I not only don't judge you for not voting. I don't blame you either. While I personally vote in every election, I'm not sure what that even has to do with what we're talking about.
The people we vote for in the House and Senate that passes laws such as raising the debt ceiling, those politicians have no term limits. So they continue to do what is most popular, not what is most prudent.
And the president, well we far from directly vote him into office.
I'm with you on this. The electoral college is very obsolete and redundant.
It wasn't really a question, now was it? See, that was a question. And that, wasn't. Nor is this. But is this? Yes, yes it is.
That aside, I've personally found people with a quick pointer finger to usually be the blind sheep. Who are you to judge me for not voting? That you would judge in the first place is evidence enough that the previous question doesn't even need to be asked because frankly, it doesn't matter who you are or what you have done because if you would truly place such quick judgement against someone you have no knowledge of, then you most likely have no time to judge yourself.
But hey, what in the world do I know, I'm one of those dumb fat people who don't vote.
You lumped yourself in that category not me. That's why I said most, not all. There is no reason not to vote but that is a whole other topic and not what this one is about.
I'm with you on this. The electoral college is very obsolete and redundant.
I actually understand the reasoning behind it. I think sometimes a popular vote can be a dangerous thing because the average voter is in fact totally uninformed and votes with his heart and never his mind.
But the problem with it especially where I live, is it's a winner take all state which makes it even more indirect than it should be. So if one party gets 3/5 of the electoral votes, then they get them all in the election. Why is this? Why not that party just get the 3 votes that they won through the popular vote and the loser who got the 2 electoral votes keep theirs? Gay.
I'm with you on this. The electoral college is very obsolete and redundant.
I actually understand the reasoning behind it. I think sometimes a popular vote can be a dangerous thing because the average voter is in fact totally uninformed and votes with his heart and never his mind.
But the problem with it especially where I live, is it's a winner take all state which makes it even more indirect than it should be. So if one party gets 3/5 of the electoral votes, then they get them all in the election. Why is this? Why not that party just get the 3 votes that they won through the popular vote and the loser who got the 2 electoral votes keep theirs? Gay.
Anyway...
I understand your reasoning but I think there's a lot more to it than that. Most of the people are misinformed but I don't think it's at fault of their own. Instead of telling people their [politicians] policies and what they can do for the country (Which I think is pointless anyway because they all get bought off in the end) they just talk about how the other person isn't doing their job right without actually coming up with a better idea.
It wasn't really a question, now was it? See, that was a question. And that, wasn't. Nor is this. But is this? Yes, yes it is.
That aside, I've personally found people with a quick pointer finger to usually be the blind sheep. Who are you to judge me for not voting? That you would judge in the first place is evidence enough that the previous question doesn't even need to be asked because frankly, it doesn't matter who you are or what you have done because if you would truly place such quick judgement against someone you have no knowledge of, then you most likely have no time to judge yourself.
But hey, what in the world do I know, I'm one of those dumb fat people who don't vote.
You lumped yourself in that category not me. That's why I said most, not all. There is no reason not to vote but that is a whole other topic and not what this one is about.
Have you ever seen a venn diagram? Just because someone fits into one category does not mean that person has to share any characteristics with anyone else within said category. Hence why, stereotyping, as natural as it is, should be avoided if possible.
Are you absolutely positive there is no reason not to vote? None?
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This is one of the most embarrassing economic slip ups. This was a self inflicted wound, unlike all the other debt crisis going on right now. Everyone still wants to lend the U.S money, and everyone still had faith that the U.S would not default. This credit rating change is not really due to the debt to GDP ratio, or any economic fundamentals, but rather the idiocy in the House &Senate causing an increase in moral hazard.
So yes, the U.S really just lost their perfect credit rating, but not because they couldn't pay their bills. It is because there are morons in the House & Senate, that are willing to cause a default if they don't get what they want.
they just talk about how the other person isn't doing their job right without actually coming up with a better idea.
