Just delete this topic already, nothing but a bunch of flaming now. Plus, it would follow in Blizzard's footsteps, as they are scrubbing their official forums clean of any mention of the incident. On the plus side, patch tomorrow, and patch notes just came up a bit ago
If you've played D3, you would know that nothing about the game has a "I hope people will like it" feel, it's there to make ActiBlizzard money and annoy the people who play it so they will leave, buy another ActiBlizzard product, and then come back and buy new gear when they introduce something "New".
Oh wait. Totally sure.
What the hell... I loves me some KFC. BRING ME THAT BUCKET!
Most of D3 has a "I hope people will like it" feel. They made fundamental changes to the stat system, the skill system, the loot system, legendaries, consumables... they changed Diablo's gender. If Blizzard wanted a nice, safe, guaranteed money-maker, they would have done to D2 what they did with Starcraft. A graphics overhaul, some mechanics tweaks, and a BNet-only backend (although they do both have a shitty story... ZING!). Instead, they took a pile of long-shots and put them all in a box together. You think they were playing it safe??
If all they cared about was money, they'd be richer than God if they had an item shop alongside the RMAH, put a percentage cut on player-sold items instead of a flat fee and, and charge a to let people list more than 5 items, with a premium package for people to list up to 50.
Activision and Blizzard have completely independant executive structures. Calling them ActiBlizzard is willful ignorance.
Saying that they have an intended business model of antagonising customers is... well... asinine? I guess that'll have to do.
You, sir, are a troll. With bells on. A deluxe version with a soundtrack CD of troll music, a hardcover book of troll art and USB key in the shape of a bridge.
Yes, dumb game... as in not a life altering experience that should cause such hate for a human being. If you can become so hateful just because some one made a game that was not to your exact specifications then you have the problems, not them.
There is no trolling, or irony in my statement. There is utter stupidity in your stance that it is acceptable to verbally attack a man for making a game you did not like, for insulting and degrading a person just cause the game he made was not the game you wanted...
I'm sort of torn between concern that this Jay guy (who is apparently some lead developer? I don't know why you people cyberstalk the devs, I just play freaking games I don't care who made them) made a post like this in a place where obviously everyone will see it and the forums will go nuclear with raging scumbags and everyone will get personal and laughing because it's kinda funny. Assuming this is real.
It's pretty unprofessional but on the other hand this Brevik guy was pretty much saying haha you fired us and now you suck to the people he used to work with so kind of understandable. Also some pretty unfair digs, like blues being more powerful than yellows (which was no more true of D3 than it was in D2, he obviously didn't actually play D3 and is parroting this crap which was on the forums on release night), the fact your DPS works off your main weapon (I assume he means for casters, which is a departure but personally I think it's more fun than when they were just stat sticks like in D2). And something about things would be better if everything was BOE? What the hell is he even talking about there, nothing has ever bound on any Diablo game, and that was hardly a change the community would've welcomed back in D2, I remember those discussions on the forums. The guy clearly is getting his info on D3 from forum whine.
I feel kinda sorry for him, has to suck making a really successful game and then getting fired (or quitting? I don't freaking know it's none of my damn business) and then trying to make your own studio with visions of complete creative control and it not really working out (sadly never does). Maybe if he'd made D3 it would've been awesome, maybe better than the one we have maybe worse, nobody will ever know. Honestly though people are greatly exaggerating the original Diablo creative teams, I don't think any of them have been amazing perfect games, that goes for D1-D3. They're good games, I played D2 for years and D1 has a special place in my heart but they weren't the work of genius or anything. And making D3 a reskinned D2 would've been a terrible mistake. D3 has to move on from D2 just like D2 did from D1.
On the other hand funny though it was Jay Wilson's post was pretty foolish
Good stuff. Few thousand more permabans and the official forums might potentially become a place where people who play Diablo III can gather to discuss Diablo III. Radical idea, I know.
Wordpress and blogger.com are over that way if people want to post spittle-flecked rants. That's why they were invented.
So much drama over what one big-bad game developer said about another. Can't we all just take a who-gives-a-crap pill and stop the endless prattling on about something that has no bearing on any of our lives?
So much drama over what one big-bad game developer said about another. Can't we all just take a who-gives-a-crap pill and stop the endless prattling on about something that has no bearing on any of our lives?
They don't like Jay Wilson and they want to run his name through the mud as much as possible, pretty simple.
