Well, to those ignorant, Tra(n)g'Oul is the only "deity" that exists in the Diablo Universe, so far as we know. But then again, there is only so much we know about him.
1) He was created either at the time of Sanctuary's birth /OR/ was there beforehand. I personally believe it was beforehand.
2) He is essentially the cosmos, seeing as each star is another point on his back and each shows another way that the world may of progressed. (He is depicted as a 'dragon' made up entirely of stars that resides in reality and in "The Void" - which is/possibly known as the Black Abyss?)
3) Rathma*, the first Nephalem born, was contacted by Tra(n)g'Oul, who had taken pity on the Nephalem/Mortals. He had been, with the worldstone, cloaking them from the forces of Heaven and Hell.
*Is allegedly the only Nephalem to of retained his powers, due to his connection with Tra(n)g'Oul.
4)Is believed to host the world of Sanctuary "upon his back." This may or may not be metaphoric, though it is likely a combination of both pertaining to his vigil over them and the fact that the world exists as part of his being.
5)Sent Rathma and Uldyssian to tamper with the worldstone, to give the Nephalem all of their powers back. This did not actually happen, however, Uldyssian changed the way it worked and partially due to these occurances the High Heavens discovered the existence of Sanctuary. *
*note: they discovered that Lilith had tampered with it to stop the crippling of the Nephalem power, however, this was changed back by the end of the Sin Wars trilogy.
6) Grants the Necromancers the ability to twist the borders between life and death with understanding concerning the Great Cycle of Being; educated Rathma on all of these things, which he set down for his future disciples long before any other schools of magic existed, making the Priests of Rathma the oldest Sorcerers.*
*It should be noted that we have seen the Witchdoctor raise the dead, however, they may draw this from other forces aside from Tra(n)g'oul, seeing as the demonic forces can also raise the dead. It may, however, be that they were once a group of necromancers that had tried migrating and fell into dissolution, merging with native tribes and losing sight of their connection with the Great Cycle of Being.
7) It is believed that he once entered Sanctuary when it was needed the most, however, this was rare and no one is entirely sure whom he was and what he did. However, it is agreed it was of the utmost importance. This being is called the Avatar of Tra(n)g'Oul.
8) It is theorized that the real Avatar of Tra(n)g'Oul is Archangel Ithrael - (From the wiki now, verbatum)
It is interesting to note that his personality is shared by another much more powerful sentient being, Trang'Oul. It is speculated that Ithrael is the real Avatar of Trang'Oul, because his being an Angel does not bias his allegiance to the High Heavens. He has been equally supportive of the Burning Hells. In fact, it was his decision to gift Inarius to Mephisto to secure his part of the deal to leave Sanctuary untouched.*
*This plays into his desire, along with that which he passed on to the Necromancers, to want no interference from the forces of the High Heavens to those of the Burning Hells.
9) His name is Trang'Oul, despite ANY other spellings you have seen, anywhere. It is properly Trang'Oul.
Well... there you go. This is why necromancers probably wont be playable any more, because you'd do stuff that would be out of whack for them. Will they be present? Obviously.
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At this point if Necros are present again, I'd actually rather have them be a NPC from a lore standpoint, than a player character. Unless there is another big writeup in the game manual, more could be conveyed from a NPC Necro about the current state of the priesthood and other affairs than through a player character, imo at least.
Cool write up btw. :thumbsup: I haven't actually read the books yet, but I think I'm going to purchase them before the summer is over to give me a little recreational material as I go back to school in the fall.
I'd like to see them as NPCs.
I've changed my mind a lot as having to do with the Necromancers and I'm slowly... just wanting to stick to them being NPCs and then if there is a need for them to make a comeback as a playable character; let it be so in an expansion.
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Why is it important to know that the correct spelling is Trang'Oul when you made it quite apparent in your thread title to spell it "Tra(n)g'Oul."
Is there any subtle meaning as to why you did this?
Probably to show to people that the "n" is supposed to be in there to form Trang'Oul instead of how most people spell it without the "n" to make it Trag'Oul.
It makes sense to me.
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*Awards two points.* Anyone who can make such an in-depth annalasys of Trag'Oul is awsome in my book.
Also, very interesting read. I really do want to see the Necros, and having them as npc's is better then nothing.
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where does inarius play into all this?
and what about the amazonian and barbarian deities?
