The problem is, you're trying to make the game harder, for people aren't as good as you. Let's punish the casuals by making their game harder, so i feel better.
The real problem is that doing torments 1+ isn't worth it.... That's the problem, My mum plays this game... She is only lvl 67 still, she plays on normal and takes her time, total stats... 114k dps and around 1.5m toughness. The game still feels hard for her so she hasn't attempted to boost the difficulty but YOU want her to be punished because of the way things scale and how poorly playing a harder difficulty rewards its players.
Before you bitch about me "enjoying" my free loot, i play in groups T4-6, bounties and rifts. I can only do 6 because I'm not tanking enough to survive on my own. So i go to 4 when I want to solo which is faceroll enough for me.
First off Finder if you're going to come out and say stuff like that at least back it up with an argument and not just say "its my way" or you will get tons of people questioning and coming at you with their opinions or views.
Yes I agree with Finder that normal to torment 6 needs to be fixed with some kind of bonus that actually seems worth it to go up in difficulty besides the challenge. No I do not agree that there needs to be a change in loot drops between them but instead they just need a bigger boost in drop rate or special gems that drop in higher tiers that do special things.
Finder, this is a dungeon crawler and one thing I noticed is it is still a video game, people play them as hobbies and time killers to have a little fun, if they want to play on normal that's their play style and it doesn't actually effect your gaming experience so don't take it personally when I say for you to go grow up and just play the game "your way" or quit and find something else, your opinion is yours and not everyone's.
I personally find that farming normal like all those "people" are doing is really slow and unrewarding and i don't want to lose out on set items so I play torment 1-6 depending on my gear. Majority of D3 players I've met and played with and know play it on T1 when they hit 70, get a few legendaries and then push it up and go all the way to t6 as they gear because they don't want a boring play and want the challenge.
If people "Cheese" Ladders when it comes out then you can come back and QQ about them killing "your gaming experience" but until then them playing normal and collection some legendaries because they like steamrolling and watching things go boom instantly is not effecting you or your experience so please just stfu and go away.
Ps. i actually find legendaries not as good as some yellows as is in game because you lose those trifecta for a lot of shit stats like rings and gloves and bracers and ammys. Like right now my source is hard to replace with any legendary source because they just have shit rolls.
Frankly at this point, OP is either trolling or needs to seek some kind of professional help if (s)he gets this worked up over a video game where other peoples actions have no impact on their own.
One of the fundamental axioms of RPG gaming has always been risk vs. reward. Just because the current generation got a trophy for just showing up doesn't change that.
If mocking the self esteem generation is me trying to be superior, well, I guess I am.
This has nothing to do with self esteem. You're using that as the scapegoat here to try and support your need to feel superior by making people play the game the way you think it should be played. One of the axioms of current video games is that people can play the game the way they want to. Telling people they're playing the game wrong in this case is not only ignorant but telling that you have some sort of superiority complex.
You can really stop trying to play internet psychologist. I know Blizzard never intended for people who far outgear it to farm normal and you know that Blizzard never intended. And yes, it is the self entitled generation who thinks they deserve the best no matter the level of effort put into obtaining it. I don't care how uncomfortable pointing that out makes you.
The main point at hand is this. Why do YOU care what OTHER people do in THIS game? It DOES NOT AFFECT YOU AT ALL. Why are you missing that point? Why do you feel that you are entitled to decide what other people do and don't do? Who cares if they out gear it, whatever they are doing is satisfying to them either while they do it or from the outcome. Who are you to want to take that away from them? Get off your fucking high horse and shut the fuck up and go play the game. Idiot.
One of the fundamental axioms of RPG gaming has always been risk vs. reward. Just because the current generation got a trophy for just showing up doesn't change that.
If mocking the self esteem generation is me trying to be superior, well, I guess I am.
This has nothing to do with self esteem. You're using that as the scapegoat here to try and support your need to feel superior by making people play the game the way you think it should be played. One of the axioms of current video games is that people can play the game the way they want to. Telling people they're playing the game wrong in this case is not only ignorant but telling that you have some sort of superiority complex.
You can really stop trying to play internet psychologist. I know Blizzard never intended for people who far outgear it to farm normal and you know that Blizzard never intended. And yes, it is the self entitled generation who thinks they deserve the best no matter the level of effort put into obtaining it. I don't care how uncomfortable pointing that out makes you.
If Blizzard never intended it they would have done something to prevent it - like they do with other forms of the game they don't intend for players to take advantage of (CotA runs being the latest example). Why would they care if people want to breeze through normal modes with gear that could get them through Torment I easily? They don't.
