tell us! Now!
Blizzard: Come on guys... just wait, we can count days now...
Community in 2 days: So! Days are passed! You promised the release date! When, Blizz? Jay! Tell us, how close we are to release?
Jay: 9/10.
Community: Woah! 9/10!!!! We are in the last 10% of 5 years of development! That means release date is gonna be TOMORROW!
Community tommorow: WHAAAAAAAT!!!! Jay, i'll kill you! And your family! You are freaking liar! Where's release date?!!!! We just wanna know WHEN! Tell us anything so we can rest in peace! Oh, i'm still gonna kill you, you peace of grease!
.....
//And it's still in the first half of march.... Which is still Q1.... Those who rage are just childish and have no sense whatsoever.
TL;DR: nevermind
thats a lot of people better at staying out of the argument then I am.
also, over 400 guests reading this thread, really?
92 members, 420 guests, 3 anonymous users
now.... ITS RISING OMFG
its funny because this is just a speculation forum. the actual release date will be news on the front page. i guess people really just like reading people's guesses
Hey yeah I did contradict a bit there, what I meant was the removal of skill points was what made every character the same. I like the auto-stats but they could've made stat points work if they made them all equally important (easier said than done though).
The runes being given automatically does remove some of the luck element but at the expense of making everyone the same. The difference with the runes as items would be that players could have better affixes on the same runes and also not everyone would be using the same runes so they would build around what they find making classes much more different than others. Now you can find gear and then choose the skills that benefit from that gear.
I prefer the situation where you have to make do with what gear you find along with runes as well as having to make choices on the skill you use with skill points, rather than just with the gear on its own.
lmao u win a prize for that
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Late may..
happy i logged in to enjoy the ranting and even contributed!
so who is thinking may is looking better for release than april now?
Say what you will about WoW, but at least that dev team PRODUCES CONTENT.
Sucks for Blizzard, because if Diablo is anything short of life-changing, it's going to be somewhat of a dissapointment.
Here's my advice: We know you are making Titan, but PLEASE don't tell us anything about it (show us anything, etc) until you KNOW you can get it in our hands within 2 years.