Well, I'm not entirely sure what you mean about Inarius. Tra(n)g'Oul despised him because of his desire to use Sanctuary - and the Nephalem(humans) as his own slave-worshipping people. Tra(n)g'Oul wants them to live unhindered by Heaven or Hell, hence why it would make sense he appears as Ithrael and voting for Inarius to be sent off to Hell (he'd no longer be able to do any thing.)
As far as the Amazonian and Barbarian deities, there are technically none. We known that there are Nephalems in their past, who, like Rathma knew of their struggle and gathered followers of mortals (their children, after the time of peace, = humans/mortals) and the Barbarians had Bul-Kathos, (the Immortal King?)
I'm not entirely sure about who the Nephalem is for the Amazonians, but it is a similar story. I believe theirs was a woman named Vasily.
The Sorceresses, the D2 sorceresses that we know of, is kind of splintered with theories however one of the largest (and my own preferance) is that the Nephalem Esu, who they have their namesake of as Zann Esu, gathered a following that splintered after her death into a series of covenants that eventually reformed and became the "Zann Esu" order which we know of.
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I'd like to add that Trag'Oul (or Trang'Oul) means "The One Who Is Forever".
The celestial creature shifted, its “eyes” a startling array of smaller stars. Know me…it repeated. Know me as Trag’Oul…
“The One Who Is Forever,” added Rathma, almost blandly despite the astounding spectacle. “At least, that is one meaning. There are several.”
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Well, to those ignorant, Tra(n)g'Oul is the only "deity" that exists in the Diablo Universe, so far as we know. But then again, there is only so much we know about him.
Actually, there are more beings like Trag'Oul that also act as sentinels over other worlds. When Trag'Oul tried to enter Sanctuary to stop the High Heavens from entering, the 'others' stopped him. I can't find the quote right now, but its in The Veiled Prophet somewhere.
1) He was created either at the time of Sanctuary's birth /OR/ was there beforehand. I personally believe it was beforehand.
I think he came with Sanctuary, not before, but after reading this quote again, I think you're right. Though its still pretty confusing.
He was speaking of the future. The dragon not only reflected the past and present, but what could be. The incredible immensity of the being stretched above him only now struck Mendeln. He sensed that Trag’Oul only revealed to him—and even Rathma—a most minor portion of himself. Turning to the cowled figure, Mendeln blurted, “What—?”
“What is ‘he,’ you want to ask?” Rathma gestured at the ever-shifting form. “Even Trag’Oul does not entirely know. He has existed since just after the beginning of creation, although not quite as we sense him now.”
No…that came later…Whenever the dragon spoke, the scales flowed and shifted, constantly displaying other lives, other times. That came with the finding of the Shards…with the molding of Sanctuary by the renegade angels and demons…
Then again, this quote is a bit more clear:
“He is Trag’Oul, brother,” Mendeln explained quietly. “Born in creation, defined when the angels and demons who came here formed Sanctuary. He is more its guardian than any other can claim.”
A simplified description, albeit most accurate… [Trag'Oul]
Although the definition of 'creation' is still vague. It could mean that Trag'Oul existed before Sanctuary was created, but his form wasn't 'defined' until its creation. As if his being didn't have a purpose until Sanctuary came along, perhaps.
2) He is essentially the cosmos, seeing as each star is another point on his back and each shows another way that the world may of progressed. (He is depicted as a 'dragon' made up entirely of stars that resides in reality and in "The Void" - which is/possibly known as the Black Abyss?)
No, the Black Abyss and the Void are two different places, but Trag'Oul is in neither of them. He is in a realm of his own, seperate to the Void. We know this because Rathma was trapped in the Void and it took a lot of strength out of Trag'Oul to reach him.
3) Rathma*, the first Nephalem born, was contacted by Tra(n)g'Oul, who had taken pity on the Nephalem/Mortals. He had been, with the worldstone, cloaking them from the forces of Heaven and Hell.
*Is allegedly the only Nephalem to of retained his powers, due to his connection with Tra(n)g'Oul.
Rathma isn't the only one. Remember the battle at the end of The Sin War? There were other first-generation nephalem there too. And he's not necessarily the first nephalem born, just that he's part of the first generation of nephalem.
4)Is believed to host the world of Sanctuary "upon his back." This may or may not be metaphoric, though it is likely a combination of both pertaining to his vigil over them and the fact that the world exists as part of his being.
Yeah, thats true. Half metaphorical and half literal. Even though Trag'Oul is hardly physical in the first place.
