The wall in which you make the hole, looks kinda like it was made years after the rest of the temple, and almost like it was made to stop someone getting in, or prehaps out. Seeing as how Tyrael thanks you for freeing him.
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His first line is I thank you, mortal, for me freedom.
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[I']I thank you, mortal, for my freedom. But I did expect you earlier. I am the Archangel Tyrael. I came here to prevent Diablo from freeing his brother, Baal. But I have failed. Now, Terror and Destruction roam free throughout your world. Even now, they head towards the Eastern capital of Kurast - to the very heart of the Zakarum Temple. There they hope to find their eldest brother, Mephisto, the Lord of Hatred who was imprisoned there ages ago. If the three Prime Evils unite, they will be invincible. Though it is unclear as to what their aims are, it is certain that they must be stopped at all costs. I am broken and the energies that tie me to this world are diminishing rapidly. You must take up this quest and prevent the Three Brothers from reuniting. You must cross the sea and search for Diablo and Baal in Kurast. Now hurry, mortal… Time is running out for all of us!
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Prehaps it is possible that Diablo walled up the chamber. Though I am not sure as too why. Prehaps to create the illusion Baal was still inside. But then Tyrael would be able to testify against that. Unless, for some unknown reason, Tyrael was unable to free himself from the now walled up chamber. Baal possessed a magic to stop Tyrael from entering the Worldstone chamber.
Hmm, prehaps it was Baal that walled Tyrael up in the chamber. Tyrael, Diablo (still the wanderer at this point) and Baal are in the chamber at the same time and Tyrael fights both Prime Evils, after telling Marius to get his ass over to Kurast. Tyrael is strong, but I don't think he could defeat Diablo and Baal at the same time.
What is Tyrael's speech when you met him in act II? anyone got a copy of it?
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Diablo's soulstone is gone, that is fact. So that leaves two. The majority of Mephisto's was also smashed, their is no evidence to support the theory that the smaller shards of mephisto's soulstone, present in each of the 12 council members of the Zakarum hold enough of Mephisto's essence for him to manifest in any one of them, so that counts out his soulstone.
Thus we are left with Baal's. There is no conclusive evidence to suggest his stone was destroyed. So it can be construed that his stone is still unaccounted for. Though many fans believe his stone was destroyed when the player steps through the portal named Destruction's End.
It has been prove on many occassions that Prime Evils can exist and function without a soulstone, it is not so much a power booster as it is a prison. All three Prime Evils walked the realm of Sanctuary for many years if not a century before being captured in the prison like Soulstone, from that point on, it became necessary for them to acquire a "host" body from which to escape the soulstone.
Upon being killed their essence returns to the soulstone (as seen in the epilogue movie of DII) at which point if the stone is placed into a new host the Prime Evil inside can escape his prison. Or Alternatively the stone can be destroyed (only at Hellforge of course (a little "One ring/fire of Mordor" complex going on here)), which will send the essence of the Prime Evil trapped inside back to from whence it came, the Black Abyss, and there it will remain until either it is freed by an outside force, or it frees itself. Once back in the Abyss, it is theorised, (but never confirmed or denied by Blizzard) that the Prime Evil or Evils, as the case may be, are much like they were within a soulstone, a prisoner. A whole prisoner, one with a body, a mind and soul (err essence).
Layman's terms, it would be like if you fell into a big hole. Your still as you were outside the hole.
But to get back to your point about multiple Prime Evils trying to live/feed/exist off the same host body. I think it's like the Go'uld in Stargate. You have one per Jaffa (or a human on occasion).
I like the fact your thinking, but that idea seems a little bit much if not silly. 3 Evils, 3 bodies, means 3 different fights, or maybe 1 fight against 3 seperate monsters at the same time. Your idea seems like just one fight, or possibly a really long one with multiple phases, ala Ganondorf/Ganon or a Chromatic Demon.
The necromancers practice of necromancy, has garned them a rather unfavoured reputation, and has somewhat driven them into isolation but it is said isolation that allowed them to further their studies without the "moral police" busting their door down, so if necromancers, despite their necessity in order to keep balance, would someone outside of the underground city (who's name I can never seem to find but seems to be somewhere nearish to Ureh and Mt. Nymyr) be shunned and ridiculed for sacrilege or defilement of the dead? I can't say I would be to fond of someone digging up my dead grandfather (or great grandfater for that matter) and experimenting on his body in some ritual, even if the purpose was simply to gain further knowledge (nothing weird or sick like necrophilia or cannibalism).
Gheed doesn't seem to be too forthcoming with Necromancers, he seems to hate them, but he doesn't really give a full, or complete answer as to why? That has always struck me as odd. Why they are so disliked. And would someone not originally a member of the Rathman society, be shunned for developing a taste for necromantic arts?
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The Cinematics and NPC dialogs would suggest they only ventured into Lut Gohlein and the desert. There is no mention of them going anywhere near the Sanctuary. And least not that I can recall.
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Each time a door is closed another two open it seems.
While interesting beyond question, prehaps the nature of worldstone and the effects of it's destruction has on the world had best be kept out of this thread, until a conclusion, definiative and official answer can be concocted. We could be here all day coming up with answers.
