If you don't care about RMAH details, nothing new.
The "September '11 beta" graphic was new, in that it didn't have a 'targeting' qualifier, so sort of puts them on the spot with investors. That surprised me, though it could have been a slip-up.
Tippler was more Ahnietastic than ever. But that isn't really new.
I think generally the 3rd party sites want to encourage you to deposit so they don't take any fee for deposits, only for withdrawals. That being the case, any fees taken for cashing out after selling in the RMAH will go to blizzard and not the 3rd party site.
Of course, effectively the 3rd party site will be getting their fee aswell, because once your money is there, it's a matter of time before you withdraw/use it and they get their fee than. So they don't take a fee from the deposit after the RMAH sale, but they effectively earn the future fee from cashing out of their site.
Also, from hearing pardo in the video it sounds to me that he does in fact mean the % fee will go to blizzard.
Btw, all that is said just to clarify things as I understand them, and not to go against or criticize blizzard. As a matter of fact I don't have a problem with them taking this fee, it's the logical move for a business company to make and I agree with them for doing it.
The arguments in this thread remind me of the ones we had on sc2mapster about the map marketplace.
There's a large group of people really not happy about money getting involved in Blizz games (after the initial purchase or subscription). But to me, it's Blizz staying in the 'game' and pleasing investors while still being very good to its fan base (WE can make money on the RMAH and WE can make money on the map marketplace).
"if Blizzard doesn’t provide it someone else will."
Blizzard (this means Jay Wilson, Bashiok, and all the rest) have confirmed that the fee taken during the transaction will be FLAT. Trust me, Blizzard is not stupid enough to take a percentage. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. Please listen to this:
It all sounded good up until the % based charge for cash-out came out of his mouth -.- (This came from the second part of the video on Force's youtube)
Edit: The one Doom just post
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What I want to know though, is can you buy/sell hardcore characters? There was something else but I forgot what it was... ><
One more time: The fee to post and buy an item will be flat. This is to discourage spam while still encouraging volume. The rake when you cash out will be a %, exclusive of any paypall-type fee. TWO DIFFERENT FEES. One structured as an incentive, one as a disincentive (sorta kinda).
Rob goes over this from about 10:00 on in doom's post above.
No, I do believe that Blizzard will be taking a % for cashing out. But this does not matter to me as it will not affect my interaction with the RMAH
If that's the case, it certainly does fucking affect me. If it's true, it would sincerely pisses me off. Taking a percentage of the fee is just about the lamest goddamn thing I've heard, especially since everyone who's been in favor of the RMAH up to this point has been banking on the fact that it would be flat.
If you choose to cash out, you won't pay the flat price, but a set % of the sum as it goes to the Third Party Site. So much we pretty much expected before. What's important is the %. If it's around 10% then it shouldn't be an issue. More and it will definitely will. Wait and see. Worst case scenario we stick to the regular "gold" auction house.
It's quite amusing. With Diablo II we had the most inconvenient way to trade ever. Diablo III offers us 2 solid, convenient ways (in addition to the one of Diablo II) and yet way more people are complaining!
Blizzard will not take a percentage. There are two fees and both are flat. One for posting, and one for selling. It's all laid out in plane text on the official site:
Official Blizzard Quote:
A nominal fixed transaction fee will be deducted from the seller for each item listed in the auction house. This fee consists of a fixed charge to list the item, which is assessed whether or not the item is successfully sold, and an additional fixed charge that is assessed only if the item is sold. Because the listing portion of the fee is charged even if the item doesn't sell, it will be in the seller's interest to list items he or she believes other players will be interested in, and to do so at a competitive price. Specific details related to the transaction fee for the currency-based auction house will vary by region and will be announced at a later date.
One more time - SELLING AN ITEM (which has a flat fee attached, as does posting it for sale) IS NOT THE SAME AS CASHING OUT.
They want you to keep your 'money' in the system. Or so they say at this point - they may find out that the cashout rake makes more money than the flat posting fee when the rubber hits the road.