6) Grants the Necromancers the ability to twist the borders between life and death with understanding concerning the Great Cycle of Being; educated Rathma on all of these things, which he set down for his future disciples long before any other schools of magic existed, making the Priests of Rathma the oldest Sorcerers.*
*It should be noted that we have seen the Witchdoctor raise the dead, however, they may draw this from other forces aside from Tra(n)g'oul, seeing as the demonic forces can also raise the dead. It may, however, be that they were once a group of necromancers that had tried migrating and fell into dissolution, merging with native tribes and losing sight of their connection with the Great Cycle of Being.
Yeah, I thought that might be the case as well. Seeing as they both live in the jungles.
7) It is believed that he once entered Sanctuary when it was needed the most, however, this was rare and no one is entirely sure whom he was and what he did. However, it is agreed it was of the utmost importance. This being is called the Avatar of Tra(n)g'Oul.
Ohh, I faintly remember that. What page is it on?
8) It is theorized that the real Avatar of Tra(n)g'Oul is Archangel Ithrael - (From the wiki now, verbatum)
Who says that? I'm not sure if I agree. Itherael has a neutral nature, yes, but he is still an Archangel of the High Heavens. I suppose it is possible, but we have hardly anything to go by. I really need to read that avatar part again.
It is interesting to note that his personality is shared by another much more powerful sentient being, Trang'Oul. It is speculated that Ithrael is the real Avatar of Trang'Oul, because his being an Angel does not bias his allegiance to the High Heavens. He has been equally supportive of the Burning Hells. In fact, it was his decision to gift Inarius to Mephisto to secure his part of the deal to leave Sanctuary untouched.*
No it wasn't. If the decision can be put down to one angel, it was either Imperius or Tyrael.
The angels were clearly not very trusting of the intruder [Mephisto], but Tyrael suddenly stepped beside Iimperius.
IF YOU WOULD WISH A TRUCE, LORD DEMON... WOULD YOU CAST YOUR MARK ON A PLACE CHOSEN BY ME?
Mephisto seemed to hesitate. "Show me, and it shall be done - but only if something is in turn given to me by right of the aspect of justice you champion."
The angels glanced at one another. Imperius nodded to Tyrael.
SPEAK WHAT IT IS, the latter said to the shadowed form.
Again, the taloned hand thrust forth - at the prisoner [Inarius]. "Him... let he whose crimes are already legion among you now be cast to me to pay for my loss - and the sealing of the truce, as it happens."
Inarius did an odd thing upon hearing this. He laughed. He laughed loudly until Imperius, with a contemptuous wave of his hand, caused all sound from the captive to cease. IF IT IS AGREED, YOU WILL CAST YOUR MARK? asked the haughty angel.
"Before the eyes of all - and even these," Lord Mephisto concluded, his red orb shifting around to survey Mendeln's group.
Even as the demon proclaimed this, the chamber faded, and once more they stood on Sanctuary, but in a slightly different location. The rubble of the Cathedral of Light surrounded them.
"The humour of angels," Mephisto mocked.
This is ALL the text we have that involves Itherael:
I SAY IT IS TIME TO VOTE, Imperius rumbled, utterly ignoring him [Rathma].
LET IT BE SO, interjected a gray-clad angel who seemed neither male nor female in aspect. LET THIS BE DONE.
....
Auriel leaned back in clear disappointment. Imperius, on the other hand, appeared satisfied. It was he who spoke to the next, the gray-clad one who had previously spoken. ITHERAEL, WHAT VERDICT DO YOU GIVE?
There was a pause, as if the fourth angel considered hard this question. THEY ARE THE GET OF ANGELS AND DEMONS, WITH THE TAINT AND PROMISE INHERENT.... LEFT TO GROW, THEY MIGHT BECOME MORE MONSTROUS THAN ANYTHING RISING FROMM THE BURNING HELLS.
AND SO THEY MUST BE DESTROYED! Imperius insisted.
Itherael raised a finger. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE GREATEST POTENTIAL TO SERVE THE LIGHT... A POTENTIAL THAT COULD SURPASS OUR OWN ROLES... AND SO I VOTE THAT THEY BE GIVEN THEIR CHANCE.
Mendlen's hopes rose. The angels were at a stalemate.
....
