I don't understand why there is so much mad in this thread lol.
Look, I progressed from 30's through 42 with a 4 man group - DH, Pull monk, Crusader, Leapquake Barbarian. No other group is that comp that I've seen. We cleared probably a dozen 40-41 rifts and a couple 42s. Not a single one was a conduit on a boss. We stalled at 43 and the monk decided to go play hardcore. I tried lots and lots of variations on the build to be able to survive and deal damage in 40-41-42.
I haven't played very many solo greater rifts but I'm sure leapquake is not very good at all past 34-35. I agree Raekor's is better even for group play because it is much higher AOE DPS - I was playing Leapquake for so long because I preferred that and it was the set I completed first in the season.
I'm just saying that people claiming you can't do 30+ with leapquake either haven't tried very hard, or are terrible at the game. I agree you're probably not going to clear a 40+ solo with leapquake, but you CAN and I have cleared many, many 40+ _group_ rifts with it. To hear people say it's impossible or that you have to get lucky or carried is all pretty funny to me.
that was a mistype i meant to type 40, because thats what the last person replied that they did. and yes you can do leapquake with 40+, because the group carries you, its at least half the damage as anyone else in the group, but you can 40 with 3 1/2 people, plus most of those barbs are coldquake with support skills and barely do any damage. look...i dont even play barb anymore, and neither does my friend that i share my account with, we both play crusader. and its MUCH better then barb, in every way possible. and there is even more viable builds as crusader. sounds like you guys are mad because you guys worked hard to get somewhere but realized you cant compete solo with leapquake without shrines cause it sucks, and guess what? Shrines are getting removed in tommorows patch. sucks to be you guys.
...plus most of those barbs are coldquake with support skills and barely do any damage...
I am the #1 barbarian in 4-man group on season ladder and I did that as fire. When we were the #2 ranked 4-man group I was hundreds of ranks ahead of the next barbarian. Every other barbarian in 4-man on the ladder appears to be Raekor (there aren't many!). In the 2-4 minutes it took to kill a rift boss with 160b hit points I probably did 40-50b damage where a Raekor barb would be mostly AFK - and I died less often than the crusader. IK Ancients Council Rises + fire EQ is very good single target damage.
Removing Pylons from rifts would be a step in the right direction for sure, but I don't see any post that says that. It is funny that you mention that with respect to Leapquake though... Leapquake can actually do damage and kill a rift boss without a conduit, it is Raekor's that struggles horribly with single target. Also at some point _no_ class can kill a riftboss in less than 15 minutes with or without a conduit due to the extreme health scaling. Blizzard has set up greater rifts in such a way that you literally can't win! If you beat 55 somehow, there will be 56 with another 10% hit points.
*** Strategy for 4-player is basically the monk piles everything up so you can nuke it with earthquake.
*** I am also the #3 barbarian on the 2-player ladder as Raekor barb with a Demon hunter, behind Alkaizer and hyorc. Strategy there is Raekor summons the boss and the DH kills it. Works very well and more reliable than hunting for a conduit.
leapquake can kill rift bosses, not at high g rifts though, and if they can its because they have a furnace, which makes white mobs take forever, and even then my crusader whos way less geared hits for way more, and im like halfway geared, wizards hit for even tripple, demon hunters hit for tripple " over time" anyways your just swapping bad damage on white mobs to bad damage on boss and vise versa. doesnt matter how you look at it, id love to see proof that you did 40+ as leapquake. i pay attention to the leaderboards all the time and it hasnt happend yet. the reason raekor is good for solo is because they clear the rift so fast it doesnt matter if they take 5 minutes to kill the boss, they clear it 3 - 5 times faster then leapquake. and anyone who says you get 100 mil on leapquake tics is using a furnace, its not possible without it, and like i said it makes you do shit for damage on white mobs which DO matter in higher greater rifts because even they have a lot of health. you can try to skip them yes, but when all said and done you need white mobs for progrfess and if you skip all the white mobs you'll find yourself at the end of the rift with not enough elite packs to kill.
