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just my 2 cents. every time i log into d3 i see my trade channel being #20k + and generally has 80 or more players in it. that math is not hard to do. amiwrong?

Get out of here with your common sense and logic.

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if it is a bot it will get banned.

So far blizz has proved us otherwise. They are doing nothing, bots run rampage and they are just sitting back, smiling, with their hands on lap counting money from RMAH.

ORLY?

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5740846683
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Diablo-3-Cheaters-Banned-By-Thousands-43512.html
http://www.vg247.com/2012/06/13/diablo-iii-bans-strike-several-thousand-cheaters/

Any other nuggets of stupid you want to drop on us?

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Diablo
Diablo II
Jay Wilson wouldn't even have a job right now if it weren't for the above ^^
This is a discussion about professionalism, not titles associated with their name.
Bad job trying to turn the topic elsewhere.

Last time I checked, David wanted to make a claymation turn based game, and needed Morhime and Co. to make it into the games they were.

Wilson worked on DOW and COH before D3, both games were fantastic successes.

David without Blizz backing made one of the biggest flops in gaming history (as in, an ACTUAL flop, not an imagined flop, it actually closed his studio down it flopped so bad.)

Again, so Jay spouted off a bit to much, get a life, get over it.

He is a GAME DEVELOPER, not a politician, not a public figure, just a dude who makes games.

Get your head on straight.

I could name a dozen big name producers/developers/etc that have a faaaaaaaaaaar longer list of "unprofessional" statements then what Jay has said.

Yet those are tiny little blips on the radar, because Blizzard fans are a writhing mass of garbage, and cling to anything they can hound on endlessly, the lack of any sort of glimmering hope of a life is all but snuffed by these mongrels.

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Dave called it like it is and has customer feedback to back it up. Jay couldn't be a man about it and instead acted like a 13 year old. You don't ever think anyone is awesome and a loser at the same time. If he just said "fuck that" then I'd understand but he made a personal remark about Dave with his "loser" addition and for that he's not getting a pass.

Should we dredge up people from this community's online comments and judge them the same way?

Because THAT would be far, FAR worse, don't ya think?

The community IS actually full of children (but not all, and you can certainly find plenty of adult comments that are respectful despite the generalization). Children are the largest demographic of gamers so, duh, most of them are going to be childish. Jay Wilson is obviously not a child but certainly acted like one. His facebook is going to be one of the very few ways to get a candid view of him and this is how he reveals himself when not behind PR like this letter. You don't get to be in a position of power like this where your position is owed to your customers when you can't handle yourself appropriately. There are plenty of Game Directors who don't have evidence of acting like this.

Sure he's allowed to say "fuck you" to someone. But if he's going to be dumb enough to say it to the creator of the franchise that gave him his fucking job, you better actually back your shit up (like Dave did). He didn't. Just a flippant statement like any kid would. Your job as a leader (and a Director is a leader of multiple leaders) is to set an example. When I get paid to do what he does and control huge franchises like that, you be sure to put me in my place if you catch me doing shit like that.

M rated game.

Average age every time a community poll comes up is 27-ish. (24-30 average demograph)

They aint children bud. They are sad, painfully obsessed, socially aberrant, keyboard warriors.

Case in point;

Lets take average Diablo 3 forum troll #45687 as an example.

Lets grab a weeks worth his of comments from the site.

Then show them publicly, to their family, their co workers, etc.

What do you think the reaction would be?

Yeah man, so Jay got pissed at his team getting slammed, thats NOTHING compared to the back and forth mudslinging several "un-named" companies practice on a weekly basis.

Its just something for the meme obsessed community to rant and rave about for weeks on end, they desperately cling to anything new to attempt (and fail) to spawn some form of wit.

I have literally lost respect for gamers as a whole due to the sheer quantity of morons that heaves and pupates under the thick and dank blanket of the inter-webs.

But hey, maybe its just me, amirite?

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After saying those words to Dave, the man who brought us our passion, you will never be widely accepted, Jay. Your PR excuses cannot hide your aggressive hateful nature.

That's RICH coming from this horribly rude, painfully childish, and pathetically immature community.

Really,

Gold star right there.

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Dave called it like it is and has customer feedback to back it up. Jay couldn't be a man about it and instead acted like a 13 year old. You don't ever think anyone is awesome and a loser at the same time. If he just said "fuck that" then I'd understand but he made a personal remark about Dave with his "loser" addition and for that he's not getting a pass.

Should we dredge up people from this community's online comments and judge them the same way?

Because THAT would be far, FAR worse, don't ya think?

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Another gold post. Really.

So many don't remember how D2 went through a lot of the "This isn't Diablo (1), not even close!!" and things finally cooled down after patch 1.10 and LoD xpac and it became the jewel of the franchise, perhaps the company (yes, I've heard of WoW). Gold was a joke in D2.

That's right, it got better after 1.10. Do you know how long that took ? Blizz had more then 8 years to make this game and it's a mess. Unexcusable.

Do YOU know how long it took to get to 1.10?

Here's a hint; YEARS.

