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Seriously, if you want to power level, buy super-cheap items on the AH (which will generally be much better than what you can find) every few levels (every 10-20 levels at lower levels, every 5-10 levels at the 40+ area). Don't spend more than 5k on an item. Maybe 10k max at level 40+. If you find good ones, items with +exp in addition to main stat and vitality is all you need.

At low levels buy socketed items (especially weapon(s)) - Flawless square gems are super-cheap and are extremely powerful for low levels. At higher levels buy a level 60 weapon with reduced level requirements. If you really want to breeze through those higher levels, you can make an exception and spend up to 50k on a weapon that will get you to 60, though one for 10-20k can work just fine.

Save the rest of your gold, and sell all items when you're done with them. Don't level jeweler or blacksmith. You should have ~700k gold when you reach 60, which should be more than enough to buy gear that is good enough to beat inferno and even start farming act 3 at MP0 so you can get some more paragon levels and loot to sell so that you can buy better and better items.

My #1 tip for you is not to solo ubers. Simply because in a group you only use 1/4 a machine per portal on average (assuming fair sharing), while in solo each portal requires you to farm an entire machine by yourself.

If I had no other options, I'd rather group with 3 other noobs (each contributing his fair share of machiens) in MP3 than solo MP8, assuming I can do both. Of course, it would be much more optimal to have the noobs bring the machines and killing ubers for them, or (to a slightly lesser degree) just grouping with similarly-powered players to run higher MP.

Basically more resistance/armor, loh, life steal is the only way. If you have enough damage to steal (with just the ls, ignoring the loh) more than they deal, more damage obviously helps too.

I've noticed some packs with reflect damage seem to reflect much more than others, even on the same monster power level.

Also, a lot of times while you may still heal by attacking reflect packs, due to reflect you will heal a lot less than you normally would and thus their other abilities would be more difficult to mitigate and you'd actually have to try avoid them more than you normally do (aka stay out of molten/arcane/etc).

What use does this spec has for ubers? I mean, the main skill here is just not use-able. Rend is nice but you can do a lot more damage if rend is not your only fury spender. For example sprint/whirlwind variant that has rend (where warcry used to be in 1.0.4), or even HotA builds that mix in rend. Bash/rend combo is simply not something I'd call optimal or even good for an ubers killing spec.

If you take more than twice as long to clear MP10 than I take to clear MP0 then you're wasting your time doing MP10 (and wasting your gold on getting the gear to do it). Of course, the OP must know that already and made the video just for the coolness factor, but the rest seem to not realize it...

And no. MP9 would still not be worthwhile. Even not compared to MP0, and especially not compared to some kind of low-ish MP level. HP of monsters simply scale way too fast while the MF and XP just don't scale fast enough. It's about time people realized that...

If your build gets more loot/hour in low MP than it does in high MP, though, and a sprint/whirlwind barb gets more loot/hour than you at low MP, then a sprint/whirlwind barb gets more loot/hour than you. It doesn't matter how fast you can kill stuff in MP10 if you can't get more loot/hour in MP10 than other builds can get at any MP level. In the end, loot/hour (measured by its gold/euro/dollar value), xp/hour and hellfire rings/hour are the only real measurements for effectiveness, and you're not going to maximize any of them at MP10 no matter what build you use because monster HP is simply too high there.

Only thing that comes close is hellfire ring farming efficiency because the drop rates on keys and parts scale so differently than XP and loot do, and even then you'll need a LOT of DPS for anything above MP8 to be worth considering.

Doing MP10 right now is nothing more than something to do to earn coolness points on youtube. Not that those don't have any value, monetizing your video can get you some euros/dollars too not just loot sold on RMAH, but you get the idea

For efficiency you should never go below MP3 unless you can't survive MP3. And if you really care enough about keys, make sure you survive MP3, even at the cost of DPS, as if you can survive MP0 already then making yourself able to survive MP3 will make you lose very little DPS. Once you don't die, MP3 always gives more keys/hour than MP0 regardless of your DPS (assuming you use the same DPS for both MP0 and MP3). If you have really bad gear and can only survive MP2 and your DPS is so low you take a long time to kill stuff in MP2, then you won't lose much going to MP2 from MP3, but then again the survivability requirements of MP2 are very similar to those of MP3 (since monster damage scales so little with MP levels).

TLDR: At least get yourself the gear to survive MP3 and farm keys there if you actually care about keys.

These builds are definitely amusing. However unfortunately they are never going to match sprint's farming efficiency simply because movement speed is much more important than damage dealing, and besides, sprint deals a lot of damage too if not more (assuming equal level/budget of gear).

Even just having to stop in order to attack is enough to make a build inferior.

Maybe if they made high monster power pay off rather than be a waste of time for farming, then these super-high-damage builds would make more sense. But since the bonuses for high MP are useless, you are bound to farm lower MP levels where you faceroll everything even if your DPS is 400k, and at those MP levels movement speed is much much more important.

Sorry to ruin the part, and no disrespect to the OP, as after all this is a cool variation that's funny to see from time to time, but if people want to be efficient they really shouldn't be trying to do this.