"No," agreed Mephisto, who seemed to take relish in watching Imperius's reaction when the angel realized that the pair agreed with each other. "That firstborn," he added, meaning Rathma, "an dhis kind... they may remember, for they are few, and their day is already over. The rest, though... if they are to grow, they must begin at the beginning."
From the background, Itherael responded, HE IS CORRECT.
9) His name is Trang'Oul, despite ANY other spellings you have seen, anywhere. It is properly Trang'Oul.
Blizzard has stated that The Sin War trilogy is more canonical than the games. Its spelt Trang'Oul in the games, but Trag'Oul in The Sin War trilogy. I'd say the proper spelling is Trag'Oul, but even that can't be completely confirmed until we see Blizzard write the name somewhere in DIII.
Well... there you go. This is why necromancers probably wont be playable any more, because you'd do stuff that would be out of whack for them. Will they be present? Obviously.
Lol, that doesn't make sense. The dev's choice for playable classes has almost nothing to do with who Trag'Oul is. The necros haven't changed since DII.
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As far as the Amazonian and Barbarian deities, there are technically none. We known that there are Nephalems in their past, who, like Rathma knew of their struggle and gathered followers of mortals (their children, after the time of peace, = humans/mortals) and the Barbarians had Bul-Kathos, (the Immortal King?)
Yeah, Bul-Kathos is the Immortal King. It seems like most classes and orders began with first-generation nephalem.
I'm not entirely sure about who the Nephalem is for the Amazonians, but it is a similar story. I believe theirs was a woman named Vasily.
By the sound of how their order is described, is seems as if there were many many Nephalem on those islands, and when they 'died' they became 'gods' to the remaining Amazonians. We know Vasily is/was a first-generation nephalem, but we don't know if she was part of the Amazons or not. Seeing as her name isn't mentioned in the Amazon's description, I don't think Vasily is part of the Amazons.
Their pantheon of gods consists of a well-defined hierarchy, each member upholding some segment of the balance of Order. It is this strong sense of order that drives the Amazon people to achieve greatness in even the smallest of their endeavors. Their prime deity is Athulua who, with her consort, Kethryes, rules over the seasons and the weather. Under these Goddesses are a wide assortment of lesser deities, each responsible for his or her own sphere of influence among the Amazon people's daily life. The Amazons believe this pantheon is the remnant of the original inhabitants that settled the islands centuries ago. According to ancient records, they share the same names as these gods, although aspects of their personalities seem to have evolved over the centuries.
Well, I figured since he was Lilith and Inarius' first child, he was probably the first, but okay.
Thanks for clarifying the abyss n' such. Was definitely not my strong point.
I don't remember the page number, nor do I recall the 'other' deities stopping him. @.@
Well, Arreats says it's Trang'Oul(Trang-Oul) and the item is Trang-Oul's Aavatar... so.... XD
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Honestly I'll always call him TraNg'Oul untill they change it in the games. Most likely, his name was misspelled in the books anyway.
But either way, I think the post is still a good read. I'd love to see the information that could be found between the two of you. (Refering to Atrumentis and Asphorune.)
We could probably pull some things up, lol. >> I play nice... << ;P
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"Along with the creation of Sanctuary came the creation of the Worldstone (and Trag'Oul - though they are unaware of Trag'Ouls existance)."
What do you guys think happened to Trang'Oul when the Worldstone had to be destroyed? surely a deity didn't depart along with it throwing the world into utter chaos and pissing off every necromancer?
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"I will give you my blessing," the demon croaked..."And then... I will dine on your entrails and drink your blood from a cup fashioned from your fragile skull..."
Well, hold on. The thing about that is that he manifested as the "dragon-Trang'Oul" allegedly. As Art said, if you scroll up, he put that little caption about them talking about what exactly Trang'Oul is. So he sort of existed before, somehow and kind of manifested later with it's creation.
And Trang'Oul and the worldstone may or may not be connected, who knows. Maybe the Worldstone was a spike in his back? >> Maybe he looks like Bowser? XD
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Umm... he left and came back in the form of shrooms.
The necros came across these Trang'Oul-ical shrooms and started eating them and smoking them and the trips were so good that they decided that their purpose in life had been changed to becoming hippies. They then teamed up with several tavern owners to start a HappyHut Franchise that stretched to the far ends of Sanctuary so that they could share their newly beloved fungi with everybody. :]
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1) He was created either at the time of Sanctuary's birth /OR/ was there beforehand. I personally believe it was beforehand.
