Or simply empathy for both sides and rational thinking.
I wouldn't quite call the religious arguments rational thinking.
One of them is,
Priest: God exists.
Scientist: You can't prove that god exists.
Priest: You can't prove that god doesn't exist, therefore god exists.
This is obviously flawed logic. You can't prove that there isn't a giant space eating mantis on the other side of the moon either, but you can't conclude that it then exists because of this.
My favourite so far is Tsukiyomi's friend's argument. Maybe they did the math wrong :biggrin:
Or simply empathy for both sides and rational thinking.
I wouldn't quite call the religious arguments rational thinking.
One of them is,
Priest: God exists.
Scientist: You can't prove that god exists.
Priest: You can't prove that god doesn't exist, therefore god exists.
This is obviously flawed logic. You can't prove that there isn't a giant space eating mantis on the other side of the moon either, but you can't conclude that it then exists because of this.
My favourite so far is Tsukiyomi's friend's argument. Maybe they did the math wrong :biggrin:
Hmmm I wouldn't say that, I'll probably be with the priest and say that you can't prove that god doesn't exist but I won't enforce the point at the end.
Thinking outside the box, one must first understand what God/Deity is. To some people its higher power father figure, to others it's the reason why things do what they do (atoms attracting, etc.), and to others it may be both or more or not at all.
If you were to bring me the argument of God doesn't' exist, I would reply that you cannot prove or give me a reason why atoms attract in the first place, or what makes positive and negative.
Atoms attract because of Strong Nuclear Force. Positive and Negative are simply terms we place on different things.
And once you overcome your fear of the supernatural by understanding the natural world, you overcome any and all gods, deities, ghosts, and goblins. They are all supernatural.
Atoms attract because of Strong Nuclear Force. Positive and Negative are simply terms we place on different things.
And once you overcome your fear of the supernatural by understanding the natural world, you overcome any and all gods, deities, ghosts, and goblins. They are all supernatural.
There's the arrogance thing coming on again...
Actually no, so far atoms attract because somehow they 'want' to fill up their valence electron shell, what I refer to is why they 'want' to do this in the first place, no strong nuclear force here.
And since when do I fear the supernatural, because I beleive in a god? I do not place my god as a compassionate being who judges people based on morality in their life. On the contrary I do believe that my god will ever interact with us on a living level.
Again on my previous post, if one wants to argue the nature of religion against another concept such as science, one must understand both sides, not just one. The term 'God' can refer to many things, not all referring the common Christian God.
The part about the god wasn't directed specifically at you. Rather, it was directed at those of Christian and Muslim faiths.
As for why atoms attract, it is because of Strong Nuclear Force. What you are talking about is why they trade electrons with each other, which has nothing to do with an attraction.
The part about the god wasn't directed specifically at you. Rather, it was directed at those of Christian and Muslim faiths.
As for why atoms attract, it is because of Strong Nuclear Force. What you are talking about is why they trade electrons with each other, which has nothing to do with an attraction.
Atoms attract to each other to form compounds. This attraction is driven from their ionic charges, cations and anions, this is why we hardly fine any pure elements in the natural world, we have to use artificial means to reproduce them.
So yes, trading electrons does have something to do with atoms attracting to each other.
I'm not very fond of religious folk using a scientific argument to ask why. In the end, science won't be able to explain those final "why" questions because that is just how the universe works. This is where the priest bumps in and says, god did it. Wherever science ends, religion comes in to answer that final daunting question with its belief. No need for evidence, it's just what you want it to be.
Which is why for a long time throughout history, god was considered to be a man. One's depiction of god would be that of perfection, and - yes, sexism was a big part in history - a man is what was considered perfect. Not an animal, not an insect, not even something supernatural, but of course a man.
I'm not refuting that a higher entity could possibly be the answer to how the universe came to be, but since we have no way of ever knowing, then any reason - logical or lacking thereof - is just as likely to be the reason.
