Im sure this game will be "good" but im a bit worried as of late for blizzard as a whole. look i am not a star craft 2 beta tester but i am a Heroes of Newerth =HON beta tester which is created by a small developer S2 games. why am i bringing this up this is why:
People on the starcraft 2 beta forums have been complaining about the beta.
why you might ask? because HON has many things implemented that a Big developer such as Blizzard has not implanted! like what you might ask?
In HoN i can reconnect to games i D/C from or get a game crash from ect...
in starcraft 2? if you get dced or a crash thats it games over your done and who ever is left in the game is screwed to play a broken game with a missing team mate.
Games are hosted by HON's network with First Person shooter Ping.
blizzard uses 150-250 ms servers and its hosted by users and so forth.
why is this bad? because of the speed of reaction of units is IMPORTANT.
Also by having the game hosted on HON there is no way for a map hack to be implemented! all the data of the enemy team is hosted on S2's servers. instead of client side with a "fog of war" like star craft 2
REPLAYS: in HON i can watch any replay even the uber pro players easily if i have the match ID which i can look up by looken up players past games they have played! and download them and watch how pros play and learn strat's and so forth. guess what? sc2? i either have to be in the game or watch them posted on youtube.
I mean honestly there is alot of things this small developer is doing way better then Blizzard online wise then this giant which noobs feed millions of dollars too play WoW every month. its kinda shocking....
Now onto Diablo 3.
i just bought god of war 3 which was in development for 3 years. Graphics and game play are epic as hell and awesome. Diablo 3? has been in devo for god knows how long. Graphics are subpar and who knows what els could be archaic about this game that IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT.
I mean there is something wrong in the world of blizzard and now im scared for diablo 3.... my favorite game from blizzard. i could care less about warcraft or starcraft i am not a nerd with no life who needs to escape reality nor korean.
so i put this to you. if starcraft 2 is such full of fail right now. what makes you think Diablo 3 would be any better?
all starcraft 2 is a shiny starcraft with some new units. nothing new gameplay wise. so im betting against it. i was hyped for RA3= red alert 3 but all it was was a shinny RA series. and it failed.
Im sad to say blizzard is failing and horribly lately. dont get me wrong i know games arent about graphics but by the time Diablo 3 comes out i mean really WTF? 2011 Maybe being released and what does the graphics look like? in all honesty something that should have come out 4 years ago.
again im not saying its all about graphics but i mean honestly WTF?! look HON is in Beta and has better implementation in online player community and playability then any other RTS to date. S2Games is way smaller then Blizzard or EA. also the graphics are on par or better then SC2. so i say again i am scared for Diablo 3.
Though you have some valid points (like the missing reconect feature in SC2) i believe there is nothing to fear for now.
SC2 beta is far from a failure. The game isn't revolutionare but it's not supposed to be. Starcraft is not just a game, it's a sport. And you cannot inovate in a sport.
And the game was greatly improved. SC and BW was the jewel of RTS because of the perfect delimitations of macro and micro management. Those 2 areas are now even better in SC2.
About the comparison between god of war 3 and diablo 3 i totally agree. I can only judge the game after it comes out, but so far i don't see any reason for 7 years of development invested. I can only believe, for some reason, wow success slowed down D3 and SC2 projects, because not even in hell those games would take more then 3~4 years to be maded.
Blizzard will polish Diablo III until it looks like a frickin' diamond, don't worry. I know what you mean when comparing it to God of War III though. But then, you have to remember Diablo III is going to be about 30hrs long whereas God of War III was maybe only, what? 8?
The game will be great no doubt, I just wish they'd hurry up.
God of War 3 is around 10 hrs leght.
Those are two completly different games. But c'mon, i played SC2 beta and i still can't believe they took that long. Not that the game isn't good, it's just that 7 years sounds a bit to much.
The thing to remember is that they don't want to turn players that spend over $200/year on subs and annualized xp boxes into someone that just buys a box. Let's say a player stops playing WoW when SC1 comes out, buys all 3 SC boxes through summer 2012 and buys D3. They will actually have lost money on that player relative to WoW subs, even with selling over $200 in boxes to them.
