You're supposed to use that BS to maintain equipment comparable for your level. Once you're in NM, you should also have significant gem upgrades which can make a world of difference as well for socketed weapons at that difficulty bracket.
Yep, that is theoretically correct. Of course, in practice, completely incorrect. You hit a wall in, say, Hell. What do you do?
1. Grind for hours/days/weeks to get better gear so that you can progress.
2. Spend a bunch of gold on the BS in hopes that one piece rolls well.
3. Go to the AH and spend 10k on an OP weapon. Proceed to annihilate everything in your path until you hit inferno.
#3 is the obvious choice, and #3 is what 99% of people will chose. So, in practice, that is the design, regardless of the developer's original intent. What you're "supposed to do" is irrelevant. Why would anyone waste time/gold when I have a sure-fire route to success via the AH?
I am in almost total agreement with you Big.
The BS provides ALL upgrades throughout hell difficulty. People see the option of using the AH, and they see better items on AH than they get via BS and they assume those are what they need. Hell difficulty can be played through completely off the BS. I have done it on most of my 60's while selling good drops for other classes on the AH.
Loot in this game is RNG. Eventually you will hit a soft cap on your gear where upgrades drop so rarely that they seem to never drop. Whether Bliz ups the quality of drops or not people will still bitch and complain about this. It is a lose lose situation. That being said, the item quality of drops in D2 were even shittier than in D3. How often in D2 did you get a rare drop? I mean seriously? 90% of the loot that dropped in D2 was blue. In my expansive time playing D2 I dropped more legendaries than useful rares. Every person I know or have played with will say the same thing in a heartbeat so long as they aren't wearing their rose tinted nostalgia glasses.
The only reason loot seems to be worse in D3 than in D2 is because D3's difficulty is infinitely higher than it was in D2. D2 was a game created for autistic blind monkeys when compared to D3. D3 having such a higher difficulty means that loot and gear actually matters. In D2 you could clear all of normal, nightmare, and a majority of hell "EASILY" while wearing the immortal Kings set. Immortal kings in D2 was a pre lvl 20 set. That speaks volumes about how terribly different D2 and D3 difficulty is.
Unfortunately some people are not intelligent enough to understand this and instead will make crybaby posts on unofficial forums.
Also, your comment about "supposed to do" hits the nail on the head. OP talks about "supposed to" or "should be able to" or whatever other nonsensical bullshit he has been spouting. Fact is that I did not receive a rulebook with the game telling me how I was supposed to do anything in the game. Retarded assumptions and ignorance IMO.
I am pretty sure this isn't Diablo 1 or 2. So how exactly does it makes sense that you should not have to do these things in Diablo 3 when it isn't the same game? People really need to remove their heads from their asses and realize THIS IS NOT A D2 CLONE.
So faithful fans who have bought, played, loved, the Diablo series for 14 years shouldn't expect game-play consistency between games is what you are saying? Really now?
You do realize that it was the faithful fans who made each subsequent game even possible. Lose your base of fans and kiss your game goodbye. Why do you think people eagerly anticipate the next version of the game they came to love?
You don't see similar gameplay from D1 and 2? Really? That's a joke right? I mean, you have a wife and kid so you can't possibly be that stupid to realize the basic gameplay is pretty much the EXACT same. The difference you are crying like a 12 year old girl about is the difficulty. You know why you could power through D1 and D2 using only shit that dropped for you? Because those games were tuned to the skill levels of 6 year olds. D1 and D2 were fun, I admit it, I spent about 8 years playing them, but as far as difficulty goes, it was completely and totally non existent. You could play through them only using your drops because the games were faceroll easy. Guess what kiddo, D3 isn't faceroll easy. Now what you are wearing and the skill choices you are making ACTUALLY MATTER. How exactly did you get a woman to have your child when you haven't got a shred of common sense in your head?
Diablo 3 is the 3rd game in the franchise. The team that worked on D3 is compeltely different from the team that worked on D2. That being said I think they did an ingenius job of updating an obviously out of date game. Unfortunately people like you are so stuck on the past all you can do is piss and moan about the differences to the point where you don't focus on the awesome updates.
