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Its actually kind of fascinating.

While I constantly seem to get demoralized and even sad from all this doom and gloom and hate, I also find it interesting that they are so emotionally invested. People who quit the game months ago still go to forums to complain about upcoming changes, they just can't stop thinking about the game. It's not rare to see "Oh my god, this change is so stupid, but I don't care because I quit the game a year ago. Man, Blizzard really sucks.". Hypocritical at its best, since they obviously care so much about the game to stay on a forum dedicated to said game for a year or more, simply to announce how good they are for not playing the game anymore.

It's also unavoidable to see posts and videos about Torchlight 2 where people don't talk about how much they despise Diablo 3 and how it ruined their lives and how much better Torchlight 2 has to be. I can't imagine what will happen to them when Torchlight 2 doesn't turn out to be the Messiah they want it to be.

Torchlight 2 will surely be immensely popular due to player-designed mods like in Skyrim, but this is also equal to Runic Games basically saying "We know we can't design the perfect game for you, so we let you do it yourselves.". And they are correct in this indirect statement. No studio can make a perfect game for everyone, especially not for these types of gamers who want everything to be their way.

Want to get un-demoralized?

Run with a good group of people, and have fun!

Makes a surprising difference. (Many from this very forum are great.)

Also, for pure laughs, find a "hater" who has proclaimed they have "quit" on the D3 offical forums, and look at their Battletag name and #, then send them a friend request in game.

Always funny to see "PlayerXXX#123 was last logged in 1 hour ago...... (9/10 times this happens, and I laugh every time ;p)

Its a Blizzard game, the exact same thing has happened to D3 as what happened to SC2 and WoW, all the man babies flock to the forums, and group together to concoct an alternate reality.

They then proclaim hilarious things such as "the game is dieing!" and "Blizz joo suxors". And they continue to do this for YEARS on end, lacking any sort of life. (while still in fact, playing the game they proclaim to hate)

(For reference, please see the SC2 forums, and the WoW forums)

Delusional hypocrisy, Blizzard games are so big, that the haters even cannot stop talking/playing/thinking about their games, they have to fabricate a reason to make an excuse for why they just cannot fathom playing another game, or doing anything other then enveloping their lives with what they seemingly "hate".

They are akin to drug addicted teenagers.

Humorously, both titles this community of insanity has proclaimed as "dead" have in fact set records for playerbase retention, overall sales, and are literally at the very top of their respective genres. (I believe the calls for WoW's "death" started in 2010? And the QQ against SC2 was pretty much right outta the gate (they move pretty fast now), yet, SC2 is still the #1 Esports game in the world.)

Their complete inability to realize how horribly disconnected from reality they actually are causes them to spiral into some kind of Trolling vortex, that they can never seem to escape from.

Its actually kind of fascinating.

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think my worst one was a goblin then soem blues...then a yellow >.> GG game lolol

those goblins aint dumb...they got phat lewt they run to saftey

The worst is when you get them cornered after chasing them a bunch, then they open the portal with a good chunk of health left....... and you get them to a sliver......poof gone.

FAWK!

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Working as intended

Just my point I actually find it kind of fun. It sucks to lose a goblin, but at least something happens. I don't want it changed or anything, this game just loves to be a bitch at times.

I personally love it, makes it risky.

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I was wondering.. how exactly do you de-bump a thread?

Everyone will come back when the PvP patch hits, then they will play a couple hundred hours, then they'll complain how the RMAH and skill balance sucks and Blizzard is doomed to going bankrupt, then they'll come back again on the first expansion (with tons of new features, better itemization and randomization), then they'll complain yet again (about a feature that didn't turn out to be the way they expected), then they'll quit again...

Rinse and repeat... for all Blizzard games..

Exactly this.

And the core Diablo players will laugh at them.

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First, Blizzard doesn't read this forums (that we know of).

Second, from what I've heard, the only content patch will be PvP. So no, they're not adding any end game. If grinding for better gear/leveling alts isn't enough for you, well, this isn't an MMO. You're not paying a monthly fee, so they have no obligation to keep making content.