This isn't quite so much of a threat with a science-fiction RTS that doesn't really cross over with WoW in any meaningful way, but this is why we still may never see D3. If you had the most profitable product in entertainment, with insane profit margins, would you want to release its only potential killer?
also aslei i put this to you. you have no idea what you are talking about. let me just stomp one of your comebacks. No need for reconnect ? dude who says your gunna be dc'd for a minute? you ally could control your base while you dc'd. you are i am sorry to say a moron and i know you need to go play WoW so piss off. get out of here man. you really have no idea wtf your talken about dude i dont want this to turn into a flame war. just thoughts but you sir are pretty stupid. by what you posted.
Irrelevant to not have a 100% anti-maphack? dude any 1 can get around a anti cheat system s2games said fck anti cheat systems we'll make it un-hackable unless you hack our servers which you could go to jail for lols.
to bad there are already maphacks for sc2. lols
why do the biggest tards respond to these threads with the most mundane comments.
literally your post just showed your a jack ass and a moron grats
God of war... Diablo 3.... two completely different types of game.
Well done.
LOL so both are not hack and slash games? i mean one you can play online and equip items the other you cant. but you both just kill stuff all day. with button mashen. or mouse clicking. another awesome fail post.
The thing to remember is that they don't want to turn players that spend over $200/year on subs and annualized xp boxes into someone that just buys a box. Let's say a player stops playing WoW when SC1 comes out, buys all 3 SC boxes through summer 2012 and buys D3. They will actually have lost money on that player relative to WoW subs, even with selling over $200 in boxes to them.
This isn't quite so much of a threat with a science-fiction RTS that doesn't really cross over with WoW in any meaningful way, but this is why we still may never see D3. If you had the most profitable product in entertainment, with insane profit margins, would you want to release its only potential killer?
Well that depends on how you define your product category. On one hand, there is MMORPG, and the other is RPG. I'm not really sure how many people that play WoW will switch to Diablo 3, but I doubt it will be substantial. I think Blizzard is trying to target the audience that is still playing D2, D2 LoD (which is quite a bit) and instead opt for an untapped market that has not been reached through WoW...
As mentioned, one on-line issue with Starcraft does not denote that Diablo 3 will be bad. They have said that they are adding features to quickly group parties together. So, if you disconnect, you can re-join, regardless of how it works for Starcraft.
As far as GoW, you cannot compare these games. First with the graphics. Blizzard has always purposely lowered their graphics to add better gameplay and a wider audience. I personally do not care how it "looks" as long as it is fun to play. As far as development time goes, GoW takes a few hours to beat. Diablo 3 will have hundreds of hours of replayability. Random quests and areas, thousands of items, hundreds of skills, skill runes, crafting, mulitplayer, co-op, PvP. It is really easy to see why they have taken longer to create this game. GoW will stay popular for another year or two. Diablo 3 will remain popular for at least ten years. Also, while it has been in production for about seven years, they were not seven full years of production and the game was pretty much restarted from scratch about four years ago.
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Blizzard has always purposely lowered their graphics to add better gameplay and a wider audience.
LMFAO. Purposely lowered their graphics to add better gameplay? Nice completely unsubstantiated claim there. Care to give examples of how limiting graphics added to better gameplay?
Besides, always lowered their graphics? D1 had great graphics for its time. d2 was par with other games of the same genre and its graphics were modern enough. Sc1 had up to date graphics, so did all the warcraft games.... so did WoW....
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I personally do not care how it "looks" as long as it is fun to play.
Obviously. But improved "looks" can improve game experience.
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Also, while it has been in production for about seven years, they were not seven full years of production and the game was pretty much restarted from scratch about four years ago.
Hah, so its only taken 4 years?
im in sc2 beta as well, while its fun, i see no reason why its taken this long to make it. There is nothing revolutionary about it as we all agree, so why did it take so long? Why do they have to release it in 3 installments? lol.
Stop with the fanboyism. Its ok to be critical of blizzard. you need not be afraid.
As mentioned, one on-line issue with Starcraft does not denote that Diablo 3 will be bad. They have said that they are adding features to quickly group parties together. So, if you disconnect, you can re-join, regardless of how it works for Starcraft.