Many choose to believe in something that makes sense and that's fine. But refuting perfectly logical science with strong evidence to back it up is being very naive. I find it hard to understand how one could believe god with all their heart, when they haven't sensed him in any way, and the only evidence to support him is scribed in parchments from over 2000 years ago telling the tale of the son of Christ walking the Earth, but when given solid irrefutable evidence to show that the Earth is older than 6000 years, they come up with whatever reason they can that makes sense in their minds.
The math was incorrect...
God put the fossils there...
It's not proven until you can show me a living dinosaur...
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Can you please stop sticking ALL religious beliefs and modes of belief into the same barrel? People believe in the stuff pretty differently. Some of us ignore priests, churches, and parchments almost completely.
I think I'm replying to something like 5 pages ago but people are still discussing Jesus, so...
I see no problem with a lunatic that gives high moral teachings. None.
To be moral in the world Jesus lived in one had to be a bit of a lunatic. I don't find the idea of him believing himself to be something bigger, able to judge others, w/e, because that's not the most illogical reaction if you're the one moral person in the world.
Even so, high morals and mental issues can mix just fine.
I'm not very fond of religious folk using a scientific argument to ask why. In the end, science won't be able to explain those final "why" questions because that is just how the universe works. This is where the priest bumps in and says, god did it. Wherever science ends, religion comes in to answer that final daunting question with its belief. No need for evidence, it's just what you want it to be.
Which is why for a long time throughout history, god was considered to be a man. One's depiction of god would be that of perfection, and - yes, sexism was a big part in history - a man is what was considered perfect. Not an animal, not an insect, not even something supernatural, but of course a man.
I'm not refuting that a higher entity could possibly be the answer to how the universe came to be, but since we have no way of ever knowing, then any reason - logical or lacking thereof - is just as likely to be the reason.
Many choose to believe in something that makes sense and that's fine. But refuting perfectly logical science with strong evidence to back it up is being very naive. I find it hard to understand how one could believe god with all their heart, when they haven't sensed him in any way, and the only evidence to support him is scribed in parchments from over 2000 years ago telling the tale of the son of Christ walking the Earth, but when given solid irrefutable evidence to show that the Earth is older than 6000 years, they come up with whatever reason they can that makes sense in their minds.
The math was incorrect...
God put the fossils there...
It's not proven until you can show me a living dinosaur...
wtf? These guys need to get an education.
Err I fail to see how Christ walking the earth 2000 years ago is in contradiction that the Earth is older than 6000 years.
Anyways the argument your coming up with heavily deals with Christianity, say if you bring up this argument to Buddhist or a Hindu, both would disregard the argument completely as nonsense.
Again this is the problem with religious arguments, you can't just put Christianity as the front picture of the term, that's just plain ignorance. There's no shame in being ignorant; only shame by remaining so.
I see no problem with a lunatic that gives high moral teachings.
I do not either. But when those high moral teachings are side by side with things like it's alright to beat your children, and people believe that nonsense, then I have a problem. Maybe it's because I am not religious and so can see it from the outside looking in, but it's just something that always agitated me.
At the bottom of it, you get into "why does this force exists", which is something nobody can put a finger on.
And our whole world is built on that force which has no explanation. It just is. xD
And that's just fine, because every day the scientists are finding new answers and fixing old problems. The scientists will tell you why Strong Nuclear Force exists long before any priest, father, or rabi ever will.
Again this is the problem with religious arguments, you can't just put Christianity as the front picture of the term, that's just plain ignorance. There's no shame in being ignorant; only shame by remaining so.
The reason why we talk of Christianity and Islam more then Buddhism and Hinduism in America is because Christianity and Islam are the two religions most shoved upon us in America. If there was a large push from Buddhism, I guarentee you there would be many who would push back.
I see no problem with a lunatic that gives high moral teachings.
