I think that when Inarius sucked it`s power he altered it, or I may be wrong. Nonetheless I recall for sure that Inarius saw the alteration, it was like a core alteration(the very structure of the elements was changed) not like Inarius or Lilith.
And at the end, Mephisto and the Council make a deal about it but it`s not writen what it is. I assume that they altere it so the nephalem `s powers grow more slowly like before Lilith changed it.
And finaly some1 who thinks like me. Thje heroes in D2(and posibly in D1, or atleast the wanderer) are humans with growing nephalem powers.
Actually they did speak of it kind of indirectly if i recall correctly. Tyreal had the choice to choose and noted that what he saw in humans was good and it should be allowed to grow. Mephisto agreed. And also both agreed they had to make their OWN way in the universe and that their powers were revealed to them too early for them to understand. In result, they decided that all humans' memory of the incidents spilling over in sanctuary, including their powers. In time they would manifest themselves.
So I'm sure they altered the stone in order for the powers to remain dormant. Whether or not the powers of Diablo 2 are the powers of their "Birth Right" I do not know, but it can be speculated so. But to me, those powers would take a very long time to manifest themselves and Diablo 2 is barely any time past the Sin War because from my perspective, "The Dark Exile" and Diablo's takeover of Tristram all happened very quickly. But the Sin war itself lasted for a long time according to lore, but for how long we don't know. But in Demonsbane, or rather a description after Demonsbane brought to us by MD we say that Siggard fought for the forces of light for a very long time past a normal human's life because of his ability to escape death.
It was always my speculation though that Diablo 2 wasn't a display of that power for a few reasons. One being, it was prior to Knack's Sin War trilogy. This leads into the second point of why I think their powers did not manifest in Diablo 2. It would be much more likely that the creators of Diablo III would play off the story and use all the new lore provided by Knack. So in my opinion Diablo III is when we may see those powers finally again.
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But to me, those powers would take a very long time to manifest themselves and Diablo 2 is barely any time past the Sin War because from my perspective, "The Dark Exile" and Diablo's takeover of Tristram all happened very quickly. But the Sin war itself lasted for a long time according to lore, but for how long we don't know.
First, the Sin War is the war between Angels and Demons to get the souls of humanity, it never ended and it's still going on.
Second, the events of Diablo2 happened about 3000 years after the Sin War trilogy, and there's several hundred years between The Dark Exile and the events of Tristram.
Third, it took Uldyssian only months for his power to fully manifest which almost destroyed Sanctuary and he is just a simple farmer Lol. Maybe D2 heroes aren't technically Nephalems, but they are at least imo the beginning of a new generation, and with the destruction of the Worldstone any humans will now be able to "unlock" their Birthright with just a little help... just a little.
First, the Sin War is the war between Angels and Demons to get the souls of humanity, it never ended and it's still going on.
Second, the events of Diablo2 happened about 3000 years after the Sin War trilogy, and there's several hundred years between The Dark Exile and the events of Tristram.
Third, it took Uldyssian only months for his power to fully manifest which almost destroyed Sanctuary and he is just a simple farmer Lol. Maybe D2 heroes aren't technically Nephalems, but they are at least imo the beginning of a new generation, and with the destruction of the Worldstone any humans will now be able to "unlock" their Birthright with just a little help... just a little.
um..you do know that he didn't manifest his powers himself right? Thats why they erased everyones memory because they were not ready for it. Lilith was the cause of all of that. And once again, Diablo 2 was before the concept of Nephalem, it was never intended for them to be using their birth right. And where do you get your dating? Especially for the tine between the Dark Exile and the events in Tristram?
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The concept of the Nephalem isn't completely new. The stuff in the Sin War Trilogy does have roots in the Diablo games.
Ancients: "We are the spirits of the Nephalem, the Ancient Ones..."
Anya: "I believe that the Ancients were more than human -- that mankind has fallen from what it once was."