Deckard Cain, judging by both is accent and skin tone, is clearly not a resident of Khanduras. his accent is some what scottish, as was the sorcerer in Diablo 1. Deckard Cain is the last of the Horadrim. The Horadrim is an alliance of mage clans, not a clan itself. The sorcerer from Diablo 1 was a Vizjerei. So does this mean that in addition to being a member of the Horadrim, is Deckard Cain also a Vezjerei?
The clans did split up again at some point, which means new mebers born into the clans would not be Horadrim, as the organisation no longer exists. But those who were once part of that alliance could still call themselves Horadrim. I think it is this situation that both Cain and Tyrael refer to when they say that Cain is the last of the Horadrim. He is the last living member (of any clan) to be a Horadrim.
Take the diablo3.com clan SICK, say it was to disband (*shudders at the very thought*), and all the members were to leave but myself, I would then now be standing before you in all my glory, the last living member of SICK.
But to get back to my earlier point. Cain and his similarities to the Vizjerei clan members. Prehaps I am asking yet another unanswerable question, but is it possible he is a Vizjerei?
Any you guys would recommend to read first?
My memory is a little hazy, but I would recommend the Sin War trilogy first, followed by playing Diablo 1, then proceed to Diablo 2, while simultaneously reading Legacy of Blood, The Black Road and Kingdom of Shadow, which are set in a parallel time line, to Diablo II.
Solomir or Atrumentis (as well as others should be able to point you i nthe right direction in regards to chronology of both novels and games.
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The World event of the Ubers, (and thus Lilith in-game, which differs from Lilith in lore), is hard to state as offical, personally, as it borders more on an extra, easter egg, bonusy thing, I don't count it as lore.
There is but one Diablo. No clones, or beefed up versions.
but I am digressing, Tyrael himself has stated the effects of his destroying of the worldstone are unknown at this point, what you suggest could be correct, yet conversely, it could also be wrong. As I said before, certain questions in this thread may go unanswered or half answered for some time.
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Either it is assumed she is one of the bodies in Tristram, as is Pepin, Gillian, Ogden and Farnham. BUt since Tristram in Diablo II is limited to the main centre, you do not see her shack, or even the ruins of her shack. So it is possible she is alive. The SUpposed 1.12 patch, aka the Adria Patch, added further speculation about the character, as it was said she was to appear as a Tortured SOul somewhere in the first 3 stages of Act IV.
Atrumentis, That was my point. I was only missing the quote.
but i also didnt know her shack became up in one day and right before diablo showed up.
Is an incorrect statement. Shack in a day, yeah, that lore, Cain says so. But she did not show up and build her shack before Diablo got to Tristram.
Would need to do some reviewing of the source material, but I think Diablo was captured 100 years before he possesses Albrecht's body.
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Someone said she shouldn't up a day beofre Diablo got there.
Now if the said she showed up a day bofore weird things began happening, and monsters were seen around the cathedral, that would have been a better statement.
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That doesn't seem right. Since most people in Tristram are ignorant to the fact Diablo has been locked in a soulstone in a labyrinth beneath Tristram for years.
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I don't think the armies of Lucifer have a name. other than Hell's Army, or variations of.
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It's like the Night Elf Army is called the Sentinels.
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If anyone remembers the lore of Mephisto, it is said that his soulstone was shattered into many pieces (12 I believe), the one in the cinametic is the largest of the pieces, not the entire soulstone.
I remember the lore, I cite it more than most. But as many have said on multiple occassions, there is no proof that the shards of Mephisto soulstone contain enough of his essence for him to manifest in any of them other than the one from which he did manifest, and that was the one destroyed in the cinematic. Also there is no evidence you can put a soulstone back together. If you could, why bother with the whole Tal Rasha thing? why not just "reuse" the part Baal broke?
But I am not here to have a lore debate, such is the nature of this thread, some questions may not come to complete, or full answers, bound to be some half answers, or vague answers.
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0:33-35 Marius admits there is one soulstone left (And he is holding it).
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Hmm, prehaps it was Baal that walled Tyrael up in the chamber. Tyrael, Diablo (still the wanderer at this point) and Baal are in the chamber at the same time and Tyrael fights both Prime Evils, after telling Marius to get his ass over to Kurast. Tyrael is strong, but I don't think he could defeat Diablo and Baal at the same time.
What is Tyrael's speech when you met him in act II? anyone got a copy of it?
Thus we are left with Baal's. There is no conclusive evidence to suggest his stone was destroyed. So it can be construed that his stone is still unaccounted for. Though many fans believe his stone was destroyed when the player steps through the portal named Destruction's End.
It has been prove on many occassions that Prime Evils can exist and function without a soulstone, it is not so much a power booster as it is a prison. All three Prime Evils walked the realm of Sanctuary for many years if not a century before being captured in the prison like Soulstone, from that point on, it became necessary for them to acquire a "host" body from which to escape the soulstone.