Blizzard will not take a percentage. There are two fees and both are flat. One for posting, and one for selling. It's all laid out in plane text on the official site:
Official Blizzard Quote:
A nominal fixed transaction fee will be deducted from the seller for each item listed in the auction house. This fee consists of a fixed charge to list the item, which is assessed whether or not the item is successfully sold, and an additional fixed charge that is assessed only if the item is sold. Because the listing portion of the fee is charged even if the item doesn't sell, it will be in the seller's interest to list items he or she believes other players will be interested in, and to do so at a competitive price. Specific details related to the transaction fee for the currency-based auction house will vary by region and will be announced at a later date.
Your missnig the key in here, thats for listing and selling, NOT for cashing out.
There will be a % for chashing out... if thats from blizzard, or from the third party, it does not matter, but there will be.
Blizzard will not take a percentage. There are two fees and both are flat. One for posting, and one for selling. It's all laid out in plane text on the official site:
Official Blizzard Quote:
A nominal fixed transaction fee will be deducted from the seller for each item listed in the auction house. This fee consists of a fixed charge to list the item, which is assessed whether or not the item is successfully sold, and an additional fixed charge that is assessed only if the item is sold. Because the listing portion of the fee is charged even if the item doesn't sell, it will be in the seller's interest to list items he or she believes other players will be interested in, and to do so at a competitive price. Specific details related to the transaction fee for the currency-based auction house will vary by region and will be announced at a later date.
The "September '11 beta" graphic was new, in that it didn't have a 'targeting' qualifier, so sort of puts them on the spot with investors. That surprised me, though it could have been a slip-up.
Tippler was more Ahnietastic than ever. But that isn't really new.
Of course, effectively the 3rd party site will be getting their fee aswell, because once your money is there, it's a matter of time before you withdraw/use it and they get their fee than. So they don't take a fee from the deposit after the RMAH sale, but they effectively earn the future fee from cashing out of their site.
Also, from hearing pardo in the video it sounds to me that he does in fact mean the % fee will go to blizzard.
Btw, all that is said just to clarify things as I understand them, and not to go against or criticize blizzard. As a matter of fact I don't have a problem with them taking this fee, it's the logical move for a business company to make and I agree with them for doing it.
Wait till they officially announce it, I say.
There's a large group of people really not happy about money getting involved in Blizz games (after the initial purchase or subscription). But to me, it's Blizz staying in the 'game' and pleasing investors while still being very good to its fan base (WE can make money on the RMAH and WE can make money on the map marketplace).
"if Blizzard doesn’t provide it someone else will."
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Start at 2:00. "We don't take a percentage of the cut." Period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtYtqjoT6ys
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What I want to know though, is can you buy/sell hardcore characters? There was something else but I forgot what it was... ><
Rob goes over this from about 10:00 on in doom's post above.
They're not just going to suddenly after Gamescom do a complete 180 on the matter. That is not the way Blizzard does business.
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NOT OK AT ALL. THIS IS PURE SHIT.
(I guess I'm not done)
Official Blizzard Quote:
A nominal fixed transaction fee will be deducted from the seller for each item listed in the auction house. This fee consists of a fixed charge to list the item, which is assessed whether or not the item is successfully sold, and an additional fixed charge that is assessed only if the item is sold. Because the listing portion of the fee is charged even if the item doesn't sell, it will be in the seller's interest to list items he or she believes other players will be interested in, and to do so at a competitive price. Specific details related to the transaction fee for the currency-based auction house will vary by region and will be announced at a later date.
Source: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/services/auction-house/info#q4
They want you to keep your 'money' in the system. Or so they say at this point - they may find out that the cashout rake makes more money than the flat posting fee when the rubber hits the road.
Your missnig the key in here, thats for listing and selling, NOT for cashing out.
There will be a % for chashing out... if thats from blizzard, or from the third party, it does not matter, but there will be.
What you're saying is about selling for e-currency.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/services/auction-house/info#q7
That's for the cash-out option. And it pretty much says we'll be learning more later. Which is now.
"than it goes against what they've said earlier"
Congrats, doom, you're starting to see the bigger picture. Run with it.