Any guide for 1.05? Been having some thoughts about what should I use next. I got about 100 Mil ready for upgrades but wanted to wait a couple of weeks for the items to start rolling in. Any suggestions on what skills/gear upgrades I should do with 1.05 changes? I am looking right now to buy Lacuni Prowlers. Thanks!
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First thing I'd do, and do now, is get a Triumvirate OH. Use a dps calculator or spreadsheet but even a mid damage one (150 average damge) should be a pretty good upgrade. They're also pretty cheap, and now that you can search for average damage, it's even easier to get the best value for your gold. For 5 mil or so you can probably get one with around 100-300 damage, and if you're wanting a perma-Archon build, you can ignore APoC so try getting one with 200+ Int for even more dps.
You'll probably also want a weapon with Life Steal, though if you just want to farm MP0 it might not be needed. You can start with just Magic Weapon - Blood Magic and see how they are before jumping into buying a new weapon though, since Life Steal is pretty expensive right now.
If you try any mid-high MP levels, you probably want to use Force Armor, otherwise use whatever Armor you feel comfortable with. I use Force armor for all but I've got a low EHP build with high dps so I don't have the resists and armor to pull of a Prismatic Armor or Storm Armor build.
Other potential upgrades include Tal Rasha's Allegience (amulet), if you aren't super attached to your Firewalkers you can go for zunimassa boots and the ring also makes for a good 2pc bonus. Prowlers are great or if you don't mind losing the EHP you can opt for Inna's Temperance (pants) that has 1% crit, 8-9% attack speed, and 12% movement. The only downside is they roll with dex main and only 1 random, so the ones with Int are around 30 mil, meaning you'll lose a lot of EHP. Tal Rasha Relentless Persuit (chest) is another good dps piece, though to maintain the EHP of your current chest, it would likely cost most of or more than your 100 mil. Lower end ones, like 9% IAS, 150 Int, 50 vit, and armor, like mine, are 10-20 mil. Andrial's Visage is the cheap helm of choice, and you can get one for a couple mil with 50+ all resist, so you'd only lose a bit of vit but would gain 8-9% IAS.
Those upgrades are suggestions from my own experience and really give the best dps gain for your gold. The difficulty lies with deciding what you want to do with your EHP. The easiest thing to do is mostly ignore EHP as long as you're around 150k+ in Archon form and just switch to Force Armor, but you might find yourself dying more than you like. Once you have those really high dps pieces with low EHP, it's hard to upgrade to a similar piece with high EHP and it's hard to drop all that dps for the extra EHP so it's up to you if you want to upgrade 1-2 pieces to raise dps and maintain EHP or upgrade 3-5 pieces and just raise DPS pretty high.
IMO, ranking the set pieces in terms of relative DPS per cost, based on my current purchases I'd put it at Triumvirate = Andriel's Visage > Tal neck > tal chest > Zunimassa boots = ring > Witching Hour. Keep in mind that's relative to current gear and that ranking is specific to my current gear and based mostly on dps.
EDIT: Zunimassa chest is a good EHP alternative to the tal chest, if you're looking at keeping or improving your EHP. It works great for 2pc and/or 3pc bonus depending on your gearing choices.
I wonder how 300k dps wizard deal with reflect dmg at mp 7 for example, some of them dont have neither lifesteal nor loh o.0
A lot of Archons that don't run life on hit, life steal, and or life after kill use Diamond Skin to cope. They cancel out of Archon and use conventional kiting tactics to get things done.
I'll start making updates for 1.0.5 today with a few more to come in the next few days, doing some testing, checking gear and watching AH prices right now, there's quite a few changes and recommendations for the hellfire ring farming routes, etc.
However, i do have to note that for higher MP you need some pretty incredible DPS to make archon worthwhile in a solo play, in a team play - unless you have a crapload of APoC and high AIS gear + perhaps evocation - not much of a point on say MP4+, the amount of uptime of archon simply becomes too low and you're better off switching to something else.
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Done up a whole bunch of updates and fixes, added the follower section, took out the farming route section until more research is done since act 2 has a bunch of areas with a LOT of champions as well as high mob density which works out superbly for this build on MP1 or higher depending on the DPS and survival.
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I feel it's really worth considering the Teleport rune for Archon. Not only does it allow you to move through an area a little faster but it gives a little bit extra survivability for higher MP levels, like if you're raising the MP to get more keys, instead of keeping it low to just 1 shot everything. Also the Illusionist passive works on the Archon Teleport, which raises survivability even more. I find it extremely useful for the Act 3 keywarden.