Well yeah and even during this important debate about the debt ceiling that's exactly what each party did. It's a chance to win support for the next elections to mirror the agreed upon rhetoric of your party instead of just getting up there and telling people to take their damn medicine and that this is what really needs to be done.
Both major parties are guilty of this. In the end it's bureaucrats who will fix everything anyway. Whatever policy is created by Congress, it's up to the trained professional bureaucrats to actually make things work. And they do it very well as a matter of fact.
So yes, the U.S really just lost their perfect credit rating, but not because they couldn't pay their bills. It is because there are morons in the House & Senate, that are willing to cause a default if they don't get what they want.
I understand what you're saying. I mean, the economy itself isn't just influenced by sheer numbers but also by consumer confidence. And the level of confidence of foreign investors in the U.S. economy is shaken even by the petty bickering of Congress.
they just talk about how the other person isn't doing their job right without actually coming up with a better idea.
Well yeah and even during this important debate about the debt ceiling that's exactly what each party did. It's a chance to win support for the next elections to mirror the agreed upon rhetoric of your party instead of just getting up there and telling people to take their damn medicine and that this is what really needs to be done.
Both major parties are guilty of this. In the end it's bureaucrats who will fix everything anyway. Whatever policy is created by Congress, it's up to the trained professional bureaucrats to actually make things work. And they do it very well as a matter of fact.
So yes, the U.S really just lost their perfect credit rating, but not because they couldn't pay their bills. It is because there are morons in the House & Senate, that are willing to cause a default if they don't get what they want.
I understand what you're saying. I mean, the economy itself isn't just influenced by sheer numbers but also by consumer confidence. And the level of confidence of foreign investors in the U.S. economy is shaken even by the petty bickering of Congress.
Well that is the point. It is no longer seen as petty bickering and posturing. The likelihood of congress not working things out has greatly increased, and thus the perceived likelihood of the U.S defaulting because partisanship has also increased. Which means lending to the U.S just got riskier in the eyes of many investors.
And when we mean defaulting on a payment, it is not like it is restricted to; the U.S is just not going to pay. A disruption in cash flows (paying late) can shake investors.
they just talk about how the other person isn't doing their job right without actually coming up with a better idea.
Well yeah and even during this important debate about the debt ceiling that's exactly what each party did. It's a chance to win support for the next elections to mirror the agreed upon rhetoric of your party instead of just getting up there and telling people to take their damn medicine and that this is what really needs to be done.
Both major parties are guilty of this. In the end it's bureaucrats who will fix everything anyway. Whatever policy is created by Congress, it's up to the trained professional bureaucrats to actually make things work. And they do it very well as a matter of fact.
So yes, the U.S really just lost their perfect credit rating, but not because they couldn't pay their bills. It is because there are morons in the House & Senate, that are willing to cause a default if they don't get what they want.
I understand what you're saying. I mean, the economy itself isn't just influenced by sheer numbers but also by consumer confidence. And the level of confidence of foreign investors in the U.S. economy is shaken even by the petty bickering of Congress.
Well that is the point. It is no longer seen as petty bickering and posturing. The likelihood of congress not working things out has greatly increased, and thus the perceived likelihood of the U.S defaulting because partisanship has also increased. Which means lending to the U.S just got riskier in the eyes of many investors.
And when we mean defaulting on a payment, it is not like it is restricted to; the U.S is just not going to pay. A disruption in cash flows (paying late) can shake investors.
The scary part about all of this is those in power have huge reserves of money saved up incase anything ever did happen so they would be ok. People like us will be the ones suffering and begging for food and shelter. I just hope it doesn't get to that before we open our eyes ad fight back.
Compared to the solid rock of a country we used to be? At this rate and with no sign of anything being fixed, yes we are dwindling away.
We've basically been given a free pass from S&P for a while now, a lot of investors know the US should already be AA, now that they've downgraded us finally this just confirms a lot of fears.
It was my understanding that the rich already paid their fair share. My point was that if everyone gives an equal share of their salary it can be used to help those who don't have a job or is sick and need help to get back on their feet.
