There can be no question that this was a bug. Witch doctors have a dot that does 360% weapon damage over 8 seconds. There's no way that 1500% weapon damage over 3 seconds was intentional.
Now, the fact that Blizzard failed to catch this bug was a bit disturbing. I mean, the moment the patch came out and people read the patch notes, everyone noticed this immediately. The fact that Blizzard missed a bug that was discovered in the patch notes itself tells me that Blizzard didn't even read their own damn notes, or that whoever is in charge of QA is incompetent.
Yea but we dont have that surv to begin with. So ToC is high risk/high reward
Actually, if you're patient, it's zero risk, high reward. Vault away from the fight and the mobs will follow you and die all the same. The desire to kill them quicker by vaulting into them is the risk.
Why is it so hard to agree with the concerns of DH players. I'm at 220h played on my dh and yes I'm pissed at this nerf. Because if I knew from day 1 of patch 1.0.4 that trail of cinder was a bug, I wouldn't have wasted my last two weeks playing, gearing and leveling my dh to paragon 16. I sort of expected a nerf, but 1500 to 300? Wtf man.
For those who haven't yet given up to getting geared through AH the 100k dps unbuffed mark is very hard to reach. The fact is player realized it was a lot faster to kill anything by tanking with 8k dps than kitting. Kitting with a demon hunter IS NOT REWARDING. Honestly when I see those melees tanking into molten, desecrate, arcane, I just wonder why affixes are only here to screw me, 2 ticks of arcane and I'm doing 0 dps.
Blizzard need to set the fuckin skills in stone, so ppl can start investing in the class that fits the best for them. Anyway, sad to see they are ruining the game the same way they did with WOW. I don't want to even think about the mess once they start balancing for pvp.
I simply dont enjoy holding shift and shooting offscreen. Sure thing i can kill everyone in such way but it looks dumb =/
ToC was fun and ofcause it was OP. But what really pisses me off is that blizz tells us its a bug though im 100% sure it works as intended and they simply failed at balance. 99% of comunity had predicted that ToC with 1500% weapon damge will be OP as hell.
Blizzard havent seen that for some reason and now they are talking sh^t
Call it nerf, call it fix. It will change. I knew it the moment I've read the patch notes. "Yea, 1500%, like it will last"
I don't bother, I always used Tumble because just one Vault is often insufficient to deass the area.
Noobs will whine, good players will adapt.
yup EVERYONE knew as soon as they read 1,500% it was gunna be retardedly op...and if you didnt your either stupid or dumb(hence why you chose DH...or maybe a barb)
also time wont tell blizzard took wicked wind and halved its crit chance at 50% crit its procs....never lolol 1.0.5 prolly wont be till like october/november so be op while you can
Honestly what's the point of playing a DH now the tank build and trail of cinder are dead? When I see those wiz tanking A3 or doing 80k dps while not being one shotted by anything and their moms or those monks barbs tanking dozens of mobs, I'm just left wondering, what does my DH do that they don't. Oh yeah I can get a nat set and spam gloom endlessly but since farmers took over AH there's no way I'm spending IRL money for this.
Lame.
Sorry about your broken ability getting fixed. I can't imagine how you could enjoy a game without using something OP. Also, if "farmers" had taken over the AH everything would be cheap not expensive.
God forbid you should try to play the game in less than BiS anyway... you might actually have something to actually work towards...
I simply dont enjoy holding shift and shooting offscreen. Sure thing i can kill everyone in such way but it looks dumb =/
ToC was fun and ofcause it was OP. But what really pisses me off is that blizz tells us its a bug though im 100% sure it works as intended and they simply failed at balance. 99% of comunity had predicted that ToC with 1500% weapon damge will be OP as hell.
Blizzard havent seen that for some reason and now they are talking sh^t
Yeah sure one vault through a champ pack and watch them melt I'm sure that was intentional and Blizzard's just making shit up. Here's a net, catch a clue.
Why is it so hard to agree with the concerns of DH players. I'm at 220h played on my dh and yes I'm pissed at this nerf. Because if I knew from day 1 of patch 1.0.4 that trail of cinder was a bug, I wouldn't have wasted my last two weeks playing, gearing and leveling my dh to paragon 16. I sort of expected a nerf, but 1500 to 300? Wtf man.
For those who haven't yet given up to getting geared through AH the 100k dps unbuffed mark is very hard to reach. The fact is player realized it was a lot faster to kill anything by tanking with 8k dps than kitting. Kitting with a demon hunter IS NOT REWARDING. Honestly when I see those melees tanking into molten, desecrate, arcane, I just wonder why affixes are only here to screw me, 2 ticks of arcane and I'm doing 0 dps.