I've been having a lot of issues with cold leapquake as well, given I understand it doesn't fare well to charge builds however for my play style I just enjoy the leap. I know in every ARPG there will always be one uber build per class and, several sub-optimal builds. For me I just like to leap and, it kinda sucks to see my favorite build not be able to push level 30+ not to mention even have any presence on the leader boards.
ATM, I can get to 29-30 more so 30 if I get good density. The Barbs essentially do all my single target, while I clear many champ packs by leaping to pull them a bit closer then double jump/rend leap away on the 3rd to save my ass given the leap rune I use pretty much will kill you if not careful. I'm stuck not getting a good neck that I can re-roll, and kicking myself about my current one equipped since, it was the first 70 item I picked up and, got the 100%CD first roll or else I would use Bane of Power. So right now I'm stuck, I have all the pieces to make a sub-optimal fire charge build w/o furnace but, don't really enjoy the play style.
One fix I would love to see which could help out big, is to either work in or replace that useless passive S&B with something that allows us to equip two 2h's. I think this would not only fix the single target issue for charge/leap builds and, open the floor for some crazy D2 style barb action.
id love to see proof that you did 40+ as leapquake. i pay attention to the leaderboards all the time and it hasnt happend yet.
You obviously don't pay attention very well. I'm the DH in Successbear (Failbear)'s group, and I can definitely confirm he was playing fire Leapquake when we were the 2nd group to clear 4 person grift 42 in season, with an average group paragon of about 275. So it is definitely possible, especially if you're paragon 400+ or whatever you are. Me thinks you just bad and don't know how to not stand in stuff. Or maybe the rest of your group suc..... no that can't be it.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure that myself at paragon 300 and a condemn crusader with garbage single target couldn't kill a 140 billion hp rift guardian in 2min 30sec with no pylon without at least a decent amount of damage from Successbear. So saying you have to get carried through at 40+ is just not true. Sure Raekor's is better, but every class will always have 1 build better than the rest for most situations in this game. Especially if you want to be competitive with it, thats how it always has, and always will be. If you don't like 1 spec being better than the others well then I don't know what to tell you. You should probably find a new genre of game.
id love to see proof that you did 40+ as leapquake. i pay attention to the leaderboards all the time and it hasnt happend yet.
You obviously don't pay attention very well. I'm the DH in Successbear (Failbear)'s group, and I can definitely confirm he was playing fire Leapquake when we were the 2nd group to clear 4 person grift 42 in season, with an average group paragon of about 275. So it is definitely possible, especially if you're paragon 400+ or whatever you are. Me thinks you just bad and don't know how to not stand in stuff. Or maybe the rest of your group suc..... no that can't be it.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure that myself at paragon 300 and a condemn crusader with garbage single target couldn't kill a 140 billion hp rift guardian in 2min 30sec with no pylon without at least a decent amount of damage from Successbear. So saying you have to get carried through at 40+ is just not true. Sure Raekor's is better, but every class will always have 1 build better than the rest for most situations in this game. Especially if you want to be competitive with it, thats how it always has, and always will be. If you don't like 1 spec being better than the others well then I don't know what to tell you. You should probably find a new genre of game.