-No more skill tree, you can now learn difference skills anytime you want, no more rerolling because you made a bad talent choice in your tree
-No more having to get people to help you swap items to different toons thanks to the shared stash that is also drastically increased in size
-No more having to find sneaky places to drop items in game to xfer them to other toons when no one was around to help you
-No more haunted trade channels for hours on end trying to find an item you want
-No more having to make "all4SoJ" games to get sojs because thats all anyone used as trade currency
-No more getting fucked over by trade scams
-No more getting stabbed in the back by scumbag in public games who bounce to town, flag, and kill you
-Updated graphics
-Destructible environment
-Nephalim Valor buff
But I am sure all of that is complete shit because poor you had to go to the AH to find an upgrade. Something that would not be a problem if you were actually good at the game. Also something that would not be an issue if you had the brains to sell good items you weren't using on the AH as well.
But whatever, keep acting like a manchild crying on unofficial forums about how you don't like a video game because its not the exact same as its prequel (rollseyes).
Also, I am a faithful fan that has played every Diablo game beginning to end on every difficulty. I ran an ebay store using D2 items, made more than 5k dollars doing it. As a faithful fan to the series I think Diablo 3 fixed everything that was shit about Diablo 1 and 2. But I guess my opinion as a faithful Diablo fan doesn't matter because it differs from yours and well, you can obviously cry louder than me.
Writing a long post on a game you spent a chunk of change on and put effort into and was disappointed with is fair play. Writing a long post to insult someone for expressing their views on that game just to posture yourself is childish.
What's it to you if I like or dislike the game that you need be asshole about it? I've never written a post that downs someone for their opinion on something they put effort or money into. You will not find one post from me that goes around telling people they are idiots for loving D3. The content of your post isn't worth replying to. Food for thought.
BTW I looked at my D3 receipt for the $320, add on a game guide and some D3 t-shirts. I spent $320 on D3, you're an ass for even questioning me on it.
Hmm, my reply went poof, I guess I didn't hit submit! So here we go again!
I am an ass for questioning you? You said you spent 320 dollars on THE GAME. Sorry buddy, but shirts and a guide (which you have obviously not used AT ALL) is not 'THE GAME". And why would you wast money on a "guide" for a book that went out of date as of the first patch, especially when you have this magical thing called the internet and "google".
As to the rest of your drivel, I really don't care what you say about me. You made a QQ post based on D3 not being a D2 clone. You lost any and all credibility right there as well as any modicum of respect you may have had as a complete stranger posting on the interwebz. If you have such a problem with it, uninstall it, oh wait, you're still playing it aren't you? So lets QQ on the interwebs about D3 but continue to play it like all the other QQers. You don't even make a single intelligent argument and when people try to talk to you you shoot them down as if your opinion is the only thing that matters then bitch at me about doing the same? Hypocrisy at its finest, though I am not at all surprised TBH.
As to writing a long post to insult you, if you took it as an insult you should grow thicker skin. The simple fact is that you can't handle the extremely mild difficulty increase between normal and nightmare. I would love to be a fly on the wall if you ever manage to get to hell, let alone inferno.
I am sorry that Blizzard decided to update the Diablo franchise and bring it up to par with the difficulty current gamers want. Although the only rewason I am sorry is because it has added your voice to the many QQers crying on these forums about it.
Don't you guys know the more money you pay for that piece of paper, the more you know, and the more you will make?! It works exactly like that. No exceptions.
If only.
Tell that to the masses of people with college education who are out of work.
I also remember reading some interesting statistics about the average GPS shooting way up over the years. This wasn't the exact source but it looks about right compared to what I remember.
It was basically just illustrating the fact that the percentage is much much higher than in the past.
So then you have to ask yourself, are people REALLY getting that much smarter, or are the grades being inflated in order to draw in more "customers" basically.
I think those grades are fairly accurate actually. I do think the average GPA of college students is rising. In this economy over the past 10 years with the inflating prices of college education the people that are able to go to college take it more seriously and want to pass. In the past when prices were down people cared less about doing well.
College is expensive, even community college. Money is short and everyone knows it, even teenagers who aren't footing the bill. People are just taking it more seriously because of this. Just my opinion though.
Why does this bother you so much you feel the need to post it on unofficial forums? Are you banned from the official forums or something? That is where you should be posting about botters if you think they are botting, not here.
And who cares of a bot gets PL100 first? It doesn't effect you and eventually if it is a bot it will get banned.