I do not either. But when those high moral teachings are side by side with things like it's alright to beat your children, and people believe that nonsense, then I have a problem. Maybe it's because I am not religious and so can see it from the outside looking in, but it's just something that always agitated me.
At the bottom of it, you get into "why does this force exists", which is something nobody can put a finger on.
And our whole world is built on that force which has no explanation. It just is. xD
And that's just fine, because every day the scientists are finding new answers and fixing old problems. The scientists will tell you why Strong Nuclear Force exists long before any priest, father, or rabi ever will.
Again this is the problem with religious arguments, you can't just put Christianity as the front picture of the term, that's just plain ignorance. There's no shame in being ignorant; only shame by remaining so.
The reason why we talk of Christianity and Islam more then Buddhism and Hinduism in America is because Christianity and Islam are the two religions most shoved upon us in America. If there was a large push from Buddhism, I guarentee you there would be many who would push back.
Again, that's just play ignorance; maybe this thread should be titled Christianty vs Natural Science for if you are going to argue religion you must take into account many religions and if you were to argue science you must take into account many sciences in order to give your argument credibility.
As for religions being 'shoved' in America this is not the case, perhaps in Europa, but not America. Religions are accepted in America, sure we use customs very similar to Christianity (inauguration, Congress meetings, etc.) but it doesn't mean we fanatically support it, it's just a simple tradition of respect and culture.
I guarantee you that if you were to plead innocent of beating children when in fact you did because the Bible told you to, or if you practiced slavery, the Supreme Court will have no second thoughts of deeming you unexceptionally guilty.
Outlined in the US Constitution there it states the separation of church and state. Now we all know that truly this can never happen as religion is deeply incorporated into Western culture (and even if you did get rid of it, it will still be there in historical terms) we still emphasize this separation.
Again, that's just play ignorance; maybe this thread should be titled Christianty vs Natural Science for if you are going to argue religion you must take into account many religions and if you were to argue science you must take into account many sciences in order to give your argument credibility.
Well, bring some Buddhists, Hindus, etc, and I'll talk about their religion. Otherwise, your splitting hairs.
As for religions being 'shoved' in America this is not the case, perhaps in Europa, but not America. Religions are accepted in America, sure we use customs very similar to Christianity (inauguration, Congress meetings, etc.) but it doesn't mean we fanatically support it, it's just a simple tradition of respect and culture.
You have to be kidding. Europe is nothing like America. Hell, if you so much as say you don't believe in god, you have no chance in hell of getting a political career above mayor.
I guarantee you that if you were to plead innocent of beating children when in fact you did because the Bible told you to, or if you practiced slavery, the Supreme Court will have no second thoughts of deeming you unexceptionally guilty.
You seem to think that Christians take the entire Bible, and this is wrong. Christians pick and choose what they want out of the Bible.
Outlined in the US Constitution there it states the separation of church and state. Now we all know that truly this can never happen as religion is deeply incorporated into Western culture (and even if you did get rid of it, it will still be there in historical terms) we still emphasize this separation.
Separation of Church and State, only partial separation, with the Churches working every day to see it deteriorate even more.
As for Historical terms, don't worry, we can take one glance at the Texas Educational System to understand how much they care about real History.
Again, that's just play ignorance; maybe this thread should be titled Christianty vs Natural Science for if you are going to argue religion you must take into account many religions and if you were to argue science you must take into account many sciences in order to give your argument credibility.
Well, bring some Buddhists, Hindus, etc, and I'll talk about their religion. Otherwise, your splitting hairs.
As for religions being 'shoved' in America this is not the case, perhaps in Europa, but not America. Religions are accepted in America, sure we use customs very similar to Christianity (inauguration, Congress meetings, etc.) but it doesn't mean we fanatically support it, it's just a simple tradition of respect and culture.
You have to be kidding. Europe is nothing like America. Hell, if you so much as say you don't believe in god, you have no chance in hell of getting a political career above mayor.