Also, I can support Veltras' dates. It says on the back of the Sin War books that it takes place "3000 years before the darkening of Tristram". And we know that the Dark Exile happened hundreds of years ago. I don't remember how we know, I just know that we know. But at the least, we know this:
Izual: "The plan we set in motion so long ago cannot be stopped by any mortal agency."
The Binding of the Three: "In the ancient days, before the rise of the Western Empires, the dark and terrible entities known as the Three Evils were exiled to the world of Man."
'So long ago' and 'ancient days' clearly means it didn't happen recently.
I believe that every class (except for the mages) get their power from their nephalic side. Mages are different because they call upon the power of magic. But for classes like the Druid, Barbarian and Necromancer, they are using nephalic powers.
The Sin War trilogy basically let us know that anything a human does that is more than a normal human should be able to do is regarded as their nephalic powers being used. The whole 'let humans grow to their potential' thing did happen 3000 years ago, so it indicates that all the clans and orders that have developed since then are honing their 'birthright' powers.
Mages are an exception because the nature of magic is different. They were able to cast spells even when the Worldstone was taking away their 'birthright'.
The Nature of Magic
Magic is an extremely powerful force, the manipulation of which is carefully studied, frequently learned, but is never fully mastered. Enchantments exude an aura that can be sensed by many, but years of training are required to properly exploit the Mana that pervades the world.
Some scholars use natural manifestations to explain the workings of the universe. In a common archetype, the physical world is linked to the sky while the ethereal realm of magic is set as an ocean. If we follow this line of thought, spells are much like turbulence that occurs where the two interact with each other. During the Sin War, Demon and Angel alike wrought powerful magicks that threatened to tear the fabric of reality apart. The physical and magical realms began to blur and merge, which, in our archetype, would be the equivalent of a fierce hurricane.
The forces of Order sought to preserve our reality by limiting the power of mortal man. As a consequence, only the strongest wills can harness more than the most basic of magical effects. Even then, much energy is lost in the transition of power between the two Realms. As a practitioner of the arcane rate grows more knowledgeable he is able to create these effects with greater efficiency, resulting in spells that are more potent, have more endurance and drain less Mana in their casting.
um..you do know that he didn't manifest his powers himself right? Thats why they erased everyones memory because they were not ready for it. Lilith was the cause of all of that.
Yes, that's why I said that they needed a little help to have their true power manifest itself.
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And once again, Diablo 2 was before the concept of Nephalem, it was never intended for them to be using their birth right.
I wouldn't be so sure, the Ancients said that they were the spirits of the Nephalem, so you can suppose that Blizz were already planning to implement them in the story. Maybe the heroes are actually using a part of their Birthright without knowing it.
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And where do you get your dating? Especially for the tine between the Dark Exile and the events in Tristram?
There's a gap of a 1000 years between the Dark Exile and Tristram, that's a lot.
EDIT: I agree with what your saying about the classes and the Nephalic powers Atru, I just wonder what will happen when the power of the Nephalem and magic will be combined together O.o
How official is their timeline but? In Cain's journal, the years apparently go by 'Anna Kehjistani', which means something like 'After Khejistani'. So, what happened at Kehjistan that warrents for a refresher on the yearly records? According to d3fans.net, it is the Dark Exile that warranted for the change. If thats true, then why call it 'Kehjistani'? I suppose it could be because the Horadrim originated from Kehjistan.
I remember seeing a timeline here somewhere quite a while ago. It was just an estimate, but it was apparently from someone official on the Blizzard forums. If I couldl find it I could see if whoever wrote that also says that the Dark Exile happened in or around the year 0.
How official is their timeline but? In Cain's journal, the years apparently go by 'Anna Kehjistani', which means something like 'After Khejistani'. So, what happened at Kehjistan that warrents for a refresher on the yearly records? According to d3fans.net, it is the Dark Exile that warranted for the change. If thats true, then why call it 'Kehjistani'? I suppose it could be because the Horadrim originated from Kehjistan.
I remember seeing a timeline here somewhere quite a while ago. It was just an estimate, but it was apparently from someone official on the Blizzard forums. If I couldl find it I could see if whoever wrote that also says that the Dark Exile happened in or around the year 0.