Before anyone tells me I need to go to the auction house to buy better swag, or to build my character a special way, or play in a group setting understand I didn’t really need to do that in Diablo or Diablo 2.
I am pretty sure this isn't Diablo 1 or 2. So how exactly does it makes sense that you should not have to do these things in Diablo 3 when it isn't the same game? People really need to remove their heads from their asses and realize THIS IS NOT A D2 CLONE.
So I just hopped into into an act 2 group game and dropped Frostburn gauntlets. Complete shit IMO but some moron gave me 150k for it. But, the very next pack dropped:
The Wailing Host (ring)
+153 dex
+22% crit damage
+4.5% crit
+4% damage to elites
170 life per second
1 socket
Not only did I drop a fairly top end set item, but it was a MASSIVE upgrade for me.
Next dungeon I dropped a amulet that was also an upgrade for myself, added 10k DPS compared to my old one. YaY for massive dex and +51% crit damage.
I'll probably play a bit more tonight. I don't have any real MF (I think one of my pieces may have some MF by coincidence) and not uber geared. However, the lack of finding any item of significance is making it harder and harder for me to continue the grind. I want to find an orange item already! *cry*
You don't have any real MF and you are complaining about not getting any legendary or set drops? Really?
Just an idea but I think it's time to put a stop to outrageous pricing on the gold AH. It's just out of hand. I've seen new legendary items up for 2 Billion gold. First of all, that won't sell because nobody that plays the game in a legit fashion could afford it. Second of all, the person that can afford it most likely doesn't need it. EPEEN is no excuse.
The average player may go to the auction house after saving up gold and buy a new weapon for 10-15 Million because it increases DPS by 2000 or add a good amount of LoH but listing a weapon for 100 Million + just because it has a socket and 40% crit dmg is ridiculous. The gap between good items and great items is way too large.
I propose that we should come together and start listing items at lower prices as a whole to bring the market down. I personally have already cleared Inferno on my Monk and leveled all 5 classes to 60 so I'm not in any rush to buy many upgrades but I know that there are a lot of people out there that need upgrades to clear inferno.
Also since I list my items at much lower prices, they sell super fast and I make a good deal of gold anyway. I know that if more people lower their prices to a reasonable level I will make less gold per item that I sell but in turn the items I buy will be less expensive so I won't need as much gold. I also know that Gems aren't going to come down since they are expensive to make but every other item should.
Lets all get together and bring the prices down!!!
/yawn
I dropped 10 mil on a 1150 DPS 45% windforce. I see no problems with that.
You are raging like a child over a video game and pricing that is obviously not realistic. Yeah, I see the 2 billions and the 1 billions, and the even the 500 millions. Yeah, they aren't going to sell, why cry about it? What is your crying going to do other than to make other people come here crying about it and add yet another crybaby thread to these boards. Something these boards really don't need.
Economics 101. Nothing is worth more than the buyer is willing to pay. People listing shit that high are either using the AH as extra bank space, something I have done in the past, or they are stupid enough to really think it will sell. In the long run, if they are listing it to sell it they will eventually have to drop their price to a point where someone will buy it. Coming on unofficial forums QQing because you can't afford something is not going to change a thing. Its a waiting game. Within the next 3-4 weeks you will see the prices on the new legendaries drop, this is guaranteed. The longer you wait, the lower the prices will get, this is as true in D3 as it is in the real world and has been happening since release when 1k DPS blue weapons were selling for 50mil on the AH.
There is nothing wrong with dropping 10m on a weapon. 10-15m for something like that is reasonable. What I am saying is that people listing things for 100m is ruining the AH economy. I added more to my post based on some replies that explains this a little better. Sorry if there was some confusion.
You obviously didn't read past my first line. GG kid.
Nightmare and all of Hell until you hit A4 are a complete joke as far as skill level required. My 12 year old nephew cleared hell completely and hit 60 in A4 Hell. I call bullshit, you are lying sir.
Right, I'm just a scared defenseless little girl who needs to be protected from the D3 monsters. Your 12 year old nephew who has nothing but time in his hands to play games 24/7
If you read my comments above you will see I never played Diablo to be the uber-king-of defeating Diablo in all the difficulty levels, that's not why I play computer games. I started playing Diablo when it first came out in the late 90's, so I'm no spring chicken to it.
Oh yes, my 12 year old nephew sits around and plays D3 24/7. Do you enjoy talking out your ass about stuff you know nothing about?