Blizzard need to set the fuckin skills in stone, so ppl can start investing in the class that fits the best for them. Anyway, sad to see they are ruining the game the same way they did with WOW. I don't want to even think about the mess once they start balancing for pvp.
LOL. TLDR: I only play broken OP classes so Blizzard please tell me ahead of time which classes will have broken abilities so I can play those!!!
And what were you expecting, 1500 to 1499? Of course it was going to be a massive nerf.
Sorry about your broken ability getting fixed. I can't imagine how you could enjoy a game without using something OP. Also, if "farmers" had taken over the AH everything would be cheap not expensive.
God forbid you should try to play the game in less than BiS anyway... you might actually have something to actually work towards...
Sure dude, I forgot farmers have limited ressources and can't manipulate AH prices . And you know what's OP? Melees standing in molten desecrate arcane and not having to move, I'm still hesitating to level one tho caus that look so boring to stand and push buttons.
As for not working toward something, I have 268 hours played on my DH my only lv 60, made it to half a3 solo without the use of AH, in one shooted mode with 20k dps. So yeah not only do you like to assume things, but you fail at it.
I was more imagining it to be nerfed at 500-600% dps over 3 sec, which would have been fine with me. I guess I will just do like you and roll one of those class who just stands still and press buttons to kill shit or have invicible minions to tank for them.
Oh and guys, link your DH. Or let me guess, you don't farm inferno with a DH and are so bored with your class the only thing left to you is meta game unofficial forum bashing. That would be pathetic.
Sorry about your broken ability getting fixed. I can't imagine how you could enjoy a game without using something OP. Also, if "farmers" had taken over the AH everything would be cheap not expensive.
God forbid you should try to play the game in less than BiS anyway... you might actually have something to actually work towards...
Sure dude, I forgot farmers have limited ressources and can't manipulate AH prices . And you know what's OP? Melees standing in molten desecrate arcane and not having to move, I'm still hesitating to level one tho caus that look so boring to stand and push buttons.
As for not working toward something, I have 268 hours played on my DH my only lv 60, made it to half a3 solo without the use of AH, in one shooted mode with 20k dps. So yeah not only do you like to assume things, but you fail at it.
I was more imagining it to be nerfed at 500-600% dps over 3 sec, which would have been fine with me. I guess I will just do like you and roll one of those class who just stands still and press buttons to kill shit or have invicible minions to tank for them.
Oh and guys, link your DH. Or let me guess, you don't farm inferno with a DH and are so bored with your class the only thing left to you is meta game unofficial forum bashing. That would be pathetic.
You realize that any class can steamroll once you outgear the content right? My DH does cydea/azmodan run with 5 stacks in about 8-9 minutes. It's boring.
Im glad theyre nerfing it. I tried it once and didnt like it. Seemed wrong and i agree with Blizzard, Discipline should be used to get you out of trouble not putting you into the middle of it. DHs are a ranged class remember, we should be kiting mobs not running at them.
Im glad theyre nerfing it. I tried it once and didnt like it. Seemed wrong and i agree with Blizzard, Discipline should be used to get you out of trouble not putting you into the middle of it. DHs are a ranged class remember, we should be kiting mobs not running at them.
I don't really undertand the disc starved problem you are talking about. This was stated by bliz devs who have no deep gameplay experience of their own game, they don't even test their changes.
Fast elite is about to melee me, I vault to get away shoot a few times, vault out of melee, shoot a few times, vault out of melee. Instead of kitting for 5mins something that can potentially 2 shot me I could kill it within 1min by playing actively. I don't care for it to be nerfed, but 300% is a joke, 600% we can talk. Now everyone will forget about vault and go back to the slow paced unfun caltrop playstyle.
I guess it doesn't affect multi DH as much as solo DH. In multi with tanks standing into all the affixes possible there's no way to vault into elites without being oneshoted anyway.
Seriously you guys. Reading all this is just uhhhhh. Demon hunters whine about nerf, non demon hunters whine that all DH are op and should be deleted. Why are even people whining in a literally single player game, either roll DH yourself or play whichever class you playing and get better gear, once you got good gear it does not really matter what class you playing.
W/e they're doing with ToC (nerfing or fixing) is kinda expected. The only thing I dislike about it is they claim its a bug while it is obviously not and they screwed up massively and they dont have decency to tell so.