I guarantee you that if you were to plead innocent of beating children when in fact you did because the Bible told you to, or if you practiced slavery, the Supreme Court will have no second thoughts of deeming you unexceptionally guilty.
You seem to think that Christians take the entire Bible, and this is wrong. Christians pick and choose what they want out of the Bible.
Outlined in the US Constitution there it states the separation of church and state. Now we all know that truly this can never happen as religion is deeply incorporated into Western culture (and even if you did get rid of it, it will still be there in historical terms) we still emphasize this separation.
Separation of Church and State, only partial separation, with the Churches working every day to see it deteriorate even more.
As for Historical terms, don't worry, we can take one glance at the Texas Educational System to understand how much they care about real History.
I never stated Europe is anything like America, I stated that religion is practically a status quo in Europe whereas in America it is just accepted.
Yes partial separation but separation nonetheless. Even if churches (mainly Christian) seek to eliminate this boundary it will still be there for in America nationality comes first before religion (as proven countless times in American history).
Well I am not part of Texas, but I'll say this. You cannot get rid of history, for if you do you won't learn from it. And if one does not learn from history, one is doomed to repeat it (again proven over and over in historical records).
I do not either. But when those high moral teachings are side by side with things like it's alright to beat your children, and people believe that nonsense, then I have a problem.
I'm not sure Jesus said such things, actually. The Bible did, but not necessarily Jesus, that's why it's important to separate the general Bible and the people in it...
Maybe it's because I am not religious and so can see it from the outside looking in, but it's just something that always agitated me.
Dunno, I've been apathetic, atheistic, and now I'm back to being quasi religious; I was never properly religious, never part of any church or anything. If you can't understand something it's your problem alone and has nothing to do with you being religious. You're just ignorant, and you intend to stay ignorant - you're not any better than the religious folk, just on the other side of the fence.
And that's just fine, because every day the scientists are finding new answers and fixing old problems. The scientists will tell you why Strong Nuclear Force exists long before any priest, father, or rabi ever will.
No, you don't understand. The scientists can find what causes the SNF sure (if that's not the bottom). But when they come to the bottom of it, there will be nothing, it will just be, no explanation. At the bottom of it, there are two little tiny indestructible things, and they attract, period.
The reason why we talk of Christianity and Islam more then Buddhism and Hinduism in America is because Christianity and Islam are the two religions most shoved upon us in America.
This is not a thread on America. This is not a thread on Christianity.
You only mentioned major religions, too, but you're offending all religions when you attack religion, including mine, which has no name, and including deism, pantheism, and others. When you say "bring some Buddhists here" you're basically saying all other non-major non-named religions do not exist or something.
I don't often see you say "Christianity". Because you can't. Because that's not what people you're talking to are discussing. We're discussing RELIGION here.
Well, bring some Buddhists, Hindus, etc, and I'll talk about their religion. Otherwise, your splitting hairs.
How is it splitting hairs when the thread title says Religion? It's a very valid point and I would find it quite refreshing to see an atheist bash a different religion once and a while.
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I'm not sure Jesus said such things, actually. The Bible did, but not necessarily Jesus, that's why it's important to separate the general Bible and the people in it...
Well, considering the Bible is the basis of the Christian belief, and all we know of Jesus comes from the Bible, I think it's a safe bet to say that Jesus is quite connected to the Bible.
Dunno, I've been apathetic, atheistic, and now I'm back to being quasi religious; I was never properly religious, never part of any church or anything. If you can't understand something it's your problem alone and has nothing to do with you being religious. You're just ignorant, and you intend to stay ignorant - you're not any better than the religious folk, just on the other side of the fence.
And exactly what do I not understand? It was a different time in the Bible when children were beat, women were not allowed to talk, and men were told to leave everything they own if they wanted to follow Jesus? Of course I don't understand, and I don't want to understand why people believe that, or how they believe that. But you are mistaken if you think I don't understand what the Bible is saying. Perhaps you should crack it open, you might just change your view point.