LMFAO one online issue? what about how there is already a maphack for SC2? when HON made it pretty much impossible to maphack? i mean honestly blizzard makes so much money yet they implement nothing? they can afford these things. honestly if you think there is only one issue with sc2 you have no idea what is going on in that community.
when a person can host a game like in wc3. they can easily kick people with dropping there connection to them. HON disabled that. by having all the hosting done by them. they have servers in every region of the globe! i get 30 ping or less on USE servers. 120 ping on euro and so forth.
sc2 is failure online wise. and why did they take so long to release sc2 and D3? for battle.net 2.0 which i haven't even seen with my own eyes yet but from people who are in the beta who actually are top tier players say its crap. dude really open your eyes people. blizzard is just after money. WoW sucks ass now. why? because they wanted to keep every one playing it so they made it retard easy! how in the hell do you get BOP epics for 80 when ur not even 80!
Honestly Blizzard is turning into a pile of crap and its sad a lot of people are blind because they believe blizzard can do no wrong.
you guys said they wanted to make starcraft a e-sport? then why did they not make it so they host the replays for games? at-least the ladder games?
all i am saying is if SC2 is imo a failure at the moment its in beta and could change. what do you think Diablo 3 is like? how about this! the people who have been to blizzcon and played the hands on demo. please without a over reaction of how awesome playing diablo 3 was, how good was it? did it feel like the next step in diablo?
im not trying to flame blizzard but i mean DAMN why cant any one see this cash giant is doing nothing with its money to improve the game for the gamers? I AM A GAMER! i will not tolerate crap because it has the name Diablo in it.
i think blizzard has stopped listening to its players. have you noticed they take no advice and say oh yea that was a good idea we'll implement that or something from the public? NO.
all we have heard from the diablo team thus far is were making it. thats it. don't like it? shove it. this game is about demon's and monsters when i look at diablo game plays the monsters look so corny its not even funny.. like that would scare any one going in.
diablo was about being scared of the unknown not just running around killing stuff like there is no tomorrow! there is no scare affect to the diablo 3. it lost it with the way the game went. there is no omg wtf is that thing. oh crap AHHH. or is that just one monster? oh no a dozen SHETTT!
First off, the lowered graphics add for more "stuff" on the screen yet requires lower PC req. Also, they can spend far less development time perfecting graphics and can spend that time creating more quests, skills, monsters, and items to the game. That to me is more fun than saying my character looks realistic.
None of Blizzard's games have ever had top of the line graphics. WoW, with its stylized approach, certainly does not. Diablo 2 and SC used 2-D sprites when games were using 3-D models.
As far as the development goes, we are not debating the timeline for SC but Diablo and as I mentioned.
As far as development time goes, GoW takes a few hours to beat. Diablo 3 will have hundreds of hours of replayability. Random quests and areas, thousands of items, hundreds of skills, skill runes, crafting, mulitplayer, co-op, PvP. It is really easy to see why they have taken longer to create this game. GoW will stay popular for another year or two. Diablo 3 will remain popular for at least ten years. Also, while it has been in production for about seven years, they were not seven full years of production and the game was pretty much restarted from scratch about four years ago.
Lastly, with the fanboyism, I speak only from fact and base my opinion on that. I also do not try to knock a game that is not even out yet and we know so little about it. I am not afraid, just not prejudice.
EDIT: @ whirlwind - The only SC issue that involves Diablo is the game drops and rejoining. If you would like to discuss SC2, that's fine but you are using it to discuss concerns with Diablo 3. I also see you failed to include any rebuttal to the development part of my post. Is this because it makes sense to you now.
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Scyberdragon dude im not talken about how sc2 affects D3 im saying that if SC2 is such failure why would you think Diablo 3 would be any different? Why has blizzard released nothing on this game? are they ashamed that what they have so far is crap? Why are they so up tight about there beta's?
dont they want as much feedback as possible? why not put out a beta? honestly. What i have seen from diablo 3 they should at least have some sort of closed beta. a beta is to test stuff and get the publics opinion it doesn't need to be perfect yet blizzard is so afraid of betas its hysterical. maybe they are worried another company will rip them off and do it better because they are so lazy?
i honestly would love for a good dungeon crawler it doesn't have to be a blizzard game to be good.
SC2 beta is far from a failure. The game isn't revolutionare but it's not supposed to be. Starcraft is not just a game, it's a sport. And you cannot inovate in a sport.
Bullshit argument. Game sports and real life sports are two completely different things. You certainly can innovate here, thats no excuse.
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You miss the point entirely of how starcraft works, If you're gone for a minute the game is arleady over. Reconnecting would be utterly pointless.