Actually, the word Anna in "Anna Kehjistan" could just mean year (in most romance languages that's what it means). A.D. (contrary to popular belief) does not mean After Death, but rather it's Anno Domini, or year of our Lord if you translate it literally. It even translates to english with the term Annual. It could mean something similar to Kehjistani reckoning, or Kehjistani years. Kehjistan seems to be the most powerful central empire, possibly rivaled by Westmarch, where the mage clans are, and home to the center of Zakurum, so it makes sense that their calendar would be used.
The concept of the Nephalem isn't completely new. The stuff in the Sin War Trilogy does have roots in the Diablo games.
Ancients: "We are the spirits of the Nephalem, the Ancient Ones..."
Anya: "I believe that the Ancients were more than human -- that mankind has fallen from what it once was."
Also, I can support Veltras' dates. It says on the back of the Sin War books that it takes place "3000 years before the darkening of Tristram". And we know that the Dark Exile happened hundreds of years ago. I don't remember how we know, I just know that we know. But at the least, we know this:
Izual: "The plan we set in motion so long ago cannot be stopped by any mortal agency."
The Binding of the Three: "In the ancient days, before the rise of the Western Empires, the dark and terrible entities known as the Three Evils were exiled to the world of Man."
'So long ago' and 'ancient days' clearly means it didn't happen recently.
I believe that every class (except for the mages) get their power from their nephalic side. Mages are different because they call upon the power of magic. But for classes like the Druid, Barbarian and Necromancer, they are using nephalic powers.
The Sin War trilogy basically let us know that anything a human does that is more than a normal human should be able to do is regarded as their nephalic powers being used. The whole 'let humans grow to their potential' thing did happen 3000 years ago, so it indicates that all the clans and orders that have developed since then are honing their 'birthright' powers.
Mages are an exception because the nature of magic is different. They were able to cast spells even when the Worldstone was taking away their 'birthright'.
The Nature of Magic
Magic is an extremely powerful force, the manipulation of which is carefully studied, frequently learned, but is never fully mastered. Enchantments exude an aura that can be sensed by many, but years of training are required to properly exploit the Mana that pervades the world.
Some scholars use natural manifestations to explain the workings of the universe. In a common archetype, the physical world is linked to the sky while the ethereal realm of magic is set as an ocean. If we follow this line of thought, spells are much like turbulence that occurs where the two interact with each other. During the Sin War, Demon and Angel alike wrought powerful magicks that threatened to tear the fabric of reality apart. The physical and magical realms began to blur and merge, which, in our archetype, would be the equivalent of a fierce hurricane.
The forces of Order sought to preserve our reality by limiting the power of mortal man. As a consequence, only the strongest wills can harness more than the most basic of magical effects. Even then, much energy is lost in the transition of power between the two Realms. As a practitioner of the arcane rate grows more knowledgeable he is able to create these effects with greater efficiency, resulting in spells that are more potent, have more endurance and drain less Mana in their casting.
Im not sure i agree with the magic part. All throughout the novels those of the mage clans had little power in comparison to higher demons, angels and those with the nephalim powers. Yes Bartuc and Horazon definitely made a big impression, but most human's magic power was child's play in comparison.
And also, could it be that the barbarian bloodline is just incredibly strong. It might not necessarily be nephalim powers. If the barbarians are the sons of Bul Kathos then that lineage alone may be strong enough to defeat a prime evil considering how brutal BK was.
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And also, could it be that the barbarian bloodline is just incredibly strong. It might not necessarily be nephalim powers. If the barbarians are the sons of Bul Kathos then that lineage alone may be strong enough to defeat a prime evil considering how brutal BK was.
Is that so? Then how do you explain Barbarian skills like the Warcries
Here's the definition of the skill War Cry from bnet (confusing I know)
Summoning the ancient powers known to his people, a Barbarian warrior can call on his spirit animal and lash out at his enemies with a cry that halts them in their tracks-a powerful anguish rising to burn the depths of their being. It is this skill that gives rise to the legends of Barbarians being able to sap the life from a creature with a single word.
