I agree with your first idea; Man if i knew people who already had a key were getting another, it would definitely discourage me, but I try to not think of those sort of things. Talking to themselves on two different computers? Dang that would be a sight to see; if they are that desperate my hats' off to them.
I don't like any contests where the winning entry is subjective, like the caption contest, what's funny/informative/useful is very subjective and just causes problems.
I agree. But it isn't our site and if they choose to run contests like the caption contest or this post contest then we're just going to have to site back and go for the ride. I personally think that conests that are subjective are bad for the community, especially contests like this. (Although I still relesh the opportunity to get my hands on a key.)
I am glad that they are taking the multi-IP issue into consideration but to me it still isn't enough to level the playing feild. I guess what I would need is an understanding on how IP's are registered with the site and if they get some sort of multi-account per IP warning.
I feel this conest in particular, has a high risk of leaving a sour taste in the mouths of its dedicated users, specifically if they aren't selected as a winner. I say this because the forums are going to become flooded with posts on each and every topic you can think of and this means more garbage for the Mods to sift through which is going to make it harder for people who have been actively posting and contributing to this site for months/years to win.
I also feel like this contest is going to give people who have a limited amount of time a disadvantage (I not being one). Someone who can sit infront of the computer for hours a day is going to have a massive advantage over someone who only has a few minutes. Now I know people are going to say, "well, if they dont have time to post, then they don't have time to play", but that to is unfair. A large majority of keys (i'm assuming) are going to be given out during the week and for those people who have jobs, kids or any other daily activity that keeps the from logging in isn't going to have the ablitly to keep up with the influx of posts.
I just seriously doesn't make sense to me why you'd force people to post random useless crap they never would have cared to share before. It REALLY reminds me of my online classes during college where 10% of our grade was about our forum posts. People would post the most useless crap just because they had to.
And quite honestly... i do notlike the way this site is today with all the newbies... Its the same crap over and over. Same topics we discuess over and over... and its spammy as all can be... wtf?
I just seriously doesn't make sense to me why you'd force people to post random useless crap they never would have cared to share before. It REALLY reminds me of my online classes during college where 10% of our grade was about our forum posts. People would post the most useless crap just because they had to.
And quite honestly... i do notlike the way this site is today with all the newbies... Its the same crap over and over. Same topics we discuess over and over... and its spammy as all can be... wtf?
I think this is a side effect of them trying to generate site traffic for ad gernerated income. Its a good idea from a business stand point, because its going to attrack a lot of new people to the site and forums. For example sake, say this contest generates 10,000 new users and only say a 1/10 of them stick around after this contest is over, thats 1,000 new users they've drawn to their daily user base.
But I dont think they only had money on the mind when they came up with the latest contest. I think they might be stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to giving out beta keys, I mean, what other possible ways can they give out 450 keys fairly?
I just seriously doesn't make sense to me why you'd force people to post random useless crap they never would have cared to share before. It REALLY reminds me of my online classes during college where 10% of our grade was about our forum posts. People would post the most useless crap just because they had to.
And quite honestly... i do notlike the way this site is today with all the newbies... Its the same crap over and over. Same topics we discuess over and over... and its spammy as all can be... wtf?
I think this is a side effect of them trying to generate site traffic for ad gernerated income. Its a good idea from a business stand point, because its going to attrack a lot of new people to the site and forums. For example sake, say this contest generates 10,000 new users and only say a 1/10 of them stick around after this contest is over, thats 1,000 new users they've drawn to their daily user base.
But I dont think they only had money on the mind when they came up with the latest contest. I think they might be stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to giving out beta keys, I mean, what other possible ways can they give out 450 keys fairly?
At least give 50 of the 200 to previous active members on a purely lottery basis. Show member appreciation.
I come to this site everyday to read up on how to win a beta key and such. Always has to do with facebook ! lol i dont have facebook so im screwed everytime! I think its a good idea since people like me who dont get involved with twitter and facebook have a chance of getting a beta key. Worth a shot to me!
I remember when they did a guide writing contest on MMO-champ -they created an entire new sub-forum for the guides to be posted in. Maybe that was the way to go in the future.
But I guess the reason to do such a contest like this one isn't to reward old members, but rather recruit new ones (or get regular lurkers like me to come forth).