Bullshit again. In team games, you can still hold the fort and even control your friend's base until he reconnect. Of course in 1v1, unless the game would pause, its game over.
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This isn't quite so much of a threat with a science-fiction RTS that doesn't really cross over with WoW in any meaningful way, but this is why we still may never see D3. If you had the most profitable product in entertainment, with insane profit margins, would you want to release its only potential killer?
That stupid argument again. If someone just stop playing WoW for such a simple game as D3, then he was not going to play WoW for long. D3 is not an MMO, many of you guys here also have been overplaying D2 in a way I'm sure any WoW players can't understand. Its not the kind of game that is supposed to -steal- players from WoW, because its not supposed to keep them playing forever.
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LMFAO. Purposely lowered their graphics to add better gameplay? Nice completely unsubstantiated claim there. Care to give examples of how limiting graphics added to better gameplay?
Graphics innovations are all over and they suck. Better graphics limit sales. Better graphics takes a LOT more work than you think. Better graphics has been like an anchor for games for years because of stupid company focusing on that. Blizzard is SMART for not doing that. Besides, their graphics are damn good enough, though the style not to everyone's liking. Anyone whining about the graphics about SC2 or D3 should just go play CoD4 and get the hell out. No one wants graphic whores around that ruins the game world and there's plenty of other games to satisfy someone's eyes.
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when a person can host a game like in wc3. they can easily kick people with dropping there connection to them. HON disabled that. by having all the hosting done by them. they have servers in every region of the globe! i get 30 ping or less on USE servers. 120 ping on euro and so forth.
120 ping on euro? I call fake, but whatever. Ping and hosting done by them or not is pretty damn irrelevant. What IS relevant is the million of players that would be hosted on Blizzard's servers for no additional fee.
I have no idea how HON can manage such a thing, either its just not popular enough or something, but the servers requirements to host every game in the world for a game like SC2 -is- huge and no sane company would do it that way without asking for additional fees by the players.
The whole "hack prevention" shit is derived from this, Blizzard certainly is willing to take actions but with such a limitation, a REALISTIC limitation if you don't just throw shit and them and say "SPEND MONEY FOR US". And I do not believe that HON cannot be the victim of any hack, but thats hard to prove.
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Scyberdragon dude im not talken about how sc2 affects D3 im saying that if SC2 is such failure why would you think Diablo 3 would be any different? Why has blizzard released nothing on this game? are they ashamed that what they have so far is crap? Why are they so up tight about there beta's?
dont they want as much feedback as possible? why not put out a beta? honestly. What i have seen from diablo 3 they should at least have some sort of closed beta. a beta is to test stuff and get the publics opinion it doesn't need to be perfect yet blizzard is so afraid of betas its hysterical. maybe they are worried another company will rip them off and do it better because they are so lazy?
i honestly would love for a good dungeon crawler it doesn't have to be a blizzard game to be good.
Betas requires one thing. The game to actually be in its BETA PHASE. D3 is far from done. OMG, THEY ARE NOT TELLING US EVERYTHING.... why the FUCK would they? Because there's just no freakin' point to do it, they don't need now to tell you everything and the game is still in an ever changing state, where telling us too much piss more people off in the long run.
SC2 is not quite the failure. I didn't know they were so lazy. If you honestly would love for a good dungeon crawler thats not by Blizzard then just get the hell out of here. We don't need you whining with stupid comments like "someone else could do them better" and shit.
Next time you make a whining topic, you should try a different approach.
Scyberdragon dude im not talken about how sc2 affects D3 im saying that if SC2 is such failure why would you think Diablo 3 would be any different?
It is hard to say SC is a failure based on some people voicing their opinion on a beta. People are more likely to voice out an opinion when it is negative rather than positive. You may have heard some people complaining about SC but what about the hundreds or thousands of other people who are enjoying. It sounds like you obviously realy enjoy HoN and you want SC to be like ti or at least have similar features. That is your opinion, others do not. That does not make the game a fail.
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Why has blizzard released nothing on this game? are they ashamed that what they have so far is crap?
Most companies do not release a lot of enough on their games before release. One, they are constantly changing things and do not want tpeople to get upset when these changes are made, with the public thinking these things were concrete. secondly, for hype. Letting people know everything about the game diminishes a sense of intrigue to the game.
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Why are they so up tight about there beta's?