2) He is essentially the cosmos, seeing as each star is another point on his back and each shows another way that the world may of progressed. (He is depicted as a 'dragon' made up entirely of stars that resides in reality and in "The Void" - which is/possibly known as the Black Abyss?)
3) Rathma*, the first Nephalem born, was contacted by Tra(n)g'Oul, who had taken pity on the Nephalem/Mortals. He had been, with the worldstone, cloaking them from the forces of Heaven and Hell.
*Is allegedly the only Nephalem to of retained his powers, due to his connection with Tra(n)g'Oul.
4)Is believed to host the world of Sanctuary "upon his back." This may or may not be metaphoric, though it is likely a combination of both pertaining to his vigil over them and the fact that the world exists as part of his being.
5)Sent Rathma and Uldyssian to tamper with the worldstone, to give the Nephalem all of their powers back. This did not actually happen, however, Uldyssian changed the way it worked and partially due to these occurances the High Heavens discovered the existence of Sanctuary. *
*note: they discovered that Lilith had tampered with it to stop the crippling of the Nephalem power, however, this was changed back by the end of the Sin Wars trilogy.
6) Grants the Necromancers the ability to twist the borders between life and death with understanding concerning the Great Cycle of Being; educated Rathma on all of these things, which he set down for his future disciples long before any other schools of magic existed, making the Priests of Rathma the oldest Sorcerers.*
*It should be noted that we have seen the Witchdoctor raise the dead, however, they may draw this from other forces aside from Tra(n)g'oul, seeing as the demonic forces can also raise the dead. It may, however, be that they were once a group of necromancers that had tried migrating and fell into dissolution, merging with native tribes and losing sight of their connection with the Great Cycle of Being.
7) It is believed that he once entered Sanctuary when it was needed the most, however, this was rare and no one is entirely sure whom he was and what he did. However, it is agreed it was of the utmost importance. This being is called the Avatar of Tra(n)g'Oul.
8) It is theorized that the real Avatar of Tra(n)g'Oul is Archangel Ithrael - (From the wiki now, verbatum)
It is interesting to note that his personality is shared by another much more powerful sentient being, Trang'Oul. It is speculated that Ithrael is the real Avatar of Trang'Oul, because his being an Angel does not bias his allegiance to the High Heavens. He has been equally supportive of the Burning Hells. In fact, it was his decision to gift Inarius to Mephisto
to secure his part of the deal to leave Sanctuary untouched.*
*This plays into his desire, along with that which he passed on to the Necromancers, to want no interference from the forces of the High Heavens to those of the Burning Hells.
9) His name is Trang'Oul, despite ANY other spellings you have seen, anywhere. It is properly Trang'Oul.
Well... there you go. This is why necromancers probably wont be playable any more, because you'd do stuff that would be out of whack for them. Will they be present? Obviously.
Or the one from like a week or two ago...
Also, very interesting read. I really do want to see the Necros, and having them as npc's is better then nothing.
They have to..
Cool write up btw. :thumbsup: I haven't actually read the books yet, but I think I'm going to purchase them before the summer is over to give me a little recreational material as I go back to school in the fall.
I've changed my mind a lot as having to do with the Necromancers and I'm slowly... just wanting to stick to them being NPCs and then if there is a need for them to make a comeback as a playable character; let it be so in an expansion.
Why is it important to know that the correct spelling is Trang'Oul when you made it quite apparent in your thread title to spell it "Tra(n)g'Oul."
Is there any subtle meaning as to why you did this?
Probably to show to people that the "n" is supposed to be in there to form Trang'Oul instead of how most people spell it without the "n" to make it Trag'Oul.
It makes sense to me.
and what about the amazonian and barbarian deities?
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
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Well, I'm not entirely sure what you mean about Inarius. Tra(n)g'Oul despised him because of his desire to use Sanctuary - and the Nephalem(humans) as his own slave-worshipping people. Tra(n)g'Oul wants them to live unhindered by Heaven or Hell, hence why it would make sense he appears as Ithrael and voting for Inarius to be sent off to Hell (he'd no longer be able to do any thing.)
As far as the Amazonian and Barbarian deities, there are technically none. We known that there are Nephalems in their past, who, like Rathma knew of their struggle and gathered followers of mortals (their children, after the time of peace, = humans/mortals) and the Barbarians had Bul-Kathos, (the Immortal King?)