I don't know you, but to me it sounds a lot like the Nephalems' power
Is that so? Then how do you explain Barbarian skills like the Warcries
Here's the definition of the skill War Cry from bnet (confusing I know)
I don't know you, but to me it sounds a lot like the Nephalems' power
Thats just your opinion, to me those powers could be magic based. I know in Naruto there is all that stuff about Chakra, and thingy lets one open up his gateways to it to give him incredible dtrength.
So maybe the ancient powers of the barbs is to channel a magic in order to get a constant flow of adrenaline or to increase their strength.
To say it is Nephalim is only speculation we don't actually know.
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Too much speculation. None of which can be conclusively proven.
I would think the Prime Evil with the strongest essence would take control and the other two remain in the soulstones.
While they are brothers (in arms) I doubt either one of them would be willing to share a host with one or both of the others.
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Does anyone know in what way the Worldstone shields Sanctuary? Is it by hiding the location of Sanctuary or simply just preventing powerful beings like the Prime Evils and the Angiris Council from being in Sanctuary easily? If it's the first what would be the point of waiting until the Worldstone was destroyed to launch a mass invasion of Sanctuary, since both Heaven and Hell already know where it is? If it's the second, why were the angels and demons able to invade in the Sin War, and both Lucion and Lilith had no trouble staying in Sanctuary, same for the 3 Prime Evils before they were captured by the Horadrim?
I think the Worldstone did both hide Sanctuary and shield it from Demons and Angels. However the latters are still able to enter Sanctuary because the Worldstone isn't perfect and it has apparently lost some of its powers for mysterious reasons.
why did mephisto hate Inarius so much? what did he do to piss of the 3 prime evils so much that they would strike a deal with the angels so they could torture him? Sry if this was alrdy answered 40 pages is alot to read.
Im reading one of the books right now hoping to finish them all befor d3 comes out so i can spread my uber knowledge of the books like Elfen Lied does :P.
why did mephisto hate Inarius so much? what did he do to piss of the 3 prime evils so much that they would strike a deal with the angels so they could torture him? Sry if this was alrdy answered 40 pages is alot to read.
Well Inarius was with Lilith, wasn't that like Mephistos Daughter or something? I don't feel like checking right at this moment.
why did mephisto hate Inarius so much? what did he do to piss of the 3 prime evils so much that they would strike a deal with the angels so they could torture him? Sry if this was alrdy answered 40 pages is alot to read.
Im reading one of the books right now hoping to finish them all befor d3 comes out so i can spread my uber knowledge of the books like Elfen Lied does :P.
He hated Inarius for creating sanctuary which took both of his children. Theres probably more to it than that but i dont feel like reading the ending right now
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Inarius sent a group of minions to attack a temple dedicated to Mephisto. Mephisto took his revenge on Inarius and his followers. But I think the Sin War Trilogy overwrites this. That was the original reason.
But its still essentially the same. Inarius does something that Mephisto takes extreme issue with, and punishes him.
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Yeah, it was for revenge of Mephisto's children (Lilith and Lucion). Heh, why am I the only one who bothers with quotes?
Mephisto: "This world cost me my children, both who sought its survival. I would also have it grow for their sakes."
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Mephisto talking about taking Inarius as prisoner: "Him... let he whose crimes are already legion among you now be cast to me to pay for my loss - and the sealing of the truce, as it happens."
And I know, I really should go through this again and update the answers on the first post...
During Jehren's quest activation speech for the Arcane Sanctuary quest, he makes mention of the fact that Lut Gohlein now stands on what was once a Vizjerei Fortress.
Are there any other speeches or allusions to this. I would very much like to know the name of this fortress. Though that is probably unknown, however due to the fact that the Arcane Sanctuary is there as well it is fair to say the the Fortress is Horazon's, or at least that he was in charge there.