Upon being killed their essence returns to the soulstone (as seen in the epilogue movie of DII) at which point if the stone is placed into a new host the Prime Evil inside can escape his prison. Or Alternatively the stone can be destroyed (only at Hellforge of course (a little "One ring/fire of Mordor" complex going on here)), which will send the essence of the Prime Evil trapped inside back to from whence it came, the Black Abyss, and there it will remain until either it is freed by an outside force, or it frees itself. Once back in the Abyss, it is theorised, (but never confirmed or denied by Blizzard) that the Prime Evil or Evils, as the case may be, are much like they were within a soulstone, a prisoner. A whole prisoner, one with a body, a mind and soul (err essence).
Layman's terms, it would be like if you fell into a big hole. Your still as you were outside the hole.
But to get back to your point about multiple Prime Evils trying to live/feed/exist off the same host body. I think it's like the Go'uld in Stargate. You have one per Jaffa (or a human on occasion).
I like the fact your thinking, but that idea seems a little bit much if not silly. 3 Evils, 3 bodies, means 3 different fights, or maybe 1 fight against 3 seperate monsters at the same time. Your idea seems like just one fight, or possibly a really long one with multiple phases, ala Ganondorf/Ganon or a Chromatic Demon.
The necromancers practice of necromancy, has garned them a rather unfavoured reputation, and has somewhat driven them into isolation but it is said isolation that allowed them to further their studies without the "moral police" busting their door down, so if necromancers, despite their necessity in order to keep balance, would someone outside of the underground city (who's name I can never seem to find but seems to be somewhere nearish to Ureh and Mt. Nymyr) be shunned and ridiculed for sacrilege or defilement of the dead? I can't say I would be to fond of someone digging up my dead grandfather (or great grandfater for that matter) and experimenting on his body in some ritual, even if the purpose was simply to gain further knowledge (nothing weird or sick like necrophilia or cannibalism).
Gheed doesn't seem to be too forthcoming with Necromancers, he seems to hate them, but he doesn't really give a full, or complete answer as to why? That has always struck me as odd. Why they are so disliked. And would someone not originally a member of the Rathman society, be shunned for developing a taste for necromantic arts?
While interesting beyond question, prehaps the nature of worldstone and the effects of it's destruction has on the world had best be kept out of this thread, until a conclusion, definiative and official answer can be concocted. We could be here all day coming up with answers.
Deckard Cain, judging by both is accent and skin tone, is clearly not a resident of Khanduras. his accent is some what scottish, as was the sorcerer in Diablo 1. Deckard Cain is the last of the Horadrim. The Horadrim is an alliance of mage clans, not a clan itself. The sorcerer from Diablo 1 was a Vizjerei. So does this mean that in addition to being a member of the Horadrim, is Deckard Cain also a Vezjerei?
The clans did split up again at some point, which means new mebers born into the clans would not be Horadrim, as the organisation no longer exists. But those who were once part of that alliance could still call themselves Horadrim. I think it is this situation that both Cain and Tyrael refer to when they say that Cain is the last of the Horadrim. He is the last living member (of any clan) to be a Horadrim.
Take the diablo3.com clan SICK, say it was to disband (*shudders at the very thought*), and all the members were to leave but myself, I would then now be standing before you in all my glory, the last living member of SICK.
But to get back to my earlier point. Cain and his similarities to the Vizjerei clan members. Prehaps I am asking yet another unanswerable question, but is it possible he is a Vizjerei?
My memory is a little hazy, but I would recommend the Sin War trilogy first, followed by playing Diablo 1, then proceed to Diablo 2, while simultaneously reading Legacy of Blood, The Black Road and Kingdom of Shadow, which are set in a parallel time line, to Diablo II.
Solomir or Atrumentis (as well as others should be able to point you i nthe right direction in regards to chronology of both novels and games.
There is but one Diablo. No clones, or beefed up versions.
but I am digressing, Tyrael himself has stated the effects of his destroying of the worldstone are unknown at this point, what you suggest could be correct, yet conversely, it could also be wrong. As I said before, certain questions in this thread may go unanswered or half answered for some time.
Atrumentis, That was my point. I was only missing the quote.
Is an incorrect statement. Shack in a day, yeah, that lore, Cain says so. But she did not show up and build her shack before Diablo got to Tristram.
Would need to do some reviewing of the source material, but I think Diablo was captured 100 years before he possesses Albrecht's body.
Now if the said she showed up a day bofore weird things began happening, and monsters were seen around the cathedral, that would have been a better statement.
I don't think the armies of Lucifer have a name. other than Hell's Army, or variations of.
It's like the Night Elf Army is called the Sentinels.
I remember the lore, I cite it more than most. But as many have said on multiple occassions, there is no proof that the shards of Mephisto soulstone contain enough of his essence for him to manifest in any of them other than the one from which he did manifest, and that was the one destroyed in the cinematic. Also there is no evidence you can put a soulstone back together. If you could, why bother with the whole Tal Rasha thing? why not just "reuse" the part Baal broke?
But I am not here to have a lore debate, such is the nature of this thread, some questions may not come to complete, or full answers, bound to be some half answers, or vague answers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHDQ-vViCw8
0:27 Mephisto's soulstone destroyed
0:31 Diablo's soulstone destroyed
0:33-35 Marius admits there is one soulstone left (And he is holding it).