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I am hating the players more than the game. I am hating cheaters of all kinds.
Yes, game is stale, boring and repetitive. But hey. After 2500 hours what game is NOT the same? Most games are boring after first hour. Ok 100 hours... This is it. Yet the devs keep adding things.. on and on. For free. Not through some DLC "pay to win" shit.
There is no excuse for cheating of any kind. If you are a cheater that's your choice. But you will eventually be banned.
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Diablo / Hellfire
Diablo II / Lord of Destruction
Diablo III / Reaper Of Souls
Diablo IV /....
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Grow a sack and take responsibility for your stupid decisions and actions. There is absolutely nothing that could justify you botting in a game where it is clearly 100% against the rules. Again, you are just finding excuses so you can feel better with yourself. I have nothing against botters because i myself have botted in the past (not necessarily in diablo but also) and i know that it's "fun" and whatever but just get over yourself, you are not more responsible because you bot, you're not really advancing your career because you bot, you are just making up more and more excuses for your fat ass.
I'll bot until the shit game design is fixed- it's nice being able to actually do things IRL and still get progression to keep up with the no-lifers.
And to all the people gloating about bans... PFFFT- you have no idea how many botters are still going 24/7. Warden can't detect shit when things are set up properly.
Right on the front of ROSBOT front page:
"In the last 24h, 1088110 legendary items and 289693 set items have been dropped by your bots"
The bot actually makes the game enjoyable again, it's like another game within the game. And if I do get caught...
well $40 is peanuts, with every reward there is risk involved.
P.S.- botting in Hearthstone too- see a pattern here regarding Blizz games, lulz.
It's nice to find excuses for yourself but in reality, you just don't enjoy the game anymore as you used to. Stop trying to justify your bullshit and just own it. When i bot i know that i'm doing something against the rules and there is no justification for it other than me being a lazy fuck.
...really- I'm being a lazy fuck for working hard to advance my career, and letting the bot farm HC 60+ while I'm making money IRL. If that makes me "lazy", then yes call me lazy fuck all you want.
In the last 24h, 1029122 legendary items and 270137 set items have been dropped by your bots
Not the huge drop I think people were hoping for!
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It's nice to find excuses for yourself but in reality, you just don't enjoy the game anymore as you used to. Stop trying to justify your bullshit and just own it. When i bot i know that i'm doing something against the rules and there is no justification for it other than me being a lazy fuck.
I'll bot until the shit game design is fixed- it's nice being able to actually do things IRL and still get progression to keep up with the no-lifers.
And to all the people gloating about bans... PFFFT- you have no idea how many botters are still going 24/7. Warden can't detect shit when things are set up properly.
Right on the front of ROSBOT front page:
"In the last 24h, 1088110 legendary items and 289693 set items have been dropped by your bots"
The bot actually makes the game enjoyable again, it's like another game within the game. And if I do get caught...
well $40 is peanuts, with every reward there is risk involved.
P.S.- botting in Hearthstone too- see a pattern here regarding Blizz games, lulz.
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Paragon only really began to become an issue when the amount of XP you could gain from GR exploded.
Regardless of what they do with the XP acquisition rate, I personally believe that the current Paragon system is boring.
Ancient Items = More main stats (except for weapon)
Paragon = More main stats after Plvl 800
Augment = More main stats
I would prefer something that doesn't revolve around that.
Nowadays, D3 shifted from a Loot Hunting game into a XP farming and fishing simulator.
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So, you want a Cobb Salad, no Bacon, no Egg, but blue cheese on the side. Then you don't want a Cobb Salad. Go play something else. You aren't playing Diablo 3, if you bot. You are playing an entirely different game.
It's called Grifts. And it has been in the game for quite sometime. You literally have what you are asking for... already in the game. That's the reason why Grifts are ranked as well. To show who is the highest in the game. If you find the game boring, then this game is not for you. Why perverse the game with cheating? It makes no sense.