You've got this built up angst against people who don't exist. People who do normal modes aren't expecting to get the best gear and do normal modes because they choose to do it. I'm not uncomfortable talking about it at all, and you need to realize that your reasoning is not sound in any form. Why do you feel the need to belittle and criticize how some people may choose to play the game? That's the real problem here, not people playing normal mode when they could do higher difficulties. You are the problem.
There are incentives to run higher difficulties (Torment-only legendary items being the most compelling in my opinion), but they could probably use a buff if people still feel cheesing Normal is the best way to do it. Perhaps something to the effect of slightly different stat ranges for items dropped based on what difficulty they were dropped at?
The game is already very rewarding on high torments. If they boost it even further, the people who run around farming chests and manglemaw will benefit even more so that's not really an option.
The only thing they can boost is the rift guardians loot drops. It already gives you more blood shards on higher torments and technically a higher chance for FS and legendaries. But that can be further boosted imo. Maybe the only thing that is abuse-proof... Well unless some crazy geared dude clears a whole t6 rift and invites 3 noobs for the kill and they get all the loot i guess... Not sure if that works, probably yes.
And OP, stop saying "wow all the people here are ..." Because you are just trash talking at this point. People are bringing up valid points here.
I've never seen someone so buttravaged over the fact that other people are having fun. You must be a blast at parties, Do you complain when people dance incorrectly to music? Flirt improperly? Eat "wrong"?
Grow up kiddo, I know puberty can be a tough time, but your voice will stop cracking and the acne will fade eventually.
Wow...it's amazing how upset and vicious people get when someone suggest that maybe their free shit should be taken away.
You all sound just like the worst type of stereotypical welfare queens.
So if you're going to play on a difficulty that provides no challenge or danger to you...why do you need legendaries at all?
Wanna know why? because most of you are going to prance around in public games with that gear and act like you did something to earn it.
There are kids who are in highschool who get there mom and dads to buy them a Mustang V8 who didn't put a single penny towards it.
Whats you're point about people running around with shit that people didn't deserve?
Look man I understand how you feel, but you make the people who do play Torment + only for risk vs reward look BAD.
You are trying to tell us that Blizzard shouldn't reward certain people because they might not have the gear or time maybe even the patience to play higher difficultly.
I hated COTA runs, I hated Mira runs, I hated the runs that were so simple that people got more xp possibly more legendaries....guess what....I realized I have no reason to even CARE.
Maybe you should too...it does nothing to you.
Did nothing to me but make me realize I was being a idiot for no reason...just because I felt like it was right...me....not everyone..just me..
Meh, Torment has it's own set of legendaries, not to mention the incredible legendary potions.
I'm content knowing I can get unique/better legendaries in torment. If someone wants to farm their brains out on normal and fall asleep, they're free to do so, makes no diff to me.
Whenever I see someone use the word "Kiddies" or "noob/nub" in their argument, I immediately assume that person is an elitist moron.
That said, the only thing I would really change for the difficulties is to make it harder to reach T6, I honestly think this progression should take months and I worry about the longevity of the game when people are farming T6 first week. I don't care how people play, I don't even care if you bot all day and fill your bag with the best gear possible because it doesn't affect me, I just want the game to succeed and be popular for years because I love Diablo.
I've never seen someone so buttravaged over the fact that other people are having fun. You must be a blast at parties, Do you complain when people dance incorrectly to music? Flirt improperly? Eat "wrong"?
I could not stop laughing at this part. Thanks for a good laugh during lunch.
OT: I could see the OP's argument if everything wasn't account bound. But with everything being BOA I don't see how someone else's progression bothers someone so much.
People are arguing over pixelated, non-existant items. Why? In X amount of years, when Blizzard shuts the servers off, you won't have them anymore. So what's the real issue here? Must be a mentality thing.
They don't need to buff torment, just make the game check your dps and tougness frequently when you are playing, if it is greater than X amount for the difficulty you are playing on drops and xp are severely limited. Anyway, I still laugh at all the welfare queens trying to protect their gubmint check....err normal legendaries. It's sad watching you trying to call it a legitimate playstyle.
They don't need to buff torment, just make the game check your dps and tougness frequently when you are playing, if it is greater than X amount for the difficulty you are playing on drops and xp are severely limited. Anyway, I still laugh at all the welfare queens trying to protect their gubmint check....err normal legendaries. It's sad watching you trying to call it a legitimate playstyle.
By all means, keep playing your way kiddo, it seems like so much fun that you're on here complaining about other people's play style...
You know why? Jealousy. Enjoy your no legendary farming while I make it rain orange and think of you and your delicious tears.
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The real problem is that doing torments 1+ isn't worth it.... That's the problem, My mum plays this game... She is only lvl 67 still, she plays on normal and takes her time, total stats... 114k dps and around 1.5m toughness. The game still feels hard for her so she hasn't attempted to boost the difficulty but YOU want her to be punished because of the way things scale and how poorly playing a harder difficulty rewards its players.
Before you bitch about me "enjoying" my free loot, i play in groups T4-6, bounties and rifts. I can only do 6 because I'm not tanking enough to survive on my own. So i go to 4 when I want to solo which is faceroll enough for me.
Yes I agree with Finder that normal to torment 6 needs to be fixed with some kind of bonus that actually seems worth it to go up in difficulty besides the challenge. No I do not agree that there needs to be a change in loot drops between them but instead they just need a bigger boost in drop rate or special gems that drop in higher tiers that do special things.
Finder, this is a dungeon crawler and one thing I noticed is it is still a video game, people play them as hobbies and time killers to have a little fun, if they want to play on normal that's their play style and it doesn't actually effect your gaming experience so don't take it personally when I say for you to go grow up and just play the game "your way" or quit and find something else, your opinion is yours and not everyone's.
I personally find that farming normal like all those "people" are doing is really slow and unrewarding and i don't want to lose out on set items so I play torment 1-6 depending on my gear. Majority of D3 players I've met and played with and know play it on T1 when they hit 70, get a few legendaries and then push it up and go all the way to t6 as they gear because they don't want a boring play and want the challenge.
If people "Cheese" Ladders when it comes out then you can come back and QQ about them killing "your gaming experience" but until then them playing normal and collection some legendaries because they like steamrolling and watching things go boom instantly is not effecting you or your experience so please just stfu and go away.
before you try and accuse me of not playing t1 or higher you can even check my gear http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Zalestus-1625/hero/3408691
Ps. i actually find legendaries not as good as some yellows as is in game because you lose those trifecta for a lot of shit stats like rings and gloves and bracers and ammys. Like right now my source is hard to replace with any legendary source because they just have shit rolls.
You've got this built up angst against people who don't exist. People who do normal modes aren't expecting to get the best gear and do normal modes because they choose to do it. I'm not uncomfortable talking about it at all, and you need to realize that your reasoning is not sound in any form. Why do you feel the need to belittle and criticize how some people may choose to play the game? That's the real problem here, not people playing normal mode when they could do higher difficulties. You are the problem.
The only thing they can boost is the rift guardians loot drops. It already gives you more blood shards on higher torments and technically a higher chance for FS and legendaries. But that can be further boosted imo. Maybe the only thing that is abuse-proof... Well unless some crazy geared dude clears a whole t6 rift and invites 3 noobs for the kill and they get all the loot i guess... Not sure if that works, probably yes.
And OP, stop saying "wow all the people here are ..." Because you are just trash talking at this point. People are bringing up valid points here.
Grow up kiddo, I know puberty can be a tough time, but your voice will stop cracking and the acne will fade eventually.
Whats you're point about people running around with shit that people didn't deserve?
Look man I understand how you feel, but you make the people who do play Torment + only for risk vs reward look BAD.
You are trying to tell us that Blizzard shouldn't reward certain people because they might not have the gear or time maybe even the patience to play higher difficultly.
I hated COTA runs, I hated Mira runs, I hated the runs that were so simple that people got more xp possibly more legendaries....guess what....I realized I have no reason to even CARE.
Maybe you should too...it does nothing to you.
Did nothing to me but make me realize I was being a idiot for no reason...just because I felt like it was right...me....not everyone..just me..
I'm content knowing I can get unique/better legendaries in torment. If someone wants to farm their brains out on normal and fall asleep, they're free to do so, makes no diff to me.
That said, the only thing I would really change for the difficulties is to make it harder to reach T6, I honestly think this progression should take months and I worry about the longevity of the game when people are farming T6 first week. I don't care how people play, I don't even care if you bot all day and fill your bag with the best gear possible because it doesn't affect me, I just want the game to succeed and be popular for years because I love Diablo.
OT: I could see the OP's argument if everything wasn't account bound. But with everything being BOA I don't see how someone else's progression bothers someone so much.
Don't get me wrong, my main can do T2-T3.
But my newly leveled alts can't, so staying in normal while getting gear for torments feels good.
You know why? Jealousy. Enjoy your no legendary farming while I make it rain orange and think of you and your delicious tears.