raekor is not just better, its seriously 3 -4 times better. it does quadrouple the damage and thats being generous. and yes carried, because the top person who has posted their damage so far was only 100 mill with furnace, which means he not only doesnt hit that hard, he kills white mobs slow to. and more then likely he was sitting there taking screenshots until he got a nice high end crit. they do about half the damge then any class "again definitly less but being generous" so yes in my book thats a carry. call it what you want, i guess if he gives warcry you can just call him support. and no not every class has 1 build thats super strong and all the other builds suck really bad. take crusader for example. more then 3 builds and are all 40+ viable. there has NEVER been a leapquake barb solo 40+. i look at the leaderboards every single day. and theres a reason for that, its not good. kinda like the vyr's set for wizards which also does less then half he damage as firebirds. and you dont see that as a problem at all? well maybe its because your such a blizz and diablo fanboy you cant even admit when they've made the game into a game where your forced to play 1 build 1 spec 1 set of passives 1 set of gear to compete, and theyre all the same. i think it should tell you something when alkaizer has played a barb since vanilla and just now switched to crusader...hmm...i wonder why. and sadly crusaders the only class that has more then 1 build, im not counting demon hunter because moving fire to cold is not a different build in my opinion, your still laying sentries and running in circles. in my opinion there i no reason why they cant add build diversity to this game, if they can do it with crusaders they can do it with barbarians. also leapquake was supposdly buffed? thats a joke because pre patch i was critting 100 mil on my leapquakes, now i have legendary gems like bane of the powerful and trapped with over 60% more damage and i hit for 25 million less per tic....hmmm...sure was some buff.
Dude no one is saying leapquake is comparable to other classes or to reakor (which is also bad, it's just good for aoe white trash). Barb is in bad place and no one is denying it (just look at statistics).
The problem was just your original post with your ridiculous statement about your bis gear.
if you actually took the time to read my posts my friend plays my account a lot and split up half the gear for the crusader, also a lot of it is sitting in the bank just in case the crusader needs it because we no longer play crappy old barb. im not gonna keep the same gear equipped for weeks just to please you guys. and yes we had VERY close to bis, the only piece that wasnt was a lightning immune neck and even that wasnt that bad. not to mention i have 2 different sets of gear for fire and ice, my fire gear is ridiculasly good, a burning axe with 10% cooldown, max str, vit, and a socket. and we had a near perfect hellfire ammy but when we cleaned out the stach "because blizz doesnt add enough charcter slots or bank slots" we salvaged it on accident because your pretty much forced to keep your immune necks in your invintory all the time as a barb and if you have on your immune neck your hellfire is sittting in your invintory, not like it matters though, you cant even use a hellfire ammy in g rifts as a barb because of electrify.so tell me what pieces are exactly bad on my barb that im wearing atm? most of the pieces that are equipped are all still close to bis. just because i dont rings equipped doesnt mean i dont have any, same with ammy, and helm. look at my crusader, i have a 99 % rolled leorics with crit and max str, vit roll almost. and even if i didnt have EXACTLY bis, its better then anyone elses gear thats posted and i do more damage to.so i think id have a good drip on exactly what barbs can and cant do as leapquake
and im not a troll, im trying to bring attention to a major problem in this game, the problem that everyone only has 1 spec to play, 1 set of gear, 1 set of passives or they cant even compete high greater rift. i UNERSTAND that builds arent going to br perfectly balanced, but when your talking about a 10 - 15 greater rift difference in most classes i think its a bit ridiculas, and its pathetic that you guys would defend blizzard. this games been out for years and still each class only has 1 set they can use to compete? sounds a bit ridicules to me and i think a lot of people would agree.if you dont read anywhere else but barb forums you can read this for proof
and yes im saying leapauqake doesnt compete, look at the solo leaderboards and you will see why. it might be doable in group play, but you'd still be far better off with a crusader or monk or even raekor just sitting there skipping packs while your group kills it. and raekor would still be better by miles.
Love how bad this guy is trolling, so when you ask him about gear "oh I uninstalled diablo" you ask em about his setup some more "oh I gave it away to a friend gear is different" I am either calling bullshit on everything he has said or he is just trolling hard.
Love how bad this guy is trolling, so when you ask him about gear "oh I uninstalled diablo" you ask em about his setup some more "oh I gave it away to a friend gear is different" I am either calling bullshit on everything he has said or he is just trolling hard.
yep, pretty much. Who would salvage "a near perfect hellfire ammy" just for 1 slot of space?