My suggestion? You probably got your money's worth out of this game. Go play other games for 6 montsh to a year, and then come back and level another character, it'll be fresh again.

Trust me, the end-game in Diablo 2 was much richer. And only because it is not a MMO doesn't mean it can contain end-game content.

What "End game" in D2?

Brutally outleveling the content?

PvP is coming for D3, so lets take that out of the equation, neutral ground.

After 80 D2 is faceroll easy, there was literally no point to grinding out 99, it just kept getting easier.

I dont see how that is "richer" in any way, shape or form. Actually having a challenge up to the very top end is a MUCH better end game, by FAR. (it is the equivalent if D2 actually had a challenge up to 99, even the ubers was ez mode at that point)

I dont know what Diablo games you have played, but none of the Diablo series has had as much end game as D3 has. (obviously talking about when PvP drops into the mix)

Again, Diablo is NOT an MMO, so do not expect that kind of end game content, it will not happen.

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Because Blizz implemented a half-assed solution.

They wanted character builds to be diverse. They didn't want any single skill to outshine the others. And then players complained that they have no build identity, so the implemented NV as it currently stands. So what did we end up with? A skill system that touts diversity that you can't actually use because you are, for all practical intents and purposes, locked into a single build while you are farming.

They are touting build diversity, not you can swap out your build for every encounter.

And yes, they need to buff the lesser used skills for Inferno viability, I know.

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I don't care if I'm one of 10 people left in the world playing D3. If there is a server online, I'll be playing it. You kids can keep on moving to games that promote your short attention spans.

I get a kick out of people that get so defensive about this game, that they always feel the need to include a generalized insult to feel better about themselves. There is obviously no other reasonable explanation as to why people have left this game then that they are kids with short attention spans. Boy, you know what's up.

I think the defensive nature is because the malcontents have decided that, instead of just moving on, they're going to troll and flood the forums with negative topics. It's like going to a Honda dealership and listening to some dirty old man sitting in a chair complaining about how horrible his Honda is. You'll probably just laugh it off for a while, but when you're on your 3rd trip back and you're starting to seriously think about purchasing a car, it's going to become fairly annoying.

I'm not suggesting everyone should love D3, hell I don't even love everything about it. I'm suggesting that if you are so discontent with the game, maybe you should give it a rest and try something else and leave people who are enjoying it to enjoy it. There's no need to make everyone else miserable just because you are.

Exactly this.

These trolls seem to be on some form of quest to tell us that we cannot have fun. (humorously enough, that's what these very same trolls accuse Blizzard of doing, hypocrisy at its finest)

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Xfire stopped being relevant in 2006.

So did Blizzard.

Yeah, because WoW Cata, SC2 and D3 all didn't break records previously held by other Blizzard games.

Oh wait.

They did.

Just because you think something is not relevant, does not actually mean it is not, it may come as a surprise to you, but you are just one of many millions of people who determine what actually is relevant.

Players 130,000

So....... less then 1% of the total user base?

Seriously, if I have to explain to anyone the flaw in these stats........

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Im with Jackoo on this one. D2 shits all over D3. At least they didn't Nerf every class and make them harder and harder every 2 months so people have to try change their game style all the time. Leave Jackoo be.
Funny how everyone is slandering Jackoo for having an opinion when it takes more guts to voice one. Those who have a go at someone for having a voice are lower then maggots in MY OPINION. Get it. Got it. Good now F@%k OFF

He doesn't have an opinion. He is incapable of managing game mechanics at Inferno difficulty, and wants to blame the game and the RMAH on it.

You people who revere D2 and want to put it on a pedestal are half the issue with these forums, and how it represents the game. It isn't bad, it just isn't *EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT*. Which was a straight D2 clone, with everything D2 had, but newer GFX and a different story.