Most companies are uptight about betas because theur game is not out yet. competitors may see things and chnage their games to reflect this. Also, if they change things after beta, they don't want people knowing what did not work before the change.
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dont they want as much feedback as possible?
They do, from people who have gotten to play the game itself and not feedback from people who have just heard other peoples' opinions.
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why not put out a beta? honestly. What i have seen from diablo 3 they should at least have some sort of closed beta. a beta is to test stuff and get the publics opinion it doesn't need to be perfect yet blizzard is so afraid of betas its hysterical. maybe they are worried another company will rip them off and do it better because they are so lazy?
i honestly would love for a good dungeon crawler it doesn't have to be a blizzard game to be good.
You or anybody has no idea what they have completed for Diablo. Most if not all companies only release a beta for the public a few months before release. Blizzard has their own team of testers and do not need untrained people to test the games for them.
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fanboy nothing. First off, the lowered graphics add for more "stuff" on the screen yet requires lower PC req. Also, they can spend far less development time perfecting graphics and can spend that time creating more quests, skills, monsters, and items to the game. That to me is more fun than saying my character looks realistic.
None of Blizzard's games have ever had top of the line graphics. WoW, with its stylized approach, certainly does not. Diablo 2 and SC used 2-D sprites when games were using 3-D models.
As far as the development goes, we are not debating the timeline for SC but Diablo and as I mentioned.
Lastly, with the fanboyism, I speak only from fact and base my opinion on that. I also do not try to knock a game that is not even out yet and we know so little about it. I am not afraid, just not prejudice.
EDIT: @ whirlwind - The only SC issue that involves Diablo is the game drops and rejoining. If you would like to discuss SC2, that's fine but you are using it to discuss concerns with Diablo 3. I also see you failed to include any rebuttal to the development part of my post. Is this because it makes sense to you now.
Graphics sliders can address PC reqs. Maybe blizz just doesnt want to hurt people's feelings that they cant play on ultra high? I dont see a reason why blizzard wouldnt at least make it look like a 2011(maybe) game. Other games OUT NOW, have lots of stuff on screen too and look great. A game thats still in development to be released in a few years isnt going to look better? Damn, what a shame. Lost opportunity for lots of 'whoa' moments and added immersiveness.
More development time for other things? You do know that everyone doesnt work on the same aspects of the game as everyone else right?
"more monsters, more random quests, more items"... yeah because thats going to take a ton of time. Quests? Go kill this dude, go get this item. More items? Lets make a sword with these random names/stats. Well done!!!! This is so tough! Give me a break.
Your defenses of blizzard are baseless.
When d3 looks like this but could have looked so much better, its people like you who are to blame.
Again, the grpahics are scaled down to lower Pc reqs. They could add a slider for graphics but then they are still having to develop these graphics. Yes, they are different departments but two things. One, the money spent on the graphics team can be spent elsewhere to optimize gameplay over graphics. Two, Because it is a seperate team, that means that department takes all of that work and increases development time for the game.
If graphics are your biggest concern for a game, then play games that focus on graphics. blizzard and Diablo are not for you then. They will not be increasing their graphics to match current games.
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D3 is not an MMO, many of you guys here also have been overplaying D2 in a way I'm sure any WoW players can't understand. Its not the kind of game that is supposed to -steal- players from WoW, because its not supposed to keep them playing forever.
As usual, SFJ, the weaker your argument, the more you flame.
You think that thread has over 200 replies over 2 years because it is a non-issue? You think they're at the ten year mark since D2 because they are in a hurry to compete with WoW?
Wait wait, so you post pictures that are almost two years old, then QQ about how the graphics are horribad? Give me a break.
Watch the videos in sequential order, from the very first video, all the way up to the last monk gameplay trailer. You will notice how far the graphics have come, and will give you an idea as to how far they will go before release.
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People on the starcraft 2 beta forums have been complaining about the beta.
why you might ask? because HON has many things implemented that a Big developer such as Blizzard has not implanted! like what you might ask?
In HoN i can reconnect to games i D/C from or get a game crash from ect...
in starcraft 2? if you get dced or a crash thats it games over your done and who ever is left in the game is screwed to play a broken game with a missing team mate.
Games are hosted by HON's network with First Person shooter Ping.
blizzard uses 150-250 ms servers and its hosted by users and so forth.
why is this bad? because of the speed of reaction of units is IMPORTANT.