I remember when they did a guide writing contest on MMO-champ -they created an entire new sub-forum for the guides to be posted in. Maybe that was the way to go in the future.
But I guess the reason to do such a contest like this one isn't to reward old members, but rather recruit new ones (or get regular lurkers like me to come forth).
Which is bad for the forums... no offense... but if you never cared to post before... you never should. Its like forcing people to vote....
I suppose because they are closing all the other threads that disagree with there attempt at rationalizing the worst decision ever created on this site.... I should bump this one again.
You created this fucking contest for the sole reason of drawing in more revenue and did not give a flying fuck about your members. Normally I'm pro capitalism and would understand this... but this a fan site.
Pretty new to the forums, but christ, you need to chill, Sabvre.
It's selfish to even propose that simply because you've been here the longest, you should earn special priviledges. In my eyes, at least. Plus I'm not sure if Blizzard set any rules on how these keys were to be handed out (probably not, but who knows), could be one reason to justify the "post contest".
It's how the world works, pointless/waste of energy and time to rant about it. No'one makes you come here, though I can appreciate good users as the next lad.
edit: Damn. Didn't notice the post got so long. TL;DR - I complain about the contest. Sorry for the size, I guess I'm passionate about this. :]
Why? Why does the most prestigious fansite on Diablo, named Diablofans not want to cater to its fans. The last time you gave out beta keys you relied on subjective humor and paint/photoshop skills. For the second one - some have it, some don't - everyone can try though. The first one? Well that's entirely up to the few people running the site. So basically it's wasn't "the best captions win", as it wasn't debatable, but it was "the caption that the few of us who own the site acknowledge as humor wins". Ok, that's fair - you own the site so... I suppose it's not too unfair, considering after all that you're giving out Beta keys and not keys to the Buckingham palace. It intrigued me however, that it wasn't really about the fans, was it?
And this time? "The guys that have enough time to refresh our Facebook and Twitter pages throughout the whole day will have a chance of winning, assuming all the Diablo knowledge is engraved in their heads, because they won't have time to double check when the opportunity arises, get a key!"
And you don't see nothing wrong with that? I really, really do not want to, yet again, complain on giving out keys, but at least I want to know if other people feel the same way about things, as I do. You received 450 keys, and instead of giving them out on fans you prefer to generate revenue, telling new people that "now is the time to register and spam our forums". What about all the "constructive" posts that exist right now? I'm not saying I deserve a key for what posts I've done, even if, just to keep my dignity, I do admit I refer to some of my posts here as being informative and constructive (aside from this one and others like it). But there are THOUSANDS of brilliant posts that I myself, and many other like me, consume on a daily basis. And they all spring out without the site leadership encouraging it. It's almost as if people just love the game and like talking about it and thinking about it. So how wouldn't it have been fair to give them some keys? Even 100 of them. Even 50. Like, going out there and saying: "Hey Diablo fans, because you're such a loyal and lovable bunch we've decided to distribute 50 keys among some of our greatest posters. Cheers to you!"
I don't even know what to say about the Twitter/FB contests. They are quite beyond "the fans of our site" going into the "people that generally like video games and remember a few details that emerged around the announcement of Diablo 3 that happened to be in the right place, at the right time". I don't even get the Twitter/FB trend that sites have these days. Why do you need thousand of followers on those sites? People that go around on Twitter a lot will follow you on Twitter and come to the site through links there, generating revenue for the site as they do. But people that just, actually, visit this site everyday? Why do they need to create accounts and follow you, when they're already generating revenue right here?
I understand that Blizz can give out keys as they like. They gave out a hundred thousand keys to Americans, with promises that "other localizations are soon to follow". Three weeks later I'm sure the localized servers haven't even been assembled yet. But when it comes to the fansites I assumed the first hundred people would've been the actual fans.
Honestly, I'm not mad or angry, or too annoyed, so people like Fuzzy up there don't need to tell me to chill. But when I browse the forums and see people with 900+ posts that go "yeah, haven't had luck with the keys yet :<" it just, truthfully, breaks my heart. I'm simply bewildered as to what the "fans" part of the site's name stands for. As it's certainly not about the type of people I quoted 2 sentences back.
