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How about this: I've farmed plenty of keys and killed plenty of uber bosses... but I've never killed them on Torment 6, nor am I geared enough to. If I saved up those keys and joined this guy's group, I'd be killing them on Torment 6, which I am not capable of doing on my own.

He'd be helping me kill them on the highest difficulty and, in return, he gets another shot at Uber drops. That's called "mutual benefit." Just because you and your friends wouldn't benefit from this arrangement doesn't mean that there aren't thousands of other players who would benefit from it.

If you can kill stuff on Torment 6 then do so and let other people who have less gear/skill enjoy this guy's service. It's not leeching. Get a clue.

All that I'm getting out of your post is that you're an entitled whiner who can't consider things from other people's perspectives. You might want to fix that before you chime in, next time.

edit: P.S. I perfectly understood everything you tried to explain to me. I know how RiF works and I know that the most demanding aspect of Uber bosses is farming the keys. This is all very obvious and you must have a hugely over-inflated opinion of your own intelligence if you think I need it explained to me.

P.S.S. I also understand that the concept of team-work doesn't apply to solo-players. I tend to play solo, but I would happily join a group if it meant that I could be killing Torment 6 ubers instead of Torment 3-4. It's not leeching if we're both receiving benefit. But, go ahead, keep telling everyone how they're getting screwed over -- we're clearly not smart enough to decide that for ourselves.

People talk about this all the time…but there is one aspect that is rarely talked about...

We must be looking at different threads, because that one aspect is pretty much all anyone ever asks about

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do you also open portals (ref. to "free" in thread title) or just leech on naive users ?

Excuse me? You do realize that he's offering people Torment 6 clears of Uber bosses, right? The vast majority of players can't even kill T4-T5 Uber bosses and these guys are doing T6. Even if they did require people to provide infernal machines, how exactly would that be "leeching"?

Do you not understand how services work? They provide you something, often in exchange for something else. In this case, players aren't paying anything more than they would have to pay to do it solo, so there is no loss to the people taking advantage of this service.

To suggest that they're "leeching" off "naive" players shows that you're the naive one. This service is 100% positive, so don't ask backhanded questions like that.

(and, no, I haven't taken advantage of their service. I'm not sitting here championing them because it benefits me. I'm doing so because that question was incredibly rude.)

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I see where you confusion comes from, its worded really terribly, when you have a follower at max level you already have access to all thier skills, so how does this relic give you even more access to the skill set then what you already have?

What it should really say is "Enables all follower skills" cause thats what it really does it lets your follower use every skill they haver rather then you speccing them.

It's worded perfectly fine as it is. If someone can't infer that it's referring to follower skills, then they should probably stop playing video games and go back to middle school.

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it was confirmed by some blue that chances rise for all legs, also cache-only by the Torment scaling

what you said is invalid until you link us the source.

It helps to read the whole thread... or, at least the next post... which is where the source was posted.

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I did 3000 bounties and got 3 rings...one was a trifactor yay >,<:facepalmsmile:

1994 bounties and probably 10 rings

Changing an item before it hits live, in this manner, does not constitute a nerf. Not every item is intended for every class.

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Unreal, people... who cares if items are rendered useless after the gift is implemented... its designed to make a shitty item with no socket useful... you're using your current weapon now, right? Who cares if you already rolled a different stat? In 2 months after the patch hits its not gonna matter. New items drop every day. *wait for it* work for a better weapon, what's the problem? You wanna know a solution to this? Save weapons that roll well minus a socket, and has a stat you can roll to whatever you want. There are no 'problems' with this item. You people need to wake up and stop complaining about having to work to get things.

What makes you think nobody worked to get the weapons they currently have? *wait for it* Maybe that's why people are upset the weapon they worked for will be rendered useless.

I'm getting reaaaally sick of arguments like this.


Here's a piece of advice: If you don't want your items to be "rendered useless" (aka, slightly less useful than other items but still as useful as it was before the patch), then maybe you shouldn't play an online game that is regularly updated with improved items and functionality.


OMG: My hammer jammers are USELESS because the new version has a better secondary. OMG: My thunderfury is USELESS because it came with a socket and I already enchanted another stat. OMG: I can still use all of my items and they're just as useful as they were pre-patch, how USELESS!

Seriously, don't play online games if you want everything in-game to stay the same forever. If you're going to play Diablo 3, accept that new items will arrive, old items will be improved, and AWESOME CHANGES like Ramalandi's Gift might make newer weapons better than the weapons you already have. Understand, please, that adding an item that improves weapons does not make your current weapon useless. It works for you right now, right? Well, guess what: It's still going to work in 2.1.

This community is turning into a bunch of whiny bitches who can't even accept good changes, changes that we specifically asked for, without complaining about it. In fact, if you're going to complain about Ramalandi's Gift, which, by the way, is Blizzard giving us exactly what we asked for,like, literally, word-for-word, then maybe you don't deserve to be playing games like this.