I feel it's really worth considering the Teleport rune for Archon. Not only does it allow you to move through an area a little faster but it gives a little bit extra survivability for higher MP levels, like if you're raising the MP to get more keys, instead of keeping it low to just 1 shot everything. Also the Illusionist passive works on the Archon Teleport, which raises survivability even more. I find it extremely useful for the Act 3 keywarden.
I vouch for that. I've been running Teleport for a while. Combine it with maximum move speed, the uptime for Archon will outlast all the buffs. MP3 is pretty standard right now for farming purposes for most classes, though higher DPS can do up to MP7 without too many headaches.
Jaetch, what's the maximum MP you can feel 'comfortable' at with your stats?
Hey guys been lurking for a while but this latest patch has got me a bit fumed. I also would like to know what mp Jaetch is "comfortably" running
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Jaetch, what's the maximum MP you can feel 'comfortable' at with your stats?
I farm MP3-4 with the most efficiency and I think many decently to well-geared players (all classes) can attest to this. I can run Archon fairly well in MP5 and it starts to fail somewhat in MP6-7. Not that I die often in MP6-7, Archon just doesn't stay up.
I wonder how CM + Arcane Destruction Archon spam in high MP will work... Unfortunately I don't run AP on crit so I can't really test that out.
well as a cm wizz without archon i just can confirm your statement . farming ml 4 is easy. FARMING 7-10 is not really possible unless you wanna die 2-3 times each pack. i asume if you have the gear even archon is still viable there but i think you might need near to 2 mio dps (which is actually possible)
but ml overall rule..
blizzard brought me to the point where i want to improve my stats again.. before i was thinking.. why boost dps anymore.. but no it actually makes sense to get 70% crit ,30ap on crit and attackspeed to infinity and beyond because you can allways go up in ML
What do you guys use for your second +movespeed item? I'm guessing it comes down to either Tyrael's Might or Lacuni Prowlers. Tyrael's seems like the better choice to me, due to the bonus to demons and that its significantly cheaper. But just looking at a few profiles (Aesthia in particular) it seems like Lacuni is better if you can afford it.
Inna's Temperance, the monk pants, also works. It comes with 1% crit, 8-9% attack speed, 12% movement speed, and 2 sockets base. The only downside is you don't have a lot of options for the random stat. It's just one roll with no base Int so it's basically either Int or Int/vit. They're also pretty cheap now so you can get more dps out of these pants+normal bracers with crit%, assuming you have a lot of crit damage. If you have the money for crit prowlers, that will give more dps than rare bracers, of course, but costs more than the set pants.
What do you guys use for your second +movespeed item? I'm guessing it comes down to either Tyrael's Might or Lacuni Prowlers. Tyrael's seems like the better choice to me, due to the bonus to demons and that its significantly cheaper. But just looking at a few profiles (Aesthia in particular) it seems like Lacuni is better if you can afford it.
Inna's Temperance, the monk pants, also works. It comes with 1% crit, 8-9% attack speed, 12% movement speed, and 2 sockets base. The only downside is you don't have a lot of options for the random stat. It's just one roll with no base Int so it's basically either Int or Int/vit. They're also pretty cheap now so you can get more dps out of these pants+normal bracers with crit%, assuming you have a lot of crit damage. If you have the money for crit prowlers, that will give more dps than rare bracers, of course, but costs more than the set pants.
Just for a comparison, I used to have 180 int/180 vit/70 all resist/2 socket Depth Diggers pants before I switched to my current Inna's Temperance. Even though I lost a hefty amount of EHP (about 60K, if I remember correctly), I did gain over 20K DPS and fully capped out my movement speed.
The difference? I sold the Depth Diggers for 400M and bought the Inna's Temperance at 550M, which was still a ton of extra gold from my side. It's really hard to find Inna's Temperance for wizards if you want decent vitality, good int, and maximum attack speed. A better pair of Lacuni's is my next target... though I have no gold for it at the moment since I just geared up my monk
I'm not entirely sure about the worthiness of Tyrael's Might. A good set with 3 sockets and great int won't come cheap, especially when you throw something like all resist in there. I'd rather get the huge DPS boost from Inna's.
What do you guys use for your second +movespeed item? I'm guessing it comes down to either Tyrael's Might or Lacuni Prowlers. Tyrael's seems like the better choice to me, due to the bonus to demons and that its significantly cheaper. But just looking at a few profiles (Aesthia in particular) it seems like Lacuni is better if you can afford it.