No, you don't understand. The scientists can find what causes the SNF sure (if that's not the bottom). But when they come to the bottom of it, there will be nothing, it will just be, no explanation. At the bottom of it, there are two little tiny indestructible things, and they attract, period.
Ahh, so once we find out the explanation as to why the Strong Nuclear Force attracts them, the explanation we found won't exist? Clarify please?
This is not a thread on America. This is not a thread on Christianity.
You only mentioned major religions, too, but you're offending all religions when you attack religion, including mine, which has no name, and including deism, pantheism, and others. When you say "bring some Buddhists here" you're basically saying all other non-major non-named religions do not exist or something.
I don't often see you say "Christianity". Because you can't. Because that's not what people you're talking to are discussing. We're discussing RELIGION here.
This is not a thread on America, this is a thread on a forum based primarily in America. I have only seen people arguing for the Abrahamic Religions, of which I argue back. If a Druid, a Wiccan, a Shinto, a Baha'i, etc want's to argue their religions, I would be glad to discuss it with them. If you want to argue on behalf of Baha'i, please do. However, be forewarned that I haven't a problem with most religions, as most religions do not shove their view on others.
And yes, I am discussing religion. I can only talk about one religion at a time. If you like, we can change which religion we are talking about, but it is only one religion, as they are all so different and thus cannot logically be placed under an umbrella term and be argue'ed against. For example, explain how you can argue against both Buddhism and Christianity, when they are miles apart?
How is it splitting hairs when the thread title says Religion? It's a very valid point and I would find it quite refreshing to see an atheist bash a different religion once and a while.
It is splitting hairs because religion A and religion B have nothing in common, and thus it would be illogical to clump them together. It's like clumping Nascar and Football, because they are both sports, even though they have nothing to do with each other.
Oh, and we don't bash. If you want bashing, you are at the wrong place.
How is it splitting hairs when the thread title says Religion? It's a very valid point and I would find it quite refreshing to see an atheist bash a different religion once and a while.
It is splitting hairs because religion A and religion B have nothing in common, and thus it would be illogical to clump them together. It's like clumping Nascar and Football, because they are both sports, even though they have nothing to do with each other.
Oh, and we don't bash. If you want bashing, you are at the wrong place.
But you can still argue the generality of sports, which in turn the concept can be brought into here; the generality of religion vs the generality of science.
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One of them is,
Priest: God exists.
Scientist: You can't prove that god exists.
Priest: You can't prove that god doesn't exist, therefore god exists.
This is obviously flawed logic. You can't prove that there isn't a giant space eating mantis on the other side of the moon either, but you can't conclude that it then exists because of this.
My favourite so far is Tsukiyomi's friend's argument. Maybe they did the math wrong :biggrin:
Hmmm I wouldn't say that, I'll probably be with the priest and say that you can't prove that god doesn't exist but I won't enforce the point at the end.
Thinking outside the box, one must first understand what God/Deity is. To some people its higher power father figure, to others it's the reason why things do what they do (atoms attracting, etc.), and to others it may be both or more or not at all.
If you were to bring me the argument of God doesn't' exist, I would reply that you cannot prove or give me a reason why atoms attract in the first place, or what makes positive and negative.
And once you overcome your fear of the supernatural by understanding the natural world, you overcome any and all gods, deities, ghosts, and goblins. They are all supernatural.
There's the arrogance thing coming on again...
Actually no, so far atoms attract because somehow they 'want' to fill up their valence electron shell, what I refer to is why they 'want' to do this in the first place, no strong nuclear force here.
And since when do I fear the supernatural, because I beleive in a god? I do not place my god as a compassionate being who judges people based on morality in their life. On the contrary I do believe that my god will ever interact with us on a living level.
Again on my previous post, if one wants to argue the nature of religion against another concept such as science, one must understand both sides, not just one. The term 'God' can refer to many things, not all referring the common Christian God.