I'm not entirely sure about who the Nephalem is for the Amazonians, but it is a similar story. I believe theirs was a woman named Vasily.
The Sorceresses, the D2 sorceresses that we know of, is kind of splintered with theories however one of the largest (and my own preferance) is that the Nephalem Esu, who they have their namesake of as Zann Esu, gathered a following that splintered after her death into a series of covenants that eventually reformed and became the "Zann Esu" order which we know of.
the 3 ancients are the deities of barbs and theres a list of some for amazons
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
The celestial creature shifted, its “eyes” a startling array of smaller stars. Know me…it repeated. Know me as Trag’Oul…
“The One Who Is Forever,” added Rathma, almost blandly despite the astounding spectacle. “At least, that is one meaning. There are several.”
Actually, there are more beings like Trag'Oul that also act as sentinels over other worlds. When Trag'Oul tried to enter Sanctuary to stop the High Heavens from entering, the 'others' stopped him. I can't find the quote right now, but its in The Veiled Prophet somewhere.
I think he came with Sanctuary, not before, but after reading this quote again, I think you're right. Though its still pretty confusing.
He was speaking of the future. The dragon not only reflected the past and present, but what could be. The incredible immensity of the being stretched above him only now struck Mendeln. He sensed that Trag’Oul only revealed to him—and even Rathma—a most minor portion of himself. Turning to the cowled figure, Mendeln blurted, “What—?”
“What is ‘he,’ you want to ask?” Rathma gestured at the ever-shifting form. “Even Trag’Oul does not entirely know. He has existed since just after the beginning of creation, although not quite as we sense him now.”
No…that came later…Whenever the dragon spoke, the scales flowed and shifted, constantly displaying other lives, other times. That came with the finding of the Shards…with the molding of Sanctuary by the renegade angels and demons…
Then again, this quote is a bit more clear:
“He is Trag’Oul, brother,” Mendeln explained quietly. “Born in creation, defined when the angels and demons who came here formed Sanctuary. He is more its guardian than any other can claim.”
A simplified description, albeit most accurate… [Trag'Oul]
Although the definition of 'creation' is still vague. It could mean that Trag'Oul existed before Sanctuary was created, but his form wasn't 'defined' until its creation. As if his being didn't have a purpose until Sanctuary came along, perhaps.
No, the Black Abyss and the Void are two different places, but Trag'Oul is in neither of them. He is in a realm of his own, seperate to the Void. We know this because Rathma was trapped in the Void and it took a lot of strength out of Trag'Oul to reach him.
Rathma isn't the only one. Remember the battle at the end of The Sin War? There were other first-generation nephalem there too. And he's not necessarily the first nephalem born, just that he's part of the first generation of nephalem.
Yeah, thats true. Half metaphorical and half literal. Even though Trag'Oul is hardly physical in the first place.
Yeah, I thought that might be the case as well. Seeing as they both live in the jungles.
Ohh, I faintly remember that. What page is it on?
Who says that? I'm not sure if I agree. Itherael has a neutral nature, yes, but he is still an Archangel of the High Heavens. I suppose it is possible, but we have hardly anything to go by. I really need to read that avatar part again.
No it wasn't. If the decision can be put down to one angel, it was either Imperius or Tyrael.
The angels were clearly not very trusting of the intruder [Mephisto], but Tyrael suddenly stepped beside Iimperius.
IF YOU WOULD WISH A TRUCE, LORD DEMON... WOULD YOU CAST YOUR MARK ON A PLACE CHOSEN BY ME?
Mephisto seemed to hesitate. "Show me, and it shall be done - but only if something is in turn given to me by right of the aspect of justice you champion."
The angels glanced at one another. Imperius nodded to Tyrael.
SPEAK WHAT IT IS, the latter said to the shadowed form.
Again, the taloned hand thrust forth - at the prisoner [Inarius]. "Him... let he whose crimes are already legion among you now be cast to me to pay for my loss - and the sealing of the truce, as it happens."
Inarius did an odd thing upon hearing this. He laughed. He laughed loudly until Imperius, with a contemptuous wave of his hand, caused all sound from the captive to cease. IF IT IS AGREED, YOU WILL CAST YOUR MARK? asked the haughty angel.
"Before the eyes of all - and even these," Lord Mephisto concluded, his red orb shifting around to survey Mendeln's group.