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if u time ur bids to expire on weekends during peak hours you"ll get the most bang for your buck

While it is a good idea to make sure your auctions end during a weekend evening during peak hours, during those hours you could get even more by simply setting a proper buyout. Just like more people are bidding, more people are buying items out and thus you are more likely to have someone willing to pay the price you list the item for.

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I think I usually have a pretty good idea after doing some ah searching for similar items what an item in the 10-100 mil range will sell for. I typically place the starting bid at what I expect people are willing to pay, and buyout 10-20 mil higher. When the auction expires, I will lower both starting bid and buyout by a few mil. For example, I will place something for 60m, 80m buyout, and when it expires, I will place it for 50m, 70m buyout.

Strange enough, very often the item will sell for buyout the second time I place it in the AH, even though the buyout is still higher than the starting bid from the first posting, where it returned unsold. I blame people willing to overpay if they can get the item immediately.

This is empirical demonstration of what I'm trying to say. You can simply get more by buyout than with bids. Keep in mind that re-listing the item often so it always shows as 1d11h/1d12h increases the chance for it to sell even further. I usually just slowly lower the buyout price every time the item is no longer 1d11, and by how much depends on how much I'm wiling to wait for it to sell (cheaper items waste too much of my time so I lower their prices faster).

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yea i haven't sold anything for almost 2 days now. Only way im ever selling decent items is by cutting the price by at least 30%

I thought I explained why that happens. You're not cutting the price by 30%, you're simply comparing your prices to stuff that are overpriced by more than 30%.

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What's efficient in your opinion? Basically oneshotting everything so you can spend 90% of the playtime travelling?

Efficient is very well defined for me: To be efficient in MP3 you need to get more exp/hour in MP3 than you would get with the same gear in MP0~2. Simple as that. Generally, that requires oneshotting everything so you spend 90% of the playtime travelling, yes, as otherwise you're simply better off at lower MP level. You're not going to do that without at least 100mil in gear.

There is less demand for bid items than buyout items, period. Therefore, you can get more for an item if you set a proper buyout than if you let people bid on them.

Of course, if you still insist on letting people bid on your item, at least list it Friday or Saturday noon so that it ends Saturday or Sunday evening/night. But really, you can just get so much more for an item if you just play with the buyout until it sells due to the higher demand for items that you can just buy now.

Price estimation is tough business. To save time, people would generally over-price their items, and as they don't sell they would lower the prices more and more until the item sells (or if they're stupid, might just leave it at the high price). Once an item is listed for a low enough price, it sells pretty fast.

Sure if you don't know the price you could just let people bid on it, but due to 36 hour auctions and general laziness and desire for instant gratification, most people don't engage in the bidding scene, and thus items that sell via bidding sell for lower prices than they could have been sold for with a proper buyout price. This, combined with the fact you can just try different buyout prices until the item sells, makes people not want to list items for bids as they want to get the most gold out of their items.

Since bid-able items are not common and items with proper buyouts disappear quickly, you end up seeing mostly items with both minimum bid and buyout prices much higher than what anyone in the world is willing to pay. It's not the economy that is messed up, it's just that those are the items that stay on the AH for you to see.

A good fix from Blizzard is to make bidding more user-friendly, so people don't have to play with the buyout price to sell their item for good value. This would be hard to do, though, as 2 hour auctions may hurt the seller twice - Once for losing competition due to less people seeing the item, and twice due to people not willing to wait 1-2 hours to see if they won the item. Therefore I'm not even sure there is a solution.

In any case, the only way for you, as a player, to deal with this: Either constantly scour the AH for good deals that just got listed (time-consuming but potentially extremely profitable), or just do 1 search every 24-36 hours for items that have a low enough current bid that are worth bidding on, and then wait for the last 5 seconds to place your bid on them. With bidding you will at most pay 5% more than what another person was already willing to pay, rather than an overpriced buyout price that absolutely nobody is willing to pay (as if someone was willing to pay it, the item would have sold and you would not have even seen it in your search).


If you have a problem selling, rather than buying, then still, understanding the above will help you understand why what you think is a good price to list your items at is actually overpriced.

Nobody can farm MP3 efficiently with <1 mil gold or even 10 mil gold. You may be able to clear it with ease, sure, but you're not being efficient with the kind of DPS you can get with that budget. Heck, for experience, even 100mil won't make you efficient in MP3 (with any class, even a barb). But anyway, that's more to do with how people don't understand the inefficiency of playing higher MP rather than actual class balance. In all cases barb will always come out on top no matter how you look at it.

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You mean those Chinese guys with 100 accounts with bots running 24/7? They look legit if planned carefully, and yes thats being done if thousands of dollars is at stake.

No, not bots. Bots "just" farm gold and have no reason to convert it into gems.

Accounts asking for restoration may be a way to duplicate items if you're doing it on a small scale. But once it becomes large-scale, I find it outrageous that Blizzard isn't catching on to it and become more strict regarding restoration requests and actually taking a look at what items they are restoring and how long that account has been active before it got "hacked".