Because you need rift keys for GRs. That's literally a direct requirement. And because Rift Guardian loot is worthless when you only lack 2-3 slots (which are weapons/rings/amulets, which have very low drop chances in random loot tables), so your best bet at upgrading those slots is doing bounties for materials for reforging and upgrading at the cube. You could say that's optional, sure, but it's undoubtedly the best way to gear up right now, nothing else even comes close.
What doesn't make sense? That sometimes people cheat with the purpose of avoiding parts of the game they don't like, so that they can do parts of the game they do like? It's not exactly rocket science. I don't know how else to explain this. I guess I'll just stop trying.
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To be honest, Uglytoes does have a point.
There are two types of botters: those who do it for competitive reasons (to gain an advantage over other players, to crush the leaderboard/paragon ladder, etc), and those who do it for convenience reasons (the only purpose is to make the game more fun for themselves, they don't care about the leaderboards or paragon race or whatever; people who "lack time" or are just straight up too bored of TX rifts/bounties all fall into this category).
People who bot for competitive reasons are directly malicious to the games competitive integrity, and they will cheat and bot whenever it is not too risky (most common reason being "well, everybody else does it, so will I"). The only way to fix this type of behavior is directly punishing it. The risk of losing an account is virtually the only thing keeping this type in check, but the efficiency of this strategy only depends on how active Blizzard is with updating detection and banning. It is, however, very possible to scare away all of these (even a single big banwave at the end of each season will be enough).
People who bot for convenience are a more interesting phenomenon. For them, the game is simply not fun if they are forced to play the intended way (e.g. a statement like "if I do get banned, I don't care, because these bots/cheats made the game significantly more fun for me, I acknowledge the risks and I believe it's worth it"). The intent itself isn't malicious - the intent is just to make the game more enjoyable for themselves. These players don't really damage the competitive environment simply because they don't participate in it (generally). Now the most important thing is, these players aren't afraid of getting banned - they literally state that they aren't. If you do ban these players, especially without fixing the things that they are willing to lose their accounts for, you are more than likely losing them permanently. From a developers point of view, it's much wiser to first fix the core issues that created this group, and then proceed to warn and/or ban people. (This is exactly how they handled their recent banwaves in WoW, for example.)
Note that I'm not defending anyone and my point isn't that any one type of botting/cheating is justified. I'm not making a "this is ok"/"this is not ok" statement. I am just analyzing two things which I think are different, and I am doing it from developer standpoint. I think this might explain why their bans were quite selective, and the bias towards competitive players can be clearly tracked. Those players will still come back (most of them), just on different accounts.
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I understand that you are extremely bent over the fact that I am admitting to botting; however, I don't think that you fully understand the sacrifices I've made as a service member. Does that excuse me from botting? No, it doesn't. It is cheating, I never said it wasn't. I work in healthcare in a forward deployed command. I know that you might not grasp that concept, but it is nothing like sitting in my parents' basement playing a game for hours a day without any responsibilities. People's lives depend on me and after a day of work sometimes I want to enjoy a game. Why would I want to take care of people all day or do physical training routines all day and come back to grind out materials only to never have the opportunity to even enjoy the end game? There are solutions to this problem and frankly, bots aren't the problem. There are much larger issues here. Games are meant for enjoyment and competition, but so far Blizzard has missed the mark on both for D3. Bots aside, the people with nothing but time to grind away at this game will always have the upper hand. I saw skill mentioned in this thread, but currently, time investment > skill in D3.
I work, I workout, I read, everyday. I have a wife and 2 kids. [...]You choose to be a service member. My father was a Master Sgt in the Air Force. While I don't know what it's like to serve, I do know what it's like to live with it. How much I had to sacrifice while a father had to move around every 2-3. Friends, Family, Stability. I had none of that shit as a child. Anyone that mentions service in anything beyond when asked, is asking for curried favor. You want your service to be an excuse, otherwise why mention it? Literally has no bearing on the situation at hand. Diablo 3 is a time sink. You don't want to invest into a time sink. Don't fucking play the game. Simple as that. If you have to cheat to get by, then this game isn't for you. Just move on.
