no idea what people are complaining about, stop stacking pure int gear and get some vit . . . my wizard is level 30 and is at 7k HP with 877 dps and pick up diamond skin / frost nova
I have to agree. Wizards are underpowered compared to the melee classes. Monk and Barbarian have both damage and survivability all in one. Wizards...get kiting? lol
I have to agree - the last two bosses on normal were a pain.
Couldn't solo the last one at lvl31 no matter what I did - I was geared completely toward dps and barely made a dent, if I'd have geared more towards protection I'd still be running around trying to chip away 1 hp at a time.
A friend of mine joined in with a lvl24 monk and he could tank it without issue.
The best spell to keep me alive I found was mirror image btw
I was in the exact same situation, wiped 4 times on the last boss in normal and I was level 31 as well (30 the first wipe, then grinded to 31 to no avail). Eventually I had to change builds from a pure DPS build to making almost everything defense oriented, then I killed him on my first try with the new build.
On the other hand, that shouldn't be how the game has to be played... I use a good build and have absolutely zero problem killing mobs, wether in group or in single target, but when it came to some of the bosses I had an incredibly hard time because of how squishy my character is. So yes, Wizards are too squishy, being that they put out the exact same, or slightly less, damage out put than other classes.
Playing through normal, the wizard was fine. I died maybe a handful of times total, but 3 of them being on the last boss. I haven't gotten too far in nightmare yet (near end of act 1), but so far I'm seeing more need for vitality, and not much else has changed (in terms of playstyle) and I'm doing fine.
The problem of the wizard is that her Surv. is cooldown based. She also has too many spells that require her to be stationary, in a game where elites are lightning fast and hit like trucks.
If you try a build with Arcane Orb / Magic Missile or Sphere and 4 defensive other spells you'll have very little issues.
Otherwise, if you try to be creative and use disintegrate, ray of frost, arcane torrent or any other gimmicks you will get your ass handed to you unless you overgear the mobs.
Truth, which was my fear from day one with wiz, was there will be only a few viable builds once you hit the higher difficulties, hell and inferno. But actually even in nightmare and normal I always need to re-skill before bosses to Arcane orb, spheres, and 4 defensive abilities. Typically, frost nova, force, an armour and teleport. Otherwise you are toast!
IMHO wizard mechanics are broken, spells that force you to stand still are the most aggravating skills vs anything other then normal mobs. Wizard needs to be on the move constantly, and spells that are forcing you to stay stationary are not doing enough DPS to warrant the risk of using them. Look at orb, highest damage and leaves you mobile. So of course every single player will eventually use it. Really disappointed with wizard atm, I mean I love it, but hate it at the same time.
I played through normal without any problem with my wiz
I only died once to some suicide bombers teleport mobs
I started playing 4 men in NM with my friends, and I could wander alone killing everything without any problem
some mobs have a lot more HP, but kiting is not really a problem
I use Glass canon, magic weapon and familiar, diamond skin, nova/illusions, electrocute and desintegrate/arcane orb
I currently have 3k8 HP for 1124 damage at lvl 34
Everything dies before it gets to me
My fav build by far. I can kill diablo NM and ignore his mechanics completely. I literally stand on top of him and dps him down cause diamond armor and nova are instantly reset by my crits. Wut lightning breath? Nova interrupts that if you wait for him to start casting it. If you try to nova him before cast starts he just recasts it. My clone did more damage to me than diablo does..
Hell mode has been laughable except when you get those stupid affix combos like plagued/vampiric/anything, waller or jailor/arcane enchanted/anything and mortar/knockback/anything. These basically shut this build down.
I told you guys wizard dps would suck. Especially at low levels till you get proper +Crit% and +AP on crit gear.
But that stuff doesn't work with channeled spells. They don't crit.
They don't? You sure, that doesn't sound right. Even if we assume its true, that just means no one will use them end game.
It doesnt mean that no one will use them end game. It just means YOU wont use them because YOU think crit-centric build is the only way to go. What YOU think is not everyone's mentality.
The problem of the wizard is that her Surv. is cooldown based. She also has too many spells that require her to be stationary, in a game where elites are lightning fast and hit like trucks.
If you try a build with Arcane Orb / Magic Missile or Sphere and 4 defensive other spells you'll have very little issues.
