Thats true, I dont think walmart even carrys ao games. I hope they make the game direct download so I dont have to drive all the way into town to get a copy (yes im a country bumpkin)
I just don't want to see cock n' balls in my face while I'm playing a video game, or in real life as a matter of fact. Also is something scarier with or without genitals? You decide
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Wonder why people aren't modding the hell out of LOD? Sorry, little off topic.
They are, google Hell Unleashed or Median 2008(<--This Better) They are insanely modded.
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Pretty sure I can count the mods for LOD on one hand. It would take all 20 fingers and toes to do BGII, and even then I wouldn't have gotten them all.
But back to the topic at hand. err where were we/ oh yeh Walmart. Yeh they sense the hell out of crap. They wouldn't stock a diablo game that was rating AO.
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Pretty sure I can count the mods for LOD on one hand. It would take all 20 fingers and toes to do BGII, and even then I wouldn't have gotten them all.
But back to the topic at hand. err where were we/ oh yeh Walmart. Yeh they sense the hell out of crap. They wouldn't stock a diablo game that was rating AO.
Ya Diablo coding is a little harder to mod then lets say, Counter strike, or SC (My god so many modded games.......) but if you haven't played Median you should give it a whirl it's pretty tough.
And also no store like Walmart or Target stocks AO games, so D3 should by M.
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Dream as if you'll live forever, and live as if you'll die today. "James Dean"
I totally agree with you Requiem too btw. With everying, including what you said about an AO Diablo. But also like with what Equinox was saying to me a while ago in another thread, there are some movies that are really messed up and are made purely to depress you. That may be a bit extreme for Diablo, but atleast we would be feeling something similar to what people living in a world thats invaded by evil would (or atleast should) be feeling. Come on, if the pure essence of hate came into our world, everyone would HATE each other, which would lead to all sorts of violence and immoral things. Same with terrorising and destroying things. It would be uncontrolable. (Like with the Rage virus in 28 Days Later).
The most messed up movie I've seen is The Butterfly Effect. It has the concept of sex, and I suppose something that resembles a sex scene or two, but the main part of it is that little kids are killing dogs and babies and each other - but its all because their dad beat one of them and raped the other. Violence is only half of it. The other half is sex.
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But in Diablo, you'll have much satisfaction killing demons who don't just kill people but rape them, too.
For some reason, that sentence really hit me. You said it really well.
So, to expand on that, our minds give the demons a lot more power potential. Our minds associate sex with other things too, like testosterone, rage, passion and violence. Now these demons don't just kill, but rape and torture too. They tortured before, but when the concept of sex is involved, torture becomes passionate and much more violent. So combining them together you have this demon who is so much more dangerous. Even dangerous for men too, because now its like territorial competition. Think of your pet dog. When he or she comes into season, you don't want them outside because they would do anything for sex. It becomes passionate. They would bark so loud their voice box would strain but they wouldn't care, they just want out.
Succubi too are associated with passion because they are sexually orientated.
Succubi are among the most zealous minions of their master. They possess an incessant craving for blood, especially that of human men, and they take to battle with a passion and a joy not often seen in demons.
I think it can be easily concluded that its their sexual desires that fuel their passion. They are the only demons in game that are associated with sex. This makes them dangerous, and scarier. I want to see more demons acting like this, don't you?
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Also is something scarier with or without genitals? You decide
I've already asked that.
Visible genitals -> sex -> passion -> more dangerous -> more scary
Hidden genitals -> more modest -> looking after self better -> dangerous but without passion
If you're passionate, you wouldn't care if your junk is showing or not.
lol, diablo's junk in your face, ew. But nah, we aren't talking about it being that obvious.
Long post, sorry, I was a way for a while, and this subject is popular.
EDIT: On a side note, I only play Hardcore, because its more realistic and so much more thrilling with the fact that I very well may die if I'm not careful.
Did you just made that up or is that what some mage said in Diablo 2?