Also by having the game hosted on HON there is no way for a map hack to be implemented! all the data of the enemy team is hosted on S2's servers. instead of client side with a "fog of war" like star craft 2
REPLAYS: in HON i can watch any replay even the uber pro players easily if i have the match ID which i can look up by looken up players past games they have played! and download them and watch how pros play and learn strat's and so forth. guess what? sc2? i either have to be in the game or watch them posted on youtube.
I mean honestly there is alot of things this small developer is doing way better then Blizzard online wise then this giant which noobs feed millions of dollars too play WoW every month. its kinda shocking....
Now onto Diablo 3.
i just bought god of war 3 which was in development for 3 years. Graphics and game play are epic as hell and awesome. Diablo 3? has been in devo for god knows how long. Graphics are subpar and who knows what els could be archaic about this game that IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT.
I mean there is something wrong in the world of blizzard and now im scared for diablo 3.... my favorite game from blizzard. i could care less about warcraft or starcraft i am not a nerd with no life who needs to escape reality nor korean.
so i put this to you. if starcraft 2 is such full of fail right now. what makes you think Diablo 3 would be any better?
all starcraft 2 is a shiny starcraft with some new units. nothing new gameplay wise. so im betting against it. i was hyped for RA3= red alert 3 but all it was was a shinny RA series. and it failed.
Im sad to say blizzard is failing and horribly lately. dont get me wrong i know games arent about graphics but by the time Diablo 3 comes out i mean really WTF? 2011 Maybe being released and what does the graphics look like? in all honesty something that should have come out 4 years ago.
again im not saying its all about graphics but i mean honestly WTF?! look HON is in Beta and has better implementation in online player community and playability then any other RTS to date. S2Games is way smaller then Blizzard or EA. also the graphics are on par or better then SC2. so i say again i am scared for Diablo 3.
SC2 beta is far from a failure. The game isn't revolutionare but it's not supposed to be. Starcraft is not just a game, it's a sport. And you cannot inovate in a sport.
And the game was greatly improved. SC and BW was the jewel of RTS because of the perfect delimitations of macro and micro management. Those 2 areas are now even better in SC2.
About the comparison between god of war 3 and diablo 3 i totally agree. I can only judge the game after it comes out, but so far i don't see any reason for 7 years of development invested. I can only believe, for some reason, wow success slowed down D3 and SC2 projects, because not even in hell those games would take more then 3~4 years to be maded.
God of War 3 is around 10 hrs leght.
Those are two completly different games. But c'mon, i played SC2 beta and i still can't believe they took that long. Not that the game isn't good, it's just that 7 years sounds a bit to much.
The thing to remember is that they don't want to turn players that spend over $200/year on subs and annualized xp boxes into someone that just buys a box. Let's say a player stops playing WoW when SC1 comes out, buys all 3 SC boxes through summer 2012 and buys D3. They will actually have lost money on that player relative to WoW subs, even with selling over $200 in boxes to them.
This isn't quite so much of a threat with a science-fiction RTS that doesn't really cross over with WoW in any meaningful way, but this is why we still may never see D3. If you had the most profitable product in entertainment, with insane profit margins, would you want to release its only potential killer?
Irrelevant to not have a 100% anti-maphack? dude any 1 can get around a anti cheat system s2games said fck anti cheat systems we'll make it un-hackable unless you hack our servers which you could go to jail for lols.
to bad there are already maphacks for sc2. lols
why do the biggest tards respond to these threads with the most mundane comments.
literally your post just showed your a jack ass and a moron grats
LOL so both are not hack and slash games? i mean one you can play online and equip items the other you cant. but you both just kill stuff all day. with button mashen. or mouse clicking. another awesome fail post.
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As far as GoW, you cannot compare these games. First with the graphics. Blizzard has always purposely lowered their graphics to add better gameplay and a wider audience. I personally do not care how it "looks" as long as it is fun to play. As far as development time goes, GoW takes a few hours to beat. Diablo 3 will have hundreds of hours of replayability. Random quests and areas, thousands of items, hundreds of skills, skill runes, crafting, mulitplayer, co-op, PvP. It is really easy to see why they have taken longer to create this game. GoW will stay popular for another year or two. Diablo 3 will remain popular for at least ten years. Also, while it has been in production for about seven years, they were not seven full years of production and the game was pretty much restarted from scratch about four years ago.