No one cares if YOU think this game is a "mess", most of us do NOT share that sentiment.

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Holy..... HOLY FUCK.

Look at that Skorn!

LOOK AT IT.

I'm looking man, what do you want. :<

97.7% Bleed for a bagillion dmg, monster stats for a Monk, +151% crit...... AND a socket.

*tears up

Thats fucking beautiful.....

Also, DAT WINDFORCE.

*smashing face off keyboard, still at work.

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Oh joy! Another troll-thread complaining about how Blizzard isn't listening to The Right People.

The internet definitely needs more of those.

Dude stop trolling this post, this guy is serious and he has a good point. It's quite obvious, d3 wont be nearly as good as d2 ever was.

D3 already has a larger player base then D2 ever had, it also has more players on at one time RIGHT NOW then D2 ever did.

Reality sure is a sucker punch to troll balls isnt it?

Honestly, Im gonna laugh so damn hard at the internet as a whole when D3 gets an expansion, and it sells like 10 million copies on week 1 again.

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Absolute amateurishness

it is just pathetic to see how deep this company has fallen.

ArenaNet is the last hope for me, otherwise i am done with games in this life.

Really?

So you must think that Blizzard North was HORRIBLE then eh? (in case you were unaware of the MASSIVE amount of dupes in D2)

At least with D3, they can update the game to eliminate this if it turns out to be true.

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Im with Jackoo on this one. D2 shits all over D3. At least they didn't Nerf every class and make them harder and harder every 2 months so people have to try change their game style all the time. Leave Jackoo be.
Funny how everyone is slandering Jackoo for having an opinion when it takes more guts to voice one. Those who have a go at someone for having a voice are lower then maggots in MY OPINION. Get it. Got it. Good now F@%k OFF

He doesn't have an opinion. He is incapable of managing game mechanics at Inferno difficulty, and wants to blame the game and the RMAH on it.

You people who revere D2 and want to put it on a pedestal are half the issue with these forums, and how it represents the game. It isn't bad, it just isn't *EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT*. Which was a straight D2 clone, with everything D2 had, but newer GFX and a different story.

D2 was a decent game. Besides being easy as hell, having a skill/talent system that was irrelevant because any skills with any gear allowed you to progress. And by that, it was "more customizable" - your skills choices *DID NOT MATTER*. They weren't choices, it was a glorified "whack-a-mole" screen than made pretty changes to what your character looked like in combat. Because everyone looked the same once they got the BiS gear everyone was duping out.

OP - the stats you list for Act 2 are crap. You have an account here, you posted your river of tears - but you couldn't be bothered researching minimum stats needed to move forward. Because you see a Barb *with* enough (more than enough) gear, *he* must be broken, not you - because, of course, your gaming prowess is legendary.

Your stats aren't enough. I can farm Act 1 just fine, and Act 2 *was* easier yesterday. I have 38K HP/11.5K DPS/450 RA and was still struggling. The IAS nerf hurt a bit (lost 1.5K DPS), *BUT* I don't blame the game for my inability to advance. I know this is a gear game, and I don't have it. I Don't go crying to Blizzard telling them change the game, because I am so great it can't be me.

As for Lushy, savior of the downtrodden - on the Internet, everyone has the balls to voice an opinion. Anonymity requires *ZERO* bravery. You know what requires bravery? Acknowledging that your failures are *YOUR* failures, instead of hunting down any and every scapegoat you can find, because your ego is far to fragile to accept you just aren't perfect.

D2 only shit's on something because it is covered in it. It was a good game, and had some good systems. D3 has the potential to match that, while avoiding many of the pitfalls and abuse/hack/exploits D2 suffered from, which ultimately ruined it for many. For folks like you, who don't want a challenge, just a glorified loot pinata that even the OP's referenced 10 y/o's would get bored of, go back to it. Get it? Got it? Go back to pre-school, little kid.

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Cyeron - technically correct, yes. The OP does illuminate a point many *VOCAL* players have on *MANY GAME FORUMS* (note: this number is *NOT* a significant sampling of the players base, and many players are just as vocal in support of them game. IT is common knowledge that more people complain than praise, however, so the greater number of negative voices comes as no shock for anybody with more than a junior college education).

Repetition is boring. Repetition in D2 was boring too. For every person that played D2 as intended, at least one was either using hacks or exploits or dupes, or benefiting from them by using items from people who did. Saying a game is great because you can bypass significant portions of game mechanics is an error in logic too. Likewise with D3. You use class changes as the qualification for the games weakness of repetition driving people away. I see peoples need to find ways to cheese their way through hard games driving them away as stuff gets fixed. See the difference?

Your deeper issue, simply put, is as follows -

(1) Repetition is boring - people who hate this will hate D3, will have hated D2, or have grown out of this type game in between releases.
(2) People used to D2's difficulty and easy of acquiring gear will hate repetition in D3, because they never really had to experience it in D2.

People who do not like grind games will be bored. People who thought D2 was perfect will be bored or unhappy. People who like the game aren't being driven away by grinding/repetition - that is why they play it. Some of them are driven away by balance, difficulty, patches, etc. Things that are not the cornerstone of Diablo games.