I made it up, just as much as you did in the previous post. It was merely to state an example, not to prove anything.
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But, genitals are also used for pleasure (and excreting urine). Demons (especially followers of Azmodan) are full of sin, including lust. If I was a demon, I'd be pissed off to find that I don't have a penis lol.
That does hold true. But as I've said, excluding the Greater Evils, I can see most demons having genitals. I just don't want to
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But is it not more confronting? Does it not make you cower just that little bit more? I suppose different cultures have different views, some say its a sign of being vulnerable, others say its more... manly? But, this game is for this audience, us here, with our culture. So is it or is it not more confronting?
Your culture isn't necessarily the same as mine though
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Wonder why people aren't modding the hell out of LOD? Sorry, little off topic.
Because it's hard. NWN was made for modding, and Baldur's Gate apparently has a design better suited for it. But modding in Dialbo was just a side-effect of patch 10.9 really.
There was a mod called Shadow Empires I think that was doing a complete overhaul of Diablo with new quests, new acts, new bosses, the item system, everything. But it proves too massive to do. At least I cannot find the project anymore.
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
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Wonder why people aren't modding the hell out of LOD? Sorry, little off topic.
Disintegrated, low-quality "fanbase".
Now, with all the stuff that was discussed here...
Diablo is not a game about sex or interaction in any way or form. It is about KILLING huge amounts of w/e. And please keep it that way.
There is no reason to make the game AO, either. And I really don't care what rating a game has, but I do think Blizzard would care if they lose tons of money if they make the game AO. Drop that out. Most of you are below 18, including myself, why on earth do you need AO? It's a demon killing game, not a porn game.
Now, I am going for athmosphere/realism. Atrumentis said everything I meant to say already. And, scales don't make demons reptilian.
To Phrozen
Regarding that "you made it up" thing, I didn't make anything up. The notion of "Man was made as the image of God" is from the BIBLE. It's, like, in the first few verses of it. I don't know much about Sanctuary and how much Sanctuary follows religion, but my example had roots.
I wouldn't say that's the whole reason. Had Diablo been "modable" from the very beginning, things would have been different. But it wasn't.
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To Phrozen
Regarding that "you made it up" thing, I didn't make anything up. The notion of "Man was made as the image of God" is from the BIBLE. It's, like, in the first few verses of it. I don't know much about Sanctuary and how much Sanctuary follows religion, but my example had roots.
And once again, Sacntuary's creation has nothing to do with the Bible. Humans are the offspring of angels and demons. They were not created by God, for he doesn't exist. (I think we talked about this in another thread some time ago :))
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there is no harm to see some big boobies bouncing around.
Should I feel bad for thinking there's nothing wrong with having Andariel in the game, but hating the idea of giving Diablo visible genitals?
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
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I wouldn't say that's the whole reason. Had Diablo been "modable" from the very beginning, things would have been different. But it wasn't.
It's not an obstacle for hardcore fans. Except Diablo II's hardcore fans, especially Diablo II's gifted hardcore fans can probably be counted by the fingers of one hand...
The fans of Thief are making a Total Conversion of DooM III into their own version of Thief. A Total Conversion is a very hard project to do. And has nothing to do with the original game being moddable or anything. And that's Thief. That game never sold too swell. Diablo II is one of the best-selling games. What conclusions can I make? Weak fanbase.
The majority of Diablo's fanbase expects Blizzard to make something for them rather them to go and make something themselves...
On topic
There is no God in Sanctuary? Wow. Humans offspring of angels and demons? Shouldn't demons have genitals to make offspring, then? Or you meant something else?
I dunno, Phrozen, I think you are not so worried about the concept rather than the implementation.
Wow, Equinox, you didn't know that? Pretty much all humans are the offspring of Lilith and Inarius. I'm not sure if any other demons and angels had offspring too, but we know that atleast those two did. We don't know how they did it, but we know that they don't reproduce the same way as we do (so they don't need genitals to reproduce, but they can still have them for other reasons. I mean, why do we have them if our parents didnt? Maybe they did have them, but the way they are used changed?). However they do it, they did it, and the first generation of their children are the Nephalem, like Rathma, Bul-Kathos, Esu, etc.