I'm a DH myself (paragon 30) and it won't change my playstyle at all, I dont really need ToC to freefarm act3. It'll still be better than it was in 1.3. Surely 1500%>300% will slow down things abit but I'm not bothered much.
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Now, the fact that Blizzard failed to catch this bug was a bit disturbing. I mean, the moment the patch came out and people read the patch notes, everyone noticed this immediately. The fact that Blizzard missed a bug that was discovered in the patch notes itself tells me that Blizzard didn't even read their own damn notes, or that whoever is in charge of QA is incompetent.
For those who haven't yet given up to getting geared through AH the 100k dps unbuffed mark is very hard to reach. The fact is player realized it was a lot faster to kill anything by tanking with 8k dps than kitting. Kitting with a demon hunter IS NOT REWARDING. Honestly when I see those melees tanking into molten, desecrate, arcane, I just wonder why affixes are only here to screw me, 2 ticks of arcane and I'm doing 0 dps.
Blizzard need to set the fuckin skills in stone, so ppl can start investing in the class that fits the best for them. Anyway, sad to see they are ruining the game the same way they did with WOW. I don't want to even think about the mess once they start balancing for pvp.
"All ToC users will be banned for bug exploiting. Fuck those losers."
Hahahahaha. Sorry, I had a hard laugh. :-)
ToC was fun and ofcause it was OP. But what really pisses me off is that blizz tells us its a bug though im 100% sure it works as intended and they simply failed at balance. 99% of comunity had predicted that ToC with 1500% weapon damge will be OP as hell.
Blizzard havent seen that for some reason and now they are talking sh^t
yup EVERYONE knew as soon as they read 1,500% it was gunna be retardedly op...and if you didnt your either stupid or dumb(hence why you chose DH...or maybe a barb)
also time wont tell blizzard took wicked wind and halved its crit chance at 50% crit its procs....never lolol 1.0.5 prolly wont be till like october/november so be op while you can
Sorry about your broken ability getting fixed. I can't imagine how you could enjoy a game without using something OP. Also, if "farmers" had taken over the AH everything would be cheap not expensive.
God forbid you should try to play the game in less than BiS anyway... you might actually have something to actually work towards...
Yeah sure one vault through a champ pack and watch them melt I'm sure that was intentional and Blizzard's just making shit up. Here's a net, catch a clue.
LOL. TLDR: I only play broken OP classes so Blizzard please tell me ahead of time which classes will have broken abilities so I can play those!!!
And what were you expecting, 1500 to 1499? Of course it was going to be a massive nerf.
Sure dude, I forgot farmers have limited ressources and can't manipulate AH prices . And you know what's OP? Melees standing in molten desecrate arcane and not having to move, I'm still hesitating to level one tho caus that look so boring to stand and push buttons.
As for not working toward something, I have 268 hours played on my DH my only lv 60, made it to half a3 solo without the use of AH, in one shooted mode with 20k dps. So yeah not only do you like to assume things, but you fail at it.
I was more imagining it to be nerfed at 500-600% dps over 3 sec, which would have been fine with me. I guess I will just do like you and roll one of those class who just stands still and press buttons to kill shit or have invicible minions to tank for them.
Oh and guys, link your DH. Or let me guess, you don't farm inferno with a DH and are so bored with your class the only thing left to you is meta game unofficial forum bashing. That would be pathetic.
You realize that any class can steamroll once you outgear the content right? My DH does cydea/azmodan run with 5 stacks in about 8-9 minutes. It's boring.
I don't really undertand the disc starved problem you are talking about. This was stated by bliz devs who have no deep gameplay experience of their own game, they don't even test their changes.
Fast elite is about to melee me, I vault to get away shoot a few times, vault out of melee, shoot a few times, vault out of melee. Instead of kitting for 5mins something that can potentially 2 shot me I could kill it within 1min by playing actively. I don't care for it to be nerfed, but 300% is a joke, 600% we can talk. Now everyone will forget about vault and go back to the slow paced unfun caltrop playstyle.
I guess it doesn't affect multi DH as much as solo DH. In multi with tanks standing into all the affixes possible there's no way to vault into elites without being oneshoted anyway.
W/e they're doing with ToC (nerfing or fixing) is kinda expected. The only thing I dislike about it is they claim its a bug while it is obviously not and they screwed up massively and they dont have decency to tell so.
I'm a DH myself (paragon 30) and it won't change my playstyle at all, I dont really need ToC to freefarm act3. It'll still be better than it was in 1.3. Surely 1500%>300% will slow down things abit but I'm not bothered much.