Inna's Temperance, the monk pants, also works. It comes with 1% crit, 8-9% attack speed, 12% movement speed, and 2 sockets base. The only downside is you don't have a lot of options for the random stat. It's just one roll with no base Int so it's basically either Int or Int/vit. They're also pretty cheap now so you can get more dps out of these pants+normal bracers with crit%, assuming you have a lot of crit damage. If you have the money for crit prowlers, that will give more dps than rare bracers, of course, but costs more than the set pants.
Just for a comparison, I used to have 180 int/180 vit/70 all resist/2 socket Depth Diggers pants before I switched to my current Inna's Temperance. Even though I lost a hefty amount of EHP (about 60K, if I remember correctly), I did gain over 20K DPS and fully capped out my movement speed.
The difference? I sold the Depth Diggers for 400M and bought the Inna's Temperance at 550M, which was still a ton of extra gold from my side. It's really hard to find Inna's Temperance for wizards if you want decent vitality, good int, and maximum attack speed. A better pair of Lacuni's is my next target... though I have no gold for it at the moment since I just geared up my monk
I'm not entirely sure about the worthiness of Tyrael's Might. A good set with 3 sockets and great int won't come cheap, especially when you throw something like all resist in there. I'd rather get the huge DPS boost from Inna's.
I didn't realize that you had both Inna's and Lacuni, plus Zunimassa's Trail boots. That seems... excessive. Then I thought about it, and I guess no other armors can have that high of dps stats.
I guess my current issue is trying to figure out which "major" upgrade to get next. I put major in quotes because I'm planning on spending 50-100m on it (depending on the final sale price of a couple of auctions). I can run the usual act 3 route on MP0 in archon, but the buff tends to drop in areas like the Core and Fields of Slaughter, which both have some distance to run between packs. I've been running with Blood Magic as my only life steal, which is doing the job, but I'm loathe to give up any EHP without getting better health recovery.
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Feel free to laugh at my chest piece. In my defense, it was a drop I got on my second ever inferno run, before I even cleared act 1. But you can see why I was leaning toward Tyrael's chest. Whichever upgrade I choose, I'm upgrading whatever gems I can with leftover monies.
I didn't realize that you had both Inna's and Lacuni, plus Zunimassa's Trail boots. That seems... excessive. Then I thought about it, and I guess no other armors can have that high of dps stats.
I guess my current issue is trying to figure out which "major" upgrade to get next. I put major in quotes because I'm planning on spending 50-100m on it (depending on the final sale price of a couple of auctions). I can run the usual act 3 route on MP0 in archon, but the buff tends to drop in areas like the Core and Fields of Slaughter, which both have some distance to run between packs. I've been running with Blood Magic as my only life steal, which is doing the job, but I'm loathe to give up any EHP without getting better health recovery.
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Feel free to laugh at my chest piece. In my defense, it was a drop I got on my second ever inferno run, before I even cleared act 1. But you can see why I was leaning toward Tyrael's chest. Whichever upgrade I choose, I'm upgrading whatever gems I can with leftover monies.
With that amount of money, what I'd recommend is not just buying 1 major upgrade but buying a couple smaller upgrades that will really boost your dps more than 1 major one. Basically the top end set items have cheap versions with relatively high dps and low EHP, and expensive versions that have similar but maybe a bit more dps, but high EHP. So basically most of the extra cost comes from the high EHP. If you're fine with farming MP0 and MP1 for a bit, you can get away with low EHP, but the higher dps will make farming much faster.
A good chest is the Tal chest that has Int, Vit, and IAS with 3 sockets base. You can find them pretty cheap right now and for a little bit more get some extra vit and/or armor. With one of those and a few other upgrades, you should be able to hit around 100k dps or higher. I don't see anyway to up your dps that much by spending all your gold on one upgrade. Also, with the higher dps you can change out the Improved Archon rune to Teleport and make farming even faster. I love teleport rune with illusionist passive as you can really breeze through areas with ranged mobs and it even adds survivability against annoying elites like phasebeasts, or against the keywarden.
I didn't realize that you had both Inna's and Lacuni, plus Zunimassa's Trail boots. That seems... excessive. Then I thought about it, and I guess no other armors can have that high of dps stats.
I guess my current issue is trying to figure out which "major" upgrade to get next. I put major in quotes because I'm planning on spending 50-100m on it (depending on the final sale price of a couple of auctions). I can run the usual act 3 route on MP0 in archon, but the buff tends to drop in areas like the Core and Fields of Slaughter, which both have some distance to run between packs. I've been running with Blood Magic as my only life steal, which is doing the job, but I'm loathe to give up any EHP without getting better health recovery.
http://us.battle.net...53/hero/3275686
Feel free to laugh at my chest piece. In my defense, it was a drop I got on my second ever inferno run, before I even cleared act 1. But you can see why I was leaning toward Tyrael's chest. Whichever upgrade I choose, I'm upgrading whatever gems I can with leftover monies.