I wouldn't say Diablo has nothing to do with the bible though. I mean, in some versions, Lilith was the first wife of Adam, but then she got kicked out cause she was evil or something. And in other versions, Lilith is the snake that tempted Adam to eat the apple. Well, thats probably the only main connection, but its just a name. Its not quite 0% nothing to do with the bible, but I suppose it is on the low side.
I don't really want an AO Diablo. I was only imagining it, or thinking that if it did happen then it would just be more like an alternate version than a whole new game.
Okay, I think everyone has pretty much said all there is, so I'll tally up the votes so far.
When you vote for option 2, you're also voting for option 3, you see.
So really, overall, we want to see a bit more genitals in Diablo, for whatever the reason. Not turn it into a porno, obviously (as already discussed), but just to give it a bit more realism.
The fans of Thief are making a Total Conversion of DooM III into their own version of Thief. A Total Conversion is a very hard project to do. And has nothing to do with the original game being moddable or anything. And that's Thief. That game never sold too swell. Diablo II is one of the best-selling games. What conclusions can I make? Weak fanbase.
Although that is using a different engine from the original.
I guess part of it could be due to its popularity. Why make a total conversion if you're happy with the project as it is?
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I dunno, Phrozen, I think you are not so worried about the concept rather than the implementation.
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
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Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
They are, google Hell Unleashed or Median 2008(<--This Better) They are insanely modded.
Pretty sure I can count the mods for LOD on one hand. It would take all 20 fingers and toes to do BGII, and even then I wouldn't have gotten them all.
But back to the topic at hand. err where were we/ oh yeh Walmart. Yeh they sense the hell out of crap. They wouldn't stock a diablo game that was rating AO.
Ya Diablo coding is a little harder to mod then lets say, Counter strike, or SC (My god so many modded games.......) but if you haven't played Median you should give it a whirl it's pretty tough.
And also no store like Walmart or Target stocks AO games, so D3 should by M.
I totally agree with you Requiem too btw. With everying, including what you said about an AO Diablo. But also like with what Equinox was saying to me a while ago in another thread, there are some movies that are really messed up and are made purely to depress you. That may be a bit extreme for Diablo, but atleast we would be feeling something similar to what people living in a world thats invaded by evil would (or atleast should) be feeling. Come on, if the pure essence of hate came into our world, everyone would HATE each other, which would lead to all sorts of violence and immoral things. Same with terrorising and destroying things. It would be uncontrolable. (Like with the Rage virus in 28 Days Later).
The most messed up movie I've seen is The Butterfly Effect. It has the concept of sex, and I suppose something that resembles a sex scene or two, but the main part of it is that little kids are killing dogs and babies and each other - but its all because their dad beat one of them and raped the other. Violence is only half of it. The other half is sex.
For some reason, that sentence really hit me. You said it really well.
So, to expand on that, our minds give the demons a lot more power potential. Our minds associate sex with other things too, like testosterone, rage, passion and violence. Now these demons don't just kill, but rape and torture too. They tortured before, but when the concept of sex is involved, torture becomes passionate and much more violent. So combining them together you have this demon who is so much more dangerous. Even dangerous for men too, because now its like territorial competition. Think of your pet dog. When he or she comes into season, you don't want them outside because they would do anything for sex. It becomes passionate. They would bark so loud their voice box would strain but they wouldn't care, they just want out.
Succubi too are associated with passion because they are sexually orientated.
I think it can be easily concluded that its their sexual desires that fuel their passion. They are the only demons in game that are associated with sex. This makes them dangerous, and scarier. I want to see more demons acting like this, don't you?
I've already asked that.