The saddest part is that, over my not-so-long time spent on this site (half a year + a few without an account) I've seen almost the entire moderation team grow up from normal posters to employees and Boub taking over the site was, in my opinion, one of the greatest decisions Curse have made. So where are these contest ideas coming from?
(No, this post is not about me, as even if I don't have a key I've had a generous friend letting me in on more than a few occasions.)
To the post above me... everyone has a price... and the development team said well give you beta keys, but we want you to jump... diablofans responded "how high?"
To the post above me... everyone has a price... and the development team said well give you beta keys, but we want you to jump... diablofans responded "how high?"
I would have been fine if Diablo fans had given away 450 keys to random people without announcing it. I would have been fine if they were all noobs. My complaint is that they bannered themselves in a way as to draw in 5-10x their normal userbase. This completely dilutes the odds of the LONG TIME members to nill.
I had better odds of getting into that 100K opt-in (which i didn't) than i do of getting a random key now. And this is because of the management of the site deciding to money grab.
I am always on this site... at work... at home ... on my phone. But i didn't lurk.. i posted. I didn't just leech... i contributed. Lurkers != community. Posters = community.
By using their bullshit attempt at converting lurkers to posters they screwed over their long time contributers and they created a site full of pointless... redundant topics and posts. I have been a long time fan boy of diablofans and championed their cause... but this is just complete BULLSHIT. This is by far the worst decision the site has ever made!
I would have been fine if Diablo fans had given away 450 keys to random people without announcing it. I would have been fine if they were all noobs.
This, in my opinion, is absolutely the best way to do it. Also add a rule that "registering only for the contest will not work". After all, who are you giving keys to? The community? Or absolutely every living man alive? So why is this a fansite if it's the second? Isn't this Blizz's way of saying "guys, we gave keys to the biggest websites so that you don't judge us on giving them out too randomly to, for example, people that only play SC2 or WoW, or even people's 3rd and 4th accounts", and then the fansites go ahead and actually don't give keys to the fans. It's really sad.
If Blizz wanted to do that they would've just given them to IGN or Gamespot. At least that's my logic. If you only want to make noise about the keys and stay aloft with the headlines then just give me out to whoever is writing the headlines. These 450 keys seem like they were a gesture towards the actual fanbase.
I think the problem here is that most people think the simply have to get a beta key, just becouse...well they are special in their minds. If your a long time member - do your thing, contribute to the community and you have a chance of winning.
Sure there are plenty of people here, and on other D3 fansites right now that just are trying every possible way to max out their chances of getting a beta key.
In the end let me tell you this - there is going to be a lot of angry, desperate people that spended their whole week in front of the PC, refreshing websites, clicking here and there, posting 3 liners on forums that still didnt get a key.
It's just an fun opportunity not someting you are entitled to.
Says the person that joined trying to milk a free key...
No we are not entitled to a key. You are right. However, longtime members are in fact entitled to some recognition for their contributions. This is a money grab and nothing else.
I don't think its a bad deal at all. It gives a chance for people to get a Beta key they have been waiting to play for a loooooooong time. Everyone wants to Play Diablo and wants it as soon as possible. The Contest for Beta Keys is a great idea and then people will have a chance to get a Beta key and play Diablo 3!!!!
I would have been fine if Diablo fans had given away 450 keys to random people without announcing it. I would have been fine if they were all noobs.
This, in my opinion, is absolutely the best way to do it. Also add a rule that "registering only for the contest will not work". After all, who are you giving keys to? The community? Or absolutely every living man alive? So why is this a fansite if it's the second? Isn't this Blizz's way of saying "guys, we gave keys to the biggest websites so that you don't judge us on giving them out too randomly to, for example, people that only play SC2 or WoW, or even people's 3rd and 4th accounts", and then the fansites go ahead and actually don't give keys to the fans. It's really sad.
If Blizz wanted to do that they would've just given them to IGN or Gamespot. At least that's my logic. If you only want to make noise about the keys and stay aloft with the headlines then just give me out to whoever is writing the headlines. These 450 keys seem like they were a gesture towards the actual fanbase.
You need to clarify one thing in your post. -> Contributing members <-
Lurkers are going to argue that they are fans... and they very well maybe. However, for all we know they only checked this site once in a great while and in stead frequented the other sites. Or that they only checked once a month... etc.
