Nah, I don't know if I'd like to give my entire life just to go to Mars (well, a big part of it anyway). I'd miss out on everything that would happen back here...
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I'm sure this will sound beyond cynical, but I think humans are too immature to aim for Mars. There is so much this attitude of wanting to build and explore new things. Whatever happened to maintaining and improving the existing things? That's a bit of an overgeneraliztion, I know. But what concerns me is one day we may keep talking about Mars like it's our new hope of a future, and it may kind of feel like we've given up on making the Earth a better place.
But looking at what I just wrote, I think should be more specific about what I mean. It's like how I worry about suburban sprawl. The majority of people don't want to live in the central cities anymore because cities' infrastructures are crumbling and are left with low-income housing with which more affluent people don't want to be near by. So instead of finding ways to improve the central cities and making them more desirable places to live, local governments simply zone more residential areas outside of the city for people to build on. But even those areas will eventually wear down and become the next lower tier of housing, making people eventually want to move even further from that area and build new suburb divisions. And so it just reminds me of how this common attitude to always want to build new things, but fail to maintain the existing things.
Humans do have a tendency not to maintain things, but it's not as easy as that. Look at London during the early industrialization. A shitty place to live in to be sure, with deficient sewers and city design as well as heavy air pollution. It's certainly improved since then wouldn't you say?
That the rate of degradation would just continue unhemmed I doubt. If "suburbanization" continues too long, then we will get other problems caused by it, such as less area for growing food etc. Which will have to force us to stop and improve upon where we live currently. The world is far too dynamic for any trend to hold true regardless of all other circumstances affecting our planet.
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Humans do have a tendency not to maintain things, but it's not as easy as that. Look at London during the early industrialization. A shitty place to live in to be sure, with deficient sewers and city design as well as heavy air pollution. It's certainly improved since then wouldn't you say?
That the rate of degradation would just continue unhemmed I doubt. If "suburbanization" continues too long, then we will get other problems caused by it, such as less area for growing food etc. Which will have to force us to stop and improve upon where we live currently. The world is far too dynamic for any trend to hold true regardless of all other circumstances affecting our planet.
hmm... thats a broad statment there at the end. I belive, if we built deep ocean colonys they would hold true for along time, getting energy from the geothermal vents and using the energy to sustain life. Possibly a giant algea tank that would harvest oxygen. Domesticating tuna and spawning huge ocean farms. Even if a meteor struck earth and everything on the surface died, the bottom of the ocean would remain relativley calm due to the tamping effect.
Humans do have a tendency not to maintain things, but it's not as easy as that. Look at London during the early industrialization. A shitty place to live in to be sure, with deficient sewers and city design as well as heavy air pollution. It's certainly improved since then wouldn't you say?
Likely it was improved, renovated because they simply had no choice. In the U.S. at least, I can say that we still have considerable amounts of open land to build on. And the incentive to build new things is much greater here and suburban sprawl ensues.
Do you mean the last sentence, the last paragraph of the last post?
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Likely it was improved, renovated because they simply had no choice. In the U.S. at least, I can say that we still have considerable amounts of open land to build on. And the incentive to build new things is much greater here and suburban sprawl ensues.
That was sort of my point. When faced with no other option, we have to improve on what we have.
Granted, I've never been to England, but it doesn't seem that bad does it?
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hmm... thats a broad statment there at the end. I belive, if we built deep ocean colonys they would hold true for along time, getting energy from the geothermal vents and using the energy to sustain life. Possibly a giant algea tank that would harvest oxygen. Domesticating tuna and spawning huge ocean farms. Even if a meteor struck earth and everything on the surface died, the bottom of the ocean would remain relativley calm due to the tamping effect.
That wasn't exacly what I meant. I meant that select actions usually do not contunie unchecked and unchanging, because the world continues to change. Now some things don't apply. If we were to build colonies under water to survive natural disasters, then that's one thing. We cannot control whether a meteor is heading towards us or not.
We can however control where we build our homes. So if it creates enough damage, the the expansion will be forced to halt after a while, and the already established homes will have to be improved.
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That was sort of my point. When faced with no other option, we have to improve on what we have.
Granted, I've never been to England, but it doesn't seem that bad does it?
I can't say I've been to England either, but I can safely assume that their model of development has rarely been similar to that of the U.S.
It's strange however that even John Locke who theorized on the principles of excessive ownership said that owning and developing lots of land was alright because there would also be vast amounts of land to go around for everyone else.
It's strange however that even John Locke who theorized on the principles of excessive ownership said that owning and developing lots of land was alright because there would also be vast amounts of land to go around for everyone else.
Well that is slightly incorrect nowadays wouldn't you say? Unless we start to colonize other planets, like Mars, in which case there is an abundance of land left for everybody. Only problem is getting there. Mars is one thing; getting to the other side of the galaxy another.
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Well that is slightly incorrect nowadays wouldn't you say? Unless we start to colonize other planets, like Mars, in which case there is an abundance of land left for everybody. Only problem is getting there. Mars is one thing; getting to the other side of the galaxy another.
Perhaps my overall concern is that I understand there is an abundance of other natural resources on other planets, but I sense we'll never get there at the rate we are consuming and developing with what we currently have.
I think we will. I am, generally speaking, an optimist. In particular a technology optimist.
The Green House Gas hsyteria may be useless and cost billons of dollars a year for absolutely nothing, but it does bring about alot of research into alterative energy sources. That's a huge step towards managing our resources better than we currently are. And the better we get at producing energy and increasing the efficiency we have at producing energy, the better we will manage to manage our resources.
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Nah, I don't know if I'd like to give my entire life just to go to Mars (well, a big part of it anyway). I'd miss out on everything that would happen back here...
But looking at what I just wrote, I think should be more specific about what I mean. It's like how I worry about suburban sprawl. The majority of people don't want to live in the central cities anymore because cities' infrastructures are crumbling and are left with low-income housing with which more affluent people don't want to be near by. So instead of finding ways to improve the central cities and making them more desirable places to live, local governments simply zone more residential areas outside of the city for people to build on. But even those areas will eventually wear down and become the next lower tier of housing, making people eventually want to move even further from that area and build new suburb divisions. And so it just reminds me of how this common attitude to always want to build new things, but fail to maintain the existing things.
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That the rate of degradation would just continue unhemmed I doubt. If "suburbanization" continues too long, then we will get other problems caused by it, such as less area for growing food etc. Which will have to force us to stop and improve upon where we live currently. The world is far too dynamic for any trend to hold true regardless of all other circumstances affecting our planet.
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That was sort of my point. When faced with no other option, we have to improve on what we have.
Granted, I've never been to England, but it doesn't seem that bad does it?
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We can however control where we build our homes. So if it creates enough damage, the the expansion will be forced to halt after a while, and the already established homes will have to be improved.
It's strange however that even John Locke who theorized on the principles of excessive ownership said that owning and developing lots of land was alright because there would also be vast amounts of land to go around for everyone else.
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It sounds like a joke...
(Long since I had to expand above 10 characters)
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The Green House Gas hsyteria may be useless and cost billons of dollars a year for absolutely nothing, but it does bring about alot of research into alterative energy sources. That's a huge step towards managing our resources better than we currently are. And the better we get at producing energy and increasing the efficiency we have at producing energy, the better we will manage to manage our resources.