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Actually they did speak of it kind of indirectly if i recall correctly. Tyreal had the choice to choose and noted that what he saw in humans was good and it should be allowed to grow. Mephisto agreed. And also both agreed they had to make their OWN way in the universe and that their powers were revealed to them too early for them to understand. In result, they decided that all humans' memory of the incidents spilling over in sanctuary, including their powers. In time they would manifest themselves.
So I'm sure they altered the stone in order for the powers to remain dormant. Whether or not the powers of Diablo 2 are the powers of their "Birth Right" I do not know, but it can be speculated so. But to me, those powers would take a very long time to manifest themselves and Diablo 2 is barely any time past the Sin War because from my perspective, "The Dark Exile" and Diablo's takeover of Tristram all happened very quickly. But the Sin war itself lasted for a long time according to lore, but for how long we don't know. But in Demonsbane, or rather a description after Demonsbane brought to us by MD we say that Siggard fought for the forces of light for a very long time past a normal human's life because of his ability to escape death.
It was always my speculation though that Diablo 2 wasn't a display of that power for a few reasons. One being, it was prior to Knack's Sin War trilogy. This leads into the second point of why I think their powers did not manifest in Diablo 2. It would be much more likely that the creators of Diablo III would play off the story and use all the new lore provided by Knack. So in my opinion Diablo III is when we may see those powers finally again.
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First, the Sin War is the war between Angels and Demons to get the souls of humanity, it never ended and it's still going on.
Second, the events of Diablo2 happened about 3000 years after the Sin War trilogy, and there's several hundred years between The Dark Exile and the events of Tristram.
Third, it took Uldyssian only months for his power to fully manifest which almost destroyed Sanctuary and he is just a simple farmer Lol. Maybe D2 heroes aren't technically Nephalems, but they are at least imo the beginning of a new generation, and with the destruction of the Worldstone any humans will now be able to "unlock" their Birthright with just a little help... just a little.
um..you do know that he didn't manifest his powers himself right? Thats why they erased everyones memory because they were not ready for it. Lilith was the cause of all of that. And once again, Diablo 2 was before the concept of Nephalem, it was never intended for them to be using their birth right. And where do you get your dating? Especially for the tine between the Dark Exile and the events in Tristram?
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Ancients: "We are the spirits of the Nephalem, the Ancient Ones..."
Anya: "I believe that the Ancients were more than human -- that mankind has fallen from what it once was."
Also, I can support Veltras' dates. It says on the back of the Sin War books that it takes place "3000 years before the darkening of Tristram". And we know that the Dark Exile happened hundreds of years ago. I don't remember how we know, I just know that we know. But at the least, we know this:
Izual: "The plan we set in motion so long ago cannot be stopped by any mortal agency."
The Binding of the Three: "In the ancient days, before the rise of the Western Empires, the dark and terrible entities known as the Three Evils were exiled to the world of Man."
'So long ago' and 'ancient days' clearly means it didn't happen recently.
I believe that every class (except for the mages) get their power from their nephalic side. Mages are different because they call upon the power of magic. But for classes like the Druid, Barbarian and Necromancer, they are using nephalic powers.
The Sin War trilogy basically let us know that anything a human does that is more than a normal human should be able to do is regarded as their nephalic powers being used. The whole 'let humans grow to their potential' thing did happen 3000 years ago, so it indicates that all the clans and orders that have developed since then are honing their 'birthright' powers.
Mages are an exception because the nature of magic is different. They were able to cast spells even when the Worldstone was taking away their 'birthright'.
The Nature of Magic
Magic is an extremely powerful force, the manipulation of which is carefully studied, frequently learned, but is never fully mastered. Enchantments exude an aura that can be sensed by many, but years of training are required to properly exploit the Mana that pervades the world.
Some scholars use natural manifestations to explain the workings of the universe. In a common archetype, the physical world is linked to the sky while the ethereal realm of magic is set as an ocean. If we follow this line of thought, spells are much like turbulence that occurs where the two interact with each other. During the Sin War, Demon and Angel alike wrought powerful magicks that threatened to tear the fabric of reality apart. The physical and magical realms began to blur and merge, which, in our archetype, would be the equivalent of a fierce hurricane.