As to why this thread is still alive, I have no idea, but I would assume the mods here think a clone would pop up and conspiracy theories thrown around like wildfire if they did.
Best to just ignore it and let the gossip girls get their fill.
As to why this thread is still alive, I have no idea, but I would assume the mods here think a clone would pop up and conspiracy theories thrown around like wildfire if they did.
This. It's a fire-fighting tactic Blizzard has used for years in WoW. IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE! Lightning-rod threads work even better than lightning rod devs.
... wait...
... what if Jay Wilson is a fake? A hoax identity Blizzard uses to draw people's ire and keep their real staff safe from harm??
Don't turn this into a Leo Wakelin thread. God forbid one of my colleges stands up for me.
colleagues. Anyway, there's standing up, and there's misrepresenting yourself and fanning the flames. I guess all this proves is that there are professionals who would never stoop to arguing with trolls on the Internet and feeding them, and then there are Blizzard devs.
Not sure what to make of the alleged comment other than that, if true, perhaps communicating one's frustration via social media is not the best course of action. The video with substituted subtitles did have me laughing a little though.
And as overneathe has said, let's keep it civil in here no matter which side of the fence you fall on.
That being said, it honestly doesn't really bother me. Everyone says stuff like this from time to time, the comment may of even been said in jest for all we know. I wouldn't judge someone from a flippant comment they make on the internet.
Ooh... Jay Wilson has my sympathy. It's because of incidents like this that I don't take part in Facebook, Twitter, and others of their kind. They can be cesspools of "gotchya!" with painful real-life consequences. :/
That thread really shows the true colors of the community.
Every single person who posted in that thread, regardless of what they said, should be permenantly banned. I seriously feel violated just reading it. The number of self-entitled, self-righteous, self-important assholes who use those forums is absolutely unbelievable.
I think the problem wasn't so much what Jay said, but the conclusion that many fans drew that if this is what they think of a former coworker echoing some of their concerns in a relatively mild manner, what do they say to each other about the fans' threads and constructive criticism? It confirmed for many of them that while they may put on this public face because they have to in regards to "Every Voice Matters", privately they don't really care what anyone thinks and probably laugh and/or mock us, and are only motivated by their own need to restore their repuatation/make more money to make any changes. It's disheartening, but not surprising.
I think the whole thing has spun way out of proportion.
Brevik has the right of free speech to tell his opinion on the matter. Seems to me he is a bit bitter about Blizzard North closing still (and that certainly was a shame).
Haga seems like he is genuinly gutted about Breviks comments. Why? Could be a number of reasons, but I guess they were either friends before, or Haga idolized him, and it hurt.
Jay Wilson shows his support to a co-worker and friend, and in my book he is trying to comfort Haga, by saying "screw him, it's not worth being down over hum, you did great".
All of the above I find are perfectly normal reactions to an emotional topic.
The fact that these three reactions have to be dissected, discussed in such a lengthy matter I find is the real problem here.
The fact that these three reactions have to be dissected, discussed in such a lengthy matter I find is the real problem here.
Pfft. What you're looking at here is a highly sophisticated, intertubular, electron-powered gossiping. 100,000 years ago it was "OMG you'll never guess what Oog said to Thrud about Zonk". It's baked into our primate brains. That, and a deep dislike for gloating. So long as it doesn't leak into other threads, and we're not slinging potty-words at each other, this little playpen's serving a noble purpose.
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Oh wait. Totally sure.
What the hell... I loves me some KFC. BRING ME THAT BUCKET!
Most of D3 has a "I hope people will like it" feel. They made fundamental changes to the stat system, the skill system, the loot system, legendaries, consumables... they changed Diablo's gender. If Blizzard wanted a nice, safe, guaranteed money-maker, they would have done to D2 what they did with Starcraft. A graphics overhaul, some mechanics tweaks, and a BNet-only backend (although they do both have a shitty story... ZING!). Instead, they took a pile of long-shots and put them all in a box together. You think they were playing it safe??
If all they cared about was money, they'd be richer than God if they had an item shop alongside the RMAH, put a percentage cut on player-sold items instead of a flat fee and, and charge a to let people list more than 5 items, with a premium package for people to list up to 50.
Activision and Blizzard have completely independant executive structures. Calling them ActiBlizzard is willful ignorance.
Saying that they have an intended business model of antagonising customers is... well... asinine? I guess that'll have to do.