I don't care if you aren't out to kill Diablo in every mode. You are stating you cant even manage nightmare, and as the other poster said, it is in fact easier than normal because by the time you finish Normal you are higher level than you need to be for A1 and 2.
D3 isn't D2. You can't blindly faceroll yourself from beginning to end with no need at all for player skill. In D3 you actually need to be careful and not just plunge face first into the middle of a hundred mobs and kill them all in 2 attacks, although people are slowly becoming able to do exactly that. I am really sorry you cannot manage a game that has a slightly higher difficulty than D2, but don't post shit like that if you don't wanna get jumped on, it's just straight up sad.
5 stack your NV in A1 and just walk through wholesale slaughtering the place and you will get tons of rares and tons of exp at once. And if you did that as a A1 farming run, ever, you have no idea what an A1 farming route is.
As i write on the top i did act 3 run (with 5 stacks) and did get 1 mil for 20 mins / 12 mins in that dungeon 700k xp. do the math please.
Yeah, 700k in blah blah blah blah blah blah. You also said you were in a group with other people, where monster health is ridiculously high and shit doesn't die as fast as playing solo. You are also getting shit for gold, and shit for loot. Not sure whats so hard to understand here. Farming for EXP, fine, w/e, kill your measily one thing ever 50 seconds (taking into account the time to drop game, remake game, and remaking games where the dungeon isn't there). I will farm act 1 and 2, make slightly less exp than you, and make millions upon millions upon millions of gold on drops. Sorry, your method is a disgustingly huge waste of time and I really hope no one takes it seriously.
I have 4 heros level 60 that Finished all the Content.
All Quests all acts all Bosses and stuff, i have been farming act 3 a ton of times before the patch didn't get anything to sell for even 200k .
I have more than 15k Elit Kills 0 Legendary Pick ups / 0 Set Pick Ups, for 1 Act 3 run i gain less than 7 lvl 63 items (same goes for lvl 62-61).
And in the end of a freaking almost 2 hours act 3 run i don't get any item any gold and just some XP ...
If a single word of that is true I would be shocked and amazed. How on earth would you get the gear required on 4 seperate 60s to kill Inferno Diablo without ever dropping a single item worth more than 200? Without ever dropping a single legendary or set item? You wouldn't unless of course you are the MOST SKILLED PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF ARPGs which is obviously not the case.
Just an idea but I think it's time to put a stop to outrageous pricing on the gold AH. It's just out of hand. I've seen new legendary items up for 2 Billion gold. First of all, that won't sell because nobody that plays the game in a legit fashion could afford it. Second of all, the person that can afford it most likely doesn't need it. EPEEN is no excuse.
The average player may go to the auction house after saving up gold and buy a new weapon for 10-15 Million because it increases DPS by 2000 or add a good amount of LoH but listing a weapon for 100 Million + just because it has a socket and 40% crit dmg is ridiculous. The gap between good items and great items is way too large.
I propose that we should come together and start listing items at lower prices as a whole to bring the market down. I personally have already cleared Inferno on my Monk and leveled all 5 classes to 60 so I'm not in any rush to buy many upgrades but I know that there are a lot of people out there that need upgrades to clear inferno.
Also since I list my items at much lower prices, they sell super fast and I make a good deal of gold anyway. I know that if more people lower their prices to a reasonable level I will make less gold per item that I sell but in turn the items I buy will be less expensive so I won't need as much gold. I also know that Gems aren't going to come down since they are expensive to make but every other item should.
Lets all get together and bring the prices down!!!
/yawn
I dropped 10 mil on a 1150 DPS 45% windforce. I see no problems with that.
You are raging like a child over a video game and pricing that is obviously not realistic. Yeah, I see the 2 billions and the 1 billions, and the even the 500 millions. Yeah, they aren't going to sell, why cry about it? What is your crying going to do other than to make other people come here crying about it and add yet another crybaby thread to these boards. Something these boards really don't need.
Economics 101. Nothing is worth more than the buyer is willing to pay. People listing shit that high are either using the AH as extra bank space, something I have done in the past, or they are stupid enough to really think it will sell. In the long run, if they are listing it to sell it they will eventually have to drop their price to a point where someone will buy it. Coming on unofficial forums QQing because you can't afford something is not going to change a thing. Its a waiting game. Within the next 3-4 weeks you will see the prices on the new legendaries drop, this is guaranteed. The longer you wait, the lower the prices will get, this is as true in D3 as it is in the real world and has been happening since release when 1k DPS blue weapons were selling for 50mil on the AH.