The forces of Order sought to preserve our reality by limiting the power of mortal man. As a consequence, only the strongest wills can harness more than the most basic of magical effects. Even then, much energy is lost in the transition of power between the two Realms. As a practitioner of the arcane rate grows more knowledgeable he is able to create these effects with greater efficiency, resulting in spells that are more potent, have more endurance and drain less Mana in their casting.
Yes, that's why I said that they needed a little help to have their true power manifest itself.
I wouldn't be so sure, the Ancients said that they were the spirits of the Nephalem, so you can suppose that Blizz were already planning to implement them in the story. Maybe the heroes are actually using a part of their Birthright without knowing it.
http://www.d3fans.net/html/timeline.html
There's a gap of a 1000 years between the Dark Exile and Tristram, that's a lot.
EDIT: I agree with what your saying about the classes and the Nephalic powers Atru, I just wonder what will happen when the power of the Nephalem and magic will be combined together O.o
I remember seeing a timeline here somewhere quite a while ago. It was just an estimate, but it was apparently from someone official on the Blizzard forums. If I couldl find it I could see if whoever wrote that also says that the Dark Exile happened in or around the year 0.
Actually, the word Anna in "Anna Kehjistan" could just mean year (in most romance languages that's what it means). A.D. (contrary to popular belief) does not mean After Death, but rather it's Anno Domini, or year of our Lord if you translate it literally. It even translates to english with the term Annual. It could mean something similar to Kehjistani reckoning, or Kehjistani years. Kehjistan seems to be the most powerful central empire, possibly rivaled by Westmarch, where the mage clans are, and home to the center of Zakurum, so it makes sense that their calendar would be used.
Im not sure i agree with the magic part. All throughout the novels those of the mage clans had little power in comparison to higher demons, angels and those with the nephalim powers. Yes Bartuc and Horazon definitely made a big impression, but most human's magic power was child's play in comparison.
And also, could it be that the barbarian bloodline is just incredibly strong. It might not necessarily be nephalim powers. If the barbarians are the sons of Bul Kathos then that lineage alone may be strong enough to defeat a prime evil considering how brutal BK was.
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Is that so? Then how do you explain Barbarian skills like the Warcries
Here's the definition of the skill War Cry from bnet (confusing I know)
I don't know you, but to me it sounds a lot like the Nephalems' power
Thats just your opinion, to me those powers could be magic based. I know in Naruto there is all that stuff about Chakra, and thingy lets one open up his gateways to it to give him incredible dtrength.
So maybe the ancient powers of the barbs is to channel a magic in order to get a constant flow of adrenaline or to increase their strength.
To say it is Nephalim is only speculation we don't actually know.
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I would think the Prime Evil with the strongest essence would take control and the other two remain in the soulstones.
While they are brothers (in arms) I doubt either one of them would be willing to share a host with one or both of the others.
Im reading one of the books right now hoping to finish them all befor d3 comes out so i can spread my uber knowledge of the books like Elfen Lied does :P.
Well Inarius was with Lilith, wasn't that like Mephistos Daughter or something? I don't feel like checking right at this moment.
He hated Inarius for creating sanctuary which took both of his children. Theres probably more to it than that but i dont feel like reading the ending right now
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
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By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
But its still essentially the same. Inarius does something that Mephisto takes extreme issue with, and punishes him.
Mephisto: "This world cost me my children, both who sought its survival. I would also have it grow for their sakes."
...
Mephisto talking about taking Inarius as prisoner: "Him... let he whose crimes are already legion among you now be cast to me to pay for my loss - and the sealing of the truce, as it happens."
And I know, I really should go through this again and update the answers on the first post...
Are there any other speeches or allusions to this. I would very much like to know the name of this fortress. Though that is probably unknown, however due to the fact that the Arcane Sanctuary is there as well it is fair to say the the Fortress is Horazon's, or at least that he was in charge there.