As for why atoms attract, it is because of Strong Nuclear Force. What you are talking about is why they trade electrons with each other, which has nothing to do with an attraction.
Atoms attract to each other to form compounds. This attraction is driven from their ionic charges, cations and anions, this is why we hardly fine any pure elements in the natural world, we have to use artificial means to reproduce them.
So yes, trading electrons does have something to do with atoms attracting to each other.
Which is why for a long time throughout history, god was considered to be a man. One's depiction of god would be that of perfection, and - yes, sexism was a big part in history - a man is what was considered perfect. Not an animal, not an insect, not even something supernatural, but of course a man.
I'm not refuting that a higher entity could possibly be the answer to how the universe came to be, but since we have no way of ever knowing, then any reason - logical or lacking thereof - is just as likely to be the reason.
Many choose to believe in something that makes sense and that's fine. But refuting perfectly logical science with strong evidence to back it up is being very naive. I find it hard to understand how one could believe god with all their heart, when they haven't sensed him in any way, and the only evidence to support him is scribed in parchments from over 2000 years ago telling the tale of the son of Christ walking the Earth, but when given solid irrefutable evidence to show that the Earth is older than 6000 years, they come up with whatever reason they can that makes sense in their minds.
The math was incorrect...
God put the fossils there...
It's not proven until you can show me a living dinosaur...
wtf? These guys need to get an education.
Can you please stop sticking ALL religious beliefs and modes of belief into the same barrel? People believe in the stuff pretty differently. Some of us ignore priests, churches, and parchments almost completely.
I think I'm replying to something like 5 pages ago but people are still discussing Jesus, so...
I see no problem with a lunatic that gives high moral teachings. None.
To be moral in the world Jesus lived in one had to be a bit of a lunatic. I don't find the idea of him believing himself to be something bigger, able to judge others, w/e, because that's not the most illogical reaction if you're the one moral person in the world.
Even so, high morals and mental issues can mix just fine. At the bottom of it, you get into "why does this force exists", which is something nobody can put a finger on.
And our whole world is built on that force which has no explanation. It just is. xD
Err I fail to see how Christ walking the earth 2000 years ago is in contradiction that the Earth is older than 6000 years.
Anyways the argument your coming up with heavily deals with Christianity, say if you bring up this argument to Buddhist or a Hindu, both would disregard the argument completely as nonsense.
Again this is the problem with religious arguments, you can't just put Christianity as the front picture of the term, that's just plain ignorance. There's no shame in being ignorant; only shame by remaining so.
I do not either. But when those high moral teachings are side by side with things like it's alright to beat your children, and people believe that nonsense, then I have a problem. Maybe it's because I am not religious and so can see it from the outside looking in, but it's just something that always agitated me.
And that's just fine, because every day the scientists are finding new answers and fixing old problems. The scientists will tell you why Strong Nuclear Force exists long before any priest, father, or rabi ever will.
The reason why we talk of Christianity and Islam more then Buddhism and Hinduism in America is because Christianity and Islam are the two religions most shoved upon us in America. If there was a large push from Buddhism, I guarentee you there would be many who would push back.
Again, that's just play ignorance; maybe this thread should be titled Christianty vs Natural Science for if you are going to argue religion you must take into account many religions and if you were to argue science you must take into account many sciences in order to give your argument credibility.
As for religions being 'shoved' in America this is not the case, perhaps in Europa, but not America. Religions are accepted in America, sure we use customs very similar to Christianity (inauguration, Congress meetings, etc.) but it doesn't mean we fanatically support it, it's just a simple tradition of respect and culture.
I guarantee you that if you were to plead innocent of beating children when in fact you did because the Bible told you to, or if you practiced slavery, the Supreme Court will have no second thoughts of deeming you unexceptionally guilty.