And those people who are not having fun should stop playing. Class/game changes may be the straw that broke the camels back for those players, but those people weren't having fun regardless, per your statement above. It is weak reasoning to try and link 2 unrelated issues to support your (or another) argument.

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Spoiler hiding wall of text.

brx - that block of text can be rendered down to the following points (and my thoughts) per item in the linked post, and my thoughts on how useful the item is after:

(1) game was dumbed down. Disagree - the complexity just doesn't come out until Hell/Inferno, and is broke ATM due to Inferno difficutly. opinion, excepting Inferno.
(2) chat is weak. Yup, but it is enough, or could be with tuning. only so much you can do with chat. Invalid point
(3) story is weak/basic. So were the previous games. Opinion, Invalid point.
(4) see (1)
(5) No offline. BTW, tons of botters got banned, and no duping as of yet. They are a business. If you stodd to lose millions of dollars in sales, you would think differently on the subject. Likewise if you had ever lost a job at a game company because your game didn't sell well enough, but enough people to have kept you employed are playing it. Opinion, but sorta failed.
(6) Bad UI. nothing wrong with the UI, it does what it needs to. Opinion.
(7) fewer legendaries. No, fewer legendaries than D2+LOD. More legendaries than D2 vanilla at launch. Invalid point.
(8) fewer gems. No, technicaly 24 differnt types of gems, depending on where you put them. The other crap doesn't apply for an apples-to-apples comparison. Invalid point.
(9) Different affixes. D3 has just as many affixes, some are just item specific. Beyond that, some of them were moved to runes that applied to specific classes. Also, you only chose to list the D3 affixes to make your point, and some of the D2 ones were item specific. Invalid point.
(10) You have to balance different stats. Invalid point.
(11) Less at low levels, more than enough at high levels, to the point they are even nerfing IAS. Invalid point.
(12) Inferno *is* broken. Not cheap, because that implies that did it that way on purpose. Inferno was aded for people that didn't want to mow down creatures for a 4th difficulty, but wanted a challenge. Invalid point.
(13) Main quest guides you through the game. Just like D2. Side quests aren't required, just like D2. Invalid point.
(14) Fixing Inferno drop rates will fix this. That being said, up until then, RMAH isn't required at all, and doesn't need to have any effect on fidning good items. Invalid, excepting Inferno currently. Invalid point, excepting Inferno..
(15) Same answer as 14.
(16) Sort of agree. I liked fighting hordes of monsters, as opposed to fewer strong ones (not including elites/champs of course). Good.
(17) D2 vanilla didn't have these til an expansion, keep it apples-to-apples. Invalid point.
(18) Disagree, but it is most opinion and perception. To me, the monsters felt weak, with later difficulties getting harder, as I expected, and wanted. For inferno, I liked struggling at first, then getting more powerful as i got better gear, and tried different abilities (cleared Act 1 without the recommended health/armor/resist/dps or skills too). The feeling of growing power as you gear and tune your skills is awesome to me, but again, it's all perception. Opinion.
(19) Character permanence has nothing to do with using different skills at different times. If anything, it increases character customization, and increases a characters ability to deal with different circumstances and group dynamics. I am *more* attached to a character I can do many things well with, than a character I am locked into doing only 1 thing well with. Build diversity in Inferno will change with the upcomgin patch and gear. Opinion, excepting Inferno points.
(20) Lol, game has better, more useful customization than D2. D2 had cookie-cutter specs to gear/level with, and once you had the best gear, you could use any spec you liked because they all worked - it wasn't diversity, when the choices were all meaning less. And since none of them affected your ability to kill things, they were all meaningless. Invalid point.
(21) PvP isn't in, and PvP was crap in D2, so why expect anything more in D3. Conjecture, and invalid point.
(22) Agree, but not based on any of the reason stated, excepting the lack of horror atmosphere. Good point, poorly supported.
(23) Sort of agree, but mostly not. There are ten character slots for a reason - 5 softcore, 5 hardcore. Replayability is technically gone (without expansions) when you have leveled each class once, and leveled you best/favorite class through at least Hell, I would say. unique builds can be tried it in the course of an hour maybe, after the 30-40 hours minimum needed to get level 60. All the other points about low customization/itemization are to be fixed, and the dislike of PvP with it not even being in the game is plain retarded. Opinion, but mostly invalid, or just downright bullshit.

So, tallying up, we have (some items were multiple categories, so they don't add up):
Good points - 4 (2 in regards to Inferno specifically)
Invalid points - 17
Opinion - 5
Conjecture - 2 (both regarding PvP, just in different places.

So, as we can see here, that huge diatribe comes down to 4 useful complaints, each of which are being addressed. 17 bullshit points of either crap comparisons or downright incorrect information, 5 points that are pure opinion, and 2 that are complete conjecture, and ridiculous to include in any sort of post expected to be taken seriously.

Before you reference someone elses work to support your stance, make sure the work in questions doesn't make you look like a dumbass.