Your logic of cheating could be literally used for any walk of life, in any situation. It's like saying I steal because I work hard, but don't make enough. Yet, I am sure if someone broke into your house, you wouldn't let that shit go because they have it hard. Having it hard isn't an excuse. And you damn well know it.
D3 faults aren't a reason to cheat. It's another excuse. You cheat because you want too. And you cheat because it's easy. Nothing else, nothing more. If you didn't care, you wouldn't post about it. You posted to rub in peoples faces. I don't buy it. And I'm not going to let you have it either.
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It's always fun to read people excuses for botting. "I work in military", "I work in health care". "I don't live with mom".
We get it guys, but this ain't an excuse for botting and cheating.
I am also a p1000 scrub with girlfriend, full time job and no mom's basement. But i don't bot, and i perfectly understand i won't catch up with mom's dwellers that can simply play for 16 hours straight, like Chainer for example. I am not even trying. I know i can't do it because "NO TIME", i am just enjoying the game as it is.
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I gotta say this thread has one of the worst titles iv'e seen in a while.
It's not about listening or caring it's about meeting deadlines, budget and priorities. Only the fact that most of the player-base doesn't even engage in high end game competitive action has to say a lot about the developers' priorities. People need to stop with the "blizz dont listen" bullcrap because it's over-dramatic shit that indicates a lack of understanding of reality.
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It's not out of the realm of possibility. What a lot of people tend to forget is that the benefit of shadow is you can take out a pack of mobs single target ALMOST as fast as someone running only AOE in higher GRs. To bring this playstyle to fruition and get it into more practice oversights of mechanics have to be corrected and some stuff has to be balanced to fit that mold. Buffing sets, nerfing static charge, killing heal monk and globe support, and nerfing twisted sword as a round about way of resolving the issue of twisters glitching in walls for a few examples). But I do agree with you that it along with other sets might be balanced down a bit since blizzard has made it a point to overtune numbers during PTR for testing. The problem is that a lot of these oversights aren't caught during PTR because top-end runners purposely don't finish their GRs while testing these builds to keep them secret and then run them a few weeks into a season to give them an edge over someone that was gearing for something else (static charge and broken promise U6 as a diversion were prime examples of this).
If I remember correctly devs previously stated they were looking to keep it around the GR 100 mark. To facilitate this, globe support is getting burned, damage reduction is getting a minor buff through legendary gem changes, ignore pain application to party members is cut in half, and some set bonuses are getting buffed. The theory is that they've done this to try to balance out a parties support to DPS ratio and incentivize top and mid performers to try heavier DPS comps.
It's more powerful if you are focusing a build around chakram because the sword of ill will increases chakram dmg based on the amount of hatred you have which ties into the 2set of Shadow's Mantle that increases your damge by 1200% when you have a melee weapon equipped. I suspect that this is the reason why they are buffing the damage per sentry to either match it to M4S4/M4S2 or makr M6 a clear choice. M4S4/M4S2 is probably the reason we haven't seen a buff to the Sword of Ill Will. It's kind of weak if you use it with S6 unfortunately. Which is a shame since chakram is one of the few offensive skills you can use with a melee weapon.
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I say this as delicate as possible. You guys are playing a game expecting something out of it that it wasn't designed for. It's designed for people that love the grind and love the journey to the end game (the point where you get to grind). Instead of putting up a complaint that the game needs some changes that would divert the game from the audience it was intended for you should probably move on to another game.
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I can see the appeal considering how challenging it would be, but it would get really boring really fast.
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The more and more I hear about it I'm starting to be in favor of it. It would at least work for seasonal botting and they can apply it to normal as well. They would have to make a monitor of some sort to reset on each new era that the play time can not be more than minus 10 hours of the season total after x days or something along those lines and then have it trigger an internal e-mail or ticket of some sort to prompt an investigation.