Even as the demon proclaimed this, the chamber faded, and once more they stood on Sanctuary, but in a slightly different location. The rubble of the Cathedral of Light surrounded them.
"The humour of angels," Mephisto mocked.
This is ALL the text we have that involves Itherael:
I SAY IT IS TIME TO VOTE, Imperius rumbled, utterly ignoring him [Rathma].
LET IT BE SO, interjected a gray-clad angel who seemed neither male nor female in aspect. LET THIS BE DONE.
....
Auriel leaned back in clear disappointment. Imperius, on the other hand, appeared satisfied. It was he who spoke to the next, the gray-clad one who had previously spoken. ITHERAEL, WHAT VERDICT DO YOU GIVE?
There was a pause, as if the fourth angel considered hard this question. THEY ARE THE GET OF ANGELS AND DEMONS, WITH THE TAINT AND PROMISE INHERENT.... LEFT TO GROW, THEY MIGHT BECOME MORE MONSTROUS THAN ANYTHING RISING FROMM THE BURNING HELLS.
AND SO THEY MUST BE DESTROYED! Imperius insisted.
Itherael raised a finger. BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE GREATEST POTENTIAL TO SERVE THE LIGHT... A POTENTIAL THAT COULD SURPASS OUR OWN ROLES... AND SO I VOTE THAT THEY BE GIVEN THEIR CHANCE.
Mendlen's hopes rose. The angels were at a stalemate.
....
"No," agreed Mephisto, who seemed to take relish in watching Imperius's reaction when the angel realized that the pair agreed with each other. "That firstborn," he added, meaning Rathma, "an dhis kind... they may remember, for they are few, and their day is already over. The rest, though... if they are to grow, they must begin at the beginning."
From the background, Itherael responded, HE IS CORRECT.
Blizzard has stated that The Sin War trilogy is more canonical than the games. Its spelt Trang'Oul in the games, but Trag'Oul in The Sin War trilogy. I'd say the proper spelling is Trag'Oul, but even that can't be completely confirmed until we see Blizzard write the name somewhere in DIII.
Lol, that doesn't make sense. The dev's choice for playable classes has almost nothing to do with who Trag'Oul is. The necros haven't changed since DII.
Yeah, Bul-Kathos is the Immortal King. It seems like most classes and orders began with first-generation nephalem.
By the sound of how their order is described, is seems as if there were many many Nephalem on those islands, and when they 'died' they became 'gods' to the remaining Amazonians. We know Vasily is/was a first-generation nephalem, but we don't know if she was part of the Amazons or not. Seeing as her name isn't mentioned in the Amazon's description, I don't think Vasily is part of the Amazons.
Their pantheon of gods consists of a well-defined hierarchy, each member upholding some segment of the balance of Order. It is this strong sense of order that drives the Amazon people to achieve greatness in even the smallest of their endeavors. Their prime deity is Athulua who, with her consort, Kethryes, rules over the seasons and the weather. Under these Goddesses are a wide assortment of lesser deities, each responsible for his or her own sphere of influence among the Amazon people's daily life. The Amazons believe this pantheon is the remnant of the original inhabitants that settled the islands centuries ago. According to ancient records, they share the same names as these gods, although aspects of their personalities seem to have evolved over the centuries.
Thanks for clarifying the abyss n' such. Was definitely not my strong point.
I don't remember the page number, nor do I recall the 'other' deities stopping him. @.@
Well, Arreats says it's Trang'Oul(Trang-Oul) and the item is Trang-Oul's Aavatar... so.... XD
But either way, I think the post is still a good read. I'd love to see the information that could be found between the two of you. (Refering to Atrumentis and Asphorune.)
"Along with the creation of Sanctuary came the creation of the Worldstone (and Trag'Oul - though they are unaware of Trag'Ouls existance)."
What do you guys think happened to Trang'Oul when the Worldstone had to be destroyed? surely a deity didn't depart along with it throwing the world into utter chaos and pissing off every necromancer?
- Richard Knaak
And Trang'Oul and the worldstone may or may not be connected, who knows. Maybe the Worldstone was a spike in his back? >> Maybe he looks like Bowser? XD
The necros came across these Trang'Oul-ical shrooms and started eating them and smoking them and the trips were so good that they decided that their purpose in life had been changed to becoming hippies. They then teamed up with several tavern owners to start a HappyHut Franchise that stretched to the far ends of Sanctuary so that they could share their newly beloved fungi with everybody. :]
I'm done. lol