Sounds like a 13 year old girl who got her phone taken away.
edit, nvm saw it was "on accident" so i guess people will just take your word for it that you have perfect gear (lol)
lol you guys are complaining about a t 6 item at best, greater rifts is what the game is about, and ive got a lightning immune necklace. so yes i do consider that best in slot, you guys are the trolls, find anything to counter someone just to try to be right. i did uninstall the game after findinf out barb was completly useless in group play in higher greater rifts unless you supported the group and did dick for damage. i gave my friend the account, now we share it, people switch ammy's all the time for t 6 and then greater rifts. why in the hell would i wear a lightning immune neck for t 6 when it doesnt do shit in t 6? real smart. maybe its you guys that need your brains checked out.
also people are pretty much being forced to keep gear in thier invintory because people use different gear for t 6 and greater rifts AND trials. so yes, its not unheard of to accidently salvage an item. hell ive even seen people sell their botmless potions to the vendor all the time...i dont see the difference besides something that says you need to click ok, which im soooo used to doing because 99% of legendaries are junk.
and like i said, i play the game and do different things and on different toons, i always wear different gear and swap gear and so does my friend. do you really think im gonna find all new gear for my crusader just because i dont wanna move the gear from my barb? yeah that would be realllll smart.
you guys are just dodging the issues and facts im providing and saying i dont have gear because you spend hundreds of hours to do less then half the damage then any other class, unless your raekor, and in that case you cant even really play in a group in high greater rifts. i think its funny, you know i acctually kept my gear on for 1 whole day so everyone could see while i made this thread, you expect me to do that for over a week? then you sir are a derp. not to mention my fire gear is better, turns out ice is just a better spec. go figuere.you guys will find anything to try to prove me wrong, its kind of sad. what next? im paragon 520 and thats to low? im sure you guys will come up with something else, i dont care, i dont even play barb anymore and neither does my friend. the class is terrible for group play.saying you got to greater rift 42 with a barb in your party doesnt mean a thing, your warcry probably helped more then your damage did. and because they're shrines in the game, its not like thats even an accomplishment. what you got lucky so all of the sudden barbs are good? its more like conduits are good and so are shielding pylons.
id love to see you get anywhere near a rift boss at 40 +, he'll kill you in 1 shot from just being in his pressence while the rest of the group kills it.
Look, I progressed from 30's through 42 with a 4 man group - DH, Pull monk, Crusader, Leapquake Barbarian. No other group is that comp that I've seen. We cleared probably a dozen 40-41 rifts and a couple 42s. Not a single one was a conduit on a boss. We stalled at 43 and the monk decided to go play hardcore. I tried lots and lots of variations on the build to be able to survive and deal damage in 40-41-42.
I haven't played very many solo greater rifts but I'm sure leapquake is not very good at all past 34-35. I agree Raekor's is better even for group play because it is much higher AOE DPS - I was playing Leapquake for so long because I preferred that and it was the set I completed first in the season.
I'm just saying that people claiming you can't do 30+ with leapquake either haven't tried very hard, or are terrible at the game. I agree you're probably not going to clear a 40+ solo with leapquake, but you CAN and I have cleared many, many 40+ _group_ rifts with it. To hear people say it's impossible or that you have to get lucky or carried is all pretty funny to me.
Removing Pylons from rifts would be a step in the right direction for sure, but I don't see any post that says that. It is funny that you mention that with respect to Leapquake though... Leapquake can actually do damage and kill a rift boss without a conduit, it is Raekor's that struggles horribly with single target. Also at some point _no_ class can kill a riftboss in less than 15 minutes with or without a conduit due to the extreme health scaling. Blizzard has set up greater rifts in such a way that you literally can't win! If you beat 55 somehow, there will be 56 with another 10% hit points.
