What's the name of the one where you hold the dumbell between your legs and do the squat? My friend and I were arguing about this earlier...I've just been calling it a dumbell squat but he insists that there is a fancier name.
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A version, which I believe is more effective and less stressful on joints, is to hold one dumbbell in either hand on the outside of your legs and then squat.
The guy in that picture is using bad technique. Make sure you are always looking at the upper corner of where the wall meets the ceiling.
I've never actually attempted it with dumbbells, we always used a straight bar.
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No it's not a dumbbell deadlift; although I do like doing those because it allows more focus on forum rather than weight. It's still a squat motion; I think it might just be a variation of the goblet squat (which I think I will start doing, I like going low on my squats, not stopping at 90 degrees)
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The guy in that picture is using bad technique. Make sure you are always looking at the upper corner of where the wall meets the ceiling.
Don't ever do that. It puts unneeded stress on your neck/spine.
No it's not a dumbbell deadlift; although I do like doing those because it allows more focus on forum rather than weight. It's still a squat motion; I think it might just be a variation of the goblet squat (which I think I will start doing, I like going low on my squats, not stopping at 90 degrees)
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Don't ever do that. It puts unneeded stress on your neck/spine.
Are you kidding?!? That's the only way that beginning weight lifters can keep their backs straight!! Keeping the back straight is what takes the stress off of the spine.
This is especially the case, if he is holding a single dumbbell in between his legs.
Why you ask? It's because the weight of the bell rolls the shoulders forward.
Honestly I don't care for goblet squats or single dumbbell deadlifts (technically it is considered a deadlift or squat, since it isn't exactly either) because they simply aren't as effective as barbell deadlifts/squats, or dual dumbbell deadlifts/squats.
One legged squats are good too, IF you don't need to build any size. But one legged squats still don't cut the fronts of the quads nearly as much as sissy squats do.
Body weight exercises will never build size. Period. So, no, they aren't always better.
Paypay - Don't try me. I know more about body building than most people learn in a life time.
Are you kidding?!? That's the only way that beginning weight lifters can keep their backs straight!! Keeping the back straight is what takes the stress off of the spine.
This is especially the case, if he is holding a single dumbbell in between his legs.
Why you ask? It's because the weight of the bell rolls the shoulders forward.
Honestly I don't care for goblet squats or single dumbbell deadlifts (technically it is considered a deadlift or squat, since it isn't exactly either) because they simply aren't as effective as barbell deadlifts/squats, or dual dumbbell deadlifts/squats.
One legged squats are good too, IF you don't need to build any size. But one legged squats still don't cut the fronts of the quads nearly as much as sissy squats do.
Body weight exercises will never build size. Period. So, no, they aren't always better.
Paypay - Don't try me. I know more about body building than most people learn in a life time.
A beginner lifter shouldn't be using so much weight that he is sacrificing his form. I'm not arguing the effectiveness of the goblet squat over a barbell squat but I am standing by my statement about stress on the neck. If you do have as as much insight as you claim, I in all seriousness wouldn't mind hearing some of it, learning something new is always good.
(Bodybuilders suck, they may be stronger than an avarage person, but they are always very slow and are easily injured,
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. A well designed routine should help prevent injury. The problem arises from people targeting only 1 muscle in a group that has an agonist/antagonist (spelling?). So training only quads and not hamstrings for example.
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a training routine designed for strength, not mass, will make you a lot stronger.)
Are you really only a bodybuilder? I was hoping that your more into strength or something.
1) I dont really know about bodybuilding and injury, but training to increase performance, not mass is always better in the long run, even though you can injure yourself with strength (or endurance or flexibility) training if you dont do it properly... After all the point of strength training is to make you... stronger... less prone to injury.
2) I know it sounded weird, i said it because some (MOST) people think:
~(WRONG)~
(WRONG) ==> Muscle Mass = Strength <== (WRONG)
^^(WRONG)^^
And again:
The only thing that matters is how your muscles work, not what kind of object you use for resistance.
QFMFT.
Your muscles are mostly fluid. Body builders focus on sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, building up the liquids in muscles to make them plump. Sure, they LOOK strong, but they're really not. As mentioned, olympic lifters are much smaller, but much much stronger than body builders.
To the original question, it's just a squat. Plain and simple. Call it a dumbell squat if you want. Differences in exercise nomenclature are based on fundamental differences in the muscle systems used/form.
It's not a deadlift in any way, shape, or form. Deadlifts use a completely different form than squats. The fact that the weight is being held below you rather than on your back doesn't make it a deadlift if the movement is a squat.
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Yep. As a side note, this is why I was so happy with the new design of the barb. He looks like a legit strongman, without the "plump" muscles. He sort of seems denser if you know what I mean.
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Your muscles are mostly fluid. Body builders focus on sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, building up the liquids in muscles to make them plump. Sure, they LOOK strong, but they're really not. As mentioned, olympic lifters are much smaller, but much much stronger than body builders.
Olympic lifters smaller than bodybuilders. :D:D Okay, now that I stopped crying from laughing so hard.