It's actually a common misconception that the rich pay their fair share, or more. It is also common misconception that a duck's quack doesn't echo.
But anyway, a large portion of the rich do everything in their power to keep from paying any taxes they can get away with. That's why I believe the tea party is hilarious. I laugh so hard when I watch them talk.
It was my understanding that the rich already paid their fair share. My point was that if everyone gives an equal share of their salary it can be used to help those who don't have a job or is sick and need help to get back on their feet.
It's actually a common misconception that the rich pay their fair share, or more. It is also common misconception that a duck's quack doesn't echo.
But anyway, a large portion of the rich do everything in their power to keep from paying any taxes they can get away with. That's why I believe the tea party is hilarious. I laugh so hard when I watch them talk.
How would that mean people aren't paying their fair share? If it's based on a percentage and is fair then of course 5% of 1,000,000 is bigger than 5% of 1,000, so they'll be paying more.
The top wealthiest people pay more money in taxes in dollar amounts than poorer people do. But the top wealthiest people pay a disproportionate amount of taxes as well.
The amount of income tax, for example, continues to rise up to a certain percent of gross income. But once you exceed a certain amount, the percentage plateaus instead of continuing to rise like you think it would. So beyond a certain amount of income, rich people really do pay a lot less in taxes in ratio to their gross income.
I watched an interesting documentary the other night "Inside Job".
The bankers in the US don´t give a shit about whether or not the people can pay back their loans. All they care about is their pockets. I have this to say though that it is too easy to get loans in US. The only people that can take care of your money really are yourselves. The bankers make risky loans and get good ratings by bribing rating companies. The US government is at the mercy of the bankers..... Students are going to be slaves even before getting hired.
For those who haven´t watched "INSIDE JOB" I would say watch it and learn from it.
I watched an interesting documentary the other night "Inside Job".
The bankers in the US don´t give a shit about whether or not the people can pay back their loans. All they care about is their pockets. I have this to say though that it is too easy to get loans in US. The only people that can take care of your money really are yourselves. The bankers make risky loans and get good ratings by bribing rating companies. The US government is at the mercy of the bankers..... Students are going to be slaves even before getting hired.
For those who haven´t watched "INSIDE JOB" I would say watch it and learn from it.
Because most Americans are fat, lazy, and stupid. If you think something like Egypt would happen in this country your insane. Something like 50% of the country votes which is ridiculous. People in this country don't want to vote because they think their vote wont make a difference. In other countries people WANT to vote because they KNOW their vote matters. I live next to a Lebanese family and they go back to Lebanon to vote in their elections everytime because it's their right.
That which happened in Egypt will never happen here. Everybody has their football and their video games and their reality television and they are fat and happy. So what if some guys in some city somewhere got their credit rating lowered? You are busy watching (Insert random insanely popular reality television personality here) do his/her (Insert corresponding verb here)!
(And when I say "you" I don't mean Aegon, I just mean "you" in a general sense.)
As for the Lebanese family, they are what I wish American families would be, regardless of their political stance.
That aside, I've personally found people with a quick pointer finger to usually be the blind sheep. Who are you to judge me for not voting? That you would judge in the first place is evidence enough that the previous question doesn't even need to be asked because frankly, it doesn't matter who you are or what you have done because if you would truly place such quick judgement against someone you have no knowledge of, then you most likely have no time to judge yourself.
But hey, what in the world do I know, I'm one of those dumb fat people who don't vote.
Voting should be a very important thing that everybody does. In a Democratic Republic where people elect representatives to vote on their behalf in a capital style place, voting would be very important.
But...this is America... Not really important when votes can easily be lost...
So yea, I don't hold anything against people like you who don't vote. If this was like England or something, yea, you should vote, but considering it's not...
I understand your reasoning but I think there's a lot more to it than that. Most of the people are misinformed but I don't think it's at fault of their own. Instead of telling people their [politicians] policies and what they can do for the country (Which I think is pointless anyway because they all get bought off in the end) they just talk about how the other person isn't doing their job right without actually coming up with a better idea.