"Blizzard, we want an item that adds a socket to our weapons." "Okay, here you go!" "WTF, Blizz? Now all my old weapons SUCK!" Just stop fucking posting if that's how it's going to be.

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maybe, but since i can faceroll T6, i kind of find it wasted to run normal bounties .. for such a low chance. better run less T6 in same amount of time and drop twice as much

A lot of people will tell you that Torment difficulties only increase your chance of getting regular legendaries, not cache only legendaries. If that's true (and I haven't seen any actual evidence supporting or denying it), then you're actually lowering your chances by running the higher difficulty because you're getting less caches-per-hour.

The Junger Method is bullshit. It relies on the "legendary pity timer." What no one bothers to mention, however, is that this timer doesn't kick in until you've gone 6+ hours in-combat without a legendary drop.

In other words, everyone who has ever tried the Junger Method has done so incorrectly, because I guaran-fucking-tee you that none of you assholes have gone 6 hours in-combat without a legendary drop. Indeed, the only way to actually do that would be to afk farm a mob that you can't actually kill and that can't kill you. Even then, I imagine that the game would have something preventing the timer from kicking in while fighting one group of mobs for an extended period of time.



OP: Anyone who has gotten an RoRG with the Junger Method would've gotten that RoRG anyway -- the Junger Method had nothing to do with it. You can argue with me all you want, but that only shows that you don't understand the fundamentals behind how this so-called method is supposed to work. Remember: If the Junger Method actually worked, it would require you to go 6+ hours without a legendary drop. You never waited that long and neither has anyone else. It doesn't work.

Honestly, I think there's got to be some kind of language barrier going on here, because it's pretty obvious that the OP has it backwards. Oh well, I'm out.

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Add-ons and 3rd party software are COMPLETELY different since 1 is built into the game and runs with the games interface. AKA your damage meters. and another does things for you AKA BOTS And other 3rd party software.

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Third-party means it's made by someone else. All addons in Blizzard games are, you guessed it, made by someone else. Therefore, addons are third-party software. If you want to argue semantics like this, you should probably know what you're talking about first.



Seriously, you have no clue what you're talking about here. Also, go ahead and keep complaining about multiboxing, but it's not going to change anything. If someone is willing to spend the money for 2+ accounts, they have every right to play them at the same time. Clicking a mouse and having all of your characters click the mouse is not automation -- you're still clicking your mouse.

In fact, I'm going to point out that this EULA/TOS change probably means that Blizzard is going to start banning cheaters when Seasons arrive. The whole point of differentiating "third party user interfaces" from botting and cheats is so that people will know that botting will get you banned, but not damage meters. Make sense?

TL;DR: This is the opposite of what you're expecting -- it means that they're going to start banning people.

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You do realize that they already could choose who to punish and who not to punish, right? This TOS change means absolutely nothing.

Also, I'm willing to bet that you don't know a single person that has been banned for cheating since RoS went live. You damn sure don't know "100s" of them. No one has been banned for putting something on their keyboard to keep them from going afk.

Finally, "third party interfaces" does not refer to bots. It does not refer to cheating. It refers, if anything, to community-made damage meter addons. It's a nice way of saying, "we won't ban you for doing something that no one in their right mind would consider cheating."

So, basically, you're complaining because Blizzard might be alright with damage meters. Good job.

This is the internet you can either believe me or check for yourself.I wont be able to change your point of view just offering information to those that just scroll down and don't read the TOS/EULA since its now actually written for them to allow any cheaters they want to allow.

Thanks for your input though

Edit #1: Which if they allow whatever cheaters they want to allow then you can be assured that they will allow botters that pay them off to bot 1000s if not more bots without bans. GG

Oh, I read it just fine. Unlike you, however, I understand what it said. I also did a pretty good job of explaining it in my first post, but you do not appear to have read it, so I'll state it again:



"third party user interfaces"

What does that mean to you? It sounds like you interpret it as botting. It's not botting. Have you ever played WoW? Heard of recount? Recount is a damage addon that uses, you guessed it, a "third party user interface." It does not automate gameplay. It does not provide you with an advantage. IT IS NOT CHEATING.

Also, botters paying them off? What, does Blizzard have a store for botters to buy protection? Do they take checks? Use some common sense.

You do realize that they already could choose who to punish and who not to punish, right? This TOS change means absolutely nothing.

Also, I'm willing to bet that you don't know a single person that has been banned for cheating since RoS went live. You damn sure don't know "100s" of them. No one has been banned for putting something on their keyboard to keep them from going afk.

Finally, "third party user interfaces" does not refer to bots. It does not refer to cheating. It refers, if anything, to community-made damage meter addons. It's a nice way of saying, "we won't ban you for doing something that no one in their right mind would consider cheating."

So, basically, you're complaining because Blizzard might be alright with damage meters. Good job. Maybe work on those critical-thinking skills before you post another bunch of bullshit like this?