I was at the same point a few weeks ago, and with even less money I upgraded from 50k to 90k. I'd definitely recommend getting another 10% runspeed - your pants are not that bad, making Inna's too costly. Also, Lacuni with crit are extremely expensive, thus Tyrael's might be the cheapest option. If you spend a few millions (single digits) on a Triumverate and a second ring with +crit, and upgrade your weapon with >2.5 lifesteal and critdmg + socket instead of the APoC, you should be able to play MP2 and still have money left to shoot for a BiS (e.g., a decently rolled Witching Hour).
All stats work in synergy - an item that might give you +5000 dps now, would yield +15000 dps if you had a base dps of 150k already. Load your profile into d3up.com, browse the AH and check how dps/EHP change :-)
Hm, good point. I agree that sometimes a look into spreadsheets can help you save a lot of money or make a good decision. However, if you have any build with CM there is this thing that spreadsheets can't tell you - if you're ditching crit, your CM will proc less often. Therefore, a Lacuni w/o crit would need pretty awesome stats before I would switch. (And don't even get me started about the EHP you're most likely to lose if you opt for Lacuni instead of rare bracers...)
First thing I'd do, and do now, is get a Triumvirate OH. Use a dps calculator or spreadsheet but even a mid damage one (150 average damge) should be a pretty good upgrade. They're also pretty cheap, and now that you can search for average damage, it's even easier to get the best value for your gold. For 5 mil or so you can probably get one with around 100-300 damage, and if you're wanting a perma-Archon build, you can ignore APoC so try getting one with 200+ Int for even more dps.
You'll probably also want a weapon with Life Steal, though if you just want to farm MP0 it might not be needed. You can start with just Magic Weapon - Blood Magic and see how they are before jumping into buying a new weapon though, since Life Steal is pretty expensive right now.
If you try any mid-high MP levels, you probably want to use Force Armor, otherwise use whatever Armor you feel comfortable with. I use Force armor for all but I've got a low EHP build with high dps so I don't have the resists and armor to pull of a Prismatic Armor or Storm Armor build.
Other potential upgrades include Tal Rasha's Allegience (amulet), if you aren't super attached to your Firewalkers you can go for zunimassa boots and the ring also makes for a good 2pc bonus. Prowlers are great or if you don't mind losing the EHP you can opt for Inna's Temperance (pants) that has 1% crit, 8-9% attack speed, and 12% movement. The only downside is they roll with dex main and only 1 random, so the ones with Int are around 30 mil, meaning you'll lose a lot of EHP. Tal Rasha Relentless Persuit (chest) is another good dps piece, though to maintain the EHP of your current chest, it would likely cost most of or more than your 100 mil. Lower end ones, like 9% IAS, 150 Int, 50 vit, and armor, like mine, are 10-20 mil. Andrial's Visage is the cheap helm of choice, and you can get one for a couple mil with 50+ all resist, so you'd only lose a bit of vit but would gain 8-9% IAS.
Those upgrades are suggestions from my own experience and really give the best dps gain for your gold. The difficulty lies with deciding what you want to do with your EHP. The easiest thing to do is mostly ignore EHP as long as you're around 150k+ in Archon form and just switch to Force Armor, but you might find yourself dying more than you like. Once you have those really high dps pieces with low EHP, it's hard to upgrade to a similar piece with high EHP and it's hard to drop all that dps for the extra EHP so it's up to you if you want to upgrade 1-2 pieces to raise dps and maintain EHP or upgrade 3-5 pieces and just raise DPS pretty high.
IMO, ranking the set pieces in terms of relative DPS per cost, based on my current purchases I'd put it at Triumvirate = Andriel's Visage > Tal neck > tal chest > Zunimassa boots = ring > Witching Hour. Keep in mind that's relative to current gear and that ranking is specific to my current gear and based mostly on dps.
EDIT: Zunimassa chest is a good EHP alternative to the tal chest, if you're looking at keeping or improving your EHP. It works great for 2pc and/or 3pc bonus depending on your gearing choices.
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A lot of Archons that don't run life on hit, life steal, and or life after kill use Diamond Skin to cope. They cancel out of Archon and use conventional kiting tactics to get things done.
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However, i do have to note that for higher MP you need some pretty incredible DPS to make archon worthwhile in a solo play, in a team play - unless you have a crapload of APoC and high AIS gear + perhaps evocation - not much of a point on say MP4+, the amount of uptime of archon simply becomes too low and you're better off switching to something else.