You actually have it backwards. Most bodybuilders look bigger due to being extremely lean, but actually have quite a bit smaller body mass than olympic lifters. Most olympic lifters and strongmen are in the 260-350lb category (many approaching 400lbs), while most bodybuilders are generally in the 220-260lb range.
The reason is that the competitive bodybuilders are actually training for definition. At a bodybuilders peak, it is necessary for them to be within the 1-5% body fat range. Look at an olympic lifter. They have a LOT more fat on their bodies, usually between 10-18%. The reason for this is that in order to lift more weight, the human body requires more mass. It doesn't matter if the mass is 75% muscle and 25% fat, or if it is 95% muscle and 5% fat. It is simple physics. Mass is required to move mass.
Look at the strong man competitions. Those guys have herculean strength, but are almost never below 12% bf. Look at powerlifting competitions, and you will rarely see one under 15%.
Sure, a lot of the new age bodybuilders are going the route of having more mass, but the real bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's are the real Greats that should be your example.
You cannot argue with the fact that those bodybuilders were among the strongest, fastest and most agile men to ever live.
Robby Robinson at his bodybuilding peak could run a 9.4sec 100meter dash.
Mike Katz played pro football for the NY Jets.
Lou Ferrigno and Ken Waller played in the pro Canadian Football League (they weren't American citizens).
Bill Pearl was an All-Navy champion wrestler.
Frank Zane was a champion archer.
Andreas Cahling, a couple of years before his Mr. International title was a Junior National Champion in Judo and wrestling.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was a European Champion in curling.
And the list goes on.
Arnold has a personal squat record of 180Kg (397lbs) for 8 reps. THAT is strength. Especially for a guy who never weighed more than 260lbs in competition.
Watch these videos, and tell me that Ronnie Coleman (Mr Olympia 07) isn't strong.
It's not a deadlift in any way, shape, or form. Deadlifts use a completely different form than squats. The fact that the weight is being held below you rather than on your back doesn't make it a deadlift if the movement is a squat.
It's really not worth arguing because we can't see what movement he is actually doing. You might be thinking I'm talking about a straight leg deadlift, which I know he is not doing. But whether it is a deadlift or squat can not be determined unless we actually see what he is doing.
As for the looking at the ceiling. I wasn't saying that if you are 1 foot away from the wall that you look at the corner. :confused: I was saying that if you are looking perfectly horizontal or looking down, you are not going to have good form. Period.
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Yes, definitely. Though his biceps shouldnt be that big, should be at least same big as his triceps.
To be in proportion, triceps should actually be almost twice the size of the biceps.
Olympic lifters smaller than bodybuilders. :D:D Okay, now that I stopped crying from laughing so hard.
My point was that "bodybuilders" train for mass, not strength. Their muscles ARE much larger. Yes, it also has to do a lot with definition, but their muscles are larger.
Though yeah, now I realize I made a mistake saying that olympic lifters are much smaller. It's because when I think of olympic lifters, I think of Ivan Stoitsov:
It's really not worth arguing because we can't see what movement he is actually doing. You might be thinking I'm talking about a straight leg deadlift, which I know he is not doing. But whether it is a deadlift or squat can not be determined unless we actually see what he is doing.
I didn't see the picture. I was just basing my interpretation on his explanation.
As for the looking at the ceiling. I wasn't saying that if you are 1 foot away from the wall that you look at the corner. :confused: I was saying that if you are looking perfectly horizontal or looking down, you are not going to have good form. Period.
I don't see how this is true. Keeping your back from rounding has nothing to do with your head position. Keeping your glutes tight and knees out, upper back/shoulders tight is all it takes. Are you saying this is bad form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjfEnUT2A-g
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I've been debating getting that very book at Barnes & Noble. Do you have it?
I know Mark does a lot of work with CrossFit, and they're basically the authority on fitness in my mind.
Haha yeah, those quads could frighten small children.
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Well if you did have it, do you think it would be a good buy, hypothetically speaking?
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Strength training. Pretty much all compound exercises. Squats, overhead squats, deadlifts, overhead press, bench press, pullups, dips. Other random things once in awhile if I'm bored. I should run once in awhile, but don't.
What do you do?
I've heard of Infinite Intensity too. I think I'll make a trip to the ol' book store on my next pay day.
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I just call it a "Squat" you can call it whatever you like I guess.
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A version, which I believe is more effective and less stressful on joints, is to hold one dumbbell in either hand on the outside of your legs and then squat.
The guy in that picture is using bad technique. Make sure you are always looking at the upper corner of where the wall meets the ceiling.
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You can also do it with the box bar, which is technically the "real" deadlift.
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Don't ever do that. It puts unneeded stress on your neck/spine.
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Are you kidding?!? That's the only way that beginning weight lifters can keep their backs straight!! Keeping the back straight is what takes the stress off of the spine.
This is especially the case, if he is holding a single dumbbell in between his legs.
Why you ask? It's because the weight of the bell rolls the shoulders forward.