Lurkers do not contribute to the community, but they get our banter from our conversations.
I don't think its a bad deal at all. It gives a chance for people to get a Beta key they have been waiting to play for a loooooooong time. Everyone wants to Play Diablo and wants it as soon as possible. The Contest for Beta Keys is a great idea and then people will have a chance to get a Beta key and play Diablo 3!!!!
Give me a valid reason why the politics behind this contest are better than alternate solutions. Why should people just qualify for a key for being a random person? Don't you think that fansites should actually reward THEIR members for being part of the community?
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I agree. But it isn't our site and if they choose to run contests like the caption contest or this post contest then we're just going to have to site back and go for the ride. I personally think that conests that are subjective are bad for the community, especially contests like this. (Although I still relesh the opportunity to get my hands on a key.)
I am glad that they are taking the multi-IP issue into consideration but to me it still isn't enough to level the playing feild. I guess what I would need is an understanding on how IP's are registered with the site and if they get some sort of multi-account per IP warning.
I feel this conest in particular, has a high risk of leaving a sour taste in the mouths of its dedicated users, specifically if they aren't selected as a winner. I say this because the forums are going to become flooded with posts on each and every topic you can think of and this means more garbage for the Mods to sift through which is going to make it harder for people who have been actively posting and contributing to this site for months/years to win.
I also feel like this contest is going to give people who have a limited amount of time a disadvantage (I not being one). Someone who can sit infront of the computer for hours a day is going to have a massive advantage over someone who only has a few minutes. Now I know people are going to say, "well, if they dont have time to post, then they don't have time to play", but that to is unfair. A large majority of keys (i'm assuming) are going to be given out during the week and for those people who have jobs, kids or any other daily activity that keeps the from logging in isn't going to have the ablitly to keep up with the influx of posts.
<shrug>
I dunno, it's just my take on the matter.
And quite honestly... i do notlike the way this site is today with all the newbies... Its the same crap over and over. Same topics we discuess over and over... and its spammy as all can be... wtf?
I think this is a side effect of them trying to generate site traffic for ad gernerated income. Its a good idea from a business stand point, because its going to attrack a lot of new people to the site and forums. For example sake, say this contest generates 10,000 new users and only say a 1/10 of them stick around after this contest is over, thats 1,000 new users they've drawn to their daily user base.
But I dont think they only had money on the mind when they came up with the latest contest. I think they might be stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to giving out beta keys, I mean, what other possible ways can they give out 450 keys fairly?
At least give 50 of the 200 to previous active members on a purely lottery basis. Show member appreciation.
This might work. But what would you consider 'previous'? How long does a member have to be a member, to be included in the lottery?
at least 30 days?
But I guess the reason to do such a contest like this one isn't to reward old members, but rather recruit new ones (or get regular lurkers like me to come forth).
Which is bad for the forums... no offense... but if you never cared to post before... you never should. Its like forcing people to vote....
You created this fucking contest for the sole reason of drawing in more revenue and did not give a flying fuck about your members. Normally I'm pro capitalism and would understand this... but this a fan site.
WTF
It's selfish to even propose that simply because you've been here the longest, you should earn special priviledges. In my eyes, at least. Plus I'm not sure if Blizzard set any rules on how these keys were to be handed out (probably not, but who knows), could be one reason to justify the "post contest".
It's how the world works, pointless/waste of energy and time to rant about it. No'one makes you come here, though I can appreciate good users as the next lad.
Why? Why does the most prestigious fansite on Diablo, named Diablofans not want to cater to its fans. The last time you gave out beta keys you relied on subjective humor and paint/photoshop skills. For the second one - some have it, some don't - everyone can try though. The first one? Well that's entirely up to the few people running the site. So basically it's wasn't "the best captions win", as it wasn't debatable, but it was "the caption that the few of us who own the site acknowledge as humor wins". Ok, that's fair - you own the site so... I suppose it's not too unfair, considering after all that you're giving out Beta keys and not keys to the Buckingham palace. It intrigued me however, that it wasn't really about the fans, was it?
And this time? "The guys that have enough time to refresh our Facebook and Twitter pages throughout the whole day will have a chance of winning, assuming all the Diablo knowledge is engraved in their heads, because they won't have time to double check when the opportunity arises, get a key!"