Outlined in the US Constitution there it states the separation of church and state. Now we all know that truly this can never happen as religion is deeply incorporated into Western culture (and even if you did get rid of it, it will still be there in historical terms) we still emphasize this separation.
Well, bring some Buddhists, Hindus, etc, and I'll talk about their religion. Otherwise, your splitting hairs.
You have to be kidding. Europe is nothing like America. Hell, if you so much as say you don't believe in god, you have no chance in hell of getting a political career above mayor.
You seem to think that Christians take the entire Bible, and this is wrong. Christians pick and choose what they want out of the Bible.
Separation of Church and State, only partial separation, with the Churches working every day to see it deteriorate even more.
As for Historical terms, don't worry, we can take one glance at the Texas Educational System to understand how much they care about real History.
I never stated Europe is anything like America, I stated that religion is practically a status quo in Europe whereas in America it is just accepted.
Yes partial separation but separation nonetheless. Even if churches (mainly Christian) seek to eliminate this boundary it will still be there for in America nationality comes first before religion (as proven countless times in American history).
Well I am not part of Texas, but I'll say this. You cannot get rid of history, for if you do you won't learn from it. And if one does not learn from history, one is doomed to repeat it (again proven over and over in historical records).
Dunno, I've been apathetic, atheistic, and now I'm back to being quasi religious; I was never properly religious, never part of any church or anything. If you can't understand something it's your problem alone and has nothing to do with you being religious. You're just ignorant, and you intend to stay ignorant - you're not any better than the religious folk, just on the other side of the fence.
No, you don't understand. The scientists can find what causes the SNF sure (if that's not the bottom). But when they come to the bottom of it, there will be nothing, it will just be, no explanation. At the bottom of it, there are two little tiny indestructible things, and they attract, period.
This is not a thread on America. This is not a thread on Christianity.
You only mentioned major religions, too, but you're offending all religions when you attack religion, including mine, which has no name, and including deism, pantheism, and others. When you say "bring some Buddhists here" you're basically saying all other non-major non-named religions do not exist or something.
I don't often see you say "Christianity". Because you can't. Because that's not what people you're talking to are discussing. We're discussing RELIGION here.
How is it splitting hairs when the thread title says Religion? It's a very valid point and I would find it quite refreshing to see an atheist bash a different religion once and a while.
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Well, considering the Bible is the basis of the Christian belief, and all we know of Jesus comes from the Bible, I think it's a safe bet to say that Jesus is quite connected to the Bible.
And exactly what do I not understand? It was a different time in the Bible when children were beat, women were not allowed to talk, and men were told to leave everything they own if they wanted to follow Jesus? Of course I don't understand, and I don't want to understand why people believe that, or how they believe that. But you are mistaken if you think I don't understand what the Bible is saying. Perhaps you should crack it open, you might just change your view point.
Ahh, so once we find out the explanation as to why the Strong Nuclear Force attracts them, the explanation we found won't exist? Clarify please?
This is not a thread on America, this is a thread on a forum based primarily in America. I have only seen people arguing for the Abrahamic Religions, of which I argue back. If a Druid, a Wiccan, a Shinto, a Baha'i, etc want's to argue their religions, I would be glad to discuss it with them. If you want to argue on behalf of Baha'i, please do. However, be forewarned that I haven't a problem with most religions, as most religions do not shove their view on others.
And yes, I am discussing religion. I can only talk about one religion at a time. If you like, we can change which religion we are talking about, but it is only one religion, as they are all so different and thus cannot logically be placed under an umbrella term and be argue'ed against. For example, explain how you can argue against both Buddhism and Christianity, when they are miles apart?
It is splitting hairs because religion A and religion B have nothing in common, and thus it would be illogical to clump them together. It's like clumping Nascar and Football, because they are both sports, even though they have nothing to do with each other.
Oh, and we don't bash. If you want bashing, you are at the wrong place.
But you can still argue the generality of sports, which in turn the concept can be brought into here; the generality of religion vs the generality of science.