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I vouch for that. I've been running Teleport for a while. Combine it with maximum move speed, the uptime for Archon will outlast all the buffs. MP3 is pretty standard right now for farming purposes for most classes, though higher DPS can do up to MP7 without too many headaches.
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Jaetch, what's the maximum MP you can feel 'comfortable' at with your stats?
Hey guys been lurking for a while but this latest patch has got me a bit fumed. I also would like to know what mp Jaetch is "comfortably" running
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I farm MP3-4 with the most efficiency and I think many decently to well-geared players (all classes) can attest to this. I can run Archon fairly well in MP5 and it starts to fail somewhat in MP6-7. Not that I die often in MP6-7, Archon just doesn't stay up.
I wonder how CM + Arcane Destruction Archon spam in high MP will work... Unfortunately I don't run AP on crit so I can't really test that out.
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but ml overall rule..
blizzard brought me to the point where i want to improve my stats again.. before i was thinking.. why boost dps anymore.. but no it actually makes sense to get 70% crit ,30ap on crit and attackspeed to infinity and beyond because you can allways go up in ML
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Just for a comparison, I used to have 180 int/180 vit/70 all resist/2 socket Depth Diggers pants before I switched to my current Inna's Temperance. Even though I lost a hefty amount of EHP (about 60K, if I remember correctly), I did gain over 20K DPS and fully capped out my movement speed.
The difference? I sold the Depth Diggers for 400M and bought the Inna's Temperance at 550M, which was still a ton of extra gold from my side. It's really hard to find Inna's Temperance for wizards if you want decent vitality, good int, and maximum attack speed. A better pair of Lacuni's is my next target... though I have no gold for it at the moment since I just geared up my monk
I'm not entirely sure about the worthiness of Tyrael's Might. A good set with 3 sockets and great int won't come cheap, especially when you throw something like all resist in there. I'd rather get the huge DPS boost from Inna's.
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I didn't realize that you had both Inna's and Lacuni, plus Zunimassa's Trail boots. That seems... excessive. Then I thought about it, and I guess no other armors can have that high of dps stats.
I guess my current issue is trying to figure out which "major" upgrade to get next. I put major in quotes because I'm planning on spending 50-100m on it (depending on the final sale price of a couple of auctions). I can run the usual act 3 route on MP0 in archon, but the buff tends to drop in areas like the Core and Fields of Slaughter, which both have some distance to run between packs. I've been running with Blood Magic as my only life steal, which is doing the job, but I'm loathe to give up any EHP without getting better health recovery.
http://us.battle.net...53/hero/3275686
Feel free to laugh at my chest piece. In my defense, it was a drop I got on my second ever inferno run, before I even cleared act 1. But you can see why I was leaning toward Tyrael's chest. Whichever upgrade I choose, I'm upgrading whatever gems I can with leftover monies.
With that amount of money, what I'd recommend is not just buying 1 major upgrade but buying a couple smaller upgrades that will really boost your dps more than 1 major one. Basically the top end set items have cheap versions with relatively high dps and low EHP, and expensive versions that have similar but maybe a bit more dps, but high EHP. So basically most of the extra cost comes from the high EHP. If you're fine with farming MP0 and MP1 for a bit, you can get away with low EHP, but the higher dps will make farming much faster.
A good chest is the Tal chest that has Int, Vit, and IAS with 3 sockets base. You can find them pretty cheap right now and for a little bit more get some extra vit and/or armor. With one of those and a few other upgrades, you should be able to hit around 100k dps or higher. I don't see anyway to up your dps that much by spending all your gold on one upgrade. Also, with the higher dps you can change out the Improved Archon rune to Teleport and make farming even faster. I love teleport rune with illusionist passive as you can really breeze through areas with ranged mobs and it even adds survivability against annoying elites like phasebeasts, or against the keywarden.
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My Wizard
I was at the same point a few weeks ago, and with even less money I upgraded from 50k to 90k. I'd definitely recommend getting another 10% runspeed - your pants are not that bad, making Inna's too costly. Also, Lacuni with crit are extremely expensive, thus Tyrael's might be the cheapest option. If you spend a few millions (single digits) on a Triumverate and a second ring with +crit, and upgrade your weapon with >2.5 lifesteal and critdmg + socket instead of the APoC, you should be able to play MP2 and still have money left to shoot for a BiS (e.g., a decently rolled Witching Hour).
All stats work in synergy - an item that might give you +5000 dps now, would yield +15000 dps if you had a base dps of 150k already. Load your profile into d3up.com, browse the AH and check how dps/EHP change :-)
Without hundreds of millions budget only option is mediocre DPS weapon with LS ?