*** Strategy for 4-player is basically the monk piles everything up so you can nuke it with earthquake.
*** I am also the #3 barbarian on the 2-player ladder as Raekor barb with a Demon hunter, behind Alkaizer and hyorc. Strategy there is Raekor summons the boss and the DH kills it. Works very well and more reliable than hunting for a conduit.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Valkris-1888/hero/51742213 my seasonal barb cold/quake
ATM, I can get to 29-30 more so 30 if I get good density. The Barbs essentially do all my single target, while I clear many champ packs by leaping to pull them a bit closer then double jump/rend leap away on the 3rd to save my ass given the leap rune I use pretty much will kill you if not careful. I'm stuck not getting a good neck that I can re-roll, and kicking myself about my current one equipped since, it was the first 70 item I picked up and, got the 100%CD first roll or else I would use Bane of Power. So right now I'm stuck, I have all the pieces to make a sub-optimal fire charge build w/o furnace but, don't really enjoy the play style.
One fix I would love to see which could help out big, is to either work in or replace that useless passive S&B with something that allows us to equip two 2h's. I think this would not only fix the single target issue for charge/leap builds and, open the floor for some crazy D2 style barb action.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure that myself at paragon 300 and a condemn crusader with garbage single target couldn't kill a 140 billion hp rift guardian in 2min 30sec with no pylon without at least a decent amount of damage from Successbear. So saying you have to get carried through at 40+ is just not true. Sure Raekor's is better, but every class will always have 1 build better than the rest for most situations in this game. Especially if you want to be competitive with it, thats how it always has, and always will be. If you don't like 1 spec being better than the others well then I don't know what to tell you. You should probably find a new genre of game.
and im not a troll, im trying to bring attention to a major problem in this game, the problem that everyone only has 1 spec to play, 1 set of gear, 1 set of passives or they cant even compete high greater rift. i UNERSTAND that builds arent going to br perfectly balanced, but when your talking about a 10 - 15 greater rift difference in most classes i think its a bit ridiculas, and its pathetic that you guys would defend blizzard. this games been out for years and still each class only has 1 set they can use to compete? sounds a bit ridicules to me and i think a lot of people would agree.if you dont read anywhere else but barb forums you can read this for proof
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/93411-blizzard-will-lose-their-most-experienced-players
and yes im saying leapauqake doesnt compete, look at the solo leaderboards and you will see why. it might be doable in group play, but you'd still be far better off with a crusader or monk or even raekor just sitting there skipping packs while your group kills it. and raekor would still be better by miles.
Sounds like a 13 year old girl who got her phone taken away.
edit, nvm saw it was "on accident" so i guess people will just take your word for it that you have perfect gear (lol)
also people are pretty much being forced to keep gear in thier invintory because people use different gear for t 6 and greater rifts AND trials. so yes, its not unheard of to accidently salvage an item. hell ive even seen people sell their botmless potions to the vendor all the time...i dont see the difference besides something that says you need to click ok, which im soooo used to doing because 99% of legendaries are junk.
and like i said, i play the game and do different things and on different toons, i always wear different gear and swap gear and so does my friend. do you really think im gonna find all new gear for my crusader just because i dont wanna move the gear from my barb? yeah that would be realllll smart.
you guys are just dodging the issues and facts im providing and saying i dont have gear because you spend hundreds of hours to do less then half the damage then any other class, unless your raekor, and in that case you cant even really play in a group in high greater rifts. i think its funny, you know i acctually kept my gear on for 1 whole day so everyone could see while i made this thread, you expect me to do that for over a week? then you sir are a derp. not to mention my fire gear is better, turns out ice is just a better spec. go figuere.you guys will find anything to try to prove me wrong, its kind of sad. what next? im paragon 520 and thats to low? im sure you guys will come up with something else, i dont care, i dont even play barb anymore and neither does my friend. the class is terrible for group play.saying you got to greater rift 42 with a barb in your party doesnt mean a thing, your warcry probably helped more then your damage did. and because they're shrines in the game, its not like thats even an accomplishment. what you got lucky so all of the sudden barbs are good? its more like conduits are good and so are shielding pylons.
id love to see you get anywhere near a rift boss at 40 +, he'll kill you in 1 shot from just being in his pressence while the rest of the group kills it.