D2 was a decent game. Besides being easy as hell, having a skill/talent system that was irrelevant because any skills with any gear allowed you to progress. And by that, it was "more customizable" - your skills choices *DID NOT MATTER*. They weren't choices, it was a glorified "whack-a-mole" screen than made pretty changes to what your character looked like in combat. Because everyone looked the same once they got the BiS gear everyone was duping out.

OP - the stats you list for Act 2 are crap. You have an account here, you posted your river of tears - but you couldn't be bothered researching minimum stats needed to move forward. Because you see a Barb *with* enough (more than enough) gear, *he* must be broken, not you - because, of course, your gaming prowess is legendary.

Your stats aren't enough. I can farm Act 1 just fine, and Act 2 *was* easier yesterday. I have 38K HP/11.5K DPS/450 RA and was still struggling. The IAS nerf hurt a bit (lost 1.5K DPS), *BUT* I don't blame the game for my inability to advance. I know this is a gear game, and I don't have it. I Don't go crying to Blizzard telling them change the game, because I am so great it can't be me.

As for Lushy, savior of the downtrodden - on the Internet, everyone has the balls to voice an opinion. Anonymity requires *ZERO* bravery. You know what requires bravery? Acknowledging that your failures are *YOUR* failures, instead of hunting down any and every scapegoat you can find, because your ego is far to fragile to accept you just aren't perfect.

D2 only shit's on something because it is covered in it. It was a good game, and had some good systems. D3 has the potential to match that, while avoiding many of the pitfalls and abuse/hack/exploits D2 suffered from, which ultimately ruined it for many. For folks like you, who don't want a challenge, just a glorified loot pinata that even the OP's referenced 10 y/o's would get bored of, go back to it. Get it? Got it? Go back to pre-school, little kid.

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Cyeron - technically correct, yes. The OP does illuminate a point many *VOCAL* players have on *MANY GAME FORUMS* (note: this number is *NOT* a significant sampling of the players base, and many players are just as vocal in support of them game. IT is common knowledge that more people complain than praise, however, so the greater number of negative voices comes as no shock for anybody with more than a junior college education).

Repetition is boring. Repetition in D2 was boring too. For every person that played D2 as intended, at least one was either using hacks or exploits or dupes, or benefiting from them by using items from people who did. Saying a game is great because you can bypass significant portions of game mechanics is an error in logic too. Likewise with D3. You use class changes as the qualification for the games weakness of repetition driving people away. I see peoples need to find ways to cheese their way through hard games driving them away as stuff gets fixed. See the difference?

Your deeper issue, simply put, is as follows -

(1) Repetition is boring - people who hate this will hate D3, will have hated D2, or have grown out of this type game in between releases.
(2) People used to D2's difficulty and easy of acquiring gear will hate repetition in D3, because they never really had to experience it in D2.

People who do not like grind games will be bored. People who thought D2 was perfect will be bored or unhappy. People who like the game aren't being driven away by grinding/repetition - that is why they play it. Some of them are driven away by balance, difficulty, patches, etc. Things that are not the cornerstone of Diablo games.

And those people who are not having fun should stop playing. Class/game changes may be the straw that broke the camels back for those players, but those people weren't having fun regardless, per your statement above. It is weak reasoning to try and link 2 unrelated issues to support your (or another) argument.

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brx - that block of text can be rendered down to the following points (and my thoughts) per item in the linked post, and my thoughts on how useful the item is after:

(1) game was dumbed down. Disagree - the complexity just doesn't come out until Hell/Inferno, and is broke ATM due to Inferno difficutly. opinion, excepting Inferno.
(2) chat is weak. Yup, but it is enough, or could be with tuning. only so much you can do with chat. Invalid point
(3) story is weak/basic. So were the previous games. Opinion, Invalid point.
(4) see (1)
(5) No offline. BTW, tons of botters got banned, and no duping as of yet. They are a business. If you stodd to lose millions of dollars in sales, you would think differently on the subject. Likewise if you had ever lost a job at a game company because your game didn't sell well enough, but enough people to have kept you employed are playing it. Opinion, but sorta failed.
(6) Bad UI. nothing wrong with the UI, it does what it needs to. Opinion.
(7) fewer legendaries. No, fewer legendaries than D2+LOD. More legendaries than D2 vanilla at launch. Invalid point.
(8) fewer gems. No, technicaly 24 differnt types of gems, depending on where you put them. The other crap doesn't apply for an apples-to-apples comparison. Invalid point.
(9) Different affixes. D3 has just as many affixes, some are just item specific. Beyond that, some of them were moved to runes that applied to specific classes. Also, you only chose to list the D3 affixes to make your point, and some of the D2 ones were item specific. Invalid point.
(10) You have to balance different stats. Invalid point.
(11) Less at low levels, more than enough at high levels, to the point they are even nerfing IAS. Invalid point.
(12) Inferno *is* broken. Not cheap, because that implies that did it that way on purpose. Inferno was aded for people that didn't want to mow down creatures for a 4th difficulty, but wanted a challenge. Invalid point.
(13) Main quest guides you through the game. Just like D2. Side quests aren't required, just like D2. Invalid point.
(14) Fixing Inferno drop rates will fix this. That being said, up until then, RMAH isn't required at all, and doesn't need to have any effect on fidning good items. Invalid, excepting Inferno currently. Invalid point, excepting Inferno..
(15) Same answer as 14.
(16) Sort of agree. I liked fighting hordes of monsters, as opposed to fewer strong ones (not including elites/champs of course). Good.
(17) D2 vanilla didn't have these til an expansion, keep it apples-to-apples. Invalid point.
(18) Disagree, but it is most opinion and perception. To me, the monsters felt weak, with later difficulties getting harder, as I expected, and wanted. For inferno, I liked struggling at first, then getting more powerful as i got better gear, and tried different abilities (cleared Act 1 without the recommended health/armor/resist/dps or skills too). The feeling of growing power as you gear and tune your skills is awesome to me, but again, it's all perception. Opinion.
(19) Character permanence has nothing to do with using different skills at different times. If anything, it increases character customization, and increases a characters ability to deal with different circumstances and group dynamics. I am *more* attached to a character I can do many things well with, than a character I am locked into doing only 1 thing well with. Build diversity in Inferno will change with the upcomgin patch and gear. Opinion, excepting Inferno points.
(20) Lol, game has better, more useful customization than D2. D2 had cookie-cutter specs to gear/level with, and once you had the best gear, you could use any spec you liked because they all worked - it wasn't diversity, when the choices were all meaning less. And since none of them affected your ability to kill things, they were all meaningless. Invalid point.
(21) PvP isn't in, and PvP was crap in D2, so why expect anything more in D3. Conjecture, and invalid point.
(22) Agree, but not based on any of the reason stated, excepting the lack of horror atmosphere. Good point, poorly supported.
(23) Sort of agree, but mostly not. There are ten character slots for a reason - 5 softcore, 5 hardcore. Replayability is technically gone (without expansions) when you have leveled each class once, and leveled you best/favorite class through at least Hell, I would say. unique builds can be tried it in the course of an hour maybe, after the 30-40 hours minimum needed to get level 60. All the other points about low customization/itemization are to be fixed, and the dislike of PvP with it not even being in the game is plain retarded. Opinion, but mostly invalid, or just downright bullshit.

So, tallying up, we have (some items were multiple categories, so they don't add up):
Good points - 4 (2 in regards to Inferno specifically)
Invalid points - 17
Opinion - 5
Conjecture - 2 (both regarding PvP, just in different places.

So, as we can see here, that huge diatribe comes down to 4 useful complaints, each of which are being addressed. 17 bullshit points of either crap comparisons or downright incorrect information, 5 points that are pure opinion, and 2 that are complete conjecture, and ridiculous to include in any sort of post expected to be taken seriously.

Before you reference someone elses work to support your stance, make sure the work in questions doesn't make you look like a dumbass.