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LMFAO. Purposely lowered their graphics to add better gameplay? Nice completely unsubstantiated claim there. Care to give examples of how limiting graphics added to better gameplay?
Besides, always lowered their graphics? D1 had great graphics for its time. d2 was par with other games of the same genre and its graphics were modern enough. Sc1 had up to date graphics, so did all the warcraft games.... so did WoW....
Obviously. But improved "looks" can improve game experience.
Hah, so its only taken 4 years?
im in sc2 beta as well, while its fun, i see no reason why its taken this long to make it. There is nothing revolutionary about it as we all agree, so why did it take so long? Why do they have to release it in 3 installments? lol.
Stop with the fanboyism. Its ok to be critical of blizzard. you need not be afraid.
LMFAO one online issue? what about how there is already a maphack for SC2? when HON made it pretty much impossible to maphack? i mean honestly blizzard makes so much money yet they implement nothing? they can afford these things. honestly if you think there is only one issue with sc2 you have no idea what is going on in that community.
when a person can host a game like in wc3. they can easily kick people with dropping there connection to them. HON disabled that. by having all the hosting done by them. they have servers in every region of the globe! i get 30 ping or less on USE servers. 120 ping on euro and so forth.
sc2 is failure online wise. and why did they take so long to release sc2 and D3? for battle.net 2.0 which i haven't even seen with my own eyes yet but from people who are in the beta who actually are top tier players say its crap. dude really open your eyes people. blizzard is just after money. WoW sucks ass now. why? because they wanted to keep every one playing it so they made it retard easy! how in the hell do you get BOP epics for 80 when ur not even 80!
Honestly Blizzard is turning into a pile of crap and its sad a lot of people are blind because they believe blizzard can do no wrong.
you guys said they wanted to make starcraft a e-sport? then why did they not make it so they host the replays for games? at-least the ladder games?
all i am saying is if SC2 is imo a failure at the moment its in beta and could change. what do you think Diablo 3 is like? how about this! the people who have been to blizzcon and played the hands on demo. please without a over reaction of how awesome playing diablo 3 was, how good was it? did it feel like the next step in diablo?
im not trying to flame blizzard but i mean DAMN why cant any one see this cash giant is doing nothing with its money to improve the game for the gamers? I AM A GAMER! i will not tolerate crap because it has the name Diablo in it.
i think blizzard has stopped listening to its players. have you noticed they take no advice and say oh yea that was a good idea we'll implement that or something from the public? NO.
all we have heard from the diablo team thus far is were making it. thats it. don't like it? shove it. this game is about demon's and monsters when i look at diablo game plays the monsters look so corny its not even funny.. like that would scare any one going in.
diablo was about being scared of the unknown not just running around killing stuff like there is no tomorrow! there is no scare affect to the diablo 3. it lost it with the way the game went. there is no omg wtf is that thing. oh crap AHHH. or is that just one monster? oh no a dozen SHETTT!
None of Blizzard's games have ever had top of the line graphics. WoW, with its stylized approach, certainly does not. Diablo 2 and SC used 2-D sprites when games were using 3-D models.
As far as the development goes, we are not debating the timeline for SC but Diablo and as I mentioned.
Lastly, with the fanboyism, I speak only from fact and base my opinion on that. I also do not try to knock a game that is not even out yet and we know so little about it. I am not afraid, just not prejudice.
EDIT: @ whirlwind - The only SC issue that involves Diablo is the game drops and rejoining. If you would like to discuss SC2, that's fine but you are using it to discuss concerns with Diablo 3. I also see you failed to include any rebuttal to the development part of my post. Is this because it makes sense to you now.
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dont they want as much feedback as possible? why not put out a beta? honestly. What i have seen from diablo 3 they should at least have some sort of closed beta. a beta is to test stuff and get the publics opinion it doesn't need to be perfect yet blizzard is so afraid of betas its hysterical. maybe they are worried another company will rip them off and do it better because they are so lazy?
i honestly would love for a good dungeon crawler it doesn't have to be a blizzard game to be good.
Bullshit argument. Game sports and real life sports are two completely different things. You certainly can innovate here, thats no excuse.
Bullshit again. In team games, you can still hold the fort and even control your friend's base until he reconnect. Of course in 1v1, unless the game would pause, its game over.