5 stack your NV in A1 and just walk through wholesale slaughtering the place and you will get tons of rares and tons of exp at once. And if you did that as a A1 farming run, ever, you have no idea what an A1 farming route is.
I've been playing normal mode most every day for an hour or two, I have not bothered with nightmare mode because the 3 or 4 times I've played it, I have not liked how the glowing mini-bosses you come across in each map are significantly more powerful than the regular enemies you fight.
One minute you are fighting at one pace, the next you are changing tactics entirely to compensate for the drastic change in difficulty, that's not fun to me, it's aggravating.
Uh..... what?
Nightmare and all of Hell until you hit A4 are a complete joke as far as skill level required. My 12 year old nephew cleared hell completely and hit 60 in A4 Hell. I call bullshit, you are lying sir.
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I am in almost total agreement with you Big.
The BS provides ALL upgrades throughout hell difficulty. People see the option of using the AH, and they see better items on AH than they get via BS and they assume those are what they need. Hell difficulty can be played through completely off the BS. I have done it on most of my 60's while selling good drops for other classes on the AH.
Loot in this game is RNG. Eventually you will hit a soft cap on your gear where upgrades drop so rarely that they seem to never drop. Whether Bliz ups the quality of drops or not people will still bitch and complain about this. It is a lose lose situation. That being said, the item quality of drops in D2 were even shittier than in D3. How often in D2 did you get a rare drop? I mean seriously? 90% of the loot that dropped in D2 was blue. In my expansive time playing D2 I dropped more legendaries than useful rares. Every person I know or have played with will say the same thing in a heartbeat so long as they aren't wearing their rose tinted nostalgia glasses.
The only reason loot seems to be worse in D3 than in D2 is because D3's difficulty is infinitely higher than it was in D2. D2 was a game created for autistic blind monkeys when compared to D3. D3 having such a higher difficulty means that loot and gear actually matters. In D2 you could clear all of normal, nightmare, and a majority of hell "EASILY" while wearing the immortal Kings set. Immortal kings in D2 was a pre lvl 20 set. That speaks volumes about how terribly different D2 and D3 difficulty is.
Unfortunately some people are not intelligent enough to understand this and instead will make crybaby posts on unofficial forums.
Also, your comment about "supposed to do" hits the nail on the head. OP talks about "supposed to" or "should be able to" or whatever other nonsensical bullshit he has been spouting. Fact is that I did not receive a rulebook with the game telling me how I was supposed to do anything in the game. Retarded assumptions and ignorance IMO.
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Hmm, my reply went poof, I guess I didn't hit submit! So here we go again!
I am an ass for questioning you? You said you spent 320 dollars on THE GAME. Sorry buddy, but shirts and a guide (which you have obviously not used AT ALL) is not 'THE GAME". And why would you wast money on a "guide" for a book that went out of date as of the first patch, especially when you have this magical thing called the internet and "google".
As to the rest of your drivel, I really don't care what you say about me. You made a QQ post based on D3 not being a D2 clone. You lost any and all credibility right there as well as any modicum of respect you may have had as a complete stranger posting on the interwebz. If you have such a problem with it, uninstall it, oh wait, you're still playing it aren't you? So lets QQ on the interwebs about D3 but continue to play it like all the other QQers. You don't even make a single intelligent argument and when people try to talk to you you shoot them down as if your opinion is the only thing that matters then bitch at me about doing the same? Hypocrisy at its finest, though I am not at all surprised TBH.
As to writing a long post to insult you, if you took it as an insult you should grow thicker skin. The simple fact is that you can't handle the extremely mild difficulty increase between normal and nightmare. I would love to be a fly on the wall if you ever manage to get to hell, let alone inferno.
I am sorry that Blizzard decided to update the Diablo franchise and bring it up to par with the difficulty current gamers want. Although the only rewason I am sorry is because it has added your voice to the many QQers crying on these forums about it.
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I think those grades are fairly accurate actually. I do think the average GPA of college students is rising. In this economy over the past 10 years with the inflating prices of college education the people that are able to go to college take it more seriously and want to pass. In the past when prices were down people cared less about doing well.