Otherwise, if you try to be creative and use disintegrate, ray of frost, arcane torrent or any other gimmicks you will get your ass handed to you unless you overgear the mobs.
I'm sure on Normal and Nightmare any build will work if used correctly. I'm currently in the A2 Nightmare, running with the super offensive Desintegrate-based build (http://us.battle.net...XgjS!YXb!aZaZaZ) - no problems so far. With 1600+ damage self-buffed (lvl 28-33 gear) and +20% damage in the warped time bubble everything gets melted down faster than I start taking any damage. I only died twice in NM so far and only because I got reckless.
I'm only lvl 14 on my wizard in normal atm, but I have every class at 14-15 and once I hit like lvl 12 I started steam rollin mobs harder than any of my other classes mainly because of the frost nova+diamond skin combo. That's 9 seconds of practical invulnerability.
I'm using arcane orb, frost nova, diamond skin, ice armor and electrocute now and pretty much can't be touched lol.
Honestly every class feels very powerful to me if you know how to use the skills well.
I have to say frost nova with the shatter rune so far is amazing. You can keep entire groups of mobs frozen for like 6 seconds np. It might not be as good in the higher difficulties when stuff doesn't die as fast, but atm it's awesome.
The problem of the wizard is that her Surv. is cooldown based. She also has too many spells that require her to be stationary, in a game where elites are lightning fast and hit like trucks.
If you try a build with Arcane Orb / Magic Missile or Sphere and 4 defensive other spells you'll have very little issues.
Otherwise, if you try to be creative and use disintegrate, ray of frost, arcane torrent or any other gimmicks you will get your ass handed to you unless you overgear the mobs.
Truth, which was my fear from day one with wiz, was there will be only a few viable builds once you hit the higher difficulties, hell and inferno. But actually even in nightmare and normal I always need to re-skill before bosses to Arcane orb, spheres, and 4 defensive abilities. Typically, frost nova, force, an armour and teleport. Otherwise you are toast!
IMHO wizard mechanics are broken, spells that force you to stand still are the most aggravating skills vs anything other then normal mobs. Wizard needs to be on the move constantly, and spells that are forcing you to stay stationary are not doing enough DPS to warrant the risk of using them. Look at orb, highest damage and leaves you mobile. So of course every single player will eventually use it. Really disappointed with wizard atm, I mean I love it, but hate it at the same time.
You are correct. for all those people making comments about normal mode, im in Act 2 of HELL. and it sucks. even with a lot of int, my damage is still that of 1/4 of the DH who is 4 levels higher (given the 4 lvls help), and my hpp was at 9k and the DH at lvl 57 was at 18k. hmmm. i regeared and gemmed and all my gear is in the re. lvl 40+ or so, and i still cant get my stats that high. They are borken at the moment, and nothing I do gear-wise or skill-wise improves this.
Learn how to play Diablo 3 before you go insulting the Wizard class.
Everybody wants to bitch about WD, DH, or wizard. Nobody bitches about Barb or Monk- because they can tank.
these people obviously don't know how to play the class they have selected.
I couldn't have said it any better than you. My wizard is a glass cannon. I have him set up for all ranged, and I own face if I can stay at range, but if I get completely surrounded without diamond skin on. . .yeah, I'm dead. That's where skill comes into play. Its all about kiting. My wizard is my main and currently only level 29 doing 321 dps, so I will admit I don't know if I really know what I'm doing yet, but its working on normal mode :3.
Frost nova with reduction in cd
Diamond skin with double effectiveness
Imbue weapon 15% damage 2% knockback
Energy armor with 5% crit
Shock pulse with piercing
Blizzard with 20% chance to freeze
You are correct. for all those people making comments about normal mode, im in Act 2 of HELL. and it sucks. even with a lot of int, my damage is still that of 1/4 of the DH who is 4 levels higher (given the 4 lvls help), and my hpp was at 9k and the DH at lvl 57 was at 18k. hmmm. i regeared and gemmed and all my gear is in the re. lvl 40+ or so, and i still cant get my stats that high. They are borken at the moment, and nothing I do gear-wise or skill-wise improves this.
So, basically, you think that wizard class is weak based on your particular (probably poorly itemized) character is weaker than your friend's particular char of the other class? I'm sorry, but where's logic in that?
Wizard class is NOT weak, but some wizards are.
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They don't? You sure, that doesn't sound right. Even if we assume its true, that just means no one will use them end game.