Visible genitals -> sex -> passion -> more dangerous -> more scary
Hidden genitals -> more modest -> looking after self better -> dangerous but without passion
If you're passionate, you wouldn't care if your junk is showing or not.
lol, diablo's junk in your face, ew. But nah, we aren't talking about it being that obvious.
Long post, sorry, I was a way for a while, and this subject is popular.
EDIT: On a side note, I only play Hardcore, because its more realistic and so much more thrilling with the fact that I very well may die if I'm not careful.
That does hold true. But as I've said, excluding the Greater Evils, I can see most demons having genitals. I just don't want to
Your culture isn't necessarily the same as mine though
Because it's hard. NWN was made for modding, and Baldur's Gate apparently has a design better suited for it. But modding in Dialbo was just a side-effect of patch 10.9 really.
There was a mod called Shadow Empires I think that was doing a complete overhaul of Diablo with new quests, new acts, new bosses, the item system, everything. But it proves too massive to do. At least I cannot find the project anymore.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
It does not matter, because we are talking about demons genitals, and not about sex. That is what the thread is called.
Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
Now, with all the stuff that was discussed here...
Diablo is not a game about sex or interaction in any way or form. It is about KILLING huge amounts of w/e. And please keep it that way.
There is no reason to make the game AO, either. And I really don't care what rating a game has, but I do think Blizzard would care if they lose tons of money if they make the game AO. Drop that out. Most of you are below 18, including myself, why on earth do you need AO? It's a demon killing game, not a porn game.
Now, I am going for athmosphere/realism. Atrumentis said everything I meant to say already. And, scales don't make demons reptilian.
To Phrozen
Regarding that "you made it up" thing, I didn't make anything up. The notion of "Man was made as the image of God" is from the BIBLE. It's, like, in the first few verses of it. I don't know much about Sanctuary and how much Sanctuary follows religion, but my example had roots.
And once again, Sacntuary's creation has nothing to do with the Bible. Humans are the offspring of angels and demons. They were not created by God, for he doesn't exist. (I think we talked about this in another thread some time ago :))
Should I feel bad for thinking there's nothing wrong with having Andariel in the game, but hating the idea of giving Diablo visible genitals?
The fans of Thief are making a Total Conversion of DooM III into their own version of Thief. A Total Conversion is a very hard project to do. And has nothing to do with the original game being moddable or anything. And that's Thief. That game never sold too swell. Diablo II is one of the best-selling games. What conclusions can I make? Weak fanbase.
The majority of Diablo's fanbase expects Blizzard to make something for them rather them to go and make something themselves...
On topic
There is no God in Sanctuary? Wow. Humans offspring of angels and demons? Shouldn't demons have genitals to make offspring, then? Or you meant something else?
I dunno, Phrozen, I think you are not so worried about the concept rather than the implementation.
I wouldn't say Diablo has nothing to do with the bible though. I mean, in some versions, Lilith was the first wife of Adam, but then she got kicked out cause she was evil or something. And in other versions, Lilith is the snake that tempted Adam to eat the apple. Well, thats probably the only main connection, but its just a name. Its not quite 0% nothing to do with the bible, but I suppose it is on the low side.
I don't really want an AO Diablo. I was only imagining it, or thinking that if it did happen then it would just be more like an alternate version than a whole new game.
Okay, I think everyone has pretty much said all there is, so I'll tally up the votes so far.
No genitals -> 20 (Option 1)
Great Evil genitals -> 11 (Option 2)
Minor-demon genitals -> 12 + 11 = 23 (Option 3 + 2)
When you vote for option 2, you're also voting for option 3, you see.
So really, overall, we want to see a bit more genitals in Diablo, for whatever the reason. Not turn it into a porno, obviously (as already discussed), but just to give it a bit more realism.
I guess part of it could be due to its popularity. Why make a total conversion if you're happy with the project as it is?
As I've said
True only in part. It does not mean that the people voting for number 3 agree with those voting for number 2, because it doesn't work the other way.