College is expensive, even community college. Money is short and everyone knows it, even teenagers who aren't footing the bill. People are just taking it more seriously because of this. Just my opinion though.
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And who cares of a bot gets PL100 first? It doesn't effect you and eventually if it is a bot it will get banned.
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How exactly does that total up to 320 dollars?
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I am pretty sure this isn't Diablo 1 or 2. So how exactly does it makes sense that you should not have to do these things in Diablo 3 when it isn't the same game? People really need to remove their heads from their asses and realize THIS IS NOT A D2 CLONE.
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The Wailing Host (ring)
+153 dex
+22% crit damage
+4.5% crit
+4% damage to elites
170 life per second
1 socket
Not only did I drop a fairly top end set item, but it was a MASSIVE upgrade for me.
Next dungeon I dropped a amulet that was also an upgrade for myself, added 10k DPS compared to my old one. YaY for massive dex and +51% crit damage.
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You don't have any real MF and you are complaining about not getting any legendary or set drops? Really?
PLvl 8 is only 24 MF.....
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You obviously didn't read past my first line. GG kid.
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Oh yes, my 12 year old nephew sits around and plays D3 24/7. Do you enjoy talking out your ass about stuff you know nothing about?
I don't care if you aren't out to kill Diablo in every mode. You are stating you cant even manage nightmare, and as the other poster said, it is in fact easier than normal because by the time you finish Normal you are higher level than you need to be for A1 and 2.
D3 isn't D2. You can't blindly faceroll yourself from beginning to end with no need at all for player skill. In D3 you actually need to be careful and not just plunge face first into the middle of a hundred mobs and kill them all in 2 attacks, although people are slowly becoming able to do exactly that. I am really sorry you cannot manage a game that has a slightly higher difficulty than D2, but don't post shit like that if you don't wanna get jumped on, it's just straight up sad.
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Yeah, 700k in blah blah blah blah blah blah. You also said you were in a group with other people, where monster health is ridiculously high and shit doesn't die as fast as playing solo. You are also getting shit for gold, and shit for loot. Not sure whats so hard to understand here. Farming for EXP, fine, w/e, kill your measily one thing ever 50 seconds (taking into account the time to drop game, remake game, and remaking games where the dungeon isn't there). I will farm act 1 and 2, make slightly less exp than you, and make millions upon millions upon millions of gold on drops. Sorry, your method is a disgustingly huge waste of time and I really hope no one takes it seriously.
If a single word of that is true I would be shocked and amazed. How on earth would you get the gear required on 4 seperate 60s to kill Inferno Diablo without ever dropping a single item worth more than 200? Without ever dropping a single legendary or set item? You wouldn't unless of course you are the MOST SKILLED PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF ARPGs which is obviously not the case.
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/yawn
I dropped 10 mil on a 1150 DPS 45% windforce. I see no problems with that.
You are raging like a child over a video game and pricing that is obviously not realistic. Yeah, I see the 2 billions and the 1 billions, and the even the 500 millions. Yeah, they aren't going to sell, why cry about it? What is your crying going to do other than to make other people come here crying about it and add yet another crybaby thread to these boards. Something these boards really don't need.
Economics 101. Nothing is worth more than the buyer is willing to pay. People listing shit that high are either using the AH as extra bank space, something I have done in the past, or they are stupid enough to really think it will sell. In the long run, if they are listing it to sell it they will eventually have to drop their price to a point where someone will buy it. Coming on unofficial forums QQing because you can't afford something is not going to change a thing. Its a waiting game. Within the next 3-4 weeks you will see the prices on the new legendaries drop, this is guaranteed. The longer you wait, the lower the prices will get, this is as true in D3 as it is in the real world and has been happening since release when 1k DPS blue weapons were selling for 50mil on the AH.
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5 stack your NV in A1 and just walk through wholesale slaughtering the place and you will get tons of rares and tons of exp at once. And if you did that as a A1 farming run, ever, you have no idea what an A1 farming route is.
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Uh..... what?
Nightmare and all of Hell until you hit A4 are a complete joke as far as skill level required. My 12 year old nephew cleared hell completely and hit 60 in A4 Hell. I call bullshit, you are lying sir.
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That is the best thing I have ever fucking seen. Just epic.