This is 2011. Even if you do not have internet to research the issues, most libraries have computers/internet. And there are many other ways to find the issues. People have zero excuses to be misinformed. None. Zip. Zilch. Zero.
This is one of the most embarrassing economic slip ups. This was a self inflicted wound, unlike all the other debt crisis going on right now. Everyone still wants to lend the U.S money, and everyone still had faith that the U.S would not default. This credit rating change is not really due to the debt to GDP ratio, or any economic fundamentals, but rather the idiocy in the House &Senate causing an increase in moral hazard.
I disagree. Most, if not all, of all the current debt crises are self inflicted. But the world still mostly runs on the USD (Though the Euro and the GP are both right on the USD's heals) regardless of whether we are AAA or AA+. This just makes it harder for our nation to operate. And like I said, I place the blame squarely on the shoulders of people like John Boehner.
Well, unless I read this very wrong http://www . heritage . org/budgetchartbook/top10-percent-income-earners
The top 25% earners pay 85% of all the taxes, correct me if I'm wrong.
First, don't go to www . heritage . org. It's a right wing think tank.
Second, yes, the more you make the more you pay. Obviously. It's the same as a sales tax. I buy something for $1.00 and I pay $0.06. I buy something for $100.00 and I pay $6.00. They obviously don't like that, because they want to keep their money and not pay their fair share.
Also, I refuse to link to the Heritage Foundation. Bastards are worse then Faux News.
As for the Lebanese family, they are what I wish American families would be, regardless of their political stance.
It's not just the mom and dad that do it's the son(25) and the daughter(23). It's also payed for by the Lebanese government. I don't know if they pay for all of it but I know they do pay for flights.
Whatever I'm just waiting for the alien invasion to wipe out mankind... This shit is depressing.
As for the Lebanese family, they are what I wish American families would be, regardless of their political stance.
It's not just the mom and dad that do it's the son(25) and the daughter(23). It's also payed for by the Lebanese government. I don't know if they pay for all of it but I know they do pay for flights.
Whatever I'm just waiting for the alien invasion to wipe out mankind... This shit is depressing.
Seriously? The Lebanese government pays them to come back and vote?
Lebanon is fucking awesome...
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I'm with you on this. The electoral college is very obsolete and redundant.
But the problem with it especially where I live, is it's a winner take all state which makes it even more indirect than it should be. So if one party gets 3/5 of the electoral votes, then they get them all in the election. Why is this? Why not that party just get the 3 votes that they won through the popular vote and the loser who got the 2 electoral votes keep theirs? Gay.
Anyway...
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I understand your reasoning but I think there's a lot more to it than that. Most of the people are misinformed but I don't think it's at fault of their own. Instead of telling people their [politicians] policies and what they can do for the country (Which I think is pointless anyway because they all get bought off in the end) they just talk about how the other person isn't doing their job right without actually coming up with a better idea.
In the case of your state, yea thats f*cked.
Have you ever seen a venn diagram? Just because someone fits into one category does not mean that person has to share any characteristics with anyone else within said category. Hence why, stereotyping, as natural as it is, should be avoided if possible.
Are you absolutely positive there is no reason not to vote? None?
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"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
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So yes, the U.S really just lost their perfect credit rating, but not because they couldn't pay their bills. It is because there are morons in the House & Senate, that are willing to cause a default if they don't get what they want.
Both major parties are guilty of this. In the end it's bureaucrats who will fix everything anyway. Whatever policy is created by Congress, it's up to the trained professional bureaucrats to actually make things work. And they do it very well as a matter of fact.
I understand what you're saying. I mean, the economy itself isn't just influenced by sheer numbers but also by consumer confidence. And the level of confidence of foreign investors in the U.S. economy is shaken even by the petty bickering of Congress.
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Well that is the point. It is no longer seen as petty bickering and posturing. The likelihood of congress not working things out has greatly increased, and thus the perceived likelihood of the U.S defaulting because partisanship has also increased. Which means lending to the U.S just got riskier in the eyes of many investors.