You, sir, are a troll. With bells on. A deluxe version with a soundtrack CD of troll music, a hardcover book of troll art and USB key in the shape of a bridge.
Well put, Belphanoir. Couldn't agree more.
It's pretty unprofessional but on the other hand this Brevik guy was pretty much saying haha you fired us and now you suck to the people he used to work with so kind of understandable. Also some pretty unfair digs, like blues being more powerful than yellows (which was no more true of D3 than it was in D2, he obviously didn't actually play D3 and is parroting this crap which was on the forums on release night), the fact your DPS works off your main weapon (I assume he means for casters, which is a departure but personally I think it's more fun than when they were just stat sticks like in D2). And something about things would be better if everything was BOE? What the hell is he even talking about there, nothing has ever bound on any Diablo game, and that was hardly a change the community would've welcomed back in D2, I remember those discussions on the forums. The guy clearly is getting his info on D3 from forum whine.
I feel kinda sorry for him, has to suck making a really successful game and then getting fired (or quitting? I don't freaking know it's none of my damn business) and then trying to make your own studio with visions of complete creative control and it not really working out (sadly never does). Maybe if he'd made D3 it would've been awesome, maybe better than the one we have maybe worse, nobody will ever know. Honestly though people are greatly exaggerating the original Diablo creative teams, I don't think any of them have been amazing perfect games, that goes for D1-D3. They're good games, I played D2 for years and D1 has a special place in my heart but they weren't the work of genius or anything. And making D3 a reskinned D2 would've been a terrible mistake. D3 has to move on from D2 just like D2 did from D1.
On the other hand funny though it was Jay Wilson's post was pretty foolish
So much this. Bring on forum eugenics!
They don't like Jay Wilson and they want to run his name through the mud as much as possible, pretty simple.
As to why this thread is still alive, I have no idea, but I would assume the mods here think a clone would pop up and conspiracy theories thrown around like wildfire if they did.
Best to just ignore it and let the gossip girls get their fill.
This. It's a fire-fighting tactic Blizzard has used for years in WoW. IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE! Lightning-rod threads work even better than lightning rod devs.
... wait...
... what if Jay Wilson is a fake? A hoax identity Blizzard uses to draw people's ire and keep their real staff safe from harm??
... I DEMAND TO SEE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
I find this whole thing very entertaining.
*shakes head slowly*
Wow.
Might as well add Diablo 3 to the resume?
Ha. Bagstone.
Wow. The last time I saw that kind of sleuthing, Russel Crowe was pinning newspaper clippings to an office wall!
I KNEW IT!
colleagues. Anyway, there's standing up, and there's misrepresenting yourself and fanning the flames. I guess all this proves is that there are professionals who would never stoop to arguing with trolls on the Internet and feeding them, and then there are Blizzard devs.
And as overneathe has said, let's keep it civil in here no matter which side of the fence you fall on.
Jay Wilson, aren't you thankful that you still have one? Aren't you... thankful?
Ooh... Jay Wilson has my sympathy. It's because of incidents like this that I don't take part in Facebook, Twitter, and others of their kind. They can be cesspools of "gotchya!" with painful real-life consequences. :/
Edit: The topic got deleted. Here is the link to which the OP referenced. http://d3.zones.gamebase.com.tw/news/61898/topic/95194419/1#1345518935
Every single person who posted in that thread, regardless of what they said, should be permenantly banned. I seriously feel violated just reading it. The number of self-entitled, self-righteous, self-important assholes who use those forums is absolutely unbelievable.
Brevik has the right of free speech to tell his opinion on the matter. Seems to me he is a bit bitter about Blizzard North closing still (and that certainly was a shame).
Haga seems like he is genuinly gutted about Breviks comments. Why? Could be a number of reasons, but I guess they were either friends before, or Haga idolized him, and it hurt.
Jay Wilson shows his support to a co-worker and friend, and in my book he is trying to comfort Haga, by saying "screw him, it's not worth being down over hum, you did great".
All of the above I find are perfectly normal reactions to an emotional topic.
The fact that these three reactions have to be dissected, discussed in such a lengthy matter I find is the real problem here.
Pfft. What you're looking at here is a highly sophisticated, intertubular, electron-powered gossiping. 100,000 years ago it was "OMG you'll never guess what Oog said to Thrud about Zonk". It's baked into our primate brains. That, and a deep dislike for gloating. So long as it doesn't leak into other threads, and we're not slinging potty-words at each other, this little playpen's serving a noble purpose.