The only problem I can foresee is the details. How long is too long for a single person to play? What's the right choice for that? Does internal tooling allow for a hook into player stats to trigger an investigation notice? SO much stuff to think about when creating a tool like that with a lot of gray area.
And then comes the even bigger problem. If they ever implemented something like this they'd never be able to tell their customers about it. Because among the honest and do-good customer base is the people that still want to bot. Once you tell cheaters how a system works it gives them insight on how to reverse engineer it.
So the decision:
tell the customers to quell the outrage and overall please the customers that something was done about it at the cost of the system becoming cracked and having to constantly revamp it until you run out of options.
or
Don't tell the customers to allow the system to work efficiently as possible for as long as possible slowing the cracker creep at the cost of leaving customers outrageed for the better sake of the entire game eventually resulting in a lower player base.
Tough decision.
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Friend:
WD support is good if they are lacking in damage/they have a good ammount of toughness already to servive on their own.
WW/Sol barb is an al around good build if you are running with heavy aoe that will benefit from tight grouping and provide CC immunity.
Globe Barb: if your running with a DPS that's dependant on globe pick up for power increase or has very very very low recovery but high damage (glass canons)
Girlfriend:
WW/Sol barb is an al around good build that's easy to play with and it makes it easier on the other players since you can keep everything in one place easier than other support classes allowing your party member to just stand there and damage away without a whole lot of worry of getting smacked in the face to death.
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Definitely Deathseer's Cowl
Much better alternatives available for helm slots than a chance to charm an undead enemy considering most of them do garbage damage and are slow anyways.
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Not sure where you guys are getting these ideas from but there are only 7 rewards total:
6 class pennants
1 set of wings
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One thing you guys have to consider that I'm not seeing mentioned the entire time since the stash space was mentioned is how taxing it is to a server. Giving you 5 more tabs all at once for all the accounts is a lot of stuff to store on a server. I'm guessing it falls in line with their plans to expand their server space.
I can see the point everyone is making but I myself like to earn my rewards, that's just how it's always been in diablo.
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I actually thought of that for PVP. I wanted to play it with my brothers but It was so unfair. One cluster arrow and my brother was toast lol. However, I don't want PVP for the game because I've seen what it's like trying to balance a game based on two different play modes of PVP and PVE, it will never be balanced and the story of nurfing and buffing skills just starts all over again.
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This is actually reverse of what happens. You're right to a certain extent but that's not how the events play out. And it's also where the problem lies. With using wow as an example it wasn't just hybrid builds in the same sense of your previous example of frost-fire mage. It was a matter of choosing anything other than layout X makes you an idiot and every other choice can't come to raid with us. The same thing happened in season 4. Talent choices however should be on a situational basis and that will never change as long as new encounter mechanics come out (same with D3(new bosses, mobs, enemy abilities etc). I think where we are mis communicating is your stating the problem lies with one result instead of the problem being the system that caused several results that lead to one state of a game. The problem was that the talent trees made it impossible to balance the abilities themselves which lead the developers playing a constant battle of nerfing and buffing skills until they decided to just deal away with the system that caused half of the specs within a game to be very poorly represented simply because it didn't do the most damage.
Which leads us to the changes to the items we've been seeing. Diablo since day one has always tried to enforce a sense of diversity in builds as far as the skills and classes used. So you can see why there is no similar option to what happened in WoW (changing talent trees altogether). SO that leaves them with two options. They can keep repeating the same mistake they made in another game that caused a very similar problem by nerfing and buffing skills or they can change the items themselves and allow more class and set representation. The latter is the better option for everyone even though it destroys something that the top performers do on a regular basis: find the top build. In the end Quin and other builders will still be competitive with better representation of all of the classes and set. Because your skill, time and dedication as well as your build should decide who's the better player. Not whether you are playing "the right build" or not.