And you don't see nothing wrong with that? I really, really do not want to, yet again, complain on giving out keys, but at least I want to know if other people feel the same way about things, as I do. You received 450 keys, and instead of giving them out on fans you prefer to generate revenue, telling new people that "now is the time to register and spam our forums". What about all the "constructive" posts that exist right now? I'm not saying I deserve a key for what posts I've done, even if, just to keep my dignity, I do admit I refer to some of my posts here as being informative and constructive (aside from this one and others like it). But there are THOUSANDS of brilliant posts that I myself, and many other like me, consume on a daily basis. And they all spring out without the site leadership encouraging it. It's almost as if people just love the game and like talking about it and thinking about it. So how wouldn't it have been fair to give them some keys? Even 100 of them. Even 50. Like, going out there and saying: "Hey Diablo fans, because you're such a loyal and lovable bunch we've decided to distribute 50 keys among some of our greatest posters. Cheers to you!"
I don't even know what to say about the Twitter/FB contests. They are quite beyond "the fans of our site" going into the "people that generally like video games and remember a few details that emerged around the announcement of Diablo 3 that happened to be in the right place, at the right time". I don't even get the Twitter/FB trend that sites have these days. Why do you need thousand of followers on those sites? People that go around on Twitter a lot will follow you on Twitter and come to the site through links there, generating revenue for the site as they do. But people that just, actually, visit this site everyday? Why do they need to create accounts and follow you, when they're already generating revenue right here?
I understand that Blizz can give out keys as they like. They gave out a hundred thousand keys to Americans, with promises that "other localizations are soon to follow". Three weeks later I'm sure the localized servers haven't even been assembled yet. But when it comes to the fansites I assumed the first hundred people would've been the actual fans.
Honestly, I'm not mad or angry, or too annoyed, so people like Fuzzy up there don't need to tell me to chill. But when I browse the forums and see people with 900+ posts that go "yeah, haven't had luck with the keys yet :<" it just, truthfully, breaks my heart. I'm simply bewildered as to what the "fans" part of the site's name stands for. As it's certainly not about the type of people I quoted 2 sentences back.
The saddest part is that, over my not-so-long time spent on this site (half a year + a few without an account) I've seen almost the entire moderation team grow up from normal posters to employees and Boub taking over the site was, in my opinion, one of the greatest decisions Curse have made. So where are these contest ideas coming from?
(No, this post is not about me, as even if I don't have a key I've had a generous friend letting me in on more than a few occasions.)
Ha. Bagstone.
I would have been fine if Diablo fans had given away 450 keys to random people without announcing it. I would have been fine if they were all noobs. My complaint is that they bannered themselves in a way as to draw in 5-10x their normal userbase. This completely dilutes the odds of the LONG TIME members to nill.
I had better odds of getting into that 100K opt-in (which i didn't) than i do of getting a random key now. And this is because of the management of the site deciding to money grab.
I am always on this site... at work... at home ... on my phone. But i didn't lurk.. i posted. I didn't just leech... i contributed. Lurkers != community. Posters = community.
By using their bullshit attempt at converting lurkers to posters they screwed over their long time contributers and they created a site full of pointless... redundant topics and posts. I have been a long time fan boy of diablofans and championed their cause... but this is just complete BULLSHIT. This is by far the worst decision the site has ever made!
If Blizz wanted to do that they would've just given them to IGN or Gamespot. At least that's my logic. If you only want to make noise about the keys and stay aloft with the headlines then just give me out to whoever is writing the headlines. These 450 keys seem like they were a gesture towards the actual fanbase.
Ha. Bagstone.
Says the person that joined trying to milk a free key...
No we are not entitled to a key. You are right. However, longtime members are in fact entitled to some recognition for their contributions. This is a money grab and nothing else.
You need to clarify one thing in your post. -> Contributing members <-
Lurkers are going to argue that they are fans... and they very well maybe. However, for all we know they only checked this site once in a great while and in stead frequented the other sites. Or that they only checked once a month... etc.
Lurkers do not contribute to the community, but they get our banter from our conversations.
Give me a valid reason why the politics behind this contest are better than alternate solutions. Why should people just qualify for a key for being a random person? Don't you think that fansites should actually reward THEIR members for being part of the community?