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I was in the exact same situation, wiped 4 times on the last boss in normal and I was level 31 as well (30 the first wipe, then grinded to 31 to no avail). Eventually I had to change builds from a pure DPS build to making almost everything defense oriented, then I killed him on my first try with the new build.
On the other hand, that shouldn't be how the game has to be played... I use a good build and have absolutely zero problem killing mobs, wether in group or in single target, but when it came to some of the bosses I had an incredibly hard time because of how squishy my character is. So yes, Wizards are too squishy, being that they put out the exact same, or slightly less, damage out put than other classes.
Truth, which was my fear from day one with wiz, was there will be only a few viable builds once you hit the higher difficulties, hell and inferno. But actually even in nightmare and normal I always need to re-skill before bosses to Arcane orb, spheres, and 4 defensive abilities. Typically, frost nova, force, an armour and teleport. Otherwise you are toast!
IMHO wizard mechanics are broken, spells that force you to stand still are the most aggravating skills vs anything other then normal mobs. Wizard needs to be on the move constantly, and spells that are forcing you to stay stationary are not doing enough DPS to warrant the risk of using them. Look at orb, highest damage and leaves you mobile. So of course every single player will eventually use it. Really disappointed with wizard atm, I mean I love it, but hate it at the same time.
I only died once to some suicide bombers teleport mobs
I started playing 4 men in NM with my friends, and I could wander alone killing everything without any problem
some mobs have a lot more HP, but kiting is not really a problem
I use Glass canon, magic weapon and familiar, diamond skin, nova/illusions, electrocute and desintegrate/arcane orb
I currently have 3k8 HP for 1124 damage at lvl 34
Everything dies before it gets to me
I'm criting all day long with Rapid Fire...
My fav build by far. I can kill diablo NM and ignore his mechanics completely. I literally stand on top of him and dps him down cause diamond armor and nova are instantly reset by my crits. Wut lightning breath? Nova interrupts that if you wait for him to start casting it. If you try to nova him before cast starts he just recasts it. My clone did more damage to me than diablo does..
Hell mode has been laughable except when you get those stupid affix combos like plagued/vampiric/anything, waller or jailor/arcane enchanted/anything and mortar/knockback/anything. These basically shut this build down.
Until I can play other classes in NM and hell I'm not in a position to say whether or not wiz is underpowered.
My only strong complaint so far is that electrocute seems to not work or work badly with the prodigy passive :/
It doesnt mean that no one will use them end game. It just means YOU wont use them because YOU think crit-centric build is the only way to go. What YOU think is not everyone's mentality.
I'm using arcane orb, frost nova, diamond skin, ice armor and electrocute now and pretty much can't be touched lol.
Honestly every class feels very powerful to me if you know how to use the skills well.
I have to say frost nova with the shatter rune so far is amazing. You can keep entire groups of mobs frozen for like 6 seconds np. It might not be as good in the higher difficulties when stuff doesn't die as fast, but atm it's awesome.
You are correct. for all those people making comments about normal mode, im in Act 2 of HELL. and it sucks. even with a lot of int, my damage is still that of 1/4 of the DH who is 4 levels higher (given the 4 lvls help), and my hpp was at 9k and the DH at lvl 57 was at 18k. hmmm. i regeared and gemmed and all my gear is in the re. lvl 40+ or so, and i still cant get my stats that high. They are borken at the moment, and nothing I do gear-wise or skill-wise improves this.
I couldn't have said it any better than you. My wizard is a glass cannon. I have him set up for all ranged, and I own face if I can stay at range, but if I get completely surrounded without diamond skin on. . .yeah, I'm dead. That's where skill comes into play. Its all about kiting. My wizard is my main and currently only level 29 doing 321 dps, so I will admit I don't know if I really know what I'm doing yet, but its working on normal mode :3.
My wizard is build like a truck, and tanks better then my friends barb, (at least on NM... Hell is another story)
20k health, 3.1k damage, 3.6k armor, 68 res (before armor modifiers)
Frost nova with reduction in cd
Diamond skin with double effectiveness
Imbue weapon 15% damage 2% knockback
Energy armor with 5% crit
Shock pulse with piercing
Blizzard with 20% chance to freeze
Passive are galvinized ward, Blur and evocation.
Wizard class is NOT weak, but some wizards are.