And when we mean defaulting on a payment, it is not like it is restricted to; the U.S is just not going to pay. A disruption in cash flows (paying late) can shake investors.
The scary part about all of this is those in power have huge reserves of money saved up incase anything ever did happen so they would be ok. People like us will be the ones suffering and begging for food and shelter. I just hope it doesn't get to that before we open our eyes ad fight back.
Compared to the solid rock of a country we used to be? At this rate and with no sign of anything being fixed, yes we are dwindling away.
We've basically been given a free pass from S&P for a while now, a lot of investors know the US should already be AA, now that they've downgraded us finally this just confirms a lot of fears.
Well, unless I read this very wrong http://www.heritage.org/budgetchartbook/top10-percent-income-earners
The top 25% earners pay 85% of all the taxes, correct me if I'm wrong.
How would that mean people aren't paying their fair share? If it's based on a percentage and is fair then of course 5% of 1,000,000 is bigger than 5% of 1,000, so they'll be paying more.
The amount of income tax, for example, continues to rise up to a certain percent of gross income. But once you exceed a certain amount, the percentage plateaus instead of continuing to rise like you think it would. So beyond a certain amount of income, rich people really do pay a lot less in taxes in ratio to their gross income.
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The bankers in the US don´t give a shit about whether or not the people can pay back their loans. All they care about is their pockets. I have this to say though that it is too easy to get loans in US. The only people that can take care of your money really are yourselves. The bankers make risky loans and get good ratings by bribing rating companies. The US government is at the mercy of the bankers..... Students are going to be slaves even before getting hired.
For those who haven´t watched "INSIDE JOB" I would say watch it and learn from it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1645089/
Yea the Fractional Reserve banking system proves it. Watch a cartoon called "The American Dream."
http://www.truththeory.org/the-american-dream/
The world isn't ending, but the American Dream and the American way of life IS dwindling. The AA+ rating simply echoes this fact.
That which happened in Egypt will never happen here. Everybody has their football and their video games and their reality television and they are fat and happy. So what if some guys in some city somewhere got their credit rating lowered? You are busy watching (Insert random insanely popular reality television personality here) do his/her (Insert corresponding verb here)!
(And when I say "you" I don't mean Aegon, I just mean "you" in a general sense.)
As for the Lebanese family, they are what I wish American families would be, regardless of their political stance.
Voting should be a very important thing that everybody does. In a Democratic Republic where people elect representatives to vote on their behalf in a capital style place, voting would be very important.
But...this is America... Not really important when votes can easily be lost...
So yea, I don't hold anything against people like you who don't vote. If this was like England or something, yea, you should vote, but considering it's not...
The Electoral College is very important, especially in nations (Like this one) that are not that bright.
This is 2011. Even if you do not have internet to research the issues, most libraries have computers/internet. And there are many other ways to find the issues. People have zero excuses to be misinformed. None. Zip. Zilch. Zero.
I disagree. Most, if not all, of all the current debt crises are self inflicted. But the world still mostly runs on the USD (Though the Euro and the GP are both right on the USD's heals) regardless of whether we are AAA or AA+. This just makes it harder for our nation to operate. And like I said, I place the blame squarely on the shoulders of people like John Boehner.
First, don't go to www . heritage . org. It's a right wing think tank.
Second, yes, the more you make the more you pay. Obviously. It's the same as a sales tax. I buy something for $1.00 and I pay $0.06. I buy something for $100.00 and I pay $6.00. They obviously don't like that, because they want to keep their money and not pay their fair share.
Also, I refuse to link to the Heritage Foundation. Bastards are worse then Faux News.
You should of seen some of the threads about Anonymous Daemaro and I have posted.
It's not just the mom and dad that do it's the son(25) and the daughter(23). It's also payed for by the Lebanese government. I don't know if they pay for all of it but I know they do pay for flights.
Whatever I'm just waiting for the alien invasion to wipe out mankind... This shit is depressing.
Seriously? The Lebanese government pays them to come back and vote?
Lebanon is fucking awesome...