That stupid argument again. If someone just stop playing WoW for such a simple game as D3, then he was not going to play WoW for long. D3 is not an MMO, many of you guys here also have been overplaying D2 in a way I'm sure any WoW players can't understand. Its not the kind of game that is supposed to -steal- players from WoW, because its not supposed to keep them playing forever.
Graphics innovations are all over and they suck. Better graphics limit sales. Better graphics takes a LOT more work than you think. Better graphics has been like an anchor for games for years because of stupid company focusing on that. Blizzard is SMART for not doing that. Besides, their graphics are damn good enough, though the style not to everyone's liking. Anyone whining about the graphics about SC2 or D3 should just go play CoD4 and get the hell out. No one wants graphic whores around that ruins the game world and there's plenty of other games to satisfy someone's eyes.
120 ping on euro? I call fake, but whatever. Ping and hosting done by them or not is pretty damn irrelevant. What IS relevant is the million of players that would be hosted on Blizzard's servers for no additional fee.
I have no idea how HON can manage such a thing, either its just not popular enough or something, but the servers requirements to host every game in the world for a game like SC2 -is- huge and no sane company would do it that way without asking for additional fees by the players.
The whole "hack prevention" shit is derived from this, Blizzard certainly is willing to take actions but with such a limitation, a REALISTIC limitation if you don't just throw shit and them and say "SPEND MONEY FOR US". And I do not believe that HON cannot be the victim of any hack, but thats hard to prove.
Betas requires one thing. The game to actually be in its BETA PHASE. D3 is far from done. OMG, THEY ARE NOT TELLING US EVERYTHING.... why the FUCK would they? Because there's just no freakin' point to do it, they don't need now to tell you everything and the game is still in an ever changing state, where telling us too much piss more people off in the long run.
SC2 is not quite the failure. I didn't know they were so lazy. If you honestly would love for a good dungeon crawler thats not by Blizzard then just get the hell out of here. We don't need you whining with stupid comments like "someone else could do them better" and shit.
Next time you make a whining topic, you should try a different approach.
Most companies do not release a lot of enough on their games before release. One, they are constantly changing things and do not want tpeople to get upset when these changes are made, with the public thinking these things were concrete. secondly, for hype. Letting people know everything about the game diminishes a sense of intrigue to the game.
Most companies are uptight about betas because theur game is not out yet. competitors may see things and chnage their games to reflect this. Also, if they change things after beta, they don't want people knowing what did not work before the change.
They do, from people who have gotten to play the game itself and not feedback from people who have just heard other peoples' opinions.
You or anybody has no idea what they have completed for Diablo. Most if not all companies only release a beta for the public a few months before release. Blizzard has their own team of testers and do not need untrained people to test the games for them.
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Graphics sliders can address PC reqs. Maybe blizz just doesnt want to hurt people's feelings that they cant play on ultra high? I dont see a reason why blizzard wouldnt at least make it look like a 2011(maybe) game. Other games OUT NOW, have lots of stuff on screen too and look great. A game thats still in development to be released in a few years isnt going to look better? Damn, what a shame. Lost opportunity for lots of 'whoa' moments and added immersiveness.
More development time for other things? You do know that everyone doesnt work on the same aspects of the game as everyone else right?
"more monsters, more random quests, more items"... yeah because thats going to take a ton of time. Quests? Go kill this dude, go get this item. More items? Lets make a sword with these random names/stats. Well done!!!! This is so tough! Give me a break.
Your defenses of blizzard are baseless.
When d3 looks like this but could have looked so much better, its people like you who are to blame.
http://www.maxfreak.com/diablo3/images/diablo-3-screenshot-2.jpg
http://leetgamer.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/diablo-3-screenshot-demon-caster-crypt.jpg
etc.
If graphics are your biggest concern for a game, then play games that focus on graphics. blizzard and Diablo are not for you then. They will not be increasing their graphics to match current games.
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As usual, SFJ, the weaker your argument, the more you flame.
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=4754115568&sid=1
You think that thread has over 200 replies over 2 years because it is a non-issue? You think they're at the ten year mark since D2 because they are in a hurry to compete with WoW?
Wait wait, so you post pictures that are almost two years old, then QQ about how the graphics are horribad? Give me a break.
Watch the videos in sequential order, from the very first video, all the way up to the last monk gameplay trailer. You will notice how far the graphics have come, and will give you an idea as to how far they will go before release.
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