Honestly I don't care for goblet squats or single dumbbell deadlifts (technically it is considered a deadlift or squat, since it isn't exactly either) because they simply aren't as effective as barbell deadlifts/squats, or dual dumbbell deadlifts/squats.
One legged squats are good too, IF you don't need to build any size. But one legged squats still don't cut the fronts of the quads nearly as much as sissy squats do.
Body weight exercises will never build size. Period. So, no, they aren't always better.
Paypay - Don't try me. I know more about body building than most people learn in a life time.
A beginner lifter shouldn't be using so much weight that he is sacrificing his form. I'm not arguing the effectiveness of the goblet squat over a barbell squat but I am standing by my statement about stress on the neck. If you do have as as much insight as you claim, I in all seriousness wouldn't mind hearing some of it, learning something new is always good.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you there. A well designed routine should help prevent injury. The problem arises from people targeting only 1 muscle in a group that has an agonist/antagonist (spelling?). So training only quads and not hamstrings for example.
...Who would of thought.
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QFMFT.
Your muscles are mostly fluid. Body builders focus on sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, building up the liquids in muscles to make them plump. Sure, they LOOK strong, but they're really not. As mentioned, olympic lifters are much smaller, but much much stronger than body builders.
To the original question, it's just a squat. Plain and simple. Call it a dumbell squat if you want. Differences in exercise nomenclature are based on fundamental differences in the muscle systems used/form.
It's not a deadlift in any way, shape, or form. Deadlifts use a completely different form than squats. The fact that the weight is being held below you rather than on your back doesn't make it a deadlift if the movement is a squat.
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Olympic lifters smaller than bodybuilders. :D:D Okay, now that I stopped crying from laughing so hard.
You actually have it backwards. Most bodybuilders look bigger due to being extremely lean, but actually have quite a bit smaller body mass than olympic lifters. Most olympic lifters and strongmen are in the 260-350lb category (many approaching 400lbs), while most bodybuilders are generally in the 220-260lb range.
The reason is that the competitive bodybuilders are actually training for definition. At a bodybuilders peak, it is necessary for them to be within the 1-5% body fat range. Look at an olympic lifter. They have a LOT more fat on their bodies, usually between 10-18%. The reason for this is that in order to lift more weight, the human body requires more mass. It doesn't matter if the mass is 75% muscle and 25% fat, or if it is 95% muscle and 5% fat. It is simple physics. Mass is required to move mass.
Look at the strong man competitions. Those guys have herculean strength, but are almost never below 12% bf. Look at powerlifting competitions, and you will rarely see one under 15%.
Sure, a lot of the new age bodybuilders are going the route of having more mass, but the real bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's are the real Greats that should be your example.
You cannot argue with the fact that those bodybuilders were among the strongest, fastest and most agile men to ever live.
Robby Robinson at his bodybuilding peak could run a 9.4sec 100meter dash.
Mike Katz played pro football for the NY Jets.
Lou Ferrigno and Ken Waller played in the pro Canadian Football League (they weren't American citizens).
Bill Pearl was an All-Navy champion wrestler.
Frank Zane was a champion archer.
Andreas Cahling, a couple of years before his Mr. International title was a Junior National Champion in Judo and wrestling.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was a European Champion in curling.
And the list goes on.
Arnold has a personal squat record of 180Kg (397lbs) for 8 reps. THAT is strength. Especially for a guy who never weighed more than 260lbs in competition.
Watch these videos, and tell me that Ronnie Coleman (Mr Olympia 07) isn't strong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSNvEpH2L1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQsmwC4jSFY&feature=related
It's really not worth arguing because we can't see what movement he is actually doing. You might be thinking I'm talking about a straight leg deadlift, which I know he is not doing. But whether it is a deadlift or squat can not be determined unless we actually see what he is doing.
As for the looking at the ceiling. I wasn't saying that if you are 1 foot away from the wall that you look at the corner. :confused: I was saying that if you are looking perfectly horizontal or looking down, you are not going to have good form. Period.
To be in proportion, triceps should actually be almost twice the size of the biceps.
My point was that "bodybuilders" train for mass, not strength. Their muscles ARE much larger. Yes, it also has to do a lot with definition, but their muscles are larger.
Though yeah, now I realize I made a mistake saying that olympic lifters are much smaller. It's because when I think of olympic lifters, I think of Ivan Stoitsov:
I didn't see the picture. I was just basing my interpretation on his explanation.
I don't see how this is true. Keeping your back from rounding has nothing to do with your head position. Keeping your glutes tight and knees out, upper back/shoulders tight is all it takes. Are you saying this is bad form:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjfEnUT2A-g
?
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I know Mark does a lot of work with CrossFit, and they're basically the authority on fitness in my mind.
Haha yeah, those quads could frighten small children.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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Well if you did have it, do you think it would be a good buy, hypothetically speaking?
-Hunter S. Thompson
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Never knew that
I still think Zane had probably one of the best physiques ever to hit a competitive stage.
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I've heard of Infinite Intensity too. I think I'll make a trip to the ol' book store